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http://www.jetblue.com

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http://www.jetblue.com

Wow!  I never would have guessed! — John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail

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get over it! what did they disclose? that you flew between point z and point y on a certain day? sure they shouldn’t have done it but what harm did it cause you? Ah, dude…  Social Security numbers?  Credit card numbers?  Five million people?

In all fairness, JB revealed names and addresses, the other info came from another source.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – get over it! what did they disclose? that you flew between point z and point y on a certain day? sure they shouldn’t have done it but what harm did it cause you? Ah, dude…  Social Security numbers?  Credit card numbers?  Five million people? ah dude, when did you ever give out your SS # to an airline? if you did you’re a fool

It didn’t come from the airline. Jet Blue provided name and address info. Based on this, another company supplied the SSN and credit info.

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feature DirecTV in the back of each seat and here in southern California, they depart from Long Beach airport (LGB) instead of LAX which makes for cheaper long-term parking and a much easier commute situation.  I think they even

have They also fly out of Ontario (ONT) in southern California.

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feature DirecTV in the back of each seat and here in southern California, they depart from Long Beach airport (LGB) instead of LAX which makes for cheaper long-term parking and a much easier commute situation.  I think they even have They also fly out of Ontario (ONT) in southern California.

Yep, the map is here http://www.jetblue.com/travelinfo/routemap.html Looks like they fly ONT to Dulles

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What more could you ask for?

Umm, respect for their customers’ privacy??

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OK so lets take the SAME information from a TELEPHONE BOOK and then they use the SAME SERVICE to add SSNs and what difference does it make?  Are people upset because it was an airline that gave a pax list to someone? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – get over it! what did they disclose? that you flew between point z and point y on a certain day? sure they shouldn’t have done it but what harm did it cause you? As per the Washington Post: "JetBlue gave Torch itinerary information on 1.5 million passengers along with their names, addresses and phone numbers in September 2002. Torch then used another service, Acxiom Corp., to add Social Security numbers, economic status, occupation and other information." Lots more than just itinerary is involved here. Julie — Julie Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm

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OK so lets take the SAME information from a TELEPHONE BOOK and then they use the SAME SERVICE to add SSNs and what difference does it make?  Are people upset because it was an airline that gave a pax list to someone?

The government has no business knowing/recording when I fly from Oakland to Long Beach. I am not a suspect in a crime.

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As my phone number is unlisted, it would make a difference to me.  The reason we are upset is that people give personal information out which they had had gathered in a situation where it was SUPPOSED to be private, and did not even inform the affected people about it. Julie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK so lets take the SAME information from a TELEPHONE BOOK and then they use the SAME SERVICE to add SSNs and what difference does it make?  Are people upset because it was an airline that gave a pax list to someone? get over it! what did they disclose? that you flew between point z and point y on a certain day? sure they shouldn’t have done it but what harm did it cause you? As per the Washington Post: "JetBlue gave Torch itinerary information on 1.5 million passengers along with their names, addresses and phone numbers in September 2002. Torch then used another service, Acxiom Corp., to add Social Security numbers, economic status, occupation and other information." Lots more than just itinerary is involved here. Julie — Julie Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm

– Julie Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm

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Torch then used another service, Acxiom Corp., to add Social Security numbers, economic status, occupation and other information."

I had a go around with Acxiom, when I wrote and asked how doing this square with their privacy policy. I got this back: Quote Acxiom takes seriously our responsibilities to protect the privacy of individuals. We are also committed to working with government agencies and their contractors to develop solutions that make our country safer. We cannot forget that the terrorist threat to our country has not been eliminated, and we believe that information plays a critical role in dealing with such threats. Acxiom did not violate our privacy policy in relation to the processing we performed for Torch Concepts under contract to the Department of Defense for a Proof of Concept program for the purposes of improving military base security. We acted in a manner that complied with applicable laws and with our published policy. Torch Concepts was acting under contract to the Department of Defense in their efforts to research ways to improve military base security. Our policy clearly states that we "provide information products which include financial information, Social Security Number and other related information where permitted by law" and that this information is "provided to government agencies for the purposes of verifying information, employment screening and assisting law enforcement." Thank you for allowing us a chance to explain what happened. If you have any further questions or need clarification regarding this matter please let me know and I will be happy to assist you.                 Thank you, Unquote My answer was that they must regard the DOD as a law enforcement agency and/or believe that a government contractor is a government agency.  No answer yet. I love the obligatory vow to security.

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Any west coast flight from Ft. Lauderale means going to NY then on to the coast. Not very attractive from here. Eric

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:Any west coast flight from Ft. Lauderale means going to NY then on to :the coast. Not very attractive from here. Depends if you have more time or money. — http://www.dissensoftware.com

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Jet Blue  http://www.jetblue.com Any opinion on this airline? they start servicing boston in January 2004.

Hi, Kenny– IMO, they’re a fine airline.  They’re cheap, fly brand new Airbus jet aircraft and are starting to remove a few seats in some of them from what I hear, feature DirecTV in the back of each seat and here in southern California, they depart from Long Beach airport (LGB) instead of LAX which makes for cheaper long-term parking and a much easier commute situation.  I think they even have a frequent flyer program called TrueBlue. I am saying this as an AA customer, however.  As your caviat, there is no such thing as 2 or 3 class service; the entire cabin is one class (the marketing folk at jetBlue would have you believe the whole plane is first class, hehe; the seats Are nice).  But yeah, they serve no food and fly to like 19 or so cities for now so you’re not going to get the kind of flexibility with their frequent flyer program as you might with say MileagePlus or AAdvantage (who I use). B6 like SWA do not fly internationally. Kenny

– Los Angeles, CA – http://www.base-ix.com/~dlombard/ Base-IX Communications, coming 2004

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There is good airline food on some airlines..

Yeah, I LOVE the food on AA (and even Air Canada).  :) — Los Angeles, CA – http://www.base-ix.com/~dlombard/ Base-IX Communications, coming 2004

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get over it! what did they disclose? that you flew between point z and point y on a certain day? sure they shouldn’t have done it but what harm did it cause you?

Ah, dude…  Social Security numbers?  Credit card numbers?  Five million people? I would classify that as a MAJOR F up. It’s nice jetBlue copped to it, but I think people have a right to be pissed. — Los Angeles, CA – http://www.base-ix.com/~dlombard/ Base-IX Communications, coming 2004

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There is good airline food on some airlines.. Yeah, I LOVE the food on AA (and even Air Canada).  :)

I eat it, even the ice cream sundaes

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I’ve flown Jet Blue, it was fine, but their privacy breach really bothers me. get over it! what did they disclose? that you flew between point z and point y on a certain day? sure they shouldn’t have done it but what harm did it cause you?

This,  ladies and gentlemen, is the paradigm of the"well-informed, involved" voter who has never heard of Patriot I or Patriot II upcoming; who says "duh" when you mention the Wolfowitz-Perle "Plan for the Next Century"; who hunkers down and kisses *** when the Administration tries to ram through its "Total Awareness" program; who thinks it’s kewl to trade away our  civil liberties enshrined in the Bill of Rights for  phony security; who doubtless thinks it’s so macho to kick ass in a rundown, poverty-stricken country that never threatened us. As Churchill (or somebody) said:  "Democracy is not a very good system, but it’s better than all the others." So I guess he does get to vote… — Voter —

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – get over it! what did they disclose? that you flew between point z and point y on a certain day? sure they shouldn’t have done it but what harm did it cause you? As per the Washington Post: "JetBlue gave Torch itinerary information on 1.5 million passengers along with their names, addresses and phone numbers in September 2002. Torch then used another service, Acxiom Corp., to add Social Security numbers, economic status, occupation and other information." Lots more than just itinerary is involved here.

I agree. Even if it was my name and itinerary, it is NOT the business of the government if I want to fly to Paris, Moscow, or Denver.

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get over it! what did they disclose? that you flew between point z and point y on a certain day? sure they shouldn’t have done it but what harm did it cause you?

As per the Washington Post: "JetBlue gave Torch itinerary information on 1.5 million passengers along with their names, addresses and phone numbers in September 2002. Torch then used another service, Acxiom Corp., to add Social Security numbers, economic status, occupation and other information." Lots more than just itinerary is involved here. Julie — Julie Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm

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Jet Blue  http://www.jetblue.com Any opinion on this airline? they start servicing boston in January 2004. New planes, cheap prices, leather seats with a direct TV receiver. And no annoying food service.  I much prefer taking a sandwich and/or a bag of apples aboard than try and stomach airline food. What more could you ask for?

One that does not sell its customers’ personal information to defense contractors without their permission? I’ve flown Jet Blue, it was fine, but their privacy breach really bothers me. — Julie Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm

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I love the cards that recommend yoga stretches you can do during the flight.

Anyone remember Plane Aerobics on Northwest in the 1980s? miguel — Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu Site remodeled 10-Sept-2003: Hundreds of new photos, easier navigation.

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Jet Blue  http://www.jetblue.com Any opinion on this airline? they start servicing boston in January 2004.

New planes, cheap prices, leather seats with a direct TV receiver. And no annoying food service.  I much prefer taking a sandwich and/or a bag of apples aboard than try and stomach airline food. What more could you ask for?

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Jet Blue  http://www.jetblue.com Any opinion on this airline? they start servicing boston in January 2004. New planes, cheap prices, leather seats with a direct TV receiver. And no annoying food service.  I much prefer taking a sandwich and/or a bag of apples aboard than try and stomach airline food.

There is good airline food on some airlines..

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Jet Blue  http://www.jetblue.com Any opinion on this airline? they start servicing boston in January 2004. Thanks Kenny

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Jet Blue  http://www.jetblue.com Any opinion on this airline? they start servicing boston in January 2004.

We’ve flown Jet Blue from Rochester, NY to Florida, New York, and California. We love them!!! Great service, comfortable seats, closed circuit television on the back of each seat, and Blue Chips! Unfortunately, now we’re in San Antonio and have no Jet Blue (sigh!) April G.

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We’ve flown Jet Blue from Rochester, NY to Florida, New York, and California. We love them!!! Great service, comfortable seats, closed circuit television on the back of each seat,

DirecTV, actually. and Blue Chips!

Cookies, tortilla chips, or stocks? I love the cards that recommend yoga stretches you can do during the flight. Especially the little comments after each set of instructions, such as, "As the mind is brought into stillness, you will feel stable, yet tranquil…almost as if you’re flying. Oh wait, you are flying. Well, see, it’s working already." (I haven’t flown JetBlue; I saw the yoga cards on their web site.) Patty

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Would you recommend them on a transcon route like JFK-OAK? Yes.  But do remember that they only serve snacks and drinks, so bring your own if you want to eat something more.

        I know most people talk about leg room, but I’m more concerned about width. Do you have a sense of whether the seats are wider or narrower, relative to other transcontinental flights?         Thanks!         — Ethan

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: Would you recommend them on a transcon route like JFK-OAK? : : Yes.  But do remember that they only serve snacks and drinks, so bring : your own if you want to eat something more. : :       I know most people talk about leg room, but I’m more concerned : about width. Do you have a sense of whether the seats are wider or : narrower, relative to other transcontinental flights? I’m a tall guy and I agree.  I worry much less about leg room than about fighting with the person next to me for the arm rest! Andrew — —- Portland, Oregon, USA <—-  —- http://www.bizave.com  <—- Photo Albums and Portland Info  —- To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address

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The Jetblue seats are NOT wide.   They *are* leather and comfortable, but I wouldn’t relish a transcon flight in them.   I only flew JFK-Rochester RT. The DirecTV is quite cool.   The crew is very nice, enthusiastic and helpful.    Planes are immaculate. Eric

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Would you recommend them on a transcon route like JFK-OAK? : : Yes.  But do remember that they only serve snacks and drinks, so bring : your own if you want to eat something more. : : I know most people talk about leg room, but I’m more concerned : about width. Do you have a sense of whether the seats are wider or : narrower, relative to other transcontinental flights? I’m a tall guy and I agree.  I worry much less about leg room than about fighting with the person next to me for the arm rest! Andrew — —- Portland, Oregon, USA <—-  —- http://www.bizave.com  <—- Photo Albums and Portland Info  —- To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address

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I flew JetBlue into JFK in September and they were in the new terminal then I think. They are very friendly indeed and the service is better than any airline I have been on all year. You just can’t beat the leather seats and the DirecTV!

Would you recommend them on a transcon route like JFK-OAK? — Rob

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Intelligence and breast size are not related in any way.   But posters seem to think there is an inverse relationship.   She’s got big breasts, therefore she can’t know what she’s talking about. Her intelligence seems to be about par for the course of golf announcers. Actually, intelligence of the viewer seems to be inversely related to the breast size of the person being viewed.

She is actually quite competent when discussing yoga stretches for golf. Unfortunately, that skill isn’t relevant at all to The Big Break.  The only reason for her was to be eye candy.  On the early shows when it wasn’t raining, she made a point to stand sideways so we could get a full profile view. Like it or not, though, it worked!

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Taters?  Hmmmm…..well, anyway, I wonder if Katherine will be on The Big Break II (coming Fall 2004)?

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Taters?  Hmmmm…..well, anyway, I wonder if Katherine will be on The Big Break II (coming Fall 2004)?

As much as I enjoy looking at her, I really would not want to see

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All the matters is Katherine Roberts taterssssssssssssssssssssssssss

You want fries with that?

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Intelligence and breast size are not related in any way.   But posters seem to think there is an inverse relationship.   She’s got big breasts, therefore she can’t know what she’s talking about. Her intelligence seems to be about par for the course of golf announcers. Actually, intelligence of the viewer seems to be inversely related to the breast size of the person being viewed.

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Actually, intelligence of the viewer seems to be inversely related to the breast size of the person being viewed.

I don’t think so Howard or Phil would be more popular here. Bruce                   Bruce E. Newman  *  Fredericton, NB, Canada                                 http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=newmanb              info at brucenewman dot com  *  http://brucenewman.com

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Actually, intelligence of the viewer seems to be inversely related to the breast size of the person being viewed.

LOL J

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All the matters is Katherine Roberts taterssssssssssssssssssssssssss a round with her!!!!!! Personally, I think all this talk about Katherine Roberts is kind of ridiculous. I that’s all you’re interested in is her "taters"

Larry! You think we’re only intested in her "taters" ???? Noooooooooooo Really? go get a couple of balloons. I get the feeling that talking to her for any length of time would be about the same.

What make you think I want to talk to her at all….. I better shut up now or someone will say I am trying to prove that I am not gay……

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All the matters is Katherine Roberts taterssssssssssssssssssssssssss a round with her!!!!!!

Or give her a hug evberytime you hit a shot…… BTW, when you and Katherine are on the tee box, please stand far away from her, or she might knock you out with her "tarters" when she made that yoga ultra flexable swing….. ) Kenny

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All the matters is Katherine Roberts taterssssssssssssssssssssssssss a round with her!!!!!!

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All the matters is Katherine Roberts taterssssssssssssssssssssssssss a round with her!!!!!!

Personally, I think all this talk about Katherine Roberts is kind of ridiculous. I that’s all you’re interested in is her "taters", go get a couple of balloons. I get the feeling that talking to her for any length of time would be about the same. Larry

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Give him a muzzle and get her the hell off of there…..

TGC is paying her to just stand there a push her chest out…..

keep her though.  It helps me get through the more boring parts of the show. Cheers!  I love your humor! For their sake, if they are going – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – to play in the rain, at least make her wear a nice white t-shirt.  ;-) I do like tuning into this show occasionally, but they should get some real announcers/commentators that can bring a bit more life to the game. Getting someone like Gary McCord could be a good start. Just my opinion. Lee Except she’s not easy on the eyes.  I really don’t understand why some folks on this list ogle her, unless they think big hoots override everything else. Rick Smith has an interest int the resort which hosted the event.  He also is one of the premier teacher/coaches in the business (Rocco Mediate is a client).  He obviously isn’t an announcer although he has worked as a walking commentator during golf broadcasts (ABC I think).  Katherine appears to be eye candy. rw I’ve never seen the show before and just caught the last 15 minutes of it last night. It was a putting contest in the rain between 3 finalists. The contest between the young golfers was mildly interesting but who was the moron announcer under the umbrella and the bimbo next to him? The guy’s entire contribution was to constantly repeat two remarks, grossly overstating the incredibly obvious. Before each shot:  "He’s gotta make this." After each missed shot:  "That was close." And the ditz beside him hung on his every word like biblical pronouncements. I realize there’s not a hell of a lot to say while watching a putting contest but sometimes nothing need be said.  Thank God for volume control. -JR

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Does anybody know if she is a blonde, has two ears, two eyes, a nose, mouth …

 she’s definately got two of something…… me

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Peter Oosterhaus is a regular moonlighter on TGC pre-game telecasts. rw

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – McCord works for CBS. Does your boss allow you to moonlight for your competitor? Give him a muzzle and get her the hell off of there…..TGC is paying her to just stand there a push her chest out…..For their sake, if they are going to play in the rain, at least make her wear a nice white t-shirt.  ;-) I do like tuning into this show occasionally, but they should get some real announcers/commentators that can bring a bit more life to the game. Getting someone like Gary McCord could be a good start. Just my opinion. Lee

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Give him a muzzle and get her the hell off of there…..TGC is paying her to

The way I see it, this is a no-budget production to fill time on a low-revenue cable channel involving no-name talent and golfers who hadn’t been able to get onto any tour and had time and inclination to expose their weaknesses on the previously described television show. It’s already on tape, and there’s no changing it. But it’s also a hit, relative to what could have been expected, so it’ll probably go one of two ways next time around: 1) either they’ll keep these two presenters, because they’re bought into the package (and too bad if it’ll piss you off, they have about 800,000 other viewers to work with). 2) everyone involved will realize the standup talent are a hole in the concept, and they will be replaced with people who deserve the camera time.                                 –Blair                                   "Now all I need is a sucker to take the bet."

