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[snip] maybe she (or you) can undertand where i’m coming from looking at it like this–some yoga exercises are beginning ones, and then, when the muscles are stretched, the student goes to intermediate, and then advanced. it isn’t a judgement call, just a description of progress in yoga. if there is no desire to progress, why stretch the muscles further by doing yoga? if becoming more flexible is not something to be desired, thus advancing the person’s wellbeing, why do it? i was not saying that some people are less illusiory than others, or that i am a better person than others, though i do believe that yoga teachers who don’t understand kundalini may need to do some advancing for the good of their students, who must be studying in order to advance themselves.
I think she and I are talking about different kinds of advancement. When an individual decides to practice yoga, they will probably experience an improvement in their health and well-being, as well as becoming more skilled at the actual practice of the postures. This could be said to be a kind of advancement, and yoga teachers can be said to be more advanced in this regard. Kundalini describes some of the neurological manifestations of the yoga process. Those who have been doing yoga a long time may have more experience with the Kundalini process, but this doesn’t mean they are more advanced as a result. This is because some people are born with much of the kundalini process already complete. Others are born with a lot of work to do. A person who needs a lot of work may have practiced for years but still not have caught up to the person who hasn’t even started. With regards to Self realization, the fact is that we are all *equally* the Self. That is, nobody is any more the Self than anyone else. It makes no difference how enlightened they are, or how much yoga they’ve done. You can’t get any closer to who you already are. The *only* difference between the enlightened and everyone else is that the enlightened live in the experiential revelation of their true nature, and the rest either speculate about it or don’t give a damn one way or another. It’s an matter of a simple perceptual shift. Everyone gets their panties in a wad trying to bring about this shift by eliminating their ego. Thus, everyone gets further entangled in ego identification by being the one who is trying to get out. In other words, the one trying to eliminate the ego *is* the ego. So, those yoga teachers (not including your friend) who believe they are more spiritually advanced because they’ve done and know a lot about yoga are actually fortifying their identification with the ego (identity: yoga teacher) and will thus prevent themselves from the experientially revelation that is always at hand.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [snip] Well… if you met her… you might change your tune. I’ve never met a person like her, ever. Hero worship aside, if she believes she is more advanced than any other, whether or not they do yoga, she is deluding herself. Yoga teachers have this problem. That is, being a yoga teacher is just as illusory as being a student, or a street person for that matter. Coming to understand oneself as they really are has very little to do with advancing or being advanced. It’s much more a discovery of what was always there. While it’s true that there is a accompanying establishment of clarity, this can come in many ways by various agencies outside of yoga. In this regard, yoga teachers don’t have any advantages. Please invite her to discuss this with us here. Jody… I don’t think she believes she is better, or more advanced than anyone. I did send what you said to her and this is what she responded with… interesting response. i know what she means. i wonder why she is doing yoga, though, considering that is the goal of it traditionally? does she think that being without ego is more advanced? I wrote and asked – who knows? should i post what you said and wait and find out? – and then received this…. couldn’t hurt i guess. i really sympathize with her response. i don’t like the way people look at enlightment either. advancement as far as energies go has to do with such things as having cleared chakras, opened channels, the rise of kundalini, etc, things that are specifically taught in yoga as being something worth attaining in order to be a more balanced person. if yogis didn’ think pranayama and fasting and meditating etc would advance them, they wouldn’t spend so much effort doing it, yet i don’t see it as an ego venture, particularly. i think the ego has more sway over us when we are unbalanced and the energies are stuck and muddy than when we become cleaner conduits for energy. Thanks for having patience with this. Again, I’m new to this and unltimately I just want to be who I was intended to be and I want to be loving and helpful to others. :) Darren She also sent this…. maybe she (or you) can undertand where i’m coming from looking at it like this–some yoga exercises are beginning ones, and then, when the muscles are stretched, the student goes to intermediate, and then advanced. it isn’t a judgement call, just a description of progress in yoga. if there is no desire to progress, why stretch the muscles further by doing yoga? if becoming more flexible is not something to be desired, thus advancing the person’s wellbeing, why do it? i was not saying that some people are less illusiory than others, or that i am a better person than others, though i do believe that yoga teachers who don’t understand kundalini may need to do some advancing for the good of their students, who must be studying in order to advance themselves.
