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Yoga practice means doing what it takes to reach the goal of yoga. That goal is to lovingly serve Krishna. This is repeatedly and authoritively declared in the Vedas. My experience is that when Krishna actually approaches the devotee, he offers all kinds of sensory wonders, which can tempt the devotee. If the devotee has reached the stage of pure love of God, then the beautiful forms that appear are no distraction from Him. Pure bhakti is very rare anywhere, and those in a yoga practice should not invite material temptations. Household life allows physical affection, and there is nothing at all wrong with touching within accepted limits. A relationship between a yoga teacher and student is different than between a person and spouse, children, parents, friends, etc. If I were in a yoga class I would expect that no one would touch me during the practice, though greetings or partings are often with hugs. It’s a sacred space.
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Unless the teacher is a bonafide spiritual master, the teacher should be considered a material object. Physical contact from a teacher is a distraction, and can also discourage the student from tuning in to their own intuition to guide their practice Paul A. Howard
I completely understand your reasoning here, but I must admit, there have been times when my instructor has done nothing more than place a finger gently in one spot of "concentration" on my body, and all tension would completely dissolve, and I was able to do the posture with much more understanding. I never found it distracting, but quite helpful. Her corrections were almost always verbal; this only happened about two or three times out of the 2 years of instruction I received through her. Namaste Michelle
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For all concerned, I sandra, am an American, I was born here, and raised here. My background is not pure, My father was Jewish, my mother adopted Jesus, my grandparents came as refuges from two European countries, and furthermore I was ‘educated’ in our American public school system. Anyone who wants to know more about me can ask for a copy of my yoga intro. So, it follows that I feel deeply that we are each unique spirits. Any questions that I answer are only my view, and I think the more views the better. Concerning the issue of touching students to adjust asana, I admit I’m that sort of person, I find human contact soothing. Naturally I’ve been drawn to study teaching yoga with schools that feel the same. It’s confusing that shaktipat (another form of touch) is considered OK, but simple adjustment isn’t. However the type of yogi who whorships Hinduism, or some strict interpretation from India has very little in common with me. My philosophy is pretty straightforward KISS. Keep it simple sandra. I’ve included the post from Paul A. Howard below. He seems to know doctrine very well, perhaps some of us can send our questions directly to him. He seems to think he knows the answers. I give only my opinions. peace to all, sandra
The easiest way to find out about your yoga class is to ask your teacher where she has studied.
I’m not so sure the easiest way is the best way. I would look in a local university or city library for some good books. The very "American" books are seldom very good. I would definitely find out where your teacher studied, though, and what the program was there. Yoga is a very important process in a person’s development, and much has been changed to make it "easy" for Americans. _Real_ yoga is sanata dharma, acting eternally as the Lord’s servant. It’s best not to learn it wrong, because you eventually have to get it "right". As a 5"2" 107lb, 48 year old woman, I’ve been surprised to find myself reaching way up to adjust students like you. It works just as well though. Yoga knows no boundaries, that’s one of the reasons I love practice. peace, sandra
Why are you touching your students? If a person is doing yoga well, the senses become very sensitive, but for proper yoga practice the senses need to be subdued. The purpose of asana, posture, is to develop pratyahara, withdrawal of the senses from material objects. Unless the teacher is a bonafide spiritual master, the teacher should be considered a material object. Physical contact from a teacher is a distraction, and can also discourage the student from tuning in to their own intuition to guide their practice. One must also beware of sexual encounters between student and teacher, and even if this isn’t a factor for you personally, students eventually become teachers, and will assimilate some of your teaching style.
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The Runner’s Yoga Book can be found at Roots & Wings at http://www.yoga.com/raw/yoga/store/ybasana.html#Couch The Runner’s Yoga Book by Jean Couch : You will find familiar Iyengar poses with precise and practical advice. With a focus on technique and alignment, the asanas are applied to assist the body of a runner. Others will benefit from the yoga instruction presened, and in the back of the book, suggested asanas for other sports are included. Specific parts of the body are stretched by using classic yoga poses taught Iyengar style. Organizing your practice in a serious way is covered. Athletes and yoga practitioners both will learn from and enjoy this comprehensive guide to yoga.(207 pages, paperback) Hope this helps. Shannon B. yoga.com snip There is a book of yoga for runners, I can’t recall it right now, perhaps someone else can supply information.
