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It was great putting faces to names. But you forgot about Susan’s painted toenails ;op——

Susan did take a picture of her toenails, I’m sure she’ll post it when she goes back home. — Victor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)

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I picked up Susan at the airport yesterday afternoon. We had a great time together. She is a lovely person and we really enjoyed her company. The cats loved her as well. She brought toys for the kids, wine for us, a cookbook for me and a picture book for Tom. We had a great dinner at our favorite indian restaurant and we spent most of the day today just lounging with the cats. We got to show her around a little bit and I just came back from dropping her off at the retreat center where her yoga workshop will take place. I’m sure she’ll have a great time, the place is beautiful and the weather couldn’t be better. We’re in full spring mode here in Austin, trees are leafing out and blooming and the temperatures are just perfect. Susan took more pictures than I did, so I’m sure she’ll have more to share when she goes back home. In the meantime, here’s a couple:

http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/catslaves/vwp?.dir=/Hoomin+Pictu… met!&.src=gr&.dnm=Susan+and+Victor+-+March+2004.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a// p hotos.groups.yahoo.com/group/catslaves/lst%3f%26.dir=/Hoomin%2bPictures/We% 2 bmet!%26.src=gr%26.view=t or http://tinyurl.com/2p4vk or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/catslaves/ and then click on Photos, then Hoomins, then We met. There are two pictures, be sure to see both. I also took video of Susan playing with Issa, Fez, and Rufous. It’s a 50 MB avi file. Does anybody know how to convert it to a more manageable size?

Great photos, loved the one with Basho on Susan’s shoulders. And Victor, you never told us how good looking you were… Tom is one lucky guy. Hubba Hubba. Yowie (I think you & Joel look alot alike)

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And Victor, you never told us how good looking you were… Tom is one lucky guy. Hubba Hubba.

*blush*  Thanks…. I think both Tom and my mom agree with you on that one… — Victor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)

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Lovely photo’s Victor, great to know that you all had a good time together. Lois

I picked up Susan at the airport yesterday afternoon. We had a great time together. She is a lovely person and we really enjoyed her company. The cats loved her as well. She brought toys for the kids, wine for us, a cookbook for me and a picture book for Tom. We had a great dinner at our favorite indian restaurant and we spent most of the day today just lounging with the cats. We got to show her around a little bit and I just came back from dropping her off at the retreat center where her yoga workshop will take place. I’m sure she’ll have a great time, the place is beautiful and the weather couldn’t be better. We’re in full spring mode here in Austin, trees are leafing out and blooming and the temperatures are just perfect. Susan took more pictures than I did, so I’m sure she’ll have more to share when she goes back home. In the meantime, here’s a couple:

http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/catslaves/vwp?.dir=/Hoomin+Pictu… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – or http://tinyurl.com/2p4vk or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/catslaves/ and then click on Photos, then Hoomins, then We met. There are two pictures, be sure to see both. I also took video of Susan playing with Issa, Fez, and Rufous. It’s a 50 MB avi file. Does anybody know how to convert it to a more manageable size? — Victor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)

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I picked up Susan at the airport yesterday afternoon. We had a great time together. She is a lovely person and we really enjoyed her company. The cats loved her as well. She brought toys for the kids, wine for us, a cookbook for me and a picture book for Tom. We had a great dinner at our favorite indian restaurant and we spent most of the day today just lounging with the cats. We got to show her around a little bit and I just came back from dropping her off at the retreat center where her yoga workshop will take place. I’m sure she’ll have a great time, the place is beautiful and the weather couldn’t be better. We’re in full spring mode here in Austin, trees are leafing out and blooming and the temperatures are just perfect. Susan took more pictures than I did, so I’m sure she’ll have more to share when she goes back home. In the meantime, here’s a couple:

LOL! Basho seems to have taken to Susan! And I wish that sun would hurry up and come over here, too. You look like you had a wonderful time together. I can’t advise about the video, but hope you manage to make it smaller, so we can see Susan playing with the cats! — Marina, Frank and Nikki Email marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/frankiennikki

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I picked up Susan at the airport yesterday afternoon. We had a great time together. She is a lovely person and we really enjoyed her company. The cats loved her as well. She brought toys for the kids, wine for us, a cookbook for me and a picture book for Tom. We had a great dinner at our favorite indian restaurant and we spent most of the day today just lounging with the cats. We got to show her around a little bit and I just came back from dropping her off at the retreat center where her yoga workshop will take place. I’m sure she’ll have a great time, the place is beautiful and the weather couldn’t be better. We’re in full spring mode here in Austin, trees are leafing out and blooming and the temperatures are just perfect. Susan took more pictures than I did, so I’m sure she’ll have more to share when she goes back home. In the meantime, here’s a couple: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/catslaves/vwp?.dir=/Hoomin+Pictu… or http://tinyurl.com/2p4vk or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/catslaves/ and then click on Photos, then Hoomins, then We met. There are two pictures, be sure to see both. I also took video of Susan playing with Issa, Fez, and Rufous. It’s a 50 MB avi file. Does anybody know how to convert it to a more manageable size?

It looks like a good time was had by all, maybe especially Basho.  I have no idea what to do with the video file, but can’t wait to see it.  :-D —— Krista

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I picked up Susan at the airport yesterday afternoon. We had a great time together. She is a lovely person and we really enjoyed her company. The cats loved her as well. She brought toys for the kids, wine for us, a cookbook for me and a picture book for Tom. We had a great dinner at our favorite indian restaurant and we spent most of the day today just lounging with the cats. We got to show her around a little bit and I just came back from dropping her off at the retreat center where her yoga workshop will take place. I’m sure she’ll have a great time, the place is beautiful and the weather couldn’t be better. We’re in full spring mode here in Austin, trees are leafing out and blooming and the temperatures are just perfect. Susan took more pictures than I did, so I’m sure she’ll have more to share when she goes back home. In the meantime, here’s a couple:

You all look great!  You can tell that Susan had a great time together with Basho as well as with you.  Thanks for posting the pictures you have and I hope that you’ll post more pictures of the visit soon. Pam S. jealous

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<snipped and then click on Photos, then Hoomins, then We met. There are two pictures, be sure to see both. I also took video of Susan playing with Issa, Fez, and Rufous. It’s a 50 MB avi file. Does anybody know how to convert it to a more manageable size? — Victor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)

Victor, do you still have access to UT’s network?  If so, perhaps a friend there could put the .avi up on a publicly-accessible server for us to ftp from. Sam

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I picked up Susan at the airport yesterday afternoon. We had a great time together. She is a lovely person and we really enjoyed her company. The cats loved her as well. She brought toys for the kids, wine for us, a cookbook for me and a picture book for Tom. We had a great dinner at our favorite indian restaurant and we spent most of the day today just lounging with the cats. We got to show her around a little bit and I just came back from dropping her off at the retreat center where her yoga workshop will take place. I’m sure she’ll have a great time, the place is beautiful and the weather couldn’t be better. We’re in full spring mode here in Austin, trees are leafing out and blooming and the temperatures are just perfect. Susan took more pictures than I did, so I’m sure she’ll have more to share when she goes back home. In the meantime, here’s a couple: You all look great!  You can tell that Susan had a great time together with Basho as well as with you.  Thanks for posting the pictures you have and I hope that you’ll post more pictures of the visit soon. Pam S. jealous

It was great putting faces to names. But you forgot about Susan’s painted toenails ;op—— Suz  Macmoosette Thank Heavens There’s Only One =^..^=   =^..^=   =^..^=   =^..^=  =^..^=  =^..^= I’ve learned to not sweat the petty things, and not pet the sweaty things.