Darren, My advice is to look in the yellow page under Yoga, and find a yoga studios in your area, and take some classes, shop around and find a style that resonates with you. At least take an intro class before you start with tapes. Feedback is very important. For asana practice my own fav is Iyengar Style. I was in a traffic accident about 12 years ago and screwed up my back to no end. I was fortunate to go to a physical therapist that was also a yoga teacher. From there I was introduced to the world of Iyengar method yoga. In the matter a year I aligned my spine so that I was completely relieved of back pain. Mr. Iyengar was one of a number of Yoga teachers that brought Yoga to the west in the 50’s and 60’s. He has written numerous books on the practice of yoga. His book "Light on Yoga" has become a "bible" to a number of schools of yoga. His latest book "Yoga the Path to Holistic Health" is really a must read for the practicing yogi. His students have set up institutes throughout the world and a system of rigourous training to insure that Iyengar taught teachers have a consistent method of teaching. This includes training in physiology and understanding of physical ailments and how to tailor the practice to the student. Two Web sites about Iyengar Method Yoga can be found at: http://www.iyengar-yoga.com/ (this site has a directory of teachers for the world) http://www.bksiyengar.com/ Good luck, and enjoy the journey. — ~Stu
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I’m not sure about whether it’s good or not. One really would just have to try it How much does it cost? I left the TM Movement because they seem to only care about money. If the technique is so ancient, and the brainchild of a world savior guru then why hasn’t anyone heard about it before. If it’s just another packaging of SRF’s Kriya One technique then maybe someone locally can say so? I just have problems with websites about spiritual techniques that promise the world. Spiritual techniques are just like air or water, they themselves don’t mean or do anything. One can meditate and have more energy to make money, or one can meditate and then contemplate their personality and gain insight. The meditation may be the same in both cases but the results in life are unpredictable and therefore meaningless except as a sales point. Some people may meditate because it allows them to feel their erection with less stress from work. Get my point. Websites that promise the world, miss it. Someone who says that such and such technique will make one be like such and such are wrong. People should meditate because they have found that they want to know themselves and the world better. Maybe to enjoy bliss if it’s a blissful technique. I don’t ever do pranayama and I sit in samadhi an hour ot two a day. Pranayama is a subordinate practice and good for clearing the channels if one lives where there is no pollution, otherwise it’s a good subordinate practice. Too much pranayama makes the mind unglued,and makes one angry. Watch people who do it, do they seem easily irritated? That’s a side effect of too much ungrounded prana.
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| Cobra Breath – a proprietary or otherwise commercial pranayama which is | supposedly the most advanced meditation on earth – Babaji – both things in | one word – bullshit. The only reason they can’t tell you more about the | technique on any of their webpages is that it can be summed up in one | sentence or paragraph, then what would they charge you for. If Babaji | cared | so much for the people of the world he would give it away like I have my | techniques at http://members.cox.net/l-v-x/ under meditations. | | Abused children often dissociate from their limiting personality as a way | to | heal – conflicting emotions may be very huge and terrifying. Witnessing | silence of consciousness and dissociation have some common characteristics | and often abused people turn to spiritual techniques and find great | affinity | for various yogas. This is quite alright. The actual personality is not | one specific integrated whole. It’s a series of dependent fragments all | sewn together like a sheet. We think a sheet is a thing but its actually | many things, many fibres in a weave. I don’t care to push this analogy. | The main point I’m making is that one can find themself fully engaged in | the | same silent awareness through many many means, some joyful as in yoga, and | some extremely painful like torture and abuse. The difference is really | more in the way the relative person deals with the experience, in an | either | integrating or an escapist way. But whenever one has to transcend an | experience there’s only two ways to go, towards more consciousness, or | less. | | It sounds like you have become more conscious through your life | experience. | It’s certainly totally unnessary and impossible to discern exactly where | and | why one becomes the way they are. Karma is too vast to be summed up by | any | intellect. Should a universe full of computers make trillions of | calculations per millisecond for your entire life they all together would | still not understand a Van Gogh painting. So all thought is bound to have | limits. When the thought stops then one is natural in themself. If at | this | point you feel energy flow then it is the awareness itself, moving within | itself. This is a fairly evolved experience, though not uncommon. It | becomes more valuable when place in spiritual context, but only because | the | intellect is what assigns value. The experience of energy in oneself is | just about being. It really doesn’t mean anything. However it can be a | force of positivity and change because it dissolves and unifies | differences. | | It’s also called the sambogakaya in Budhism. | | | | Wow. So… Cobra Breath is not good? My head is spinning. lol Sometimes | I wonder about the intentions of this woman… Is Tantra Yoga good? | | I sure do appreciate the time you’re spending to help me understand this! | | Darren | |