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McCord was supposed to be an example of a decent entertaining announcer. L

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – McCord works for CBS. Does your boss allow you to moonlight for your competitor? Give him a muzzle and get her the hell off of there…..TGC is paying her to just stand there a push her chest out…..For their sake, if they are going to play in the rain, at least make her wear a nice white t-shirt.  ;-) I do like tuning into this show occasionally, but they should get some real announcers/commentators that can bring a bit more life to the game. Getting someone like Gary McCord could be a good start. Just my opinion. Lee

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McCord works for CBS. Does your boss allow you to moonlight for your competitor?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Give him a muzzle and get her the hell off of there…..TGC is paying her to just stand there a push her chest out…..For their sake, if they are going to play in the rain, at least make her wear a nice white t-shirt.  ;-) I do like tuning into this show occasionally, but they should get some real announcers/commentators that can bring a bit more life to the game. Getting someone like Gary McCord could be a good start. Just my opinion. Lee

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Does anybody know if she is a blonde, has two ears, two eyes, a nose, mouth …

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Except she’s not easy on the eyes.  I really don’t understand why some folks on this list ogle her, unless they think big hoots override everything else.

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I think McCord has better things to do. Like announce/commentate for video games (TW Golf 2004) Bryan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Give him a muzzle and get her the hell off of there…..TGC is paying her to just stand there a push her chest out…..For their sake, if they are going to play in the rain, at least make her wear a nice white t-shirt.  ;-) I do like tuning into this show occasionally, but they should get some real announcers/commentators that can bring a bit more life to the game. Getting someone like Gary McCord could be a good start. Just my opinion. Lee Except she’s not easy on the eyes.  I really don’t understand why some folks on this list ogle her, unless they think big hoots override everything else. Rick Smith has an interest int the resort which hosted the event.  He also is one of the premier teacher/coaches in the business (Rocco Mediate is a client).  He obviously isn’t an announcer although he has worked as a walking commentator during golf broadcasts (ABC I think).  Katherine appears to be eye candy. rw I’ve never seen the show before and just caught the last 15 minutes of it last night. It was a putting contest in the rain between 3 finalists. The contest between the young golfers was mildly interesting but who was the moron announcer under the umbrella and the bimbo next to him? The guy’s entire contribution was to constantly repeat two remarks, grossly overstating the incredibly obvious. Before each shot:  "He’s gotta make this." After each missed shot:  "That was close." And the ditz beside him hung on his every word like biblical pronouncements. I realize there’s not a hell of a lot to say while watching a putting contest but sometimes nothing need be said.  Thank God for volume control. -JR

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Give him a muzzle and get her the hell off of there…..TGC is paying her to just stand there a push her chest out…..For their sake, if they are going to play in the rain, at least make her wear a nice white t-shirt.  ;-) I do like tuning into this show occasionally, but they should get some real announcers/commentators that can bring a bit more life to the game.  Getting someone like Gary McCord could be a good start. Just my opinion. Lee

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Except she’s not easy on the eyes.  I really don’t understand why some folks on this list ogle her, unless they think big hoots override everything else. Rick Smith has an interest int the resort which hosted the event.  He also is one of the premier teacher/coaches in the business (Rocco Mediate is a client).  He obviously isn’t an announcer although he has worked as a walking commentator during golf broadcasts (ABC I think).  Katherine appears to be eye candy. rw I’ve never seen the show before and just caught the last 15 minutes of it last night. It was a putting contest in the rain between 3 finalists. The contest between the young golfers was mildly interesting but who was the moron announcer under the umbrella and the bimbo next to him? The guy’s entire contribution was to constantly repeat two remarks, grossly overstating the incredibly obvious. Before each shot:  "He’s gotta make this." After each missed shot:  "That was close." And the ditz beside him hung on his every word like biblical pronouncements. I realize there’s not a hell of a lot to say while watching a putting contest but sometimes nothing need be said.  Thank God for volume control. -JR

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Except she’s not easy on the eyes.  I really don’t understand why some folks on this list ogle her, unless they think big hoots override everything else.

That’s why.   But virtually all women are easy on my eyes.

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Except she’s not easy on the eyes.  I really don’t understand why some folks on this list ogle her, unless they think big hoots override everything else. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rick Smith has an interest int the resort which hosted the event.  He also is one of the premier teacher/coaches in the business (Rocco Mediate is a client).  He obviously isn’t an announcer although he has worked as a walking commentator during golf broadcasts (ABC I think).  Katherine appears to be eye candy. rw I’ve never seen the show before and just caught the last 15 minutes of it last night. It was a putting contest in the rain between 3 finalists. The contest between the young golfers was mildly interesting but who was the moron announcer under the umbrella and the bimbo next to him? The guy’s entire contribution was to constantly repeat two remarks, grossly overstating the incredibly obvious. Before each shot:  "He’s gotta make this." After each missed shot:  "That was close." And the ditz beside him hung on his every word like biblical pronouncements. I realize there’s not a hell of a lot to say while watching a putting contest but sometimes nothing need be said.  Thank God for volume control. -JR

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The contest between the young golfers was mildly interesting but who was the moron announcer under the umbrella and the bimbo next to him?

The announcer is some teaching pro named Rick something or other. I guess he works at the Treetops Resort where this event is staged. The "bimbo" is a large busted gal named Katherine that works at The Yoga.  I think that must be a local club that is located near the resort. She must have been placed in that position for the entertainment value rather than golf expertise. {8^)

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Rick Smith has an interest int the resort which hosted the event.  He also is one of the premier teacher/coaches in the business (Rocco Mediate is a client).  He obviously isn’t an announcer although he has worked as a walking commentator during golf broadcasts (ABC I think).  Katherine appears to be eye candy. rw

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve never seen the show before and just caught the last 15 minutes of it last night. It was a putting contest in the rain between 3 finalists. The contest between the young golfers was mildly interesting but who was the moron announcer under the umbrella and the bimbo next to him? The guy’s entire contribution was to constantly repeat two remarks, grossly overstating the incredibly obvious. Before each shot:  "He’s gotta make this." After each missed shot:  "That was close." And the ditz beside him hung on his every word like biblical pronouncements. I realize there’s not a hell of a lot to say while watching a putting contest but sometimes nothing need be said.  Thank God for volume control. -JR

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I’ve never seen the show before and just caught the last 15 minutes of it last night. It was a putting contest in the rain between 3 finalists. The contest between the young golfers was mildly interesting but who was the moron announcer under the umbrella and the bimbo next to him? The guy’s entire contribution was to constantly repeat two remarks, grossly overstating the incredibly obvious. Before each shot:  "He’s gotta make this." After each missed shot:  "That was close." And the ditz beside him hung on his every word like biblical pronouncements. I realize there’s not a hell of a lot to say while watching a putting contest but sometimes nothing need be said.  Thank God for volume control. -JR

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Hello everyone, I had recently posted asking about exercising and explaining how difficult some was getting to be because my knee was feeling worse.  (I’d fallen back in November and the pain seemed to go away until I started exercising regularly at the gym.)  I went on the stairmaster a couple weeks ago and was off in less than 5 minutes in tears and could barely stand – I sat on the floor next to it afterwards).  So my doctor had me go for an MRI and I just got the results this morning and am feeling really down. The results show I have damage to my meniscus, there’s a tear in part and the signs of wearing away in another.  Also, behind the kneecap it showed signs that my cartilage was being worn away.  She doesn’t think it will heal on its own and recommended a few orthopedic surgeons.  I have an appointment with one surgeon on the 18th of this month and one with another Sept. 15. I’m hoping at best maybe I still won’t need surgery (that’s the big chicken in me talking) or at worst I’ll need arthroscopic (spelling?) surgery that’s supposed to be easier. So I need some extra motivation right now because this has me really down. I’m trying to convince myself I can continue working on my arms, chest and abs until I know exactly what I should and shouldn’t do because of my knee, but I weigh-in tomorrow and since I haven’t been able to do much, I’m so afraid it will show a gain and then I’ll feel even more discouraged. *sigh* Thanks in advance for any motivating words. Lisa (Chicago area) Down 90, 60(?) more to go.

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The results show I have damage to my meniscus, there’s a tear in part and the signs of wearing away in another.  Also, behind the kneecap it showed signs that my cartilage was being worn away.  She doesn’t think it will heal on its own and recommended a few orthopedic surgeons.  I have an appointment with one surgeon on the 18th of this month and one with another Sept. 15. I’m hoping at best maybe I still won’t need surgery (that’s the big chicken in me talking) or at worst I’ll need arthroscopic (spelling?) surgery that’s supposed to be easier.

I had exactly the same problem as you, back in 1988–torn meniscus and wearing down of the bone. I got ’scoped, was off crutches in 5 days, and was back playing sports within three weeks. Don’t worry about it, as far as surgeries go, it’s pretty easy. But I still hope you don’t have to have it! Just don’t keep limping around on a bad knee because you fear the surgery–it *will* make you better. –jd — 239/177 Jan. 1999 – April 2000 228/218/159 July 2003 – ???

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Thanks, JD.  I don’t want to keep limping around on it, it’s too painful. Whatever I have to have done, I will asap.  I just don’t want this to negatively affect my progress. I’m glad you recovered and were back doing what you enjoy so quickly. That’s great information. Thanks again, Lisa

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The results show I have damage to my meniscus, there’s a tear in part and the signs of wearing away in another.  Also, behind the kneecap it showed signs that my cartilage was being worn away.  She doesn’t think it will heal on its own and recommended a few orthopedic surgeons.  I have an appointment with one surgeon on the 18th of this month and one with another Sept. 15. I’m hoping at best maybe I still won’t need surgery (that’s the big chicken in me talking) or at worst I’ll need arthroscopic (spelling?) surgery that’s supposed to be easier. I had exactly the same problem as you, back in 1988–torn meniscus and wearing down of the bone. I got ’scoped, was off crutches in 5 days, and was back playing sports within three weeks. Don’t worry about it, as far as surgeries go, it’s pretty easy. But I still hope you don’t have to have it! Just don’t keep limping around on a bad knee because you fear the surgery–it *will* make you better. –jd — 239/177 Jan. 1999 – April 2000 228/218/159 July 2003 – ???

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Sorry to hear about the knee, Lisa.  As jd said in another post don’t put off the surgery if it’s needed.  Hang in there and don’t worry about the weigh in – you’ll do fine. Beverly

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello everyone, I had recently posted asking about exercising and explaining how difficult some was getting to be because my knee was feeling worse.  (I’d fallen back in November and the pain seemed to go away until I started exercising regularly at the gym.)  I went on the stairmaster a couple weeks ago and was off in less than 5 minutes in tears and could barely stand – I sat on the floor next to it afterwards).  So my doctor had me go for an MRI and I just got the results this morning and am feeling really down. The results show I have damage to my meniscus, there’s a tear in part and the signs of wearing away in another.  Also, behind the kneecap it showed signs that my cartilage was being worn away.  She doesn’t think it will heal on its own and recommended a few orthopedic surgeons.  I have an appointment with one surgeon on the 18th of this month and one with another Sept. 15. I’m hoping at best maybe I still won’t need surgery (that’s the big chicken in me talking) or at worst I’ll need arthroscopic (spelling?) surgery that’s supposed to be easier. So I need some extra motivation right now because this has me really down. I’m trying to convince myself I can continue working on my arms, chest and abs until I know exactly what I should and shouldn’t do because of my knee, but I weigh-in tomorrow and since I haven’t been able to do much, I’m so afraid it will show a gain and then I’ll feel even more discouraged. *sigh* Thanks in advance for any motivating words. Lisa (Chicago area) Down 90, 60(?) more to go.

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So I need some extra motivation right now because this has me really down. I’m trying to convince myself I can continue working on my arms, chest and abs until I know exactly what I should and shouldn’t do because of my knee, but I weigh-in tomorrow and since I haven’t been able to do much, I’m so afraid it will show a gain and then I’ll feel even more discouraged. *sigh* Thanks in advance for any motivating words. Lisa (Chicago area) Down 90, 60(?) more to go.

You’ve made great progress so far and I understand your situation & feel for you.  My dad just had knee surgery and was up and around and exercising within weeks.  In the meanwhile, he recommended swimming if possible.  I can recommend sitting yoga stretches to stay flexible & moving.  Also try some dumbell work for the upper body.  Talk to your doctor or a physical therapist for other exercise options.  Hope this helps and good luck.  I’ll keep my fingers crossed for you. Jennifer (just a few hours north of you)

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Thanks, Beverly.  I’m not going to put it off if it’s my best option. Thanks for the positive strokes. Lisa

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry to hear about the knee, Lisa.  As jd said in another post don’t put off the surgery if it’s needed.  Hang in there and don’t worry about the weigh in – you’ll do fine. Beverly Hello everyone, I had recently posted asking about exercising and explaining how difficult some was getting to be because my knee was feeling worse.  (I’d fallen back in November and the pain seemed to go away until I started exercising regularly at the gym.)  I went on the stairmaster a couple weeks ago and was off in less than 5 minutes in tears and could barely stand – I sat on the floor next to it afterwards).  So my doctor had me go for an MRI and I just got the results this morning and am feeling really down. The results show I have damage to my meniscus, there’s a tear in part and the signs of wearing away in another.  Also, behind the kneecap it showed signs that my cartilage was being worn away.  She doesn’t think it will heal on its own and recommended a few orthopedic surgeons.  I have an appointment with one surgeon on the 18th of this month and one with another Sept. 15. I’m hoping at best maybe I still won’t need surgery (that’s the big chicken in me talking) or at worst I’ll need arthroscopic (spelling?) surgery that’s supposed to be easier. So I need some extra motivation right now because this has me really down. I’m trying to convince myself I can continue working on my arms, chest and abs until I know exactly what I should and shouldn’t do because of my knee, but I weigh-in tomorrow and since I haven’t been able to do much, I’m so afraid it will show a gain and then I’ll feel even more discouraged. *sigh* Thanks in advance for any motivating words. Lisa (Chicago area) Down 90, 60(?) more to go.

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Hi Jennifer, Thanks for sharing the information about your father’s experience.  It’s good to know others bounce back so quickly.  I’ve had these visions of having to lie prone in bed for weeks which are apparently wrong (thankfully!).  I have done a bit of swimming and believe it or not, even that bothers me – I just try to do it with moving the knee as little as possible.  I can’t wait to see the surgeon and get some ideas for what I can be doing and what I should avoid, hopefully he’ll recommend a physical therapist if he can’t give me that information. Thanks for the good wishes, I greatly appreciate them! BTW.. I’m about 30 minutes northwest of Chicago, so maybe you’re even closer to where I am. Lisa

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So I need some extra motivation right now because this has me really down. I’m trying to convince myself I can continue working on my arms, chest and abs until I know exactly what I should and shouldn’t do because of my knee, but I weigh-in tomorrow and since I haven’t been able to do much, I’m so afraid it will show a gain and then I’ll feel even more discouraged. *sigh* Thanks in advance for any motivating words. Lisa (Chicago area) Down 90, 60(?) more to go. You’ve made great progress so far and I understand your situation & feel for you.  My dad just had knee surgery and was up and around and exercising within weeks.  In the meanwhile, he recommended swimming if possible.  I can recommend sitting yoga stretches to stay flexible & moving.  Also try some dumbell work for the upper body.  Talk to your doctor or a physical therapist for other exercise options.  Hope this helps and good luck. I’ll keep my fingers crossed for you. Jennifer (just a few hours north of you)

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I had recently posted asking about exercising and explaining how difficult some was getting to be because my knee was feeling worse.

I’m going to say the opposite of the other posters.  My experience with knee pain is that it comes and stays for a while then goes away when I lose weight and give it sufficient rest. I don’t mean this to counter what you’re doctors are saying, but I do know that you can have wearing down without having to correct it surgically.  Can you consider giving it rest and continuing to lose weight and then see where you stand (literally)? By the way, I hate stairmasters because of the knee problem.  (I don’t have any knee pain unless I do stupid things like run or do excessive amounts of stairs, and now that I’ve lost so much weight I rarely have problems even with that.)  I much prefer the elliptical trainer or the NordicTrack ski machine – both things that don’t involve a lot of knee stress. Wendy

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Jennifer, Thanks for sharing the information about your father’s experience.  It’s good to know others bounce back so quickly.  I’ve had these visions of having to lie prone in bed for weeks which are apparently wrong (thankfully!).  I have done a bit of swimming and believe it or not, even that bothers me – I just try to do it with moving the knee as little as possible.  I can’t wait to see the surgeon and get some ideas for what I can be doing and what I should avoid, hopefully he’ll recommend a physical therapist if he can’t give me that information. Thanks for the good wishes, I greatly appreciate them! BTW.. I’m about 30 minutes northwest of Chicago, so maybe you’re even closer to where I am. Lisa

I used to live in that area, but now I’m in far northern Wisconsin, about 6 hours away. Jennifer

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Wendy, My knee pain had seemed to go away when I stopped exercising then started back up – but not as badly – when I started exercising again.  I figured I just needed to strengthen the surrounding muscles to give the knee better support.  That stairmaster changed everything.  Who knows?  I may have had the tear before and the short time on the machine made it worse, I really don’t know.  All I know is that I am just doing the elevating it and putting ice on it as much as I can and it hurts just to stand.  I don’t want to keep going on this way and make it worse, but if the surgeon says I can try physical therapy first and see if the right movements alleviates my pain, I’m all for it.  I’m just afraid of what effect not doing more exercising is going to have on my weight-loss. But at least I was able to get an appointment for this coming Monday, so I’ll know something soon.  I do agree about the weight loss and its impact on the knee – it certainly has one.  I’m sure I’m doing less damage because of what I’ve lost.  I’m glad you’ve found relief with rest.  Unfortunately, that doesn’t seem to be doing the same for me and I just want this pain gone – so whatever I have to do, I’ll do. Thanks again! Lisa

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had recently posted asking about exercising and explaining how difficult some was getting to be because my knee was feeling worse. I’m going to say the opposite of the other posters.  My experience with knee pain is that it comes and stays for a while then goes away when I lose weight and give it sufficient rest. I don’t mean this to counter what you’re doctors are saying, but I do know that you can have wearing down without having to correct it surgically.  Can you consider giving it rest and continuing to lose weight and then see where you stand (literally)? By the way, I hate stairmasters because of the knee problem.  (I don’t have any knee pain unless I do stupid things like run or do excessive amounts of stairs, and now that I’ve lost so much weight I rarely have problems even with that.)  I much prefer the elliptical trainer or the NordicTrack ski machine – both things that don’t involve a lot of knee stress. Wendy

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The results show I have damage to my meniscus, there’s a tear in part and the signs of wearing away in another.  Also, behind the kneecap it showed signs that my cartilage was being worn away.  