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I picked up Susan at the airport yesterday afternoon. We had a great time together. She is a lovely person and we really enjoyed her company. The cats loved her as well. She brought toys for the kids, wine for us, a cookbook for me and a picture book for Tom. We had a great dinner at our favorite indian restaurant and we spent most of the day today just lounging with the cats. We got to show her around a little bit and I just came back from dropping her off at the retreat center where her yoga workshop will take place. I’m sure she’ll have a great time, the place is beautiful and the weather couldn’t be better. We’re in full spring mode here in Austin, trees are leafing out and blooming and the temperatures are just perfect. Susan took more pictures than I did, so I’m sure she’ll have more to share when she goes back home. In the meantime, here’s a couple: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/catslaves/vwp?.dir=/Hoomin+Pictu… or http://tinyurl.com/2p4vk or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/catslaves/ and then click on Photos, then Hoomins, then We met. There are two pictures, be sure to see both. I also took video of Susan playing with Issa, Fez, and Rufous. It’s a 50 MB avi file. Does anybody know how to convert it to a more manageable size? — Victor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)

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Oh how fun.  Basho reaaally likes her Karen

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That sounds wonderful, Victor.  Thanks for posting the pictures too, it’s always great to see pics of catslave meetings — Britta Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album

I picked up Susan at the airport yesterday afternoon. We had a great time together. She is a lovely person and we really enjoyed her company. The cats loved her as well. She brought toys for the kids, wine for us, a cookbook for me and a picture book for Tom. We had a great dinner at our favorite indian restaurant and we spent most of the day today just lounging with the cats. We got to show her around a little bit and I just came back from dropping her off at the retreat center where her yoga workshop will take place. I’m sure she’ll have a great time, the place is beautiful and the weather couldn’t be better. We’re in full spring mode here in Austin, trees are leafing out and blooming and the temperatures are just perfect. Susan took more pictures than I did, so I’m sure she’ll have more to share when she goes back home. In the meantime, here’s a couple:

http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/catslaves/vwp?.dir=/Hoomin+Pictu… met!&.src=gr&.dnm=Susan+and+Victor+-+March+2004.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a// p hotos.groups.yahoo.com/group/catslaves/lst%3f%26.dir=/Hoomin%2bPictures/We% 2 bmet!%26.src=gr%26.view=t – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – or http://tinyurl.com/2p4vk or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/catslaves/ and then click on Photos, then Hoomins, then We met. There are two pictures, be sure to see both. I also took video of Susan playing with Issa, Fez, and Rufous. It’s a 50 MB avi file. Does anybody know how to convert it to a more manageable size? — Victor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)

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Lovely pix, Victor. Thank you for sharing them with us. Flippy.

I picked up Susan at the airport yesterday afternoon. We had a great time together. She is a lovely person and we really enjoyed her company. The cats loved her as well. She brought toys for the kids, wine for us, a cookbook for me and a picture book for Tom. We had a great dinner at our favorite indian restaurant and we spent most of the day today just lounging with the cats. We got to show her around a little bit and I just came back from dropping her off at the retreat center where her yoga workshop will take place. I’m sure she’ll have a great time, the place is beautiful and the weather couldn’t be better. We’re in full spring mode here in Austin, trees are leafing out and blooming and the temperatures are just perfect. Susan took more pictures than I did, so I’m sure she’ll have more to share when she goes back home. In the meantime, here’s a couple:

http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/catslaves/vwp?.dir=/Hoomin+Pictu… or http://tinyurl.com/2p4vk or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/catslaves/ and then click on Photos, then Hoomins, then We met. There are two pictures, be sure to see both. I also took video of Susan playing with Issa, Fez, and Rufous. It’s a 50 MB avi file. Does anybody know how to convert it to a more manageable size? — Victor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)

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Going to the southeast US for a week of vacation.  Hugs and Purrs to those in need while I’m gone.

I hope you’ll have a wonderful time, Sam. — Marina, Frank and Nikki Email marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/frankiennikki

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Have a nice time — will look forward to hearing how it went. Christine

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Have a great trip! Best wishes, — Polonca & Soncek

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Going to the southeast US for a week of vacation.  Hugs and Purrs to those in need while I’m gone. Sam

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Have fun!!

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Going to the southeast US for a week of vacation.  Hugs and Purrs to those in need while I’m gone. Sam

Have fun!  No doubt you will, just knowing that you are in closer proximity to Mike.  :-P —— Krista Who knows you’re not coming here to south GA

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My best wishes to all who need them over the next week since I won’t be on the ng. Me and my painted toenails are heading to the yoga workshop in Austin, where I will see Victor and Tom et al tomorrow. I’m a little misty leaving the kids and kitties, though I suspect they will all manage without me. Susan M Otis and Chester

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My best wishes to all who need them over the next week since I won’t be on the ng. Me and my painted toenails are heading to the yoga workshop in Austin, where I will see Victor and Tom et al tomorrow. I’m a little misty leaving the kids and kitties, though I suspect they will all manage without me.

Have a nice trip, Susan! Lucky you, to meet Victor and Tom and their pride. Remember, we will want jpegs! — Marina, Frank and Nikki Email marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/frankiennikki

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Have a nice trip, Susan! Lucky you, to meet Victor and Tom and their pride. Remember, we will want jpegs!

I promise to have jpegs on the website as soon as possible. — Victor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)

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Have a great time, Susan! Don’t forget to take pics of you meeting Victor and Tom. Best wishes, — Polonca & Soncek – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My best wishes to all who need them over the next week since I won’t be on the ng. Me and my painted toenails are heading to the yoga workshop in Austin, where I will see Victor and Tom et al tomorrow. I’m a little misty leaving the kids and kitties, though I suspect they will all manage without me. Susan M Otis and Chester

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Have a nice trip, Susan! Lucky you, to meet Victor and Tom and their pride. Remember, we will want jpegs! I promise to have jpegs on the website as soon as possible.