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Thanks for that. :-) I gotta give my brain a rest. lol Darren
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m not sure about whether it’s good or not. One really would just have to try it How much does it cost? I left the TM Movement because they seem to only care about money. If the technique is so ancient, and the brainchild of a world savior guru then why hasn’t anyone heard about it before. If it’s just another packaging of SRF’s Kriya One technique then maybe someone locally can say so? I just have problems with websites about spiritual techniques that promise the world. Spiritual techniques are just like air or water, they themselves don’t mean or do anything. One can meditate and have more energy to make money, or one can meditate and then contemplate their personality and gain insight. The meditation may be the same in both cases but the results in life are unpredictable and therefore meaningless except as a sales point. Some people may meditate because it allows them to feel their erection with less stress from work. Get my point. Websites that promise the world, miss it. Someone who says that such and such technique will make one be like such and such are wrong. People should meditate because they have found that they want to know themselves and the world better. Maybe to enjoy bliss if it’s a blissful technique. I don’t ever do pranayama and I sit in samadhi an hour ot two a day. Pranayama is a subordinate practice and good for clearing the channels if one lives where there is no pollution, otherwise it’s a good subordinate practice. Too much pranayama makes the mind unglued,and makes one angry. Watch people who do it, do they seem easily irritated? That’s a side effect of too much ungrounded prana. | | Cobra Breath – a proprietary or otherwise commercial pranayama which is | supposedly the most advanced meditation on earth – Babaji – both things in | one word – bullshit. The only reason they can’t tell you more about the | technique on any of their webpages is that it can be summed up in one | sentence or paragraph, then what would they charge you for. If Babaji | cared | so much for the people of the world he would give it away like I have my | techniques at http://members.cox.net/l-v-x/ under meditations. | | Abused children often dissociate from their limiting personality as a way | to | heal – conflicting emotions may be very huge and terrifying. Witnessing | silence of consciousness and dissociation have some common characteristics | and often abused people turn to spiritual techniques and find great | affinity | for various yogas. This is quite alright. The actual personality is not | one specific integrated whole. It’s a series of dependent fragments all | sewn together like a sheet. We think a sheet is a thing but its actually | many things, many fibres in a weave. I don’t care to push this analogy. | The main point I’m making is that one can find themself fully engaged in | the | same silent awareness through many many means, some joyful as in yoga, and | some extremely painful like torture and abuse. The difference is really | more in the way the relative person deals with the experience, in an | either | integrating or an escapist way. But whenever one has to transcend an | experience there’s only two ways to go, towards more consciousness, or | less. | | It sounds like you have become more conscious through your life | experience. | It’s certainly totally unnessary and impossible to discern exactly where | and | why one becomes the way they are. Karma is too vast to be summed up by | any | intellect. Should a universe full of computers make trillions of | calculations per millisecond for your entire life they all together would | still not understand a Van Gogh painting. So all thought is bound to have | limits. When the thought stops then one is natural in themself. If at | this | point you feel energy flow then it is the awareness itself, moving within | itself. This is a fairly evolved experience, though not uncommon. It | becomes more valuable when place in spiritual context, but only because | the | intellect is what assigns value. The experience of energy in oneself is | just about being. It really doesn’t mean anything. However it can be a | force of positivity and change because it dissolves and unifies | differences. | | It’s also called the sambogakaya in Budhism. | | | | Wow. So… Cobra Breath is not good? My head is spinning. lol Sometimes | I wonder about the intentions of this woman… Is Tantra Yoga good? | | I sure do appreciate the time you’re spending to help me understand this! | | Darren | |