The surgery for meniscus is pretty easy on the patient and usually you’re back to normal activities in a couple of weeks. However, I’m not sure what the fix is for worn cartilage. I’m assuming that it’s the cartilage problem that’s causing your pain and not the meniscus. I have small tear in mine, and it’s never caused me any pain, just a little popping noise in the knee. A meniscus can be problematic running, but I’ve never had trouble with mine skating, or even walking very long distances (or jogging for a mile at a time). One of my good friends, who’s a long distance runner, had meniscus surgery around three weeks ago. She had to rest the leg for 10 days and is now getting back to running. Right now she’s doing 3 miles a day to test out the knee before she goes back to her regular running training. She does around 2 to 3 marathons a year. The training for marathon is usually 8 miles 4 or 5 days a week and 20 miles 2-3 weeks before the event. Just make sure that you go to a surgeon who does a lot of this type of surgery. Make sure you know how many he or she does a year, what his/her success rate is. Find out who the best surgeons in the area are and then interview at least 2 of them. I try not to rely on recommendations from my doctor for any surgeon or doctor doing complex work, because he has certain established relationships (like all doctors do). These recommendations may or may not be the best person for the job. In orthopedic surgery, a meniscus operation is relatively routine, still you want to use the best anytime someone’s poking a hole into your body. Barbara Hirsch, Publisher OBESITY MEDS AND RESEARCH NEWS The latest in obesity research and weight loss drug development http://www.obesity-news.com/

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Jennifer, A dear friend of mine has a cabin in Minocqua, her family stays there most summers, that I’ve just heard fabulous things about (and seen the video – what an area!).  Are you near there? Lisa

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Jennifer, Thanks for sharing the information about your father’s experience.  It’s good to know others bounce back so quickly.  I’ve had these visions of having to lie prone in bed for weeks which are apparently wrong (thankfully!).  I have done a bit of swimming and believe it or not, even that bothers me – I just try to do it with moving the knee as little as possible.  I can’t wait to see the surgeon and get some ideas for what I can be doing and what I should avoid, hopefully he’ll recommend a physical therapist if he can’t give me that information. Thanks for the good wishes, I greatly appreciate them! BTW.. I’m about 30 minutes northwest of Chicago, so maybe you’re even closer to where I am. Lisa I used to live in that area, but now I’m in far northern Wisconsin, about 6 hours away. Jennifer

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had recently posted asking about exercising and explaining how difficult some was getting to be because my knee was feeling worse. I’m going to say the opposite of the other posters.  My experience with knee pain is that it comes and stays for a while then goes away when I lose weight and give it sufficient rest. I don’t mean this to counter what you’re doctors are saying, but I do know that you can have wearing down without having to correct it surgically.  Can you consider giving it rest and continuing to lose weight and then see where you stand (literally)? By the way, I hate stairmasters because of the knee problem.  (I don’t have any knee pain unless I do stupid things like run or do excessive amounts of stairs, and now that I’ve lost so much weight I rarely have problems even with that.)  I much prefer the elliptical trainer or the NordicTrack ski machine – both things that don’t involve a lot of knee stress. Wendy

My experience is very much like yours, Wendy. Running or stairmasters don’t seem to bother me much, but biking or spinning leave me hobbling for days. I tried a little physical therapy, and that helped significantly. I also cut back on the running (even though it doesn’t SEEM to bother me, I’d rather err on the side of caution) and now alternate days of running with the elliptical x-trainer or fast walking at a high incline. I’ve also been doing some squats to help strengthen the area, but I think I need to do more in the weight room. Good luck with however you choose to proceed, Lisa! kellye, mostly lurker

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The results show I have damage to my meniscus, there’s a tear in part and the signs of wearing away in another.  Also, behind the kneecap it showed signs that my cartilage was being worn away.  She doesn’t think it will heal on its own and recommended a few orthopedic surgeons.  I have an appointment with one surgeon on the 18th of this month and one with another Sept. 15. I’m hoping at best maybe I still won’t need surgery (that’s the big chicken in me talking) or at worst I’ll need arthroscopic (spelling?) surgery that’s supposed to be easier.

As far as I know, there is no way around surgery for your damaged meniscus. The surgery is very straightforward and cures rapidly. The cartilage issue can be potentially more problematic: I have this in my right knee. The only way around it for me is to train the muscles of my upper leg (the ones you use for stretching the knee) so the kneecap slides through the joint at the correct place. If I don’t do that, it will slip sideways and scrape away all the cartilage in the joint. I’ve just gone through another episode of severe pain, and have been training now for 2 weeks. It’s already a lot better. Although cartilage takes a long time to heal, it will regrow eventually, if you give it time. Good luck! — — I mommy to DS (13m) guardian of DH TTC #2 War doesn’t decide who’s right – only who’s left

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Thanks for the good wishes, Kellye.  It’s interesting how different machines affect people differently.  I have pain when using the elliptical machine, but the treadmill and bike were fine for me.  I’m just going to know to stick with those when it’s ok for me to do leg work again. Lisa

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had recently posted asking about exercising and explaining how difficult some was getting to be because my knee was feeling worse. I’m going to say the opposite of the other posters.  My experience with knee pain is that it comes and stays for a while then goes away when I lose weight and give it sufficient rest. I don’t mean this to counter what you’re doctors are saying, but I do know that you can have wearing down without having to correct it surgically.  Can you consider giving it rest and continuing to lose weight and then see where you stand (literally)? By the way, I hate stairmasters because of the knee problem.  (I don’t have any knee pain unless I do stupid things like run or do excessive amounts of stairs, and now that I’ve lost so much weight I rarely have problems even with that.)  I much prefer the elliptical trainer or the NordicTrack ski machine – both things that don’t involve a lot of knee stress. Wendy My experience is very much like yours, Wendy. Running or stairmasters don’t seem to bother me much, but biking or spinning leave me hobbling for days. I tried a little physical therapy, and that helped significantly. I also cut back on the running (even though it doesn’t SEEM to bother me, I’d rather err on the side of caution) and now alternate days of running with the elliptical x-trainer or fast walking at a high incline. I’ve also been doing some squats to help strengthen the area, but I think I need to do more in the weight room. Good luck with however you choose to proceed, Lisa! kellye, mostly lurker

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Hi Barbara, I’m not sure what the fix for any of this will be, I’ll be glad when I get to find out more at my first consultation Monday (I have a second consultation September 18 – the soonest another orthopedic surgeon could see me).  My actual pain isn’t my knee itself, but to the left of it (my right knee).  I almost feel as if I pulled a muscle – which is what I initially thought I must have done.  So I am curious to know if the tear is where I feel the pain or just what I’m feeling pain from.  It would be interesting if the pain I’m feeling isn’t related to the tear/wear, but I’ll know more Monday. Thanks for sharing the information and the story about your friend, it’s very reassuring hearing about others going through procedures and how quickly they’re back on both feet! Thanks, Lisa

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The results show I have damage to my meniscus, there’s a tear in part and the signs of wearing away in another.  Also, behind the kneecap it showed signs that my cartilage was being worn away. The surgery for meniscus is pretty easy on the patient and usually you’re back to normal activities in a couple of weeks. However, I’m not sure what the fix is for worn cartilage. I’m assuming that it’s the cartilage problem that’s causing your pain and not the meniscus. I have small tear in mine, and it’s never caused me any pain, just a little popping noise in the knee. A meniscus can be problematic running, but I’ve never had trouble with mine skating, or even walking very long distances (or jogging for a mile at a time). One of my good friends, who’s a long distance runner, had meniscus surgery around three weeks ago. She had to rest the leg for 10 days and is now getting back to running. Right now she’s doing 3 miles a day to test out the knee before she goes back to her regular running training. She does around 2 to 3 marathons a year. The training for marathon is usually 8 miles 4 or 5 days a week and 20 miles 2-3 weeks before the event. Just make sure that you go to a surgeon who does a lot of this type of surgery. Make sure you know how many he or she does a year, what his/her success rate is. Find out who the best surgeons in the area are and then interview at least 2 of them. I try not to rely on recommendations from my doctor for any surgeon or doctor doing complex work, because he has certain established relationships (like all doctors do). These recommendations may or may not be the best person for the job. In orthopedic surgery, a meniscus operation is relatively routine, still you want to use the best anytime someone’s poking a hole into your body. Barbara Hirsch, Publisher OBESITY MEDS AND RESEARCH NEWS The latest in obesity research and weight loss drug development http://www.obesity-news.com/

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Oh Ilse, when your knee slips, that must be so painful!  I hope it’s not happening as often since you’re working on strengthening the surrounding muscles.  That’s what I’ve been trying to do and I hope that aspect of my injury is slight.  If I need surgery, I’ll definitely have it, because I’m sick of not being able to do much – when standing and even driving (since it’s my right knee) is painful, enough’s enough. Thanks for your well wishes and I hope your knee doesn’t give you many problems. Lisa

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The results show I have damage to my meniscus, there’s a tear in part and the signs of wearing away in another.  Also, behind the kneecap it showed signs that my cartilage was being worn away.  She doesn’t think it will heal on its own and recommended a few orthopedic surgeons.  I have an appointment with one surgeon on the 18th of this month and one with another Sept. 15. I’m hoping at best maybe I still won’t need surgery (that’s the big chicken in me talking) or at worst I’ll need arthroscopic (spelling?) surgery that’s supposed to be easier. As far as I know, there is no way around surgery for your damaged meniscus. The surgery is very straightforward and cures rapidly. The cartilage issue can be potentially more problematic: I have this in my right knee. The only way around it for me is to train the muscles of my upper leg (the ones you use for stretching the knee) so the kneecap slides through the joint at the correct place. If I don’t do that, it will slip sideways and scrape away all the cartilage in the joint. I’ve just gone through another episode of severe pain, and have been training now for 2 weeks. It’s already a lot better. Although cartilage takes a long time to heal, it will regrow eventually, if you give it time. Good luck! — — I mommy to DS (13m) guardian of DH TTC #2 War doesn’t decide who’s right – only who’s left

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello everyone, I had recently posted asking about exercising and explaining how difficult some was getting to be because my knee was feeling worse.  (I’d fallen back in November and the pain seemed to go away until I started exercising regularly at the gym.)  I went on the stairmaster a couple weeks ago and was off in less than 5 minutes in tears and could barely stand – I sat on the floor next to it afterwards).  So my doctor had me go for an MRI and I just got the results this morning and am feeling really down. The results show I have damage to my meniscus, there’s a tear in part and the signs of wearing away in another.  Also, behind the kneecap it showed signs that my cartilage was being worn away.  She doesn’t think it will heal on its own and recommended a few orthopedic surgeons.  I have an appointment with one surgeon on the 18th of this month and one with another Sept. 15. I’m hoping at best maybe I still won’t need surgery (that’s the big chicken in me talking) or at worst I’ll need arthroscopic (spelling?) surgery that’s supposed to be easier. So I need some extra motivation right now because this has me really down. I’m trying to convince myself I can continue working on my arms, chest and abs until I know exactly what I should and shouldn’t do because of my knee, but I weigh-in tomorrow and since I haven’t been able to do much, I’m so afraid it will show a gain and then I’ll feel even more discouraged. *sigh*

No real advice here… other than if  you have to have surgery, pick a surgeon who is very familiar with doing the operation. And if they won’t tell you how many procedures they have done… run in the other direction. I hope all goes well. Meanwhile, you should ask the doctors about what you should avoid doing with the knee right now. Cynthia 262/245.7/225

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Good for her!  Losing 7 lbs is quite an accomplishment for a child.  You must be a wonderful inspiration to her. — Brenda 209/178/150 IFFC goal 175

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was so shocked to have lost as well.  DGD spent the weekend with the other DGD and ate junk food as well, she was up 1 pound but still 7 pounds less than when we started. — SuzyQ Weight 124 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 Wow SuzyQ, this is amazing!  I was waiting to read that you had put on a couple of pounds.  Boy, you must have been surprised to see a loss! Congratulations!!! How is your granddaughter doing? — Brenda 209/178/150 IFFC goal 175 OK, I’ve been bad…really bad… I haven’t been to curves for a week, haven’t walked every day because it’s been raining.  Thursday night we went to an all you can eat buffet……and I can still eat a lot, fried chicken, pizza, shrimp, fried potatoes, cake and pie.  Saturday we videotaped a wedding and they had fantastic cake!  Afterward we went out and had chicken fried steak (Texas size) with a baked potato as big as a house and REAL sour cream.  Yesterday I went to a birthday party….more cake.  Then we had to do the father’s day feast.  T-bone, shrimp cocktail, corn on the cob, vegetables, bread, dessert. So I haven’t counted points for 4 days in a row and really pigged out. This morning I weighed 123.  I did notice a couple of women looking at me at the buffet while I loaded my plate and I know they were thinking ‘wish I could eat like that’.  Have I suddenly turned into a ‘naturally thin’ person? I will be back OP this morning and going to Curves.  But I really do think eating well can raise metabolism.  It doesn’t happen overnight.  I’ve been on WW for almost 8 months. — SuzyQ Weight 124 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03

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unbelievable isn’t it?  You can’t imagine how happy I am to weigh less than my driver’s license says.  Every pound I lose puts me at a number I haven’t seen in many years. — SuzyQ Weight 124 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – WOW, all that and you didnt gain???  I didn’t think anybody could do that. You’ll have to change the weight on your driver’s license if you keep this up Linda 252/187/136 IFFC goal–180

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You two could do a comedy act.  Thanks for the grins. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ROFLMAO

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Exciting stuff SuzyQ. How long have you been exercising? Bet that has more to do with increasing the metabolism, building the muscle and all. — WatchingWorks 185/167/130 IFFC 161 43/5′3"

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sounds like you had fun, but your description did cause me to gain about six pounds, Lee

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, I’ve been bad…really bad… I haven’t been to curves for a week, haven’t walked every day because it’s been raining.  Thursday night we went to an all you can eat buffet……and I can still eat a lot, fried chicken, pizza, shrimp, fried potatoes, cake and pie.  Saturday we videotaped a wedding and they had fantastic cake!  Afterward we went out and had chicken fried steak (Texas size) with a baked potato as big as a house and REAL sour cream.  Yesterday I went to a birthday party….more cake.  Then we had to do the father’s day feast.  T-bone, shrimp cocktail, corn on the cob, vegetables, bread, dessert. So I haven’t counted points for 4 days in a row and really pigged out. This morning I weighed 123.  I did notice a couple of women looking at me at the buffet while I loaded my plate and I know they were thinking ‘wish I could eat like that’.  Have I suddenly turned into a ‘naturally thin’ person?  I will be back OP this morning and going to Curves.  But I really do think eating well can raise metabolism.  It doesn’t happen overnight.  I’ve been on WW for almost 8 months. — SuzyQ Weight 124 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03

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Bop de Bop Da BOOM

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You two could do a comedy act.  Thanks for the grins. ROFLMAO

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Bop de Bop Da BOOM You two could do a comedy act.  Thanks for the grins. ROFLMAO

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I began walking 2 years ago when I quit smoking, I started doing a few exercises in the morning with an exercise ball and yoga stretches about a year ago.  I joined Curves 7 months ago, you know it’s surprising how quickly months go by.  I have read that it takes 6 months to a year for a program to make permanent changes to metabolism.  I guess I’m there. — SuzyQ Weight 124 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Exciting stuff SuzyQ. How long have you been exercising? Bet that has more to do with increasing the metabolism, building the muscle and all. — WatchingWorks 185/167/130 IFFC 161 43/5′3" But I really do think eating well can raise metabolism.  It doesn’t happen overnight.  I’ve been on WW for almost 8 months. — SuzyQ Weight 124 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03

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Wow, sounds like you’ve had a great time, SuzyQ! I think as long as you don’t overeat on a regular basis, you can do as you have done. It’s eating too little that causes our metabolisms to slow down. Elaine K 331.4/185.6/179 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, I’ve been bad…really bad… I haven’t been to curves for a week, haven’t walked every day because it’s been raining.  Thursday night we went to an all you can eat buffet……and I can still eat a lot, fried chicken, pizza, shrimp, fried potatoes, cake and pie.  Saturday we videotaped a wedding and they had fantastic cake!  Afterward we went out and had chicken fried steak (Texas size) with a baked potato as big as a house and REAL sour cream.  Yesterday I went to a birthday party….more cake.  Then we had to do the father’s day feast.  T-bone, shrimp cocktail, corn on the cob, vegetables, bread, dessert. So I haven’t counted points for 4 days in a row and really pigged out.  This morning I weighed 123.  I did notice a couple of women looking at me at the buffet while I loaded my plate and I know they were thinking ‘wish I could eat like that’.  Have I suddenly turned into a ‘naturally thin’ person?  I will be back OP this morning and going to Curves.  But I really do think eating well can raise metabolism.  It doesn’t happen overnight.  I’ve been on WW for almost 8 months. — SuzyQ Weight 124 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03

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I am getting quite a laugh out of this whole picture, particularly the visual brought about by the jumping coconut pie…. Did I ever tell you about the talking Miss Meringues?  I decided they were not helping me right now with the hunger thing I have going on, I have to have a Whole apple as opposed to 3 Miss M’s for a snack or it is a problem. So, not wanting to WASTE those Miss M’s, I put them inside a box, inside a closet in the corner in the dark……  you know….. For a couple of days I could hear their little meringu-ey voices in there yelling *very distantly.."Eat meeee, Helpp, here I am, Eat meeee".  Right now they shut up, I think they are trying to trick me into checkin on em, but the little ba**ards can give it up.  Maybe after I get to goal….