Including the toenails? ;o) Suz  Macmoosette Thank Heavens There’s Only One =^..^=   =^..^=   =^..^=   =^..^=  =^..^=  =^..^= I’ve learned to not sweat the petty things, and not pet the sweaty things.

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c…@holyrood.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) wrote in news:c0ved0$bd7$1@scotsman.ed.ac.uk:

We had the whole place to ourselves except for another party of lissom ladies of a certain age at a Yoga workshop.

You were a party of lissom ladies?

What a wonderful opportunity for stress reduction, we thought! They didn’t speak English, and to begin were gracious and welcoming of our introductions in hesitant poor French. But when we explained that we were computer scientists (the best approximation my French could run to) they backed off in horror as though we had admitted to a contagious disease.

Well, yes, but it was probably you scruffy hairy men referring to yourselves as lissom ladies that did the trick.   Chakolate — The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.   –Dorothy Nevill

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"Chris Malcolm" <c…@holyrood.ed.ac.uk

wrote [My aging brain is reaching unsucessfully for the word which describes the kind of overweening pride and ambition which trespasses into realms reserved to the gods. Anyone?]

Hubris? — Jette "Work for Peace and remain Fiercely Loving" – Jim Byrnes je…@blueyonder.co.uk http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

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Chris Malcolm <c…@holyrood.ed.ac.uk

quoth: [My aging brain is reaching unsucessfully for the word which describes the kind of overweening pride and ambition which trespasses into realms reserved to the gods. Anyone?]

Hubris? Priscilla

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Magda <frogge…@hotmail.com

quoth: On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 06:55:44 -0700, in alt.support.menopause, CG <cathS_PAMF_REEgiesbre…@yahoo.com arranged some electrons, so they looked like this : … [My aging brain is reaching unsucessfully for the word which describes ... the kind of overweening pride and ambition which trespasses into realms ... reserved to the gods. Anyone?] … … Hubris? In modern Greek hubris means insult; oath, term of abuse. Hubrizo (the verb) means "swear".

In English it means "overweening pride," and it is an essential component of a traditional tragedy.  The hero traditionally falls because of his hubris. Priscilla, former English major

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c…@holyrood.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) wrote in news:c11pmt$hsc$1@scotsman.ed.ac.uk:

[My aging brain is reaching unsucessfully for the word which describes the kind of overweening pride and ambition which trespasses into realms reserved to the gods. Anyone?]

Hubris? Chak — The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.   –Dorothy Nevill

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From: Priscilla H Ballou Priscilla, former English major

Moi aussi. Sharon……..Don’t think of it as getting hot flashes. Think of it as your inner child playing with matches.

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Priscilla H Ballou <p…@shell01.TheWorld.com writes: Magda <frogge…@hotmail.com quoth: On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 06:55:44 -0700, in alt.support.menopause, CG <cathS_PAMF_REEgiesbre…@yahoo.com arranged some electrons, so they looked like this : … [My aging brain is reaching unsucessfully for the word which describes ... the kind of overweening pride and ambition which trespasses into realms ... reserved to the gods. Anyone?] … … Hubris? In modern Greek hubris means insult; oath, term of abuse. Hubrizo (the verb) means "swear". In English it means "overweening pride," and it is an essential component of a traditional tragedy.  The hero traditionally falls because of his hubris. It was so frustrating. I knew all that, but the word had gone.

Oh, I knew you knew everything but had lost grip on the word temporarily.

I guess the random buckshot of aging had taken out that brain cell, or rather its usual retrieval link.

Happens to me all the time.  What’s funny is that sometimes I’ll retrieve the word next to it, as it were, or bring back a word which is a conflation of two words which are related to the word I’m searching for, if not synonyms.  It’s a known side-effect of the antidepressant I’m on, plus this aging business takes its toll.  I do regain access to the word eventually, though, so I know it’s nothing for me to worry about.

Priscilla, former English major Former? Surely aging doesn’t remove that too ?-)

Well, there’s a bit of me that will always be an English major, but I don’t generally identify that way anymore.  It’s been — gosh! — 30 years!  Plus I wasn’t a very *good* English major.  I chose that major because I figured it would be the easiest for me.   Priscilla

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From: Priscilla Ballou Well, there’s a bit of me that will always be an English major, but I don’t generally identify that way anymore.  It’s been — gosh! — 30 years!  Plus I wasn’t a very *good* English major.  I chose that major because I figured it would be the easiest for me.  

Same here. Plus we loved to read. I switched from journalism. Sharon……..Don’t think of it as getting hot flashes. Think of it as your inner child playing with matches.

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Subject: Re: OT: I have arrived in Norman From: Priscilla Ballou vze23…@verizon.net Date: 2/17/04 5:41 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <vze23t8n-010127.20430817022…@news.verizon.net Sounds like it.  How’s the food?

Superb. NOT your typical Post Office cafeteria, but a well done effort by Marriott Hotels. Reply to harryandruschak AT aol DOT com Honorary Menobabe with golden toenails Abject, humble Cat Harem eunuch slave to ^..^ Conway, Czarina, Max, and Hestia (formerly Molly) ^..^ "Because Nice Matters"

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Chris Malcolm wrote:

CG <catherineS_PAMF_REEgiesbre…@yahoo.com writes: Where did you find a Yoga class?  None of the conferences and seminars I attend ever offer anything to reduce stress. I once went to a robotics workshop in a converted ex-nunnery high in the mountains behind Grenoble in the South of France. We had the whole place to ourselves except for another party of lissom ladies of a certain age at a Yoga workshop. What a wonderful opportunity for stress reduction, we thought! They didn’t speak English, and to begin were gracious and welcoming of our introductions in hesitant poor French. But when we explained that we were computer scientists (the best approximation my French could run to) they backed off in horror as though we had admitted to a contagious disease.

Maybe they were afraid of catching it because they didn’t have any antibiotics with them? Or perhaps your French was even worse than you thought, and they thought you were proudly introducing yourselves as ex-con sex offenders.  :-P FurPaw — Brain cells come and brain cells go, but fat cells live forever. To reply, unleash the dog.

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Magda <frogge…@hotmail.com

quoth: On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:01:32 +0000 (UTC), in alt.support.menopause, c…@holyrood.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) arranged some electrons, so they looked like this : … "Informaticien" … … Is that like something if mispronounced? Not at all. I’m baffled.