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [snip] Well… if you met her… you might change your tune. I’ve never met a person like her, ever. Hero worship aside, if she believes she is more advanced than any other, whether or not they do yoga, she is deluding herself. Yoga teachers have this problem. That is, being a yoga teacher is just as illusory as being a student, or a street person for that matter. Coming to understand oneself as they really are has very little to do with advancing or being advanced. It’s much more a discovery of what was always there. While it’s true that there is a accompanying establishment of clarity, this can come in many ways by various agencies outside of yoga. In this regard, yoga teachers don’t have any advantages. Please invite her to discuss this with us here. Jody… I don’t think she believes she is better, or more advanced than anyone. I did send what you said to her and this is what she responded with… interesting response. i know what she means. i wonder why she is doing yoga, though, considering that is the goal of it traditionally? does she think that being without ego is more advanced? I wrote and asked – who knows? should i post what you said and wait and find out? – and then received this…. couldn’t hurt i guess. i really sympathize with her response. i don’t like the way people look at enlightment either. advancement as far as energies go has to do with such things as having cleared chakras, opened channels, the rise of kundalini, etc, things that are specifically taught in yoga as being something worth attaining in order to be a more balanced person. if yogis didn’ think pranayama and fasting and meditating etc would advance them, they wouldn’t spend so much effort doing it, yet i don’t see it as an ego venture, particularly. i think the ego has more sway over us when we are unbalanced and the energies are stuck and muddy than when we become cleaner conduits for energy. Thanks for having patience with this. Again, I’m new to this and unltimately I just want to be who I was intended to be and I want to be loving and helpful to others. :) Darren
She also sent this…. maybe she (or you) can undertand where i’m coming from looking at it like this–some yoga exercises are beginning ones, and then, when the muscles are stretched, the student goes to intermediate, and then advanced. it isn’t a judgement call, just a description of progress in yoga. if there is no desire to progress, why stretch the muscles further by doing yoga? if becoming more flexible is not something to be desired, thus advancing the person’s wellbeing, why do it? i was not saying that some people are less illusiory than others, or that i am a better person than others, though i do believe that yoga teachers who don’t understand kundalini may need to do some advancing for the good of their students, who must be studying in order to advance themselves. ?
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I’ll go take a look… thanks!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This Yahoo group seems to be on point. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cobrabreath/ | | | [snip] | | how bizarre. your question is an good one, and one anyone involved in | yoga | should be able to answer immediately, but their answer is really totally | off | track. yoga is supposed to foster that kind of energy. that’s the point | of | it. to call it unstable identity with the body is really strange. i | would | guess they haven’t come close to experiencing kundalini, and don’t want | to | admit that someone else may be more advanced. | Thanks. | | Darren | | Your friend’s idea that he/she can "advance" along some avenue, | with enlightenment being at the end of that road is keeping | him/her firmly bound to their ego. | | That is, there is nowhere to advance to, and thinking there is | will keep a person from ever getting where they think they | want to be. | | | Well… if you met her… you might change your tune. I’ve never met a | person like her, ever. | |
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cobra Breath – a proprietary or otherwise commercial pranayama which is supposedly the most advanced meditation on earth – Babaji – both things in one word – bullshit. The only reason they can’t tell you more about the technique on any of their webpages is that it can be summed up in one sentence or paragraph, then what would they charge you for. If Babaji cared so much for the people of the world he would give it away like I have my techniques at http://members.cox.net/l-v-x/ under meditations. Abused children often dissociate from their limiting personality as a way to heal – conflicting emotions may be very huge and terrifying. Witnessing silence of consciousness and dissociation have some common characteristics and often abused people turn to spiritual techniques and find great affinity for various yogas. This is quite alright. The actual personality is not one specific integrated whole. It’s a series of dependent fragments all sewn together like a sheet. We think a sheet is a thing but its actually many things, many fibres in a weave. I don’t care to push this analogy. The main point I’m making is that one can find themself fully engaged in the same silent awareness through many many means, some joyful as in yoga, and some extremely painful like torture and abuse. The difference is really more in the way the relative person deals with the experience, in an either integrating or an escapist way. But whenever one has to transcend an experience there’s only two ways to go, towards more consciousness, or less. It sounds like you have become more conscious through your life experience. It’s certainly totally unnessary and impossible to discern exactly where and why one becomes the way they are. Karma is too vast to be summed up by any intellect. Should a universe full of computers make trillions of calculations per millisecond for your entire life they all together would still not understand a Van Gogh painting. So all thought is bound to have limits. When the thought stops then one is natural in themself. If at this point you feel energy flow then it is the awareness itself, moving within itself. This is a fairly evolved experience, though not uncommon. It becomes more valuable when place in spiritual context, but only because the intellect is what assigns value. The experience of energy in oneself is just about being. It really doesn’t mean anything. However it can be a force of positivity and change because it dissolves and unifies differences. It’s also called the sambogakaya in Budhism.