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes it was and at the intense part is where that big honking piece of coconut pie jumped into my mouth…..LOL. — SuzyQ Weight 124 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 Was it perhaps the theme from JAWS ROTFL.  Duh duh Duh duh Duh duh….. Trust me scary music was playing in my head as I was eating at that buffet….I know I cannot eat like that all the time, I’m just so excited that I can sometimes! — SuzyQ Weight 124 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 Hey Suzy, I think one of the reasons I am losing so well this time, is that I have gotten over the "perfection" thing.  The trick is to not get back into the habit of eating like that, or doom follows…. ****insert scary music here***** OK, I’ve been bad…really bad… I haven’t been to curves for a week, haven’t walked every day because it’s been raining.  Thursday night we went to an all you can eat buffet……and I can still eat a lot, fried chicken, pizza, shrimp, fried potatoes, cake and pie.  Saturday we videotaped a wedding and they had fantastic cake!  Afterward we went out and had chicken fried steak (Texas size) with a baked potato as big as a house and REAL sour cream.  Yesterday I went to a birthday party….more cake.  Then we had to do the father’s day feast.  T-bone, shrimp cocktail, corn on the cob, vegetables, bread, dessert. So I haven’t counted points for 4 days in a row and really pigged out. This morning I weighed 123.  I did notice a couple of women looking at me at the buffet while I loaded my plate and I know they were thinking ‘wish I could eat like that’.  Have I suddenly turned into a ‘naturally thin’ person? I will be back OP this morning and going to Curves.  But I really do think eating well can raise metabolism.  It doesn’t happen overnight. I’ve been on WW for almost 8 months. — SuzyQ Weight 124 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03

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I was so shocked to have lost as well.  DGD spent the weekend with the other DGD and ate junk food as well, she was up 1 pound but still 7 pounds less than when we started. — SuzyQ Weight 124 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wow SuzyQ, this is amazing!  I was waiting to read that you had put on a couple of pounds.  Boy, you must have been surprised to see a loss! Congratulations!!! How is your granddaughter doing? — Brenda 209/178/150 IFFC goal 175 OK, I’ve been bad…really bad… I haven’t been to curves for a week, haven’t walked every day because it’s been raining.  Thursday night we went to an all you can eat buffet……and I can still eat a lot, fried chicken, pizza, shrimp, fried potatoes, cake and pie.  Saturday we videotaped a wedding and they had fantastic cake!  Afterward we went out and had chicken fried steak (Texas size) with a baked potato as big as a house and REAL sour cream.  Yesterday I went to a birthday party….more cake.  Then we had to do the father’s day feast.  T-bone, shrimp cocktail, corn on the cob, vegetables, bread, dessert. So I haven’t counted points for 4 days in a row and really pigged out. This morning I weighed 123.  I did notice a couple of women looking at me at the buffet while I loaded my plate and I know they were thinking ‘wish I could eat like that’.  Have I suddenly turned into a ‘naturally thin’ person? I will be back OP this morning and going to Curves.  But I really do think eating well can raise metabolism.  It doesn’t happen overnight.  I’ve been on WW for almost 8 months. — SuzyQ Weight 124 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03

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Was it perhaps the theme from JAWS ROTFL.  Duh duh Duh duh Duh duh…..

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Trust me scary music was playing in my head as I was eating at that buffet….I know I cannot eat like that all the time, I’m just so excited that I can sometimes! — SuzyQ Weight 124 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 Hey Suzy, I think one of the reasons I am losing so well this time, is that I have gotten over the "perfection" thing.  The trick is to not get back into the habit of eating like that, or doom follows…. ****insert scary music here***** OK, I’ve been bad…really bad… I haven’t been to curves for a week, haven’t walked every day because it’s been raining.  Thursday night we went to an all you can eat buffet……and I can still eat a lot, fried chicken, pizza, shrimp, fried potatoes, cake and pie.  Saturday we videotaped a wedding and they had fantastic cake!  Afterward we went out and had chicken fried steak (Texas size) with a baked potato as big as a house and REAL sour cream.  Yesterday I went to a birthday party….more cake.  Then we had to do the father’s day feast.  T-bone, shrimp cocktail, corn on the cob, vegetables, bread, dessert. So I haven’t counted points for 4 days in a row and really pigged out. This morning I weighed 123.  I did notice a couple of women looking at me at the buffet while I loaded my plate and I know they were thinking ‘wish I could eat like that’.  Have I suddenly turned into a ‘naturally thin’ person? I will be back OP this morning and going to Curves.  But I really do think eating well can raise metabolism.  It doesn’t happen overnight.  I’ve been on WW for almost 8 months. — SuzyQ Weight 124 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03

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Oooooh nooooo don’t tell me you killed the little miss meringues ? <insert very sad music here Or maybe they ‘re just very quiet, but ready to scream at you if you come close… — Nathalie from Belgium 134.1/108.8/minigoal 106.9 Goal 68 Kg 295.6/239.8/minigoal 235.6/Goal 150 pounds IFFC 245.9/239.8/234

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am getting quite a laugh out of this whole picture, particularly the visual brought about by the jumping coconut pie…. Did I ever tell you about the talking Miss Meringues?  I decided they were not helping me right now with the hunger thing I have going on, I have to have a Whole apple as opposed to 3 Miss M’s for a snack or it is a problem. So, not wanting to WASTE those Miss M’s, I put them inside a box, inside a closet in the corner in the dark……  you know….. For a couple of days I could hear their little meringu-ey voices in there yelling *very distantly.."Eat meeee, Helpp, here I am, Eat meeee".  Right now they shut up, I think they are trying to trick me into checkin on em, but the little ba**ards can give it up.  Maybe after I get to goal…. Yes it was and at the intense part is where that big honking piece of coconut pie jumped into my mouth…..LOL. — SuzyQ Weight 124 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 Was it perhaps the theme from JAWS ROTFL.  Duh duh Duh duh Duh duh….. Trust me scary music was playing in my head as I was eating at that buffet….I know I cannot eat like that all the time, I’m just so excited that I can sometimes! — SuzyQ Weight 124 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 Hey Suzy, I think one of the reasons I am losing so well this time, is that I have gotten over the "perfection" thing.  The trick is to not get back into the habit of eating like that, or doom follows…. ****insert scary music here***** OK, I’ve been bad…really bad… I haven’t been to curves for a week, haven’t walked every day because it’s been raining.  Thursday night we went to an all you can eat buffet……and I can still eat a lot, fried chicken, pizza, shrimp, fried potatoes, cake and pie.  Saturday we videotaped a wedding and they had fantastic cake!  Afterward we went out and had chicken fried steak (Texas size) with a baked potato as big as a house and REAL sour cream.  Yesterday I went to a birthday party….more cake.  Then we had to do the father’s day feast.  T-bone, shrimp cocktail, corn on the cob, vegetables, bread, dessert. So I haven’t counted points for 4 days in a row and really pigged out. This morning I weighed 123.  I did notice a couple of women looking at me at the buffet while I loaded my plate and I know they were thinking ‘wish I could eat like that’.  Have I suddenly turned into a ‘naturally thin’ person? I will be back OP this morning and going to Curves.  But I really do think eating well can raise metabolism.  It doesn’t happen overnight. I’ve been on WW for almost 8 months. — SuzyQ Weight 124 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03

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WOW, all that and you didnt gain???  I didn’t think anybody could do that. You’ll have to change the weight on your driver’s license if you keep this up Linda 252/187/136 IFFC goal–180

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You’ll have to change the weight on your driver’s license if you keep this up

"Linda-minds" must think alike. I had this same thought several hours after reading SuzyQ’s post. I’m glad you said what I was thinking. — Prairie Roots (aka Linda P.) 232/199.2/IFFC 202/(?)157 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003 Here’s our FAQ: http://www.didian.com/asdww/ and welcome notice: http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html

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I had a similar feeling when I stepped on the scale this morning. I expected the worse. Haven’t been great in the last couple of weeks, we’ve been repainting our kitchen, so that means lots of takeout food. Went out at a BBQ and ate too many doritos. And because were were busy getting house ready to sell, I haven’t been going to the gym. I Was surprises to see that I maintained. I just have to make sure I don’t get into the habit of doing this all the time. Michelle 141/122/124 – lifetime since June 2001 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, I’ve been bad…really bad… I haven’t been to curves for a week, haven’t walked every day because it’s been raining.  Thursday night we went to an all you can eat buffet……and I can still eat a lot, fried chicken, pizza, shrimp, fried potatoes, cake and pie.  Saturday we videotaped a wedding and they had fantastic cake!  Afterward we went out and had chicken fried steak (Texas size) with a baked potato as big as a house and REAL sour cream.  Yesterday I went to a birthday party….more cake.  Then we had to do the father’s day feast.  T-bone, shrimp cocktail, corn on the cob, vegetables, bread, dessert. So I haven’t counted points for 4 days in a row and really pigged out.  This morning I weighed 123.  I did notice a couple of women looking at me at the buffet while I loaded my plate and I know they were thinking ‘wish I could eat like that’.  Have I suddenly turned into a ‘naturally thin’ person?  I will be back OP this morning and going to Curves.  But I really do think eating well can raise metabolism.  It doesn’t happen overnight.  I’ve been on WW for almost 8 months.

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ROFLMAO — SuzyQ Weight 124 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am getting quite a laugh out of this whole picture, particularly the visual brought about by the jumping coconut pie…. Did I ever tell you about the talking Miss Meringues?  I decided they were not helping me right now with the hunger thing I have going on, I have to have a Whole apple as opposed to 3 Miss M’s for a snack or it is a problem. So, not wanting to WASTE those Miss M’s, I put them inside a box, inside a closet in the corner in the dark……  you know….. For a couple of days I could hear their little meringu-ey voices in there yelling *very distantly.."Eat meeee, Helpp, here I am, Eat meeee".  Right now they shut up, I think they are trying to trick me into checkin on em, but the little ba**ards can give it up.  Maybe after I get to goal…. Yes it was and at the intense part is where that big honking piece of coconut pie jumped into my mouth…..LOL. — SuzyQ Weight 124 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 Was it perhaps the theme from JAWS ROTFL.  Duh duh Duh duh Duh duh….. Trust me scary music was playing in my head as I was eating at that buffet….I know I cannot eat like that all the time, I’m just so excited that I can sometimes! — SuzyQ Weight 124 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 Hey Suzy, I think one of the reasons I am losing so well this time, is that I have gotten over the "perfection" thing.  The trick is to not get back into the habit of eating like that, or doom follows…. ****insert scary music here***** OK, I’ve been bad…really bad… I haven’t been to curves for a week, haven’t walked every day because it’s been raining.  Thursday night we went to an all you can eat buffet……and I can still eat a lot, fried chicken, pizza, shrimp, fried potatoes, cake and pie.  Saturday we videotaped a wedding and they had fantastic cake!  Afterward we went out and had chicken fried steak (Texas size) with a baked potato as big as a house and REAL sour cream.  Yesterday I went to a birthday party….more cake.  Then we had to do the father’s day feast.  T-bone, shrimp cocktail, corn on the cob, vegetables, bread, dessert. So I haven’t counted points for 4 days in a row and really pigged out. This morning I weighed 123.  I did notice a couple of women looking at me at the buffet while I loaded my plate and I know they were thinking ‘wish I could eat like that’.  Have I suddenly turned into a ‘naturally thin’ person? I will be back OP this morning and going to Curves.  But I really do think eating well can raise metabolism.  It doesn’t happen overnight. I’ve been on WW for almost 8 months. — SuzyQ Weight 124 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03

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Yes it was and at the intense part is where that big honking piece of coconut pie jumped into my mouth…..LOL. — SuzyQ Weight 124 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Was it perhaps the theme from JAWS ROTFL.  Duh duh Duh duh Duh duh….. Trust me scary music was playing in my head as I was eating at that buffet….I know I cannot eat like that all the time, I’m just so excited that I can sometimes! — SuzyQ Weight 124 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 Hey Suzy, I think one of the reasons I am losing so well this time, is that I have gotten over the "perfection" thing.  The trick is to not get back into the habit of eating like that, or doom follows…. ****insert scary music here***** OK, I’ve been bad…really bad… I haven’t been to curves for a week, haven’t walked every day because it’s been raining.  Thursday night we went to an all you can eat buffet……and I can still eat a lot, fried chicken, pizza, shrimp, fried potatoes, cake and pie.  Saturday we videotaped a wedding and they had fantastic cake!  Afterward we went out and had chicken fried steak (Texas size) with a baked potato as big as a house and REAL sour cream.  Yesterday I went to a birthday party….more cake.  Then we had to do the father’s day feast.  T-bone, shrimp cocktail, corn on the cob, vegetables, bread, dessert. So I haven’t counted points for 4 days in a row and really pigged out. This morning I weighed 123.  I did notice a couple of women looking at me at the buffet while I loaded my plate and I know they were thinking ‘wish I could eat like that’.  Have I suddenly turned into a ‘naturally thin’ person? I will be back OP this morning and going to Curves.  But I really do think eating well can raise metabolism.  It doesn’t happen overnight. I’ve been on WW for almost 8 months. — SuzyQ Weight 124 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03

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OK, I’ve been bad…really bad… I haven’t been to curves for a week, haven’t walked every day because it’s been raining.  Thursday night we went to an all you can eat buffet……and I can still eat a lot, fried chicken, pizza, shrimp, fried potatoes, cake and pie.  Saturday we videotaped a wedding and they had fantastic cake!  Afterward we went out and had chicken fried steak (Texas size) with a baked potato as big as a house and REAL sour cream.  Yesterday I went to a birthday party….more cake.  Then we had to do the father’s day feast.  T-bone, shrimp cocktail, corn on the cob, vegetables, bread, dessert. So I haven’t counted points for 4 days in a row and really pigged out.  This morning I weighed 123.  I did notice a couple of women looking at me at the buffet while I loaded my plate and I know they were thinking ‘wish I could eat like that’.  Have I suddenly turned into a ‘naturally thin’ person?  I will be back OP this morning and going to Curves.  But I really do think eating well can raise metabolism.  It doesn’t happen overnight.  I’ve been on WW for almost 8 months. — SuzyQ Weight 124 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03

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Trust me scary music was playing in my head as I was eating at that buffet….I know I cannot eat like that all the time, I’m just so excited that I can sometimes! — SuzyQ Weight 124 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Suzy, I think one of the reasons I am losing so well this time, is that I have gotten over the "perfection" thing.  The trick is to not get back into the habit of eating like that, or doom follows…. ****insert scary music here***** OK, I’ve been bad…really bad… I haven’t been to curves for a week, haven’t walked every day because it’s been raining.  Thursday night we went to an all you can eat buffet……and I can still eat a lot, fried chicken, pizza, shrimp, fried potatoes, cake and pie.  Saturday we videotaped a wedding and they had fantastic cake!  Afterward we went out and had chicken fried steak (Texas size) with a baked potato as big as a house and REAL sour cream.  Yesterday I went to a birthday party….more cake.  Then we had to do the father’s day feast.  T-bone, shrimp cocktail, corn on the cob, vegetables, bread, dessert. So I haven’t counted points for 4 days in a row and really pigged out. This morning I weighed 123.  I did notice a couple of women looking at me at the buffet while I loaded my plate and I know they were thinking ‘wish I could eat like that’.  Have I suddenly turned into a ‘naturally thin’ person? I will be back OP this morning and going to Curves.  But I really do think eating well can raise metabolism.  It doesn’t happen overnight.  I’ve been on WW for almost 8 months. — SuzyQ Weight 124 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03

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Wow SuzyQ, this is amazing!  I was waiting to read that you had put on a couple of pounds.  Boy, you must have been surprised to see a loss! Congratulations!!! How is your granddaughter doing? — Brenda 209/178/150 IFFC goal 175

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, I’ve been bad…really bad… I haven’t been to curves for a week, haven’t walked every day because it’s been raining.  Thursday night we went to an all you can eat buffet……and I can still eat a lot, fried chicken, pizza, shrimp, fried potatoes, cake and pie.  Saturday we videotaped a wedding and they had fantastic cake!  Afterward we went out and had chicken fried steak (Texas size) with a baked potato as big as a house and REAL sour cream.  Yesterday I went to a birthday party….more cake.  Then we had to do the father’s day feast.  T-bone, shrimp cocktail, corn on the cob, vegetables, bread, dessert. So I haven’t counted points for 4 days in a row and really pigged out. This morning I weighed 123.  I did notice a couple of women looking at me at the buffet while I loaded my plate and I know they were thinking ‘wish I could eat like that’.  Have I suddenly turned into a ‘naturally thin’ person?  I will be back OP this morning and going to Curves.  But I really do think eating well can raise metabolism.  It doesn’t happen overnight.  I’ve been on WW for almost 8 months. — SuzyQ Weight 124 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03

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Hey Suzy, I think one of the reasons I am losing so well this time, is that I have gotten over the "perfection" thing.  The trick is to not get back into the habit of eating like that, or doom follows…. ****insert scary music here*****

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, I’ve been bad…really bad… I haven’t been to curves for a week, haven’t walked every day because it’s been raining.  Thursday night we went to an all you can eat buffet……and I can still eat a lot, fried chicken, pizza, shrimp, fried potatoes, cake and pie.  Saturday we videotaped a wedding and they had fantastic cake!  Afterward we went out and had chicken fried steak (Texas size) with a baked potato as big as a house and REAL sour cream.  Yesterday I went to a birthday party….more cake.  Then we had to do the father’s day feast.  T-bone, shrimp cocktail, corn on the cob, vegetables, bread, dessert. So I haven’t counted points for 4 days in a row and really pigged out. This morning I weighed 123.  I did notice a couple of women looking at me at the buffet while I loaded my plate and I know they were thinking ‘wish I could eat like that’.  Have I suddenly turned into a ‘naturally thin’ person?  I will be back OP this morning and going to Curves.  But I really do think eating well can raise metabolism.  It doesn’t happen overnight.  I’ve been on WW for almost 8 months. — SuzyQ Weight 124 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Steve & Joy wrote:

Over quite a long period of time, I have noticed a VERY strong correlation between chronic muscle tension (almost exclusively neck and back, as well as scalp muscles) and my congested sinuses.  In fact, over the past week I had suffered a lot of muscle strain due to some heavy lifting, and had very tight back and neck muscles that simply wouldn’t relax easily. Consequently, I also had a continuous and incredibly bad sinus headache, congestion, and pressure, with some clear discharge.  I was pretty miserable. Anyway, since I wasn’t able to sleep well, I finally did some really hard-core Yoga stretches of my back and neck.  Well, my sinuses cleared right up and have remained that way.  I do not have frequent sinus infections (despite a bad deviated septum), but I DO have chronic neck/back muscle tension due to a variety of factors (working at computer, etc.), and I DO have chronic sinus congestion.