The lines from the beginning of The Prisoner just echoed in my head: "What do you want?"  "Information!" Priscilla

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catharemeun…@aol.comfyChair (Eu. Harry Andruschak) wrote in message <news:20040217214425.21837.00002196@mb-m14.aol.com

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Subject: Re: OT: I have arrived in Norman From: Priscilla Ballou vze23…@verizon.net Date: 2/17/04 5:41 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <vze23t8n-010127.20430817022…@news.verizon.net Sounds like it.  How’s the food? Superb. NOT your typical Post Office cafeteria, but a well done effort by Marriott Hotels. Reply to harryandruschak AT aol DOT com Honorary Menobabe with golden toenails Abject, humble Cat Harem eunuch slave to ^..^ Conway, Czarina, Max, and Hestia (formerly Molly) ^..^ "Because Nice Matters"

<—-CSL I thought you might like this link to help you get accustomed to things there. http://www.normantranscript.com/story.php?story_id=5868&c=5 I’m from that area and I would be happy to help you with any difficulties in getting around or advice on restaurants or surgeons or anything like that.

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Yaaaaayyyyyy!!!!!!!! Priscilla

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Subject: Re: OT: I have arrived in Norman From: CG catherineS_PAMF_REEgiesbre…@yahoo.com Date: 2/17/04 10:23 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <11n430h90ckhtp9e4lud9m3m3l52744…@4ax.com Lovely! Where did you find a Yoga class?  None of the conferences and seminars I attend ever offer anything to reduce stress.

It is part of the physical fitness program for students attending classes here in Norman. They also have a gym, swimming pool, outside and inside tracks, and various one hour classes from vigorous aerobics to mild yoga and stretching. I am doing the three times a week yoga and stretching, and vigorous walking the other days. Reply to harryandruschak AT aol DOT com Honorary Menobabe with golden toenails Abject, humble Cat Harem eunuch slave to ^..^ Conway, Czarina, Max, and Hestia (formerly Molly) ^..^ "Because Nice Matters"

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catharemeun…@aol.comfyChair (Eu. Harry Andruschak) wrote in news:20040217192025.21885.00002205@mb-m14.aol.com:

It is part of the physical fitness program for students attending classes here in Norman. They also have a gym, swimming pool, outside and inside tracks, and various one hour classes from vigorous aerobics to mild yoga and stretching. I am doing the three times a week yoga and stretching, and vigorous walking the other days.

Hmm – sounds like if the cats were there, it wouldn’t be a bad place at all.   Chakolate — The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.   –Dorothy Nevill

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Subject: Re: OT: I have arrived in Norman From: CG catherineS_PAMF_REEgiesbre…@yahoo.com Date: 2/17/04 5:09 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <aoe530tt06re5ce24i4qril3alr1nne…@4ax.com That sounds terribly enlightened and civilized on the part of whomever sponsors these classes — I take it that is the USPS?  

Yes and no. The USPS built the hotel for the students, but Marriott has the contract to run it, and they are doing a superb job. Reply to harryandruschak AT aol DOT com Honorary Menobabe with golden toenails Abject, humble Cat Harem eunuch slave to ^..^ Conway, Czarina, Max, and Hestia (formerly Molly) ^..^ "Because Nice Matters"

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 catharemeun…@aol.comfyChair (Eu. Harry Andruschak) wrote:

Subject: Re: OT: I have arrived in Norman From: CG catherineS_PAMF_REEgiesbre…@yahoo.com Date: 2/17/04 5:09 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <aoe530tt06re5ce24i4qril3alr1nne…@4ax.com That sounds terribly enlightened and civilized on the part of whomever sponsors these classes — I take it that is the USPS?   Yes and no. The USPS built the hotel for the students, but Marriott has the contract to run it, and they are doing a superb job.

Sounds like it.  How’s the food? Priscilla

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In article <20040217202955.22756.00001…@mb-m18.aol.com,  catharemeun…@aol.comfyChair (Eu. Harry Andruschak) wrote: Subject: Re: OT: I have arrived in Norman From: CG catherineS_PAMF_REEgiesbre…@yahoo.com Date: 2/17/04 5:09 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <aoe530tt06re5ce24i4qril3alr1nne…@4ax.com That sounds terribly enlightened and civilized on the part of whomever sponsors these classes — I take it that is the USPS? Yes and no. The USPS built the hotel for the students, but Marriott has

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contract to run it, and they are doing a superb job. Sounds like it.  How’s the food?

That’s what I was wondering.  I went to an education conference a couple of years ago, & figured the hotel food would be very ho-hum.  Instead of which it was absolutely *delicious*! Cathy — "Staccato signals of constant information…" ("The Boy in the Bubble")  Paul Simon

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From: Harry Up at 4 AM Pacific time for breakfast, quality time with the cats, and scooping out their litter boxes. Picked up by Super Shuttle at 5:35 AM, arrived at

LAX

by 6:15, and went to the long, long line for those who had E-tickets. The Post Office insists on E-tickets, claiming that you have a shorter wait in

line.

However, when I finally got to the self chack window, they wanted a

credit

card for confirming ID. Not having one (as a Chapter 13 debtor), I was told to

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to the back of a longer, longer line for E-ticket holders without credit

cards.

In spite of which I made my 8 AM flight and arrived in Norman in the late afternoon. After a few mistakes, I was able to get Brother’s portable computer working. I’ll let Michel Andruschak describe the setup. Yes, it is quite slow, but it works. After supper I went to a Yoga class. Very relaxing and stress reducing,

which

I needed. The USPS class is tomorrow at 8 AM. YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you kidding?!  That’s too early, IMO!  9:00 would be more reasonable. Yeah, I know that wasn’t what you were "Yay"ing about. Cathy — "Staccato signals of constant information…" ("The Boy in the Bubble")  Paul Simon

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Up at 4 AM Pacific time for breakfast, quality time with the cats, and scooping out their litter boxes. Picked up by Super Shuttle at 5:35 AM, arrived at LAX by 6:15, and went to the long, long line for those who had E-tickets. The Post Office insists on E-tickets, claiming that you have a shorter wait in line. However, when I finally got to the self chack window, they wanted a credit card for confirming ID. Not having one (as a Chapter 13 debtor), I was told to go to the back of a longer, longer line for E-ticket holders without credit cards. In spite of which I made my 8 AM flight and arrived in Norman in the late afternoon. After a few mistakes, I was able to get Brother’s portable computer working. I’ll let Michel Andruschak describe the setup. Yes, it is quite slow, but it works. After supper I went to a Yoga class. Very relaxing and stress reducing, which I needed. The USPS class is tomorrow at 8 AM. Reply to harryandruschak AT aol DOT com Honorary Menobabe with golden toenails Abject, humble Cat Harem eunuch slave to ^..^ Conway, Czarina, Max, and Hestia (formerly Molly) ^..^ "Because Nice Matters"

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From: Harry Up at 4 AM Pacific time for breakfast, quality time with the cats, and scooping out their litter boxes. Picked up by Super Shuttle at 5:35 AM, arrived at LAX by 6:15, and went to the long, long line for those who had E-tickets. The Post Office insists on E-tickets, claiming that you have a shorter wait in line. However, when I finally got to the self chack window, they wanted a credit card for confirming ID. Not having one (as a Chapter 13 debtor), I was told to go to the back of a longer, longer line for E-ticket holders without credit cards. In spite of which I made my 8 AM flight and arrived in Norman in the late afternoon. After a few mistakes, I was able to get Brother’s portable computer working. I’ll let Michel Andruschak describe the setup. Yes, it is quite slow, but it works. After supper I went to a Yoga class. Very relaxing and stress reducing, which I needed. The USPS class is tomorrow at 8 AM.