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The easiest way to find out about your yoga class is to ask your teacher where she has studied. Variations are often used in sun salutations, for begining or more advanced students, and for time of day etc. The books you mention are both good, i particularly like Erick’s. However I think you might take a look at Beryl Bender Birch’s POWER YOGA and videos by Brian Kest for ashtanga, and John Friend for Iyengar. There is a book of yoga for runners, I can’t recall it right now, perhaps someone else can supply information. As a 5"2" 107lb, 48 year old woman, I’ve been surprised to find myself reaching way up to adjust students like you. It works just as well though. Yoga knows no boundaries, that’s one of the reasons I love practice. peace, sandra
I don’t know anything about Brian Kest’s videos, but I think that David Swenson’s videos are very good. You just have to take it slowly and remember that a ot of teachers can’t go from a hand stand to sitting with the legs straight in one fluid motion. So, don’t get discouaged by his ease. I haven’t seen the otehr big one; I believe it’s by Richar Freeman. The same person writes a column for the Yoga Journal, but I’ve heard good things about him. Abby
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Dear Paul, To me there is nothing wrong to correct students sometimes by touching them. If they want it. I ask before I touch them if they want correction this way. And if they are in the Asana – meditating – I don’t bother them, even when the posture is not correct. Some of them are not that able to do a correct posture just by listening to the words – they have to feel the movement (many Asanas in KY are with dynamic movement) and it is possible to give a guidance with your hands. I think it is not bad in general to touch, hm?
Your interpretation that a withdrawal of the senses from material objects includes all human bodys too is to me a "little bit" too radical – and Yoga is to me not a radical / militant thing.
You write that a touching can: "…also discourage the student from tuning in to their own intuition to guide their practice." I didn’t made this experience with my students. No, it is the other way around. Once they really understood the Asana with my help they where able to enjoy it much more and had more confidence in their abilitys to do Yoga etc… I’m the teacher! It’s my duty to correct and help them. If I would leave them alone with their problems – THIS would discourage them! I have to say that I teach "usual" ppl. Grandmas, students, housewifes, scientists, artists, etc… and playing the untouchable teacher to them really would be strange to me and to them too. And as a student (that I’m still are!) I absolutely wouldn’t follow my intuition if I would not sometimes offer physical correction. And you write: "One must also beware of sexual encounters between student and teacher,…" Relax! It’s just about giving corrections – not petting!
) (This never happened to me yet – allthough I’m a beautiful boy!
I wounder what you imagine? A massage class? (and even this we have in Kundalini Yoga – with cloths on.)
Touching a person could be one of the most intuitive things a human beeing can do. It can say that much more than "only" words. "We are not humans born to make a spiritual experience – we are spirits born to make a human experience." – Yogi Bhajan Sat Nam – Hari Har Singh, teacher of Kundalini Yoga [3HO] Visit the 3HO homepage: http://yoga.home.pages.de/ [http://privat.schlund.de/harihar/3ho.htm] 3HO international: http://www.3ho.com/ Yogi Bhajan: http://www.yogibhajan.com/ Sikh Dharma: http://www.sikhnet.com/ IKYTA: http://www.sikhnet.com/IKYTA
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The easiest way to find out about your yoga class is to ask your teacher where she has studied.
I’m not so sure the easiest way is the best way. I would look in a local university or city library for some good books. The very "American" books are seldom very good. I would definitely find out where your teacher studied, though, and what the program was there. Yoga is a very important process in a person’s development, and much has been changed to make it "easy" for Americans. _Real_ yoga is sanata dharma, acting eternally as the Lord’s servant. It’s best not to learn it wrong, because you eventually have to get it "right". As a 5"2" 107lb, 48 year old woman, I’ve been surprised to find myself reaching way up to adjust students like you. It works just as well though. Yoga knows no boundaries, that’s one of the reasons I love practice. peace, sandra
Why are you touching your students? If a person is doing yoga well, the senses become very sensitive, but for proper yoga practice the senses need to be subdued. The purpose of asana, posture, is to develop pratyahara, withdrawal of the senses from material objects. Unless the teacher is a bonafide spiritual master, the teacher should be considered a material object. Physical contact from a teacher is a distraction, and can also discourage the student from tuning in to their own intuition to guide their practice. One must also beware of sexual encounters between student and teacher, and even if this isn’t a factor for you personally, students eventually become teachers, and will assimilate some of your teaching style. Paul A. Howard PLEASE NOTE: Some of the messages from this account are by my wife, Leslie, a.k.a. Guru Chiter Kaur. The others are from me.