Has a reputable physician diagnosed you with chronic sinus congestion? Because what you’re describing could simply be referred pain from your neck. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email:  sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

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Steve & Joy wrote: Over quite a long period of time, I have noticed a VERY strong correlation between chronic muscle tension (almost exclusively neck and back, as well as scalp muscles) and my congested sinuses.  In fact, over the past week I had suffered a lot of muscle strain due to some heavy lifting, and had very tight back and neck muscles that simply wouldn’t relax easily. Consequently, I also had a continuous and incredibly bad sinus headache, congestion, and pressure, with some clear discharge.  I was pretty miserable. Anyway, since I wasn’t able to sleep well, I finally did some really hard-core Yoga stretches of my back and neck.  Well, my sinuses cleared right up and have remained that way.  I do not have frequent sinus infections (despite a bad deviated septum), but I DO have chronic neck/back muscle tension due to a variety of factors (working at computer, etc.), and I DO have chronic sinus congestion. Has a reputable physician diagnosed you with chronic sinus congestion? Because what you’re describing could simply be referred pain from your neck.

I can understand how headaches and sinus pressure can be referred pain. (My migraines are *always* related to cervical bones being out of alignment.) But "Steve & Joy" didn’t mention just headaches. How are congestion and sinus discharge referred pain?

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On 18 Jun 2003 21:26:58 -0700, cwhite0…@fsi.net (cwhite0714) wrote:

I can understand how headaches and sinus pressure can be referred pain. (My migraines are *always* related to cervical bones being out of alignment.) But "Steve & Joy" didn’t mention just headaches. How are congestion and sinus discharge referred pain?

The pain is likely the actual concern. The other two may not be related.

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Over quite a long period of time, I have noticed a VERY strong correlation between chronic muscle tension (almost exclusively neck and back, as well as scalp muscles) and my congested sinuses.  In fact, over the past week I had suffered a lot of muscle strain due to some heavy lifting, and had very tight back and neck muscles that simply wouldn’t relax easily. Consequently, I also had a continuous and incredibly bad sinus headache, congestion, and pressure, with some clear discharge.  I was pretty miserable. Anyway, since I wasn’t able to sleep well, I finally did some really hard-core Yoga stretches of my back and neck.  Well, my sinuses cleared right up and have remained that way.  I do not have frequent sinus infections (despite a bad deviated septum), but I DO have chronic neck/back muscle tension due to a variety of factors (working at computer, etc.), and I DO have chronic sinus congestion. Anyone else notice this type of correlation with their symptoms?  I am pretty convinced of it in my case.

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Hi Paula, Wtg on your upcoming WWWW!  As a DD <g that looks sooooo far away.

Thanks Pam! I blew a QOF quit a while back, so not too excited yet…maybe when I reach HOF I’ll be feeling better about this! Since I’m still new to this business, I’m not certain yet what my trigger crave beaters are.  I am reading and posting, drinking water, sucking cinnamon Altoids and caramel hard candies like there’s no tomorrow.

Water is great, herbal teas are good too – sweet ones like berry work well for me. But for the really nasty cravings, so far 2 things have worked well. Unfortunately, both are "food".  One is a cup of Cinnamon Stick tea with a slice of cinnamon toast.  But the best one is fake crab.  That immitation seafood stuff?  I made up a batch of cocktail sauce – heavy on the horseradish (I’m not a hot food person).  When the cravings get really intense, I dip a few hunks of "crab" in the sauce.  The resulting "burn" takes my mind off the crave and keeps my mouth busy thinking of other things for quite a while. <bg

Good for you – I figure a little food at the beginning a quit is fine, just try and do a little extra exercise to counteract it – it makes you feel better too! My downfall right now is chocolate macaroons…ahhh bliss! Hang in there DD woman! Paula – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – P. Cigs not smoked:  72 Hey Pam I know what you mean about the triggers. It’s a beautiful day here, and DH and I went to the markets early and bought some cheap plants, then a nice brunch. Oooh yeah craving. Came home, out in the garden weeding and planting. Really craving my "rest" ciggie…I had to come in for a while and read AS3! I guess the triggers will keep coming for a while for us, just gotta keep our heads down and remember what we have planned to do if the crave is too much – for me, read and post, a glass of water, some yoga stretches or a short walk, or some chocolate. What are your trigger craves beaters?? Paula Nearly WWWW Hey Paula! ‘Tis the patch for me.  Started this morning.  Must admit, it is a smoother ride.  I’m a bit shakey and crampy, but I don’t think they make a patch strong enough to accommodate a 2-3 pack a day 40 year habit. :-O Some of the triggers I discovered today surprised me.  I expected to crave a butt with my morning tea, but I didn’t.  Had a mild craving after supper – no biggie.  But while I was cooking dinner I kept reaching toward the ashtray.  The hardest one came when I was standing at the door waving goodbye to my kids.  Normally when they’re here, I grab a few drags in the bathroom … because of the grandbabies.  Then I fire one up as they’re pulling out of the driveway.  BOY did I want a butt then!!! Sorry.  I’m a rambler! :  You’ll be sorry you old me to post often! <vbg Thanks much for the support! P. 20H 43M Hi Pam Welcome back. If you can’t quit cold turkey, then try patches for sure. No shame in using the tools we have available to us! Best wishes…you know you can do 11 weeks, and you seem to have Graves under control, so welcome to your new life! Post often, let us know how you are doing, and if you wanna rant – this is the best place to do it. Paula WWW+ Hi all! Last time I was here was in Mar. 2000.  I quit 1/27/00, but it only lasted about 11 weeks.  At 11/12 weeks, the nerves, the cravings, my gawd-awful moodswings were all still in full swing, so I caved. Was diagnosed the following month with Graves’ Disease (a hyperthyroid autoimmune thingie). That stuff is fairly under control now, so Tues. night I decided to throw in the ciggie towel again.  Made it for 66 hrs. Now, here I sit, butt in one hand, drink in the other. Cold turkey is apparantly NOT something I can physically handle and it pisses me off immeasurably!  I feel like a weakling and a failure. Tomorrow I quit again – this time with the help of the patch – and hopefully, youz guyz.       <snip

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Hi Paula, Wtg on your upcoming WWWW!  As a DD <g that looks sooooo far away. Since I’m still new to this business, I’m not certain yet what my trigger crave beaters are.  I am reading and posting, drinking water, sucking cinnamon Altoids and caramel hard candies like there’s no tomorrow.   But for the really nasty cravings, so far 2 things have worked well. Unfortunately, both are "food".  One is a cup of Cinnamon Stick tea with a slice of cinnamon toast.  But the best one is fake crab.  That immitation seafood stuff?  I made up a batch of cocktail sauce – heavy on the horseradish (I’m not a hot food person).  When the cravings get really intense, I dip a few hunks of "crab" in the sauce.  The resulting "burn" takes my mind off the crave and keeps my mouth busy thinking of other things for quite a while. <bg P. Cigs not smoked:  72   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Pam I know what you mean about the triggers. It’s a beautiful day here, and DH and I went to the markets early and bought some cheap plants, then a nice brunch. Oooh yeah craving. Came home, out in the garden weeding and planting. Really craving my "rest" ciggie…I had to come in for a while and read AS3! I guess the triggers will keep coming for a while for us, just gotta keep our heads down and remember what we have planned to do if the crave is too much – for me, read and post, a glass of water, some yoga stretches or a short walk, or some chocolate. What are your trigger craves beaters?? Paula Nearly WWWW Hey Paula! ‘Tis the patch for me.  Started this morning.  Must admit, it is a smoother ride.  I’m a bit shakey and crampy, but I don’t think they make a patch strong enough to accommodate a 2-3 pack a day 40 year habit. :-O Some of the triggers I discovered today surprised me.  I expected to crave a butt with my morning tea, but I didn’t.  Had a mild craving after supper – no biggie.  But while I was cooking dinner I kept reaching toward the ashtray.  The hardest one came when I was standing at the door waving goodbye to my kids.  Normally when they’re here, I grab a few drags in the bathroom … because of the grandbabies.  Then I fire one up as they’re pulling out of the driveway.  BOY did I want a butt then!!! Sorry.  I’m a rambler! :  You’ll be sorry you old me to post often! <vbg Thanks much for the support! P. 20H 43M Hi Pam Welcome back. If you can’t quit cold turkey, then try patches for sure. No shame in using the tools we have available to us! Best wishes…you know you can do 11 weeks, and you seem to have Graves under control, so welcome to your new life! Post often, let us know how you are doing, and if you wanna rant – this is the best place to do it. Paula WWW+ Hi all! Last time I was here was in Mar. 2000.  I quit 1/27/00, but it only lasted about 11 weeks.  At 11/12 weeks, the nerves, the cravings, my gawd-awful moodswings were all still in full swing, so I caved.  Was diagnosed the following month with Graves’ Disease (a hyperthyroid autoimmune thingie). That stuff is fairly under control now, so Tues. night I decided to throw in the ciggie towel again.  Made it for 66 hrs. Now, here I sit, butt in one hand, drink in the other. Cold turkey is apparantly NOT something I can physically handle and it pisses me off immeasurably!  I feel like a weakling and a failure. Tomorrow I quit again – this time with the help of the patch – and hopefully, youz guyz.       <snip

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Mark! The exacerbation and duration of withdrawal symptoms from my previous "quit" was caused by the Graves’ Disease.  Hyperthyroid has you bouncing off walls without any help from outside. :  I’m hoping that since they’ve killed off the offending gland and I seem to have my thyroid medication fairly regulated, I won’t be such a bitch this time. I’ve also given my hubby permission to beat me firmly about the head and shoulders with a stout stick if I give him too much flack.  There’s a mood stabilizer for ya! :O) Although I would much rather *do* it and be done with it, I’ve decided to go with the Nicoderm CQ patch, and things have been a lot smoother today than over the previous 3 days.  Course, I am back to square one … well, at least back to 20H 59M (not that I’m counting), but I guess it’s to be expected after 40 years smoking 2 to 3 packs a day. Thanks for your suggestions – I’m armed with Cinnamon tea, cinnamon Altoids and a truckload of Caramel Tastations.

Yes, cinnamon is a great mood stabilizer!  Cinnamon gum carried me for most of these three years since I’ve been quit.  Couldn’t afford NRTs the whole time, you know.  The money I saved by not smoking was too easily turned into something I had to spend money on. Use cinnamon, it works! Mark

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PamY: Thanks Maddie … and an early congrats on your 2 month mark tomorrow!!!!

Thank *you*, Pam : ) Maddie, non-smoker since March 25, 2003 Jealously, zealously guard your quit.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  HI Pam! Welcome back!!     Im with you! I cant handle cold turkey either! I use te patch and it realy does help a lot while I get used to  doing smokefree what I used to do smoking. For me its a bit too much to deal with withdrawal symptoms and adjusting to changing to a smokefree life all at once.  Once Im accustomed to not smoking then I will start to taper off the patches.     Be sure to come back here and let us know how your first day was.     Rant and rave to your hearts content about whatever! Anything to help you not smoke!              Becky Six days, 16 hours, 35 minutes and 26 seconds. 267 cigarettes not smoked, saving $41.08. Life saved: 22 hours, 15 minutes. DOS 3-13-03

Hi Becky! I never quite thought about it that way, but you’re right.  Getting used to doing things without a cigarette without suffering the tortures of the damned is a big plus.   Thanx for the input and support … and congrats!  You’re almost a W! P. 22H 13M Haven’t killed anyone yet!   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all! Last time I was here was in Mar. 2000.  I quit 1/27/00, but it only lasted about 11 weeks.  At 11/12 weeks, the nerves, the cravings, my gawd-awful moodswings were all still in full swing, so I caved.  Was diagnosed the following month with Graves’ Disease (a hyperthyroid autoimmune thingie).   That stuff is fairly under control now, so Tues. night I decided to throw in the ciggie towel again.  Made it for 66 hrs. Now, here I sit, butt in one hand, drink in the other.   Cold turkey is apparantly NOT something I can physically handle and it pisses me off immeasurably!  I feel like a weakling and a failure. Tomorrow I quit again – this time with the help of the patch – and hopefully, youz guyz.

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Hey Pam I know what you mean about the triggers. It’s a beautiful day here, and DH and I went to the markets early and bought some cheap plants, then a nice brunch. Oooh yeah craving. Came home, out in the garden weeding and planting. Really craving my "rest" ciggie…I had to come in for a while and read AS3! I guess the triggers will keep coming for a while for us, just gotta keep our heads down and remember what we have planned to do if the crave is too much – for me, read and post, a glass of water, some yoga stretches or a short walk, or some chocolate. What are your trigger craves beaters?? Paula Nearly WWWW

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Paula! ‘Tis the patch for me.  Started this morning.  Must admit, it is a smoother ride.  I’m a bit shakey and crampy, but I don’t think they make a patch strong enough to accommodate a 2-3 pack a day 40 year habit. :-O Some of the triggers I discovered today surprised me.  I expected to crave a butt with my morning tea, but I didn’t.  Had a mild craving after supper – no biggie.  But while I was cooking dinner I kept reaching toward the ashtray.  The hardest one came when I was standing at the door waving goodbye to my kids.  Normally when they’re here, I grab a few drags in the bathroom … because of the grandbabies.  Then I fire one up as they’re pulling out of the driveway.  BOY did I want a butt then!!! Sorry.  I’m a rambler! :  You’ll be sorry you old me to post often! <vbg Thanks much for the support! P. 20H 43M Hi Pam Welcome back. If you can’t quit cold turkey, then try patches for sure. No shame in using the tools we have available to us! Best wishes…you know you can do 11 weeks, and you seem to have Graves under control, so welcome to your new life! Post often, let us know how you are doing, and if you wanna rant – this is the best place to do it. Paula WWW+ Hi all! Last time I was here was in Mar. 2000.  I quit 1/27/00, but it only lasted about 11 weeks.  At 11/12 weeks, the nerves, the cravings, my gawd-awful moodswings were all still in full swing, so I caved.  Was diagnosed the following month with Graves’ Disease (a hyperthyroid autoimmune thingie). That stuff is fairly under control now, so Tues. night I decided to throw in the ciggie towel again.  Made it for 66 hrs. Now, here I sit, butt in one hand, drink in the other. Cold turkey is apparantly NOT something I can physically handle and it pisses me off immeasurably!  I feel like a weakling and a failure. Tomorrow I quit again – this time with the help of the patch – and hopefully, youz guyz.       <snip

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all! Last time I was here was in Mar. 2000.  I quit 1/27/00, but it only lasted about 11 weeks.  At 11/12 weeks, the nerves, the cravings, my gawd-awful moodswings were all still in full swing, so I caved.  Was diagnosed the following month with Graves’ Disease (a hyperthyroid autoimmune thingie). That stuff is fairly under control now, so Tues. night I decided to throw in the ciggie towel again.  Made it for 66 hrs.       <snip Welcome back, Pam! There is no shame in admitting that cold turkey doesn’t work for you. I believe in the patch. I hope they work as well for you as they have in the past for me. Hang in there, and hang out here. I look forward to helping you celebrate those milestones. Miss Jean I have not had a cigarette in One month, two weeks, four days, 23 hours, 1 minute and 14 seconds. That’s 979 cigarettes not smoked, saving $99.79, and adding 3 days, 9 hours and 35 minutes to my life. But who’s counting?

Thank ya kindly, Miss Jean!  All this encouragement helps me to not feel like such a wuss! P. 20H 29M

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The improved version of you starts tomorrow! Can’t wait!!

The new and improved version is here!  Thanx! P. 20H 30M And I haven’t killed anyone yet

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Hey Paula! ‘Tis the patch for me.  Started this morning.  Must admit, it is a smoother ride.  I’m a bit shakey and crampy, but I don’t think they make a patch strong enough to accommodate a 2-3 pack a day 40 year habit. :-O Some of the triggers I discovered today surprised me.  I expected to crave a butt with my morning tea, but I didn’t.  Had a mild craving after supper – no biggie.  But while I was cooking dinner I kept reaching toward the ashtray.  The hardest one came when I was standing at the door waving goodbye to my kids.  Normally when they’re here, I grab a few drags in the bathroom … because of the grandbabies.  Then I fire one up as they’re pulling out of the driveway.  BOY did I want a butt then!!!   Sorry.  I’m a rambler! :  You’ll be sorry you old me to post often! <vbg Thanks much for the support! P. 20H 43M – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Pam Welcome back. If you can’t quit cold turkey, then try patches for sure. No shame in using the tools we have available to us! Best wishes…you know you can do 11 weeks, and you seem to have Graves under control, so welcome to your new life! Post often, let us know how you are doing, and if you wanna rant – this is the best place to do it. Paula WWW+ Hi all! Last time I was here was in Mar. 2000.  I quit 1/27/00, but it only lasted about 11 weeks.  At 11/12 weeks, the nerves, the cravings, my gawd-awful moodswings were all still in full swing, so I caved.  Was diagnosed the following month with Graves’ Disease (a hyperthyroid autoimmune thingie). That stuff is fairly under control now, so Tues. night I decided to throw in the ciggie towel again.  Made it for 66 hrs. Now, here I sit, butt in one hand, drink in the other. Cold turkey is apparantly NOT something I can physically handle and it pisses me off immeasurably!  I feel like a weakling and a failure. Tomorrow I quit again – this time with the help of the patch – and hopefully, youz guyz.