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sharon……..Don’t think of it as getting hot flashes. Think of it as your inner child playing with matches.

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Hey, glad you were able to get the PC (laptop?) hooked up to the interent! Cathy — "Staccato signals of constant information…" ("The Boy in the Bubble")  Paul Simon "Eu. Harry Andruschak" <catharemeun…@aol.comfyChair

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Up at 4 AM Pacific time for breakfast, quality time with the cats, and

scooping

out their litter boxes. Picked up by Super Shuttle at 5:35 AM, arrived at

LAX

by 6:15, and went to the long, long line for those who had E-tickets. The

Post

Office insists on E-tickets, claiming that you have a shorter wait in

line.

However, when I finally got to the self chack window, they wanted a credit

card

for confirming ID. Not having one (as a Chapter 13 debtor), I was told to

go to

the back of a longer, longer line for E-ticket holders without credit

cards.

In spite of which I made my 8 AM flight and arrived in Norman in the late afternoon. After a few mistakes, I was able to get Brother’s portable

computer

working. I’ll let Michel Andruschak describe the setup. Yes, it is quite

slow,

but it works. After supper I went to a Yoga class. Very relaxing and stress reducing,

which I

needed. The USPS class is tomorrow at 8 AM. Reply to harryandruschak AT aol DOT com Honorary Menobabe with golden toenails Abject, humble Cat Harem eunuch slave to ^..^ Conway, Czarina, Max, and Hestia (formerly Molly) ^..^ "Because Nice Matters"

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Spending 3 days in Aran in September.  What can I expect?  And what about the weather?  Thanks, Roisin

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Hello, my name is Robert and I live in NYC. I was on the Aran Islands last month for 10 days and it is great. It might not be for everyone, but if you want peace and quite then you will enjoy it. If you can, take a hike along the cliffs on the Ocean side as the coast line is just breathtaking. We stayed at a cottege that was so charming and at this place, she cooked some great meals too! You can ride your bikes, hike, swim, relax, and just enjoy the feeling of the place as after the 2nd day or so, the place grows on you. There is something magicial to the place and I hope we do a yoga workshop there next

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Spending 3 days in Aran in September.  What can I expect?  And what about the weather?  Thanks, Roisin

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Hello, my name is Robert and I live in NYC. I was on the Aran Islands last month for 10 days and it is great. It might not be for everyone, but if you want peace and quite then you will enjoy it. If you can, take a hike along the cliffs on the Ocean side as the coast line is just breathtaking. We stayed at a cottege that was so charming and at this place, she cooked some great meals too! You can ride your bikes, hike, swim, relax, and just enjoy the feeling of the place as after the 2nd day or so, the place grows on you. There is something magicial to the place and I hope we do a yoga workshop there next

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Hello. I am going on a Yoga Workshop on the Aran Islands in late May. I have to get to Galway and need timetables for buses from the airport. Please e-mail me

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Hello. I am going on a Yoga Workshop on the Aran Islands in late May. I have to get to Galway and need timetables for buses from the airport. Please e-mail me

Hello Yoga Poses, The website of the bus company is at http://www.buseireann.ie and their search for time-tables page is at http://www.buseireann.ie/ttable/index.asp Then ,,,enter Shannon as the Search Key Select CORK-LIMERICK-GALWAY-BALLINA as the route You get back the timetable for route 51 Add about 15 minutes to the departure time from Limerick to get the time the bus calls at Shannon Airport. If you got to the bottom of this page you find links to other routes out of Shannon Airport. for information on the B&B system in Ireland see our website – a link is at the foot of this message. Enjoy  your holiday inAran – ti is wonderful. Evelyn & Tom Moore,         See our Web site URL below Avondoyle Country Home B&B, Limerick, Ireland For more about B&B holidays in Ireland see our Web pages at             http://www.iol.ie/~avondoyl          or http://www.welcome.to/avondoyle or email us at the corrected address (NB…. Note that you must change "nonsense" to "avondoyl" in our mail address .

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Hello. I am going on a Yoga Workshop on the Aran Islands in late May. I have to get to Galway and need timetables for buses from the airport. Please e-mail me

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Hello. I am going on a Yoga Workshop on the Aran Islands in late May. I have to get to Galway and need timetables for buses from the airport. Please e-mail me

Hello Yoga Poses, The website of the bus company is at http://www.buseireann.ie and their search for time-tables page is at http://www.buseireann.ie/ttable/index.asp Then ,,,enter Shannon as the Search Key Select CORK-LIMERICK-GALWAY-BALLINA as the route You get back the timetable for route 51 Add about 15 minutes to the departure time from Limerick to get the time the bus calls at Shannon Airport. If you got to the bottom of this page you find links to other routes out of Shannon Airport. for information on the B&B system in Ireland see our website – a link is at the foot of this message. Enjoy  your holiday inAran – ti is wonderful. Evelyn & Tom Moore,         See our Web site URL below Avondoyle Country Home B&B, Limerick, Ireland For more about B&B holidays in Ireland see our Web pages at             http://www.iol.ie/~avondoyl          or http://www.welcome.to/avondoyle or email us at the corrected address (NB…. Note that you must change "nonsense" to "avondoyl" in our mail address .

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Greetings to you all. I’m only 19 years old and living in a country with practically no Buddhist meditation centers or anything like that.

Dear Tuu, I nearly can’t beliefe that – where is that place you life? Other than this, I think meditation really, really kicks ass. I’m seriously planning to move to India to do some research after I’ve graduated (which will unfortunately not happen very soon). I’m thinking of retreating into a monastery within the next 20 years. My life is just too fucking weird, I must try to find out what has brought me into this karmic position.