Wow. So… Cobra Breath is not good? My head is spinning. lol Sometimes I wonder about the intentions of this woman… Is Tantra Yoga good? I sure do appreciate the time you’re spending to help me understand this! Darren
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This Yahoo group seems to be on point. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cobrabreath/
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| | [snip] | | how bizarre. your question is an good one, and one anyone involved in | yoga | should be able to answer immediately, but their answer is really totally | off | track. yoga is supposed to foster that kind of energy. that’s the point | of | it. to call it unstable identity with the body is really strange. i | would | guess they haven’t come close to experiencing kundalini, and don’t want | to | admit that someone else may be more advanced. | Thanks. | | Darren | | Your friend’s idea that he/she can "advance" along some avenue, | with enlightenment being at the end of that road is keeping | him/her firmly bound to their ego. | | That is, there is nowhere to advance to, and thinking there is | will keep a person from ever getting where they think they | want to be. | | | Well… if you met her… you might change your tune. I’ve never met a | person like her, ever. | |
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [snip] how bizarre. your question is an good one, and one anyone involved in yoga should be able to answer immediately, but their answer is really totally off track. yoga is supposed to foster that kind of energy. that’s the point of it. to call it unstable identity with the body is really strange. i would guess they haven’t come close to experiencing kundalini, and don’t want to admit that someone else may be more advanced. Thanks. Darren Your friend’s idea that he/she can "advance" along some avenue, with enlightenment being at the end of that road is keeping him/her firmly bound to their ego. That is, there is nowhere to advance to, and thinking there is will keep a person from ever getting where they think they want to be.
Well… if you met her… you might change your tune. I’ve never met a person like her, ever.
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Do you know anything about Cobra Breath? Thanks Darren
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[snip] Well… if you met her… you might change your tune. I’ve never met a person like her, ever.
Hero worship aside, if she believes she is more advanced than any other, whether or not they do yoga, she is deluding herself. Yoga teachers have this problem. That is, being a yoga teacher is just as illusory as being a student, or a street person for that matter. Coming to understand oneself as they really are has very little to do with advancing or being advanced. It’s much more a discovery of what was always there. While it’s true that there is a accompanying establishment of clarity, this can come in many ways by various agencies outside of yoga. In this regard, yoga teachers don’t have any advantages. Please invite her to discuss this with us here.
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Cobra Breath – a proprietary or otherwise commercial pranayama which is supposedly the most advanced meditation on earth – Babaji – both things in one word – bullshit. The only reason they can’t tell you more about the technique on any of their webpages is that it can be summed up in one sentence or paragraph, then what would they charge you for. If Babaji cared so much for the people of the world he would give it away like I have my techniques at http://members.cox.net/l-v-x/ under meditations. Abused children often dissociate from their limiting personality as a way to heal – conflicting emotions may be very huge and terrifying. Witnessing silence of consciousness and dissociation have some common characteristics and often abused people turn to spiritual techniques and find great affinity for various yogas. This is quite alright. The actual personality is not one specific integrated whole. It’s a series of dependent fragments all sewn together like a sheet. We think a sheet is a thing but its actually many things, many fibres in a weave. I don’t care to push this analogy. The main point I’m making is that one can find themself fully engaged in the same silent awareness through many many means, some joyful as in yoga, and some extremely painful like torture and abuse. The difference is really more in the way the relative person deals with the experience, in an either integrating or an escapist way. But whenever one has to transcend an experience there’s only two ways to go, towards more consciousness, or less. It sounds like you have become more conscious through your life experience. It’s certainly totally unnessary and impossible to discern exactly where and why one becomes the way they are. Karma is too vast to be summed up by any intellect. Should a universe full of computers make trillions of calculations per millisecond for your entire life they all together would still not understand a Van Gogh painting. So all thought is bound to have limits. When the thought stops then one is natural in themself. If at this point you feel energy flow then it is the awareness itself, moving within itself. This is a fairly evolved experience, though not uncommon. It becomes more valuable when place in spiritual context, but only because the intellect is what assigns value. The experience of energy in oneself is just about being. It really doesn’t mean anything. However it can be a force of positivity and change because it dissolves and unifies differences. It’s also called the sambogakaya in Budhism.