      <snip

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Hi Mark! The exacerbation and duration of withdrawal symptoms from my previous "quit" was caused by the Graves’ Disease.  Hyperthyroid has you bouncing off walls without any help from outside. :  I’m hoping that since they’ve killed off the offending gland and I seem to have my thyroid medication fairly regulated, I won’t be such a bitch this time. I’ve also given my hubby permission to beat me firmly about the head and shoulders with a stout stick if I give him too much flack.  There’s a mood stabilizer for ya! :O) Although I would much rather *do* it and be done with it, I’ve decided to go with the Nicoderm CQ patch, and things have been a lot smoother today than over the previous 3 days.  Course, I am back to square one … well, at least back to 20H 59M (not that I’m counting), but I guess it’s to be expected after 40 years smoking 2 to 3 packs a day. Thanks for your suggestions – I’m armed with Cinnamon tea, cinnamon Altoids and a truckload of Caramel Tastations.  Not to mention the support of family, friends and this group. Hope someday I can join you as a VOF.  For now I’m just a shakey old bat. <G P. 20H 7M – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Pam,     Welcome back!  If mood swings are a detriment to your quits, there are mood stabilizers available from your doctor.     Also, Welbutrin and Nicorettes worked for me.  And lots of cinnamon gum and a little coffee.     Don’t go cold turkey if you don’t have to.  NRTs are here to serve!     Mark     vof Hi all! Last time I was here was in Mar. 2000.  I quit 1/27/00, but it only lasted about 11 weeks.  At 11/12 weeks, the nerves, the cravings, my gawd-awful moodswings were all still in full swing, so I caved.  Was

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Thanks Pat.  Can’t exactly say I’m thrilled to be here <vbg, but I sure am glad I have here to come back to! Determined to become a VOF! P. 20H 10M – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Welcome back, Pam. …pat. Hi all! Last time I was here was in Mar. 2000.  I quit 1/27/00, but it only lasted about 11 weeks.  At 11/12 weeks, the nerves, the cravings, my gawd-awful moodswings were all still in full swing, so I caved.  Was diagnosed the following month with Graves’ Disease (a hyperthyroid autoimmune thingie).   That stuff is fairly under control now, so Tues. night I decided to throw in the ciggie towel again.  Made it for 66 hrs. Now, here I sit, butt in one hand, drink in the other.

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The improved version of you starts tomorrow! Can’t wait!!

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Hi Pam Welcome back. If you can’t quit cold turkey, then try patches for sure. No shame in using the tools we have available to us! Best wishes…you know you can do 11 weeks, and you seem to have Graves under control, so welcome to your new life! Post often, let us know how you are doing, and if you wanna rant – this is the best place to do it. Paula WWW+

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all! Last time I was here was in Mar. 2000.  I quit 1/27/00, but it only lasted about 11 weeks.  At 11/12 weeks, the nerves, the cravings, my gawd-awful moodswings were all still in full swing, so I caved.  Was diagnosed the following month with Graves’ Disease (a hyperthyroid autoimmune thingie). That stuff is fairly under control now, so Tues. night I decided to throw in the ciggie towel again.  Made it for 66 hrs. Now, here I sit, butt in one hand, drink in the other. Cold turkey is apparantly NOT something I can physically handle and it pisses me off immeasurably!  I feel like a weakling and a failure. Tomorrow I quit again – this time with the help of the patch – and hopefully, youz guyz. Btw, does anyone have the number for the New York quit helpline?  I’m gonna need all the help I can get! Although I don’t recognize any names (Aside from Stepper, Roadkill and SassySheSpock, Graves’ ate my memory), I know from past experience that you guys are the best.  So I thank you in advance for being here for me and I’ll see yuz tomorrow! Gonna be a quitter! P.             /          /            /    ^~~^  /             /     ( ” )              /     {      }             /        "  "                      YE OLDE BAT Visit my family at: Family http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=13553519&pw= Chicks http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=30048787&pw= My Kids http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=30049381&pw=

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – PamY: … Btw, does anyone have the number for the New York quit helpline?  I’m gonna need all the help I can get! … New York: 1-866-NYQUITS 1-800-280-1213 – Hearing Impaired (TDD/TTY) www.nysmokefree.com Welcome back and good luck : ) Stick close! Maddie, non-smoker since March 25, 2003 Jealously, zealously guard your quit.

Thanks Maddie … and an early congrats on your 2 month mark tomorrow!!!! P. 19H 42M

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all! Last time I was here was in Mar. 2000.  I quit 1/27/00, but it only lasted about 11 weeks.  At 11/12 weeks, the nerves, the cravings, my gawd-awful moodswings were all still in full swing, so I caved.  Was diagnosed the following month with Graves’ Disease (a hyperthyroid autoimmune thingie). That stuff is fairly under control now, so Tues. night I decided to throw in the ciggie towel again.  Made it for 66 hrs. Now, here I sit, butt in one hand, drink in the other. Cold turkey is apparantly NOT something I can physically handle and it pisses me off immeasurably!  I feel like a weakling and a failure. Tomorrow I quit again – this time with the help of the patch – and hopefully, youz guyz. Btw, does anyone have the number for the New York quit helpline?  I’m gonna need all the help I can get! Although I don’t recognize any names (Aside from Stepper, Roadkill and SassySheSpock, Graves’ ate my memory), I know from past experience that you guys are the best.  So I thank you in advance for being here for me and I’ll see yuz tomorrow! Gonna be a quitter! P.

Welcome back, Pam! There is no shame in admitting that cold turkey doesn’t work for you. I believe in the patch. I hope they work as well for you as they have in the past for me. Hang in there, and hang out here. I look forward to helping you celebrate those milestones. Miss Jean I have not had a cigarette in One month, two weeks, four days, 23 hours, 1 minute and 14 seconds. That’s 979 cigarettes not smoked, saving $99.79, and adding 3 days, 9 hours and 35 minutes to my life. But who’s counting?

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Welcome back, Pam. …pat. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all! Last time I was here was in Mar. 2000.  I quit 1/27/00, but it only lasted about 11 weeks.  At 11/12 weeks, the nerves, the cravings, my gawd-awful moodswings were all still in full swing, so I caved.  Was diagnosed the following month with Graves’ Disease (a hyperthyroid autoimmune thingie).   That stuff is fairly under control now, so Tues. night I decided to throw in the ciggie towel again.  Made it for 66 hrs. Now, here I sit, butt in one hand, drink in the other.   Cold turkey is apparantly NOT something I can physically handle and it pisses me off immeasurably!  I feel like a weakling and a failure. Tomorrow I quit again – this time with the help of the patch – and hopefully, youz guyz. Btw, does anyone have the number for the New York quit helpline?  I’m gonna need all the help I can get! Although I don’t recognize any names (Aside from Stepper, Roadkill and SassySheSpock, Graves’ ate my memory), I know from past experience that you guys are the best.  So I thank you in advance for being here for me and I’ll see yuz tomorrow! Gonna be a quitter! P.            /          /           /    ^~~^  /            /     ( ” )             /     {      }            /        "  "                     YE OLDE BAT Visit my family at: Family http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=13553519&pw= Chicks http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=30048787&pw= My Kids http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=30049381&pw=

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PamY: … Btw, does anyone have the number for the New York quit helpline?  I’m gonna need all the help I can get!

… New York: 1-866-NYQUITS 1-800-280-1213 – Hearing Impaired (TDD/TTY) www.nysmokefree.com Welcome back and good luck : ) Stick close! Maddie, non-smoker since March 25, 2003 Jealously, zealously guard your quit.

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Hi Pam,     Welcome back!  If mood swings are a detriment to your quits, there are mood stabilizers available from your doctor.     Also, Welbutrin and Nicorettes worked for me.  And lots of cinnamon gum and a little coffee.     Don’t go cold turkey if you don’t have to.  NRTs are here to serve!     Mark     vof

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all! Last time I was here was in Mar. 2000.  I quit 1/27/00, but it only lasted about 11 weeks.  At 11/12 weeks, the nerves, the cravings, my gawd-awful moodswings were all still in full swing, so I caved.  Was diagnosed the following month with Graves’ Disease (a hyperthyroid autoimmune thingie). That stuff is fairly under control now, so Tues. night I decided to throw in the ciggie towel again.  Made it for 66 hrs. Now, here I sit, butt in one hand, drink in the other. Cold turkey is apparantly NOT something I can physically handle and it pisses me off immeasurably!  I feel like a weakling and a failure. Tomorrow I quit again – this time with the help of the patch – and hopefully, youz guyz. Btw, does anyone have the number for the New York quit helpline?  I’m gonna need all the help I can get! Although I don’t recognize any names (Aside from Stepper, Roadkill and SassySheSpock, Graves’ ate my memory), I know from past experience that you guys are the best.  So I thank you in advance for being here for me and I’ll see yuz tomorrow! Gonna be a quitter! P.             /          /            /    ^~~^  /             /     ( ” )              /     {      }             /        "  "                      YE OLDE BAT Visit my family at: Family http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=13553519&pw= Chicks http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=30048787&pw= My Kids http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=30049381&pw=

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Hi all! Last time I was here was in Mar. 2000.  I quit 1/27/00, but it only lasted about 11 weeks.  At 11/12 weeks, the nerves, the cravings, my gawd-awful moodswings were all still in full swing, so I caved.  Was diagnosed the following month with Graves’ Disease (a hyperthyroid autoimmune thingie).   That stuff is fairly under control now, so Tues. night I decided to throw in the ciggie towel again.  Made it for 66 hrs. Now, here I sit, butt in one hand, drink in the other.   Cold turkey is apparantly NOT something I can physically handle and it pisses me off immeasurably!  I feel like a weakling and a failure. Tomorrow I quit again – this time with the help of the patch – and hopefully, youz guyz. Btw, does anyone have the number for the New York quit helpline?  I’m gonna need all the help I can get! Although I don’t recognize any names (Aside from Stepper, Roadkill and SassySheSpock, Graves’ ate my memory), I know from past experience that you guys are the best.  So I thank you in advance for being here for me and I’ll see yuz tomorrow! Gonna be a quitter! P.             /          /            /    ^~~^  /             /     ( ” )              /     {      }             /        "  "                      YE OLDE BAT Visit my family at: Family http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=13553519&pw= Chicks http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=30048787&pw= My Kids http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=30049381&pw=

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Hi all! Last time I was here was in Mar. 2000.  I quit 1/27/00, but it only lasted about 11 weeks.  At 11/12 weeks, the nerves, the cravings, my gawd-awful moodswings were all still in full swing, so I caved.  Was diagnosed the following month with Graves’ Disease (a hyperthyroid autoimmune thingie).   That stuff is fairly under control now, so Tues. night I decided to throw in the ciggie towel again.  Made it for 66 hrs. Now, here I sit, butt in one hand, drink in the other.   Cold turkey is apparantly NOT something I can physically handle and it pisses me off immeasurably!  I feel like a weakling and a failure. Tomorrow I quit again – this time with the help of the patch – and hopefully, youz guyz. Btw, does anyone have the number for the New York quit helpline?  I’m gonna need all the help I can get! Although I don’t recognize any names (Aside from Stepper, Roadkill and SassySheSpock, Graves’ ate my memory), I know from past experience that you guys are the best.  So I thank you in advance for being here for me and I’ll see yuz tomorrow! Gonna be a quitter! P.             /          /            /    ^~~^  /             /     ( ” )              /     {      }             /        "  "                      YE OLDE BAT Visit my family at: Family http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=13553519&pw= Chicks http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=30048787&pw= My Kids http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=30049381&pw=

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PamY: … Btw, does anyone have the number for the New York quit helpline?  I’m gonna need all the help I can get!

… New York: 1-866-NYQUITS 1-800-280-1213 – Hearing Impaired (TDD/TTY) www.nysmokefree.com Welcome back and good luck : ) Stick close! Maddie, non-smoker since March 25, 2003 Jealously, zealously guard your quit.

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Hi Pam,     Welcome back!  If mood swings are a detriment to your quits, there are mood stabilizers available from your doctor.     Also, Welbutrin and Nicorettes worked for me.  And lots of cinnamon gum and a little coffee.     Don’t go cold turkey if you don’t have to.  NRTs are here to serve!     Mark     vof

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all! Last time I was here was in Mar. 2000.  I quit 1/27/00, but it only lasted about 11 weeks.  At 11/12 weeks, the nerves, the cravings, my gawd-awful moodswings were all still in full swing, so I caved.  Was diagnosed the following month with Graves’ Disease (a hyperthyroid autoimmune thingie). That stuff is fairly under control now, so Tues. night I decided to throw in the ciggie towel again.  Made it for 66 hrs. Now, here I sit, butt in one hand, drink in the other. Cold turkey is apparantly NOT something I can physically handle and it pisses me off immeasurably!  I feel like a weakling and a failure. Tomorrow I quit again – this time with the help of the patch – and hopefully, youz guyz. Btw, does anyone have the number for the New York quit helpline?  I’m gonna need all the help I can get! Although I don’t recognize any names (Aside from Stepper, Roadkill and SassySheSpock, Graves’ ate my memory), I know from past experience that you guys are the best.  So I thank you in advance for being here for me and I’ll see yuz tomorrow! Gonna be a quitter! P.             /          /            /    ^~~^  /             /     ( ” )              /     {      }             /        "  "                      YE OLDE BAT Visit my family at: Family http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=13553519&pw= Chicks http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=30048787&pw= My Kids http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=30049381&pw=

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Welcome back, Pam. …pat. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all! Last time I was here was in Mar. 2000.  I quit 1/27/00, but it only lasted about 11 weeks.  At 11/12 weeks, the nerves, the cravings, my gawd-awful moodswings were all still in full swing, so I caved.  Was diagnosed the following month with Graves’ Disease (a hyperthyroid autoimmune thingie).   That stuff is fairly under control now, so Tues. night I decided to throw in the ciggie towel again.  Made it for 66 hrs. Now, here I sit, butt in one hand, drink in the other.   Cold turkey is apparantly NOT something I can physically handle and it pisses me off immeasurably!  I feel like a weakling and a failure. Tomorrow I quit again – this time with the help of the patch – and hopefully, youz guyz. Btw, does anyone have the number for the New York quit helpline?  I’m gonna need all the help I can get! Although I don’t recognize any names (Aside from Stepper, Roadkill and SassySheSpock, Graves’ ate my memory), I know from past experience that you guys are the best.  So I thank you in advance for being here for me and I’ll see yuz tomorrow! Gonna be a quitter! P.            /          /           /    ^~~^  /            /     ( ” )             /     {      }            /        "  "                     YE OLDE BAT Visit my family at: Family http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=13553519&pw= Chicks http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=30048787&pw= My Kids http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=30049381&pw=

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all! Last time I was here was in Mar. 2000.  I quit 1/27/00, but it only lasted about 11 weeks.  At 11/12 weeks, the nerves, the cravings, my gawd-awful moodswings were all still in full swing, so I caved.  Was diagnosed the following month with Graves’ Disease (a hyperthyroid autoimmune thingie). That stuff is fairly under control now, so Tues. night I decided to throw in the ciggie towel again.  Made it for 66 hrs. Now, here I sit, butt in one hand, drink in the other. Cold turkey is apparantly NOT something I can physically handle and it pisses me off immeasurably!  I feel like a weakling and a failure. Tomorrow I quit again – this time with the help of the patch – and hopefully, youz guyz. Btw, does anyone have the number for the New York quit helpline?  I’m gonna need all the help I can get! Although I don’t recognize any names (Aside from Stepper, Roadkill and SassySheSpock, Graves’ ate my memory), I know from past experience that you guys are the best.  So I thank you in advance for being here for me and I’ll see yuz tomorrow! Gonna be a quitter! P.

Welcome back, Pam! There is no shame in admitting that cold turkey doesn’t work for you. I believe in the patch. I hope they work as well for you as they have in the past for me. Hang in there, and hang out here. I look forward to helping you celebrate those milestones. Miss Jean I have not had a cigarette in One month, two weeks, four days, 23 hours, 1 minute and 14 seconds. That’s 979 cigarettes not smoked, saving $99.79, and adding 3 days, 9 hours and 35 minutes to my life. But who’s counting?

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The improved version of you starts tomorrow! Can’t wait!!

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Hi Pam Welcome back. If you can’t quit cold turkey, then try patches for sure. No shame in using the tools we have available to us! Best wishes…you know you can do 11 weeks, and you seem to have Graves under control, so welcome to your new life! Post often, let us know how you are doing, and if you wanna rant – this is the best place to do it. Paula WWW+

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all! Last time I was here was in Mar. 2000.  I quit 1/27/00, but it only lasted about 11 weeks.  At 11/12 weeks, the nerves, the cravings, my gawd-awful moodswings were all still in full swing, so I caved.  Was diagnosed the following month with Graves’ Disease (a hyperthyroid autoimmune thingie). That stuff is fairly under control now, so Tues. night I decided to throw in the ciggie towel again.  Made it for 66 hrs. Now, here I sit, butt in one hand, drink in the other. Cold turkey is apparantly NOT something I can physically handle and it pisses me off immeasurably!  I feel like a weakling and a failure. Tomorrow I quit again – this time with the help of the patch – and hopefully, youz guyz. Btw, does anyone have the number for the New York quit helpline?  I’m gonna need all the help I can get! Although I don’t recognize any names (Aside from Stepper, Roadkill and SassySheSpock, Graves’ ate my memory), I know from past experience that you guys are the best.  So I thank you in advance for being here for me and I’ll see yuz tomorrow! Gonna be a quitter! P.             /          /            /    ^~~^  /             /     ( ” )              /     {      }             /        "  "                      YE OLDE BAT Visit my family at: Family http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=13553519&pw= Chicks http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=30048787&pw= My Kids http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1758064&a=30049381&pw=

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – PamY: … Btw, does anyone have the number for the New York quit helpline?  I’m gonna need all the help I can get! … New York: 1-866-NYQUITS 1-800-280-1213 – Hearing Impaired (TDD/TTY) www.nysmokefree.com Welcome back and good luck : ) Stick close! Maddie, non-smoker since March 25, 2003 Jealously, zealously guard your quit.