) I add here some hopefully inspiring quotes. Sat Nam – Hari Har Singh Follow the three Rs: – Respect for yourself – Respect for others – Responsibility for all your actions. Nepalese mantra Drop all ideas of achieving in meditation, just do it naturally; what happens, happens on its own. One day, effortlessly, everything starts happening by itself. Osho Man creates his own confusion just because he goes on rejecting himself, condemning himself, not accepting himself. Then a chain of confusion, inner chaos and misery is created. Why don’t you accept yourself as you are? What is wrong? The whole existence accepts you as you are, why don’t you? Osho Meditation is not a solution of any problem in particular; it solves nothing. It simply helps you to get rid of the mind, the problem-creator. It simply helps you to slip out of the mind as a snake slips out of the old skin. Osho Hope is always for the future, and the reality is always in the present. Hope deprives you of the present, and the present is the only moment you can explore your reality, your beauty, your truth, your divineness. Osho Becoming whole is becoming authentic, becoming yourself – whosoever you are, whatsoever you are. Accept your limitations, accept your imperfections. That’s what it means to be a human being. Osho

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Ok!!! Get ready Lets Die! Do you have a guru, since your into the big V I guess its the Buddha Sit in Siddhisana turn your tongue up to touch the roof of your mouth with your back straight and chin level concentrate on a spot 3 finger widths beneath the navel (you can scratch it with your finger if you can’t locate it in your mind) think of the color red, deep red like blood make it hot like the sun or if you like like the fires of hell this ball of red fire can be the size of your fist. You can do this once a day, don’t do it just before you go to sleep. Also don’t have sex of anykind especially right after this meditation. Now like I said you have to be ready to die so when the show begins let go of everything kd

RIP – Rest In PerpetuaLettinGo … by the way… are you a relative of Baba Ram Dass? Cheerz! Gerrit

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Hi, Ok!!! Get ready Lets Die! Do you have a guru, since your into the big V I guess its the Buddha Sit in Siddhisana turn your tongue up to touch the roof of your mouth with your back straight and chin level concentrate on a spot 3 finger widths beneath the navel (you can scratch it with your finger if you can’t locate it in your mind) think of the color red, deep red like blood make it hot like the sun or if you like like the fires of hell this ball of red fire can be the size of your fist. You can do this once a day, don’t do it just before you go to sleep. Also don’t have sex of anykind especially right after this meditation. Now like I said you have to be ready to die so when the show begins let go of everything kd

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Seriously, can a person die from this?

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<snip I don’t really dig all the talk of chakras siddhis etc. Practicing yoga has immense benefits in and of itself.<snip

Just you wait.  You stay the course and these things just kind of creep up on you.  It doesn’t hurt to know what to do. Last Saturday I took part in an advanced yoga workshop and released something deep inside. Sunday I had this weird depressed feeling all day.  I never get depressed.  I knew it was in the realm of destressing/siddhis something from the nether world. Managed to detach myself from it – breath through it and it left my body. I doubt that you will be immune. — ~Stu

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Live your life brother, I’m 28 now and starting to feel like 19 again from being into yoga over the past 5 years. Wierd "freaky" experiences happen.They fade if you let them so stay pure to yourself. Yoga (along with other things to do with having a body and having fun with it like sk8 and snowboard;) tennis etc… I don’t really dig all the talk of chakras siddhis etc. Practicing yoga has immense benefits in and of itself. It complements everything any sport, I used to pump iron about ur age. I as into muscle (natural of course). I enjoyed it but yoga blows it away hands down. I more ripped and flexable than then now. Stay cool — — peace be the journey — http://home.freeuk.net/justin.horth

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings to you all. After reading the (somewhat hilarious) post about Kundalini awakening [alt.meditation] and its presumed symptoms while shitting, I decided to tell about my own experiences. No, they have nothing to do with taking a crap , but I hope I could get some intelligent answers here. Sorry if my English isn’t perfect, it’s not my native tongue. I have practiced Vipassana meditation almost daily for about six months now. (I do have a little experience with psychedelic substances, although I don’t know whether that’s relevant.) My sessions have gradually deepened and I have gained several insights into my life and self. A couple of months ago I felt for the first time a very intense "burning" sensation in my solar plexus region. After this experience, weird things have happened. I can’t really explain them, as they’re related to my personal life in such a complex way. I’ve gone through weird, seemingly irrational periods of depression; fears/phobias and many odd memories from childhood have emerged from my subconscious; and I’ve felt "crawling", shuddering, and tingling sensations around my body. It seems that some of my other chakras have also become active, although the solar plexus is by far the most noticeable. Sometimes the burning in it is so intense that I have to lie down; other times (while meditating) it has pulsated rapidly and "circulated" below my chest. I think it might have something to do with certain emotional blockages — mostly fears and social ignorance — I have had to deal with as my spiritual path has started to manifest itself. (I have these very interesting phobias about certain plants & other quite extraordinary stuff.) And… I can’t really speak about them, as I know it would sound way too insane, but think I’ve had a couple of (psychic?) experiences that apparently defy rational explanation. My "evil side" has given me some pretty nasty stuff to think about; sometimes I even have suicidal thoughts, even though I don’t really have an intention to follow them. I also think a lot about death and dying in general. I don’t think I’m going crazy… but you can never be sure, can you? Sometimes I almost feel that I’m going through a painful purgation process or "dark night of the soul" that the Christian mystics spoke about. I’m a student of comparative religion and these phenomena are quite interesting to me, although I have had to reconsider some of my metaphysical assumptions. I’ve read about Kundalini awakening on the Internet and it seems that many of my symptoms are very similiar to it, although I don’t want to make any hasty conclusions. One question I haven’t found the answer to is: how long can such an experience last? Is it immediate or can it take several months, even years? I do not have a teacher nor do I have the opportunity to find one right now — I’m only 19 years old and living in a country with practically no Buddhist meditation centers or anything like that. Other than this, I think meditation really, really kicks ass. I’m seriously planning to move to India to do some research after I’ve graduated (which will unfortunately not happen very soon). I’m thinking of retreating into a monastery within the next 20 years. My life is just too fucking weird, I must try to find out what has brought me into this karmic position. ___ my e-mail address is not valid Before you buy.

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These are all pertinent symptoms of opening the solar plexus chakra, which you’ve apparently done. It is the animal power/  lower psychic chakra and can get you into much more serious trouble. It should not be concentrated on or stimulated in any way, as you now know to your regret. You can develop amazing "miraculous" abilities and powers, but the price is incredibly steep. You also may have been "recruited" by the evil ones who like to hang out in that level. Yes? They are disgusting, but they can/will promise fame, fortune, the moon.  You need to find a soul doctor or clairvoyant who can help you close that chakra before you get into real trouble.