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| Does anyone have any insight on a burning energy that you can feel | inside | yourself… almost a wave of energy, flowing up from your groin to the | top | of your chest??? | | This energy is your unstable identity with the body. If you choose to | do a hard physical work, your identification with the body will be | completed. If you choose dereflexation – Bhagavan Kriya, your | identification will be elevated to the spiritual perception of life. | | | Bhagavan Kriya-Dereflexation-Learn it NOW! | | Your will to neutralize the shadow of an inherited breathing reflex is | a direct manifestation of God on Earth. By controlling your breathing | (KKY), you will control your thoughts to recover your divine and | eternal identity. To be alive without the body is to be recollected | and confirmed by You. | | Narayana | | [snipped links] | | Hmmmm. Not to try and discredit you, but I showed your response to my | friend/teacher and this is what she responded with…. | | how bizarre. your question is an good one, and one anyone involved in yoga | should be able to answer immediately, but their answer is really totally off | track. yoga is supposed to foster that kind of energy. that’s the point of | it. to call it unstable identity with the body is really strange. i would | guess they haven’t come close to experiencing kundalini, and don’t want to | admit that someone else may be more advanced. | Thanks. | | Darren | | |
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [snip] Well… if you met her… you might change your tune. I’ve never met a person like her, ever. Hero worship aside, if she believes she is more advanced than any other, whether or not they do yoga, she is deluding herself. Yoga teachers have this problem. That is, being a yoga teacher is just as illusory as being a student, or a street person for that matter. Coming to understand oneself as they really are has very little to do with advancing or being advanced. It’s much more a discovery of what was always there. While it’s true that there is a accompanying establishment of clarity, this can come in many ways by various agencies outside of yoga. In this regard, yoga teachers don’t have any advantages. Please invite her to discuss this with us here.
Jody… I don’t think she believes she is better, or more advanced than anyone. I did send what you said to her and this is what she responded with… interesting response. i know what she means. i wonder why she is doing yoga, though, considering that is the goal of it traditionally? does she think that being without ego is more advanced? I wrote and asked – who knows? should i post what you said and wait and find out? – and then received this…. couldn’t hurt i guess. i really sympathize with her response. i don’t like the way people look at enlightment either. advancement as far as energies go has to do with such things as having cleared chakras, opened channels, the rise of kundalini, etc, things that are specifically taught in yoga as being something worth attaining in order to be a more balanced person. if yogis didn’ think pranayama and fasting and meditating etc would advance them, they wouldn’t spend so much effort doing it, yet i don’t see it as an ego venture, particularly. i think the ego has more sway over us when we are unbalanced and the energies are stuck and muddy than when we become cleaner conduits for energy. Thanks for having patience with this. Again, I’m new to this and unltimately I just want to be who I was intended to be and I want to be loving and helpful to others. :) Darren
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have any insight on a burning energy that you can feel inside yourself… almost a wave of energy, flowing up from your groin to the top of your chest??? This energy is your unstable identity with the body. If you choose to do a hard physical work, your identification with the body will be completed. If you choose dereflexation – Bhagavan Kriya, your identification will be elevated to the spiritual perception of life. Bhagavan Kriya-Dereflexation-Learn it NOW! Your will to neutralize the shadow of an inherited breathing reflex is a direct manifestation of God on Earth. By controlling your breathing (KKY), you will control your thoughts to recover your divine and eternal identity. To be alive without the body is to be recollected and confirmed by You. Narayana
[snipped links] Hmmmm. Not to try and discredit you, but I showed your response to my friend/teacher and this is what she responded with…. how bizarre. your question is an good one, and one anyone involved in yoga should be able to answer immediately, but their answer is really totally off track. yoga is supposed to foster that kind of energy. that’s the point of it. to call it unstable identity with the body is really strange. i would guess they haven’t come close to experiencing kundalini, and don’t want to admit that someone else may be more advanced. Thanks. Darren
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | | Does anyone have any insight on a burning energy that you can feel | inside | yourself… almost a wave of energy, flowing up from your groin to the | top | of your chest??? | | This energy is your unstable identity with the body. If you choose to | do a hard physical work, your identification with the body will be | completed. If you choose dereflexation – Bhagavan Kriya, your | identification will be elevated to the spiritual perception of life. | | | Bhagavan Kriya-Dereflexation-Learn it NOW! | | Your will to neutralize the shadow of an inherited breathing reflex is | a direct manifestation of God on Earth. By controlling your breathing | (KKY), you will control your thoughts to recover your divine and | eternal identity. To be alive without the body is to be recollected | and confirmed by You. | | Narayana | [snipped links] | | Wow. Huh? I guess I have some researching to do… cause I’m kinda lost. | | Thank you. | | Darren | |
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have to disagree with our esteemed (not) Narayana, who’s name means "God." Not humble yet full of bull go figure. Well, as hapens sometimes, the answer is in the question. It’s energy. Mental energy. We all have these currents of energy but most people don’t have enough silence within to actually feel them. Or if they do they haven’t ever conceptualized it to the level of understanding. My belief is that if this experience is fairly constant then you have achieved what is called in Buddhism, "stream-enterer," which is like saying that your mind has become engaged on a level of formless bliss. It could be that your kundalini is enlivened on a conscious level. I just asked about drugs because the experience should be one of flowing bliss, but often many people have awakened their kundalini through acid or exstacy and now they don’t really know what to do with their newfound awareness of the flowing energy of pure consciousness. In that case it can be a rough experience. Also, it can just be rough for the first few years you have the experience until the psychic channels are clear. Then the experience is one of bliss, as it is the mind flowing like during creativity – the mind is expanding and the flow is merely the experience of the boundaries dissolving. It’s a good thing. Worry not. In fact, the best advice I can give is to relax into it and let it flow unobstructed. The firey feeling will pass and bliss will replace it . It’s true that you can do stuff to quieted it like excercise, eat meat, etc, but generally if you can let it go then it’s evolutionary. Are there experiences of peace or joy concurrent?