Thanks Maddie … and an early congrats on your 2 month mark tomorrow!!!! P. 19H 42M

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Hi Mark! The exacerbation and duration of withdrawal symptoms from my previous "quit" was caused by the Graves’ Disease.  Hyperthyroid has you bouncing off walls without any help from outside. :  I’m hoping that since they’ve killed off the offending gland and I seem to have my thyroid medication fairly regulated, I won’t be such a bitch this time. I’ve also given my hubby permission to beat me firmly about the head and shoulders with a stout stick if I give him too much flack.  There’s a mood stabilizer for ya! :O) Although I would much rather *do* it and be done with it, I’ve decided to go with the Nicoderm CQ patch, and things have been a lot smoother today than over the previous 3 days.  Course, I am back to square one … well, at least back to 20H 59M (not that I’m counting), but I guess it’s to be expected after 40 years smoking 2 to 3 packs a day. Thanks for your suggestions – I’m armed with Cinnamon tea, cinnamon Altoids and a truckload of Caramel Tastations.  Not to mention the support of family, friends and this group. Hope someday I can join you as a VOF.  For now I’m just a shakey old bat. <G P. 20H 7M – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Pam,     Welcome back!  If mood swings are a detriment to your quits, there are mood stabilizers available from your doctor.     Also, Welbutrin and Nicorettes worked for me.  And lots of cinnamon gum and a little coffee.     Don’t go cold turkey if you don’t have to.  NRTs are here to serve!     Mark     vof Hi all! Last time I was here was in Mar. 2000.  I quit 1/27/00, but it only lasted about 11 weeks.  At 11/12 weeks, the nerves, the cravings, my gawd-awful moodswings were all still in full swing, so I caved.  Was

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Thanks Pat.  Can’t exactly say I’m thrilled to be here <vbg, but I sure am glad I have here to come back to! Determined to become a VOF! P. 20H 10M – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Welcome back, Pam. …pat. Hi all! Last time I was here was in Mar. 2000.  I quit 1/27/00, but it only lasted about 11 weeks.  At 11/12 weeks, the nerves, the cravings, my gawd-awful moodswings were all still in full swing, so I caved.  Was diagnosed the following month with Graves’ Disease (a hyperthyroid autoimmune thingie).   That stuff is fairly under control now, so Tues. night I decided to throw in the ciggie towel again.  Made it for 66 hrs. Now, here I sit, butt in one hand, drink in the other.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all! Last time I was here was in Mar. 2000.  I quit 1/27/00, but it only lasted about 11 weeks.  At 11/12 weeks, the nerves, the cravings, my gawd-awful moodswings were all still in full swing, so I caved.  Was diagnosed the following month with Graves’ Disease (a hyperthyroid autoimmune thingie). That stuff is fairly under control now, so Tues. night I decided to throw in the ciggie towel again.  Made it for 66 hrs.       <snip Welcome back, Pam! There is no shame in admitting that cold turkey doesn’t work for you. I believe in the patch. I hope they work as well for you as they have in the past for me. Hang in there, and hang out here. I look forward to helping you celebrate those milestones. Miss Jean I have not had a cigarette in One month, two weeks, four days, 23 hours, 1 minute and 14 seconds. That’s 979 cigarettes not smoked, saving $99.79, and adding 3 days, 9 hours and 35 minutes to my life. But who’s counting?

Thank ya kindly, Miss Jean!  All this encouragement helps me to not feel like such a wuss! P. 20H 29M

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The improved version of you starts tomorrow! Can’t wait!!

The new and improved version is here!  Thanx! P. 20H 30M And I haven’t killed anyone yet

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Hey Paula! ‘Tis the patch for me.  Started this morning.  Must admit, it is a smoother ride.  I’m a bit shakey and crampy, but I don’t think they make a patch strong enough to accommodate a 2-3 pack a day 40 year habit. :-O Some of the triggers I discovered today surprised me.  I expected to crave a butt with my morning tea, but I didn’t.  Had a mild craving after supper – no biggie.  But while I was cooking dinner I kept reaching toward the ashtray.  The hardest one came when I was standing at the door waving goodbye to my kids.  Normally when they’re here, I grab a few drags in the bathroom … because of the grandbabies.  Then I fire one up as they’re pulling out of the driveway.  BOY did I want a butt then!!!   Sorry.  I’m a rambler! :  You’ll be sorry you old me to post often! <vbg Thanks much for the support! P. 20H 43M – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Pam Welcome back. If you can’t quit cold turkey, then try patches for sure. No shame in using the tools we have available to us! Best wishes…you know you can do 11 weeks, and you seem to have Graves under control, so welcome to your new life! Post often, let us know how you are doing, and if you wanna rant – this is the best place to do it. Paula WWW+ Hi all! Last time I was here was in Mar. 2000.  I quit 1/27/00, but it only lasted about 11 weeks.  At 11/12 weeks, the nerves, the cravings, my gawd-awful moodswings were all still in full swing, so I caved.  Was diagnosed the following month with Graves’ Disease (a hyperthyroid autoimmune thingie). That stuff is fairly under control now, so Tues. night I decided to throw in the ciggie towel again.  Made it for 66 hrs. Now, here I sit, butt in one hand, drink in the other. Cold turkey is apparantly NOT something I can physically handle and it pisses me off immeasurably!  I feel like a weakling and a failure. Tomorrow I quit again – this time with the help of the patch – and hopefully, youz guyz.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  HI Pam! Welcome back!!     Im with you! I cant handle cold turkey either! I use te patch and it realy does help a lot while I get used to  doing smokefree what I used to do smoking. For me its a bit too much to deal with withdrawal symptoms and adjusting to changing to a smokefree life all at once.  Once Im accustomed to not smoking then I will start to taper off the patches.     Be sure to come back here and let us know how your first day was.     Rant and rave to your hearts content about whatever! Anything to help you not smoke!              Becky Six days, 16 hours, 35 minutes and 26 seconds. 267 cigarettes not smoked, saving $41.08. Life saved: 22 hours, 15 minutes. DOS 3-13-03

Hi Becky! I never quite thought about it that way, but you’re right.  Getting used to doing things without a cigarette without suffering the tortures of the damned is a big plus.   Thanx for the input and support … and congrats!  You’re almost a W! P. 22H 13M Haven’t killed anyone yet!   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all! Last time I was here was in Mar. 2000.  I quit 1/27/00, but it only lasted about 11 weeks.  At 11/12 weeks, the nerves, the cravings, my gawd-awful moodswings were all still in full swing, so I caved.  Was diagnosed the following month with Graves’ Disease (a hyperthyroid autoimmune thingie).   That stuff is fairly under control now, so Tues. night I decided to throw in the ciggie towel again.  Made it for 66 hrs. Now, here I sit, butt in one hand, drink in the other.   Cold turkey is apparantly NOT something I can physically handle and it pisses me off immeasurably!  I feel like a weakling and a failure. Tomorrow I quit again – this time with the help of the patch – and hopefully, youz guyz.

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Hey Pam I know what you mean about the triggers. It’s a beautiful day here, and DH and I went to the markets early and bought some cheap plants, then a nice brunch. Oooh yeah craving. Came home, out in the garden weeding and planting. Really craving my "rest" ciggie…I had to come in for a while and read AS3! I guess the triggers will keep coming for a while for us, just gotta keep our heads down and remember what we have planned to do if the crave is too much – for me, read and post, a glass of water, some yoga stretches or a short walk, or some chocolate. What are your trigger craves beaters?? Paula Nearly WWWW

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Paula! ‘Tis the patch for me.  Started this morning.  Must admit, it is a smoother ride.  I’m a bit shakey and crampy, but I don’t think they make a patch strong enough to accommodate a 2-3 pack a day 40 year habit. :-O Some of the triggers I discovered today surprised me.  I expected to crave a butt with my morning tea, but I didn’t.  Had a mild craving after supper – no biggie.  But while I was cooking dinner I kept reaching toward the ashtray.  The hardest one came when I was standing at the door waving goodbye to my kids.  Normally when they’re here, I grab a few drags in the bathroom … because of the grandbabies.  Then I fire one up as they’re pulling out of the driveway.  BOY did I want a butt then!!! Sorry.  I’m a rambler! :  You’ll be sorry you old me to post often! <vbg Thanks much for the support! P. 20H 43M Hi Pam Welcome back. If you can’t quit cold turkey, then try patches for sure. No shame in using the tools we have available to us! Best wishes…you know you can do 11 weeks, and you seem to have Graves under control, so welcome to your new life! Post often, let us know how you are doing, and if you wanna rant – this is the best place to do it. Paula WWW+ Hi all! Last time I was here was in Mar. 2000.  I quit 1/27/00, but it only lasted about 11 weeks.  At 11/12 weeks, the nerves, the cravings, my gawd-awful moodswings were all still in full swing, so I caved.  Was diagnosed the following month with Graves’ Disease (a hyperthyroid autoimmune thingie). That stuff is fairly under control now, so Tues. night I decided to throw in the ciggie towel again.  Made it for 66 hrs. Now, here I sit, butt in one hand, drink in the other. Cold turkey is apparantly NOT something I can physically handle and it pisses me off immeasurably!  I feel like a weakling and a failure. Tomorrow I quit again – this time with the help of the patch – and hopefully, youz guyz.       <snip

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Mark! The exacerbation and duration of withdrawal symptoms from my previous "quit" was caused by the Graves’ Disease.  Hyperthyroid has you bouncing off walls without any help from outside. :  I’m hoping that since they’ve killed off the offending gland and I seem to have my thyroid medication fairly regulated, I won’t be such a bitch this time. I’ve also given my hubby permission to beat me firmly about the head and shoulders with a stout stick if I give him too much flack.  There’s a mood stabilizer for ya! :O) Although I would much rather *do* it and be done with it, I’ve decided to go with the Nicoderm CQ patch, and things have been a lot smoother today than over the previous 3 days.  Course, I am back to square one … well, at least back to 20H 59M (not that I’m counting), but I guess it’s to be expected after 40 years smoking 2 to 3 packs a day. Thanks for your suggestions – I’m armed with Cinnamon tea, cinnamon Altoids and a truckload of Caramel Tastations.

Yes, cinnamon is a great mood stabilizer!  Cinnamon gum carried me for most of these three years since I’ve been quit.  Couldn’t afford NRTs the whole time, you know.  The money I saved by not smoking was too easily turned into something I had to spend money on. Use cinnamon, it works! Mark

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PamY: Thanks Maddie … and an early congrats on your 2 month mark tomorrow!!!!

Thank *you*, Pam : ) Maddie, non-smoker since March 25, 2003 Jealously, zealously guard your quit.

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Hi Paula, Wtg on your upcoming WWWW!  As a DD <g that looks sooooo far away. Since I’m still new to this business, I’m not certain yet what my trigger crave beaters are.  I am reading and posting, drinking water, sucking cinnamon Altoids and caramel hard candies like there’s no tomorrow.   But for the really nasty cravings, so far 2 things have worked well. Unfortunately, both are "food".  One is a cup of Cinnamon Stick tea with a slice of cinnamon toast.  But the best one is fake crab.  That immitation seafood stuff?  I made up a batch of cocktail sauce – heavy on the horseradish (I’m not a hot food person).  When the cravings get really intense, I dip a few hunks of "crab" in the sauce.  The resulting "burn" takes my mind off the crave and keeps my mouth busy thinking of other things for quite a while. <bg P. Cigs not smoked:  72   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Pam I know what you mean about the triggers. It’s a beautiful day here, and DH and I went to the markets early and bought some cheap plants, then a nice brunch. Oooh yeah craving. Came home, out in the garden weeding and planting. Really craving my "rest" ciggie…I had to come in for a while and read AS3! I guess the triggers will keep coming for a while for us, just gotta keep our heads down and remember what we have planned to do if the crave is too much – for me, read and post, a glass of water, some yoga stretches or a short walk, or some chocolate. What are your trigger craves beaters?? Paula Nearly WWWW Hey Paula! ‘Tis the patch for me.  Started this morning.  Must admit, it is a smoother ride.  I’m a bit shakey and crampy, but I don’t think they make a patch strong enough to accommodate a 2-3 pack a day 40 year habit. :-O Some of the triggers I discovered today surprised me.  I expected to crave a butt with my morning tea, but I didn’t.  Had a mild craving after supper – no biggie.  But while I was cooking dinner I kept reaching toward the ashtray.  The hardest one came when I was standing at the door waving goodbye to my kids.  Normally when they’re here, I grab a few drags in the bathroom … because of the grandbabies.  Then I fire one up as they’re pulling out of the driveway.  BOY did I want a butt then!!! Sorry.  I’m a rambler! :  You’ll be sorry you old me to post often! <vbg Thanks much for the support! P. 20H 43M Hi Pam Welcome back. If you can’t quit cold turkey, then try patches for sure. No shame in using the tools we have available to us! Best wishes…you know you can do 11 weeks, and you seem to have Graves under control, so welcome to your new life! Post often, let us know how you are doing, and if you wanna rant – this is the best place to do it. Paula WWW+ Hi all! Last time I was here was in Mar. 2000.  I quit 1/27/00, but it only lasted about 11 weeks.  At 11/12 weeks, the nerves, the cravings, my gawd-awful moodswings were all still in full swing, so I caved.  Was diagnosed the following month with Graves’ Disease (a hyperthyroid autoimmune thingie). That stuff is fairly under control now, so Tues. night I decided to throw in the ciggie towel again.  Made it for 66 hrs. Now, here I sit, butt in one hand, drink in the other. Cold turkey is apparantly NOT something I can physically handle and it pisses me off immeasurably!  I feel like a weakling and a failure. Tomorrow I quit again – this time with the help of the patch – and hopefully, youz guyz.       <snip

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Hi Paula, Wtg on your upcoming WWWW!  As a DD <g that looks sooooo far away.

Thanks Pam! I blew a QOF quit a while back, so not too excited yet…maybe when I reach HOF I’ll be feeling better about this! Since I’m still new to this business, I’m not certain yet what my trigger crave beaters are.  I am reading and posting, drinking water, sucking cinnamon Altoids and caramel hard candies like there’s no tomorrow.

Water is great, herbal teas are good too – sweet ones like berry work well for me. But for the really nasty cravings, so far 2 things have worked well. Unfortunately, both are "food".  One is a cup of Cinnamon Stick tea with a slice of cinnamon toast.  But the best one is fake crab.  That immitation seafood stuff?  I made up a batch of cocktail sauce – heavy on the horseradish (I’m not a hot food person).  When the cravings get really intense, I dip a few hunks of "crab" in the sauce.  The resulting "burn" takes my mind off the crave and keeps my mouth busy thinking of other things for quite a while. <bg

Good for you – I figure a little food at the beginning a quit is fine, just try and do a little extra exercise to counteract it – it makes you feel better too! My downfall right now is chocolate macaroons…ahhh bliss! Hang in there DD woman! Paula – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – P. Cigs not smoked:  72 Hey Pam I know what you mean about the triggers. It’s a beautiful day here, and DH and I went to the markets early and bought some cheap plants, then a nice brunch. Oooh yeah craving. Came home, out in the garden weeding and planting. Really craving my "rest" ciggie…I had to come in for a while and read AS3! I guess the triggers will keep coming for a while for us, just gotta keep our heads down and remember what we have planned to do if the crave is too much – for me, read and post, a glass of water, some yoga stretches or a short walk, or some chocolate. What are your trigger craves beaters?? Paula Nearly WWWW Hey Paula! ‘Tis the patch for me.  Started this morning.  Must admit, it is a smoother ride.  I’m a bit shakey and crampy, but I don’t think they make a patch strong enough to accommodate a 2-3 pack a day 40 year habit. :-O Some of the triggers I discovered today surprised me.  I expected to crave a butt with my morning tea, but I didn’t.  Had a mild craving after supper – no biggie.  But while I was cooking dinner I kept reaching toward the ashtray.  The hardest one came when I was standing at the door waving goodbye to my kids.  Normally when they’re here, I grab a few drags in the bathroom … because of the grandbabies.  Then I fire one up as they’re pulling out of the driveway.  BOY did I want a butt then!!! Sorry.  I’m a rambler! :  You’ll be sorry you old me to post often! <vbg Thanks much for the support! P. 20H 43M Hi Pam Welcome back. If you can’t quit cold turkey, then try patches for sure. No shame in using the tools we have available to us! Best wishes…you know you can do 11 weeks, and you seem to have Graves under control, so welcome to your new life! Post often, let us know how you are doing, and if you wanna rant – this is the best place to do it. Paula WWW+ Hi all! Last time I was here was in Mar. 2000.  I quit 1/27/00, but it only lasted about 11 weeks.  At 11/12 weeks, the nerves, the cravings, my gawd-awful moodswings were all still in full swing, so I caved. Was diagnosed the following month with Graves’ Disease (a hyperthyroid autoimmune thingie). That stuff is fairly under control now, so Tues. night I decided to throw in the ciggie towel again.  Made it for 66 hrs. Now, here I sit, butt in one hand, drink in the other. Cold turkey is apparantly NOT something I can physically handle and it pisses me off immeasurably!  I feel like a weakling and a failure. Tomorrow I quit again – this time with the help of the patch – and hopefully, youz guyz.       <snip

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Sounds like attending three times a week instead of five was the right decision. Sometimes I think I like the inches off measurement more than the pounds off measurement. I can see smaller, I can’t see lighter. — Prairie Roots 232/208.6/IFFC 202/157 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah!  I lost 1 1/2 inches off my abs….that’s right where I needed it most!  I’ve lost 1/2 pound in a month (WW WI showed me the same), but I’d rather have inches lost any day! — SuzyQ Weight 126.4 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 SSC http://www.chiefimaging.com/asdww/index.htm

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Thanks Brenda. — SuzyQ Weight 126.4 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 SSC http://www.chiefimaging.com/asdww/index.htm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Congratulations SuzyQ!  This is great news! Brenda 209/184/150 IFFC goal 175 Yeah!  I lost 1 1/2 inches off my abs….that’s right where I needed it most!  I’ve lost 1/2 pound in a month (WW WI showed me the same), but I’d rather have inches lost any day! — SuzyQ Weight 126.4 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 SSC http://www.chiefimaging.com/asdww/index.htm

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That’s awesome, Suzy! Yes, I rather go for the inches as well….after all, that is what is visible….