<delurk I (mildly) disagree that he needs to "close" the chakra. I think, rather than being to do with animal/instinctual energy (which I associate with Muladhara), the solar plexus relates to personal power – the human’s force of will. It seems he has already had a number of the problems associated with developing the solar center. I think perhaps he will either follow through with his yoga until he has become that thing or else become insane. I also think he should desist immediately. I also follow the way of developing the solar plexus force. My advice: if you don’t have a guru or ishta devata, leave this well alone. Whatever techniques you are doing that relate to that chakra, I’d strongly advise you to cease and desist. I’ve been exactly where you are and I know it’s no picnic.

I can confirm that it’s not pleasant to go through this method for acquiring powers. The levels and rules of communication have changed for you now, as you realize there are different realms or planes which we simultaneously exist in and interract. And you can see how everyone around you really is asleep. It’s a lonely feeling.

Not everyone, if you know what I mean. And that’s something that will really "freak him out" when he discovers it. I’m just supporting the advice you’ve given.

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Do you think the word ‘die’ is a little strong? Try and imagine those last moments, when you are taking that last breath, you have exhaled and you can’t inhale, there is a seperation unfelt and unseen by you.  You are slipping away faster and faster.  Should you panic, call 911, call your mommy, or should you watch what happens next attentively.  You will know doubt be forced to watch it anyways but you may freak in the process and pass out from the release of emotion and fear and miss all the fun. If you are going to play the kundalini game you can’t go halfway, I mean you can try, please tell me what happens, I’m interested.  But the way I see it you have to make that big committment, all or nothing.   Something is going to happen that will defy everything we are brought up to believe.  Your body might start doing things you would expect in another sequel of the Excorcist, depending on how much energy you invoke, conjur, manifest, spew…. You are pushing a start button with no off switch. So your approach is everything. Just think of it as entering the twilight zone Would you risk your life to find the truth, perhaps your sanity too? Afterall this isn’t just your mind that you are playing with, it involves your body too.  You don’t start it, all the sensations just a blazing along, then you decide "I don’t want to play anymore!" Ever hear the song "Locomotive Breath" by Jethro Tull, this train doesn’t stop too. So when it starts with eyes wide open as if looking into the maw of death let go let the chips fall where they may cause after all its what you wanted in the first place. Can you die from this? Some people think so.  They think its totally dangerous, afterall you aren’t just screwing with the ultimate, it’s the ultimate’s energy just pull up to the pump and say ‘fill’er up!’ So if thats the case cause wanting may definetely be better than having if you try to chump out in midstream.

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Learn to control the chakras, learn to control the kundalini, do NOT i repeat do not "go with the flow" , unless you are  that type of person. If you dont want to control it , you are getting into trouble, you are just like "most" people are.If u go with the flow… the flow will take you almost anywhere, to hell or to heaven, it may even take away your personality leaving you more anxious rather than feeling *Good and balanced*. Same goes with meditation. It may seem cool to "go with the flow" but it is certainly NOT what i am doing myself. What i do is control my thoughts all the time, whether i am meditating or not (everything you do in life is actually meditatation). My point advice here is : 1 Keep controlling your mind during the day whether meditating or not. 2 Allow yourself to think in the ways YOU want to think, and do not let the energy "take you" 3 Remember : You are the one who should be controlling the kundalini, don

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Victor: {{hugs}} back to you!  I’m glad to see you posting.  I’ve been worried about you! Fred and I had dinner at my favourite Italian restaurant tonight (Friday the 13th – having dinner with our Spanish friends & kids tomorrow night).  It was ten years ago on Valentines day that Fred and I annouced our engagement! It was a coincidence for when my engagement ring was ready after re-sizing. Celebrating the day tomorrow in a yoga workshop! Hugs to all your great rpca people! Susan M Otis and Chester

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Happy Valentines Day to you too, Victor Dennis and I are just about to head off to a nice resort on the beach for 2 nights.  Our 8th anniversary is on the 21st, but Dennis has to return to Burma for work on the 18th so we are celebrating Valentines and anniversary together. Hugs to you and Tom, — Britta Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album

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In Mexico, February 14th is known as Dia de San Valentin or Dia del Amor y la Amistad (Day of Love and Friendship). So here’s a very warm hug to all my friends out there.

Here in Finland it’s know as "Friendship Day" (Yst

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As much as I love to play warring homepages, I should announce that I am leaving due….

I didn’t see any pgp signature on this post. Do you think it’s a forgery? Just how many times has White Lotus ‘left’ Usenet now anyway? Walah? Debbie

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So long white whacko, don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.  I will be watching for your lawsuit in the legal journals.  Be sure to come back and post the docket number once it is filed so the less fortunate lay persons here can at least go donw to the court house and get a copy of the complaint to read.  I look forward to your impending banckruptcy notice when you lose and get a major judgment against you.  Oh and BTW intentional torts are not dischargeable in bankruptcy.  Just thought you might like to know that now.

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As much as I love to play warring homepages, I should announce that I am leaving due to the fact that I just got a book offer writing about my experiences regarding trying to speak out about abuse within spiritual communities, both on the Usenet and with my ex-cult. Also came into some money recently and will be off to a one week yoga workshop on Lopez Island to be followed by some world travels. And the lawsuit against Cyber Sangha is going to be much more fun than hacking it out here on the Net or in Mr. Ray’s soon to be defunk magazine.  And then the matter of Williams . . . . I havent even had the time to have my lawyer look at that. But, in short I do not have time for this cesspool anymore with my recent offer to write a manuscript and with the other things I have to do with my life. Will I post again? Oh probably, but I really cannot see how I have much more than an occaisional post about True Lotus Support Network for any Newbies that are out there. And my web site is going to be updated. I just got HotDog Pro which is as good as the ads say. So, it has been real. I still should be able to keep up on my e-mail correspondence, however. And I will be putting up a web site with updates regarding my lawsuit against Cyber Sangha and Gary Ray. Take care.  And one of my friends please tell me if we have gotten Kook of the Year. Jungalee Girl,Kook, and Woman Who Runs With the Wolves, White Lotus "Great Spirits have always encountered violent opposition by mediocre minds" . . . . Albert Einstein "Persecution by one’s Fellow Beings is a sure sign of spiritual progress.                                         . . . . Pandit Ragmani Tigunait True Lotus Support Network World Wide Support Network For Betrayal of Trust Survivors http://prodigy.pages.com/XYZS27A

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I just returned from a yoga workshop with Angela Farmer and Victor van Kooten in Mexico.  hey are wonderful teachers and perhaps not well-known to others in this group.  Should I post their workshop schedule for the rest of the year or would that be frowned upon?  I have seen one other workshop announcement before (Joan White) but it does not seem to be the norm.