Hmmm… your first statement coincides with my friend/teacher. I showed her the response from Narayana and this is what she says… how bizarre. your question is an good one, and one anyone involved in yoga should be able to answer immediately, but their answer is really totally off track. yoga is supposed to foster that kind of energy. that’s the point of it. to call it unstable identity with the body is really strange. i would guess they haven’t come close to experiencing kundalini, and don’t want to admit that someone else may be more advanced. Back to your response now… I did use acid for a bit… my last vacation (trip – lol) was 10/1990. But again… I can remember this a long way back. I was severely mentally and physically abused as a child by both of my parents, maybe that had something to do with it? Interesting response. Thank you. Yes, I have feelings of peace and joy, a lot! It often pushes me to sing here at home… but usually not many words, just sounds. A strange energy to me, it is. I can muster energy from nowhere it seems. Able to keep going and going, when it comes to hiking or biking, etc… I just want to learn. I want to be able to respond with love instead of the knee jerk reactionary hate, that we as a society seem to be programmed with. Do you recommend and specific yoga videos? I’m not able to practice yoga with my friend/teacher yet… 
All I can say is that I hope the whole world can get past this hate stuff. We just all need to be nice and thoughtful and helpful and loving. :-) Peace not pieces. Darren Ps. Sorry if I’ve left anything out. I get kinda spacey still… but it’s wearing off thanks to cutting out the smoking. (I’d been smoking herb to ease the muscle tension from 2 accidents.) That’s another thing… it almost seems like something does not want me to succeed. ??? Have a great day.
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[snip] how bizarre. your question is an good one, and one anyone involved in yoga should be able to answer immediately, but their answer is really totally off track. yoga is supposed to foster that kind of energy. that’s the point of it. to call it unstable identity with the body is really strange. i would guess they haven’t come close to experiencing kundalini, and don’t want to admit that someone else may be more advanced. Thanks. Darren
Your friend’s idea that he/she can "advance" along some avenue, with enlightenment being at the end of that road is keeping him/her firmly bound to their ego. That is, there is nowhere to advance to, and thinking there is will keep a person from ever getting where they think they want to be.
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I have to disagree with our esteemed (not) Narayana, who’s name means "God." Not humble yet full of bull go figure. Well, as hapens sometimes, the answer is in the question. It’s energy. Mental energy. We all have these currents of energy but most people don’t have enough silence within to actually feel them. Or if they do they haven’t ever conceptualized it to the level of understanding. My belief is that if this experience is fairly constant then you have achieved what is called in Buddhism, "stream-enterer," which is like saying that your mind has become engaged on a level of formless bliss. It could be that your kundalini is enlivened on a conscious level. I just asked about drugs because the experience should be one of flowing bliss, but often many people have awakened their kundalini through acid or exstacy and now they don’t really know what to do with their newfound awareness of the flowing energy of pure consciousness. In that case it can be a rough experience. Also, it can just be rough for the first few years you have the experience until the psychic channels are clear. Then the experience is one of bliss, as it is the mind flowing like during creativity – the mind is expanding and the flow is merely the experience of the boundaries dissolving. It’s a good thing. Worry not. In fact, the best advice I can give is to relax into it and let it flow unobstructed. The firey feeling will pass and bliss will replace it . It’s true that you can do stuff to quieted it like excercise, eat meat, etc, but generally if you can let it go then it’s evolutionary. Are there experiences of peace or joy concurrent?