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That’s true, I guess I haven’t really thought of it that way. — SuzyQ Weight 126.4 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 SSC http://www.chiefimaging.com/asdww/index.htm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s awesome, Suzy! Yes, I rather go for the inches as well….after all, that is what is visible…. Yeah!  I lost 1 1/2 inches off my abs….that’s right where I needed it most!  I’ve lost 1/2 pound in a month (WW WI showed me the same), but I’d rather have inches lost any day! — SuzyQ Weight 126.4 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 SSC http://www.chiefimaging.com/asdww/index.htm

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Yeah!  I lost 1 1/2 inches off my abs….that’s right where I needed it most!  I’ve lost 1/2 pound in a month (WW WI showed me the same), but I’d rather have inches lost any day! — SuzyQ Weight 126.4 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 SSC http://www.chiefimaging.com/asdww/index.htm

Well done!  I personally prefer going down a clothes size than down a certain amount of weight too.  And of course, exercise may tone muscle, making weight loss slower, but still helping inch loss!  That’s what I keep reminding myself anyway ;o) Keep it up! Laura

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FAAAAANNNNtastic, SuzyQ, congrats. Linda 252/193.8/136 Yeah! I lost 1 1/2 inches off my abs….that’s right where I needed it most! I’ve lost 1/2 pound in a month (WW WI showed me the same), but I’d rather have inches lost any day! — SuzyQ Weight 126.4 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 SSC http://www.chiefimaging.com/asdww/index.htm

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My leader always tells a story about a woman who said she doesn’t care what she weighs as long as she fits in a size 8. Same principle. — Joy 285/250.2/150 Started WW 1/1/02

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s true, I guess I haven’t really thought of it that way. — SuzyQ Weight 126.4 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 SSC http://www.chiefimaging.com/asdww/index.htm That’s awesome, Suzy! Yes, I rather go for the inches as well….after all, that is what is visible…. Yeah!  I lost 1 1/2 inches off my abs….that’s right where I needed it most!  I’ve lost 1/2 pound in a month (WW WI showed me the same), but I’d rather have inches lost any day! — SuzyQ Weight 126.4 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 SSC http://www.chiefimaging.com/asdww/index.htm

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Congratulations!  Even if the weight hasn’t change, your shape has! Take Care Catherine 154/134/126 WWLifetime 6/99

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I think WW and curves are a good combination.  It doesn’t ALL show on the scale though, so keep that in mind. — SuzyQ Weight 126.4 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 SSC http://www.chiefimaging.com/asdww/index.htm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good for you, SuzyQ! I just joined Curves 2 weeks ago, so I haven’t been re-measured yet, but my clothes are definitely fitting better. I have to give some of the credit to WW though. Cindy 162/155—5 lbs. from WW official goal (20 lbs. from my fantasy goal) Lifetime Membership  Aug 98 (original goal 140 lbs) Yeah!  I lost 1 1/2 inches off my abs….that’s right where I needed it most!  I’ve lost 1/2 pound in a month (WW WI showed me the same), but I’d rather have inches lost any day! — SuzyQ Weight 126.4 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 SSC http://www.chiefimaging.com/asdww/index.htm

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Thanks, Melissa. — SuzyQ Weight 126.4 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 SSC http://www.chiefimaging.com/asdww/index.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Woohoo!!! Melissa in NJ — and the "Boos Hounds" (Bear, Bits, and Lexus) and Maxi (aka Witch Kitty with a "B"), Kenobi (aka "Kitty Wan Kenobi"), and Salem (aka "Salem the Yak") Quilt Something for Yourself!    Adopt a Racing Greyhound! — — Yeah!  I lost 1 1/2 inches off my abs….that’s right where I needed it most!  I’ve lost 1/2 pound in a month (WW WI showed me the same), but I’d rather have inches lost any day! — SuzyQ Weight 126.4 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 SSC http://www.chiefimaging.com/asdww/index.htm

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Wow, that’s a great report, SuzyQ! Congratulations! I also think the inches are better than the pounds Elaine K 331.4/189.2/179 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah!  I lost 1 1/2 inches off my abs….that’s right where I needed it most!  I’ve lost 1/2 pound in a month (WW WI showed me the same), but I’d rather have inches lost any day! — SuzyQ Weight 126.4 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 SSC http://www.chiefimaging.com/asdww/index.htm

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Thanks Elaine. — SuzyQ Weight 126.4 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 SSC http://www.chiefimaging.com/asdww/index.htm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wow, that’s a great report, SuzyQ! Congratulations! I also think the inches are better than the pounds Elaine K 331.4/189.2/179 Yeah!  I lost 1 1/2 inches off my abs….that’s right where I needed it most!  I’ve lost 1/2 pound in a month (WW WI showed me the same), but I’d rather have inches lost any day! — SuzyQ Weight 126.4 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 SSC http://www.chiefimaging.com/asdww/index.htm

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Thanks JR. — SuzyQ Weight 126.4 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 SSC http://www.chiefimaging.com/asdww/index.htm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – AWESOME Yeah!  I lost 1 1/2 inches off my abs….that’s right where I needed it most!  I’ve lost 1/2 pound in a month (WW WI showed me the same), but I’d rather have inches lost any day! — SuzyQ Weight 126.4 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 SSC http://www.chiefimaging.com/asdww/index.htm

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Yes, I have noticed looser clothes, and people are noticing.  I’d still like to see it on the scale. — SuzyQ Weight 126.4 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 SSC http://www.chiefimaging.com/asdww/index.htm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah…it’s good to remember that the scale isn’t the only measure of success. Losing inches means looser clothes and a better body shape. Nobody else ever sees the number on the scale – but the better body shape is out there for everybody to see! Good for you! Paper 250.6/244.2/150? Dream it, believe it, and you can achieve it. Yeah!  I lost 1 1/2 inches off my abs….that’s right where I needed it most!  I’ve lost 1/2 pound in a month (WW WI showed me the same), but I’d rather have inches lost any day!

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Hi Suzy, Way to go with the inches! You are so right about them being more important than pounds. This "Curves" sounds fantastic – pity we don’t have anything like that round here, just a rather over-priced gym. Yeah!  I lost 1 1/2 inches off my abs….that’s right where I needed it most!  I’ve lost 1/2 pound in a month (WW WI showed me the same), but I’d rather have inches lost any day! — SuzyQ Weight 126.4 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 SSC http://www.chiefimaging.com/asdww/index.htm

– Anna Hayward started 176/now 161/goal 142 Started WW (online) 21/03/03 at 176 lbs 1st Mini-goal (1st stone): 162 lbs (achieved 02/05/03) 10% Goal: 158 lbs IFFC goal: 155 lbs

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Great job, SuzyQ! Did you cut back your workouts? — Joy 285/250.2/150 Started WW 1/1/02

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Good for you, SuzyQ! I just joined Curves 2 weeks ago, so I haven’t been re-measured yet, but my clothes are definitely fitting better. I have to give some of the credit to WW though. Cindy 162/155—5 lbs. from WW official goal (20 lbs. from my fantasy goal) Lifetime Membership  Aug 98 (original goal 140 lbs)

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Woohoo!!! Melissa in NJ — and the "Boos Hounds" (Bear, Bits, and Lexus) and Maxi (aka Witch Kitty with a "B"), Kenobi (aka "Kitty Wan Kenobi"), and Salem (aka "Salem the Yak") Quilt Something for Yourself!    Adopt a Racing Greyhound! — —

Yeah!  I lost 1 1/2 inches off my abs….that’s right where I needed it most!  I’ve lost 1/2 pound in a month (WW WI showed me the same), but I’d rather have inches lost any day! — SuzyQ Weight 126.4 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 SSC http://www.chiefimaging.com/asdww/index.htm

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Congratulations SuzyQ!  This is great news! Brenda 209/184/150 IFFC goal 175

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Yeah!  I lost 1 1/2 inches off my abs….that’s right where I needed it most!  I’ve lost 1/2 pound in a month (

Ok, I read this as "I lost 1/2 pound in my mouth." Time to go to bed! -L.

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It is too bad you don’t have them.  It’s really fun, time goes by quickly and it’s over before I know it. — SuzyQ Weight 126.4 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 SSC http://www.chiefimaging.com/asdww/index.htm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Suzy, Way to go with the inches! You are so right about them being more important than pounds. This "Curves" sounds fantastic – pity we don’t have anything like that round here, just a rather over-priced gym. Yeah!  I lost 1 1/2 inches off my abs….that’s right where I needed it most!  I’ve lost 1/2 pound in a month (WW WI showed me the same), but I’d rather have inches lost any day! — SuzyQ Weight 126.4 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 SSC http://www.chiefimaging.com/asdww/index.htm — Anna Hayward started 176/now 161/goal 142 Started WW (online) 21/03/03 at 176 lbs 1st Mini-goal (1st stone): 162 lbs (achieved 02/05/03) 10% Goal: 158 lbs IFFC goal: 155 lbs

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Thanks Joy.  Yes, I used to go every day, now I go mon, wed, fri.  I think it may be better to allow a day in between.  I still get 30 minutes every morning walking, exercising on the ball, and yoga stretches. — SuzyQ Weight 126.4 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 SSC http://www.chiefimaging.com/asdww/index.htm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Great job, SuzyQ! Did you cut back your workouts? — Joy 285/250.2/150 Started WW 1/1/02 Yeah!  I lost 1 1/2 inches off my abs….that’s right where I needed it most!  I’ve lost 1/2 pound in a month (WW WI showed me the same), but I’d rather have inches lost any day! — SuzyQ Weight 126.4 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 SSC http://www.chiefimaging.com/asdww/index.htm

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Yeah!  I lost 1 1/2 inches off my abs….that’s right where I needed it most!  I’ve lost 1/2 pound in a month (WW WI showed me the same), but I’d rather have inches lost any day! — SuzyQ Weight 126.4 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 SSC http://www.chiefimaging.com/asdww/index.htm

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Yeah…it’s good to remember that the scale isn’t the only measure of success. Losing inches means looser clothes and a better body shape. Nobody else ever sees the number on the scale – but the better body shape is out there for everybody to see! Good for you! Paper 250.6/244.2/150? Dream it, believe it, and you can achieve it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah!  I lost 1 1/2 inches off my abs….that’s right where I needed it most!  I’ve lost 1/2 pound in a month (WW WI showed me the same), but I’d rather have inches lost any day!

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AWESOME

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Good morning! I went to my second Yoga class last night and I must say I absolutely love it! Does anyone  on this NG have experience in Yoga? I feel this is the tool that is going to see me through this time…. Great Tuesday, everyone Karin

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I do a few yoga stretches each morning and go through the 10 principles.  I made myself a DVD for this purpose.  It has helped my flexibility and starts my day with a good outlook.  I find myself later in the day thinking about the ‘content in the moment’, tolerance and nonhoarding.  I only started this a couple of months ago, and am NOT an expert by any means. — SuzyQ Weight 126.4 WW Lifetime Membership Feb 03 SSC http://www.chiefimaging.com/asdww/index.htm

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I don’t go to classes but did for quite a while when I was younger. I still do the deep breathing & some of the stretches & find them very relaxing – expecially at bed time. Elaine K 331.4/188.6/179 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good morning! I went to my second Yoga class last night and I must say I absolutely love it! Does anyone  on this NG have experience in Yoga? I feel this is the tool that is going to see me through this time…. Great Tuesday, everyone Karin

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no experience with yoga but glad you are enjoying it, Lee

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I did it for 18 months.  Best thing I ever did for myself. Once I’m down another 20 lbs I am back. Good for you! Cameron

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Has anyone tried yoga for weight loss?  I just got a new DVD and was wondering if really works.  It does seem that I didn’t do alot but my muscles feel shaky. Let me know… Alita

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Has anyone tried yoga for weight loss?  I just got a new DVD and was wondering if really works.  It does seem that I didn’t do alot but my muscles feel shaky. Let me know… Alita

Hi Alita, I do yoga and I love it. I am 51 and I am regaining flexiblility I thought was long lost. ANY movement is good movement when you are starting a weight loss regimen in my book. I find yoga especially helpful because of the breathing and centering and the total body workout that is involved. I also work out with weights two days a week and ride a recumbent bike….but yoga is my favorite! Give it a try and see how you feel. Good luck to you. Pattybelle 199.8/156.4

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I love it!  I alternate it with aerobics sessions – and have developed muscles in places I never knew they were.  I’m far more flexible now too. Some of the postures are great for digestive stuff too, which I reckon has proved helpful in the past. — krys UK 157/123.5/126 Started March 1st 2001 GOAL August 16th 2001 "Not all who wander are lost" JRR Tolkien http://community.webshots.com/user/krystrot

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So I’m wondering, is warming up the body before a yoga session typically taught and/or a generally accepted procedure in the world of yoga? Most classes warm up before doing the deep stretching. We don’t jog first, like you might do in athletic practice, but we heat the body with deep breathing, loosen with gentle warm-ups, move to sun salutations which create a lot of heat and then onto the more vigorous stretching. A good teacher will always move the class in a safe progression.

I totally agree with you Betty. It’s the same in Kundalini Yoga. There is allways a warm up done before the Yoga exercising. — Sat Nam – Hari Har Singh FAQ altyoga newsgroup: http://www.altyoga.de.vu Kundalini Yoga: http://www.3ho.de/

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So I’m wondering, is warming up the body before a yoga session typically taught and/or a generally accepted procedure in the world of yoga?

Most classes warm up before doing the deep stretching. We don’t jog first, like you might do in athletic practice, but we heat the body with deep breathing, loosen with gentle warm-ups, move to sun salutations which create a lot of heat and then onto the more vigorous stretching. A good teacher will always move the class in a safe progression.

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I have a question as an unexperienced yoga practitioner.  Having participated in high school and college athletics, I was always taught to warm up my body BEFORE stretching.  Some people may argue this and stretching while cold still seems to be a popular misconception being taught in athletic programs everywhere.  But anyone that doesn’t subscribe to this theory can do some quick research and find that the physiology of stretching a warmed muscle versus a cold one clearly indicates that stretching while warm reduces the likelihood of injury.  Think of taffy, when stretched cold, it will snap, but when stretched warm, it is much more pliable.  Muscles act in a similar manner. Since yoga entails so many stretched positions, although much slower and controlled than a dynamic stretch, it appears that the physiological phenomena described above would still be valid.  The muscle being stretched doesn’t know whether you’re doing yoga or stretching for a run. So I’m wondering, is warming up the body before a yoga session typically taught and/or a generally accepted procedure in the world of yoga? Are there any good websites that might discuss this topic?

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I have been doing a yoga class now for almost a year, an hour a week.  I have have heard that you can lose weight does anyone have any real experience with that?

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        Yes, I’ve seen it happen for some of my students. Personally I credit my yoga practice with maintaining my weight over 35 years.         Understand though that yoga isn’t an exercise plan for weight loss. If one is getting more from staying heavy than being thin then we will usually eat to compensate for any activity. I’ve taught a workshop on this subject. My experience is that as we move deeper into yoga practice we begin to change our perspectives. Our view changes and gradually, easily we find ourselves making choices that lead us to greater health and well being.         The March/April ‘97 Yoga Journal had an article by Gretchen Rose Newmark called Low-Fat Yoga. You might be interested in reading it. Contact the magazine for a reprint. peace, sandra

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I have been doing a yoga class now for almost a year, an hour a week.  I have have heard that you can lose weight does anyone have any real experience with that?

Yes. I have practiced very vigorous forms of Yoga and have never lost weight from the practice. You are best off moderating what you eat. Yoga certainly will help keep you balanced as you change diet.

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I have been doing a yoga class now for almost a year, an hour a week.  I have have heard that you can lose weight does anyone have any real experience with that? Hatha Yoga is of course the Hindu spiritual discipline that prepares for meditation or Raja Yoga. Weight loss is of course part of a healthy lifestyle of aerobic exercise and careful diet. Enjoy the Hatha Yoga stretches to help prepare for mediation. Of course, a qualified (Hindu, Buddhist, Jain or Sikh) teacher will give you genuine information. Naturally it would be wise to avoid those not in this category that pretend to be teachers of any aspect of Yoga. Their information is unreliable at best.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – medicina efectiva . trabajamos todos los musculos todos los organos, todo el organismo.nos conservamos frescos mentalmente y agiles. Es salud para toda la vida por lo tanto hay que ser practicante constante y no hacerlo como una obligacion. El verdadero practicante lo hace y lo entrega sin ocultar las verdades que hay detras de cada asana..(postura) Ciencia maravillosa que Dios nos entrego para dedicar cada movimiento a la purificacion maxima que podamos darle a el ;nuestro maravilloso cuerpo creado por Dios. Medicina natural que es entregada atravez de los ejercicios por milenios,  comprobada cientificamente,para entregar paz , armonia todo atravez de el mecanismo de la respiracion, aire prana inexplicable pero a la vez explicable. hatha yoga no tiene religion es solo devocion atravez del los ejercicios, y nuestra respiracion es un interminable trabajo.  Es un trabajo de todos los dias. al amanecer a medio dia al atardecer. Muchos personas se preguntan por que los practicantes de hatha yoga con los a