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You lucky dog. In Mexico, ey?

: I just returned from a yoga workshop with Angela Farmer and Victor van : Kooten in Mexico.  hey are wonderful teachers and perhaps not well-known : to others in this group.  Should I post their workshop schedule for the : rest of the year or would that be frowned upon?  I have seen one other : workshop announcement before (Joan White) but it does not seem to be the : norm. I dont mind if you post it. However, they may already have a homepage? And if they do not, they should have one. Stop Abuse By Yoga Teachers http://www.halcyon.com/anon/

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THANK YOU FOR BEING ONE OF MY MOST PERSISTENT NET STALKERS OVER 1995, JODY AND FOR ILLUSTRATING #1-#6 BELOW IN MY GENERIC POST FOR NET STALKERS. LOVE TO ARGUE WITH YOU, BUT THAT WOULD BE #5. ARI Dear Reader: Hello and Namaste, My name is Arianna Elise Lindemann and this is the Internet! I run an organization named White Lotus Dharma Center (http://www.speakeasy.org/~ari). White Lotus Dharma Center is an organization dedicated to exposing abuse by eastern spiritual teachers , supporting  victims of abuse  and educating new students about abuse/boundary issues. My inspiration for revealing the names of abusive teachers comes from the direct advice of the Dalai Lama in his Open Letter to Buddhist Teachers. It is by naming abusive teachers publicly that we protect future students,  and perhaps prevent future abuse. However, power structures based around abusive teachers are such that devoted groupies of a particular teaacher, seek to protect their teacher through various forms of violence. The forms of violence that I have been subj ected to include the following: 1. Blatant libel ( a good example is a person who has accused me of having been arrested for attending a yoga workshop, when I dont even have a speeding ticket to my name) 2.Attempts to discredit me: This has included making false accusations against me, characterizing me as mentally ill, a liar, etc. (this "hysterical woman" argument has been one used for decades by the patriarchy to silen ce victims of abuse). 3. Fake e mails – As we all should know, it is all too easy to fake e mails and posts on the Internet and I have been subjected to this. This includes posts which carry my name, along with obscenities, which I did not pos Newsgroups: alt.yoga THANK YOU FOR BEING ONE OF MY MOST PERSISTENT NET STALKERS OVER 1995, JODY AND FOR ILLUSTRATING #1-#6 BELOW IN MY GENERIC POST FOR NET STALKERS. LOVE TO ARGUE WITH YOU, BUT THAT WOULD BE #5. ARI Dear Reader: Hello and Namaste, My name is Arianna Elise Lindemann and this is the Internet! I run an organization named White Lotus Dharma Center (http://www.speakeasy.org/~ari). White Lotus Dharma Center is an organization dedicated to exposing abuse by eastern spiritual teachers , supporting  victims of abuse  and educating new students about abuse/boundary issues. My inspiration for revealing the names of abusive teachers comes from the direct advice of the Dalai Lama in his Open Letter to Buddhist Teachers. It is by naming abusive teachers publicly that we protect future students,  and perhaps prevent future abuse. However, power structures based around abusive teachers are such that devoted groupies of a particular teaacher, seek to protect their teacher through various forms of violence. The forms of violence that I have been subj ected to include the following: 1. Blatant libel ( a good example is a person who has accused me of having been arrested for attending a yoga workshop, when I dont even have a speeding ticket to my name) 2.Attempts to discredit me: This has included making false accusations against me, characterizing me as mentally ill, a liar, etc. (this "hysterical woman" argument has been one used for decades by the patriarchy to silen ce victims of abuse). 3. Fake e mails – As we all should know, it is all too easy to fake e mails and posts on the Internet and I have been subjected to this. This includes posts which carry my name, along with obscenities, which I did not pos t.  Buddhist Peace Fellowship Newsletter and Yoga Journal. These DISTRACTION tactics will no longer be given any power. I feel that flamers will be seen for the violent fascists that they are and that sincere and kind people, truly interested in helping victims of abuse in our Sa nghas and Yoga Communties will see these flamers for what they are – violent and sick people. The same type of people who would give you Kool Aid at the Jim Jones party – so blind in their "obedience" to their teacher ( o r in the case of some, to their own hatred) that they forget kindness and compassion and can think of nothing other than hatred and violence towards myself, the women I support, and my cause. This letter will be pasted on any future flames. ***Anyone sincerely interested in myself, my work, or about any libel posted about me on the net, can e mail me and find out the FACTS about what I am and what I do!. For those who want to believe the tactics of hatred an d violence expounded and demonstrated by these violent, stalking flamers – then, well, God help you!*** Peace to all of you, and God bless you. Arianna Elise Lindemann White Lotus Dharma Center http://www.speakeasy.org/~ari "Great souls have always encountered violent opposition by mediocre minds"                                                         Albert Einstein "Persecution by one’s fellow beings is a sure sign of spiritual progress"                                                 Pandit Rajmani Tigunait "If you ain’t offending people, you ain’t doing it right"                                         Anonymous – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [snip] 4.INTIMIDATION: I have received harassive, obscene and /or threatening e mail from the following: Jody, Bon Giovanni, Tantricone, Shoki (not for a long time), Chris Christian. I have also received hate mail which I have reason to suspect is from my ex-cult leader’s followers. My husband’s life has been threatened, my dog’s life has been threatened, defamatory letters have been sent to my work. This is completely and utterly false with regards to my involvement in this tragic affair.  I have posted to USENET (alt.meditation and alt.yoga) notes critical of Ari’s tactics online.  I have *never* sent her an email message, and for this reason she cannot substantiate these claims about me.  We all know what the unfortunate *real* story is.  –jody radzik. Welcome to alt.meditation and alt.yoga, where we are all psychopathic lunatics and only one person is really sane.  Happy New Year.

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[snip] 4.INTIMIDATION: I have received harassive, obscene and /or threatening e mail from the following: Jody, Bon Giovanni, Tantricone, Shoki (not for a long time), Chris Christian. I have also received hate mail which I have reason to suspect is from my ex-cult leader’s followers. My husband’s life has been threatened, my dog’s life has been threatened, defamatory letters have been sent to my work.

This is completely and utterly false with regards to my involvement in this tragic affair.  I have posted to USENET (alt.meditation and alt.yoga) notes critical of Ari’s tactics online.  I have *never* sent her an email message, and for this reason she cannot substantiate these claims about me.  We all know what the unfortunate *real* story is.  –jody radzik. Welcome to alt.meditation and alt.yoga, where we are all psychopathic lunatics and only one person is really sane.  Happy New Year.

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