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| Does anyone have any insight on a burning energy that you can feel | inside | yourself… almost a wave of energy, flowing up from your groin to the | top | of your chest??? | | This energy is your unstable identity with the body. If you choose to | do a hard physical work, your identification with the body will be | completed. If you choose dereflexation – Bhagavan Kriya, your | identification will be elevated to the spiritual perception of life. | | | Bhagavan Kriya-Dereflexation-Learn it NOW! | | Your will to neutralize the shadow of an inherited breathing reflex is | a direct manifestation of God on Earth. By controlling your breathing | (KKY), you will control your thoughts to recover your divine and | eternal identity. To be alive without the body is to be recollected | and confirmed by You. | | Narayana | | UK http://kky.v21hosting.co.uk/index.html | | Europe: http://members.lycos.co.uk/kkyoga/ | | USA: http://kkyoga.netfirms.com | | Russia: http://newkriya.boom.ru/ | | German: http://kky.v21hosting.co.uk/phgerman.html | | | Wow. Huh? I guess I have some researching to do… cause I’m kinda lost. | | Thank you. | | Darren | |
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have any insight on a burning energy that you can feel inside yourself… almost a wave of energy, flowing up from your groin to the top of your chest??? This energy is your unstable identity with the body. If you choose to do a hard physical work, your identification with the body will be completed. If you choose dereflexation – Bhagavan Kriya, your identification will be elevated to the spiritual perception of life. Bhagavan Kriya-Dereflexation-Learn it NOW! Your will to neutralize the shadow of an inherited breathing reflex is a direct manifestation of God on Earth. By controlling your breathing (KKY), you will control your thoughts to recover your divine and eternal identity. To be alive without the body is to be recollected and confirmed by You. Narayana UK http://kky.v21hosting.co.uk/index.html Europe: http://members.lycos.co.uk/kkyoga/ USA: http://kkyoga.netfirms.com Russia: http://newkriya.boom.ru/ German: http://kky.v21hosting.co.uk/phgerman.html
Wow. Huh? I guess I have some researching to do… cause I’m kinda lost. Thank you. Darren
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I am new to Yoga and pretty much all the rest of the enlightening practices… so excuse me if the question seems funny. 
Does anyone have any insight on a burning energy that you can feel inside yourself… almost a wave of energy, flowing up from your groin to the top of your chest??? Thanks. Darren
Oh yeah… I have ADHD (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder) if that helps.
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Does anyone have any insight on a burning energy that you can feel inside yourself… almost a wave of energy, flowing up from your groin to the top of your chest???
This energy is your unstable identity with the body. If you choose to do a hard physical work, your identification with the body will be completed. If you choose dereflexation – Bhagavan Kriya, your identification will be elevated to the spiritual perception of life. Bhagavan Kriya-Dereflexation-Learn it NOW! Your will to neutralize the shadow of an inherited breathing reflex is a direct manifestation of God on Earth. By controlling your breathing (KKY), you will control your thoughts to recover your divine and eternal identity. To be alive without the body is to be recollected and confirmed by You. Narayana UK http://kky.v21hosting.co.uk/index.html Europe: http://members.lycos.co.uk/kkyoga/ USA: http://kkyoga.netfirms.com Russia: http://newkriya.boom.ru/ German: http://kky.v21hosting.co.uk/phgerman.html
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have you done recreational drugs? | I am new to Yoga and pretty much all the rest of the enlightening | practices… so excuse me if the question seems funny. | | Does anyone have any insight on a burning energy that you can feel inside | yourself… almost a wave of energy, flowing up from your groin to the top | of your chest??? | | | Thanks. | | Darren | |
Yes. It’s been there before that though. ???
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Have you done recreational drugs?
| I am new to Yoga and pretty much all the rest of the enlightening | practices… so excuse me if the question seems funny. | | Does anyone have any insight on a burning energy that you can feel inside | yourself… almost a wave of energy, flowing up from your groin to the top | of your chest??? | | | Thanks. | | Darren | |
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I am new to Yoga and pretty much all the rest of the enlightening practices… so excuse me if the question seems funny. Does anyone have any insight on a burning energy that you can feel inside yourself… almost a wave of energy, flowing up from your groin to the top of your chest??? Thanks. Darren
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Then you are even paid for it! Sat Nam – Hari Har Singh Good suggestions. I’ll probably take classes at some point when schedule permits. I was just looking for some general feel on how effective the tapes are. 
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