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The easiest way to find out about your yoga class is to ask your teacher where she has studied. Variations are often used in sun salutations, for begining or more advanced students, and for time of day etc. The books you mention are both good, i particularly like Erick’s. However I think you might take a look at Beryl Bender Birch’s POWER YOGA and videos by Brian Kest for ashtanga, and John Friend for Iyengar. There is a book of yoga for runners, I can’t recall it right now, perhaps someone else can supply information. As a 5"2" 107lb, 48 year old woman, I’ve been surprised to find myself reaching way up to adjust students like you. It works just as well though. Yoga knows no boundaries, that’s one of the reasons I love practice. peace, sandra
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I just started Yoga recently, at a class at a local gym. There is also a less-physical, more relaxation-oriented class tomorrow which I plan on going to. I am, however, unsure of the teacher’s methods . (this is in knoxville, TN at fort sanders health club)…She did Sun Salutations slightly differently than how I’ve seen in a magazine. There were no Standing Back Bends and the Plank to Cobra transition seems different. Could this just be a difference in the style being taught or merely the alterings of the teacher? I am also going to start running cross-country for school and was wondering which Yoga styles/asanas/methods would the the best for this. After reading an article in a magazine, I seem to want to try either Ashtanga or Iyengar Yoga… Also, I was wondering which modern books are best. Any recommendations would be helpful. But I am currently debating between Schiffman’s "Yoga: The Spirit and Practice of Moving into Stillness" or Budilovsky/Adamson’s "Complete Idiot’s Guide to Yoga." Just to help, I have a very difficult build for Yoga. I am a 6′2", 165 or so pounds, 17-year old male. All of these factors could present interference… Thanks…
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De Armac schrieb in Nachricht I just started Yoga recently, at a class at a local gym. There is also a less-physical, more relaxation-oriented class tomorrow which I plan on going to. I am, however, unsure of the teacher’s methods . (this is in knoxville, TN at fort sanders health club)…She did Sun Salutations slightly differently than how I’ve seen in a magazine. There were no Standing Back Bends and the Plank to Cobra transition seems different. Could this just be a difference in the style being taught or merely the alterings of the
teacher? It could be a difference / adjustment the teacher made. Some ppl can not do that backbend motion. Maybe she just adjust the exercise. But, why don’t you ask her yourself? (I bet she’s not biting you….
I am also going to start running cross-country for school and was wondering which Yoga styles/asanas/methods would the the best for this. After reading an article in a magazine, I seem to want to try either Ashtanga or Iyengar Yoga…
These are great and good working Yogastyles / schools. Good choice. Also, I was wondering which modern books are best. Any recommendations would be helpful. But I am currently debating between Schiffman’s "Yoga: The Spirit and Practice of Moving into Stillness" or Budilovsky/Adamson’s "Complete Idiot’s Guide to Yoga." Just to help, I have a very difficult build for Yoga. I am a 6′2", 165 or so pounds, 17-year old male. All of these factors could present interference… Thanks…
I don’t think that you are "difficult build for Yoga". Believe it or not: you could sit in a weelchair and just be able to move your head – you still would be able to do Yoga.
No Problem. Sat Nam – Hari Har Singh, Teacher of Kundalini Yoga [3HO] Visit the 3HO homepage: http://yoga.home.pages.de/
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I just started Yoga recently, at a class at a local gym. There is also a less-physical, more relaxation-oriented class tomorrow which I plan on going to. I am, however, unsure of the teacher’s methods . (this is in knoxville, TN at fort sanders health club)…She did Sun Salutations slightly differently than how I’ve seen in a magazine. There were no Standing Back Bends and the Plank to Cobra transition seems different. Could this just be a difference in the style being taught or merely the alterings of the teacher?
Namaste…. Yoga is a 5,000 year old practice (speaking only of its "recorded" history!) so, yes… there are MANY variations of the techniques. I am also going to start running cross-country for school and was wondering which Yoga styles/asanas/methods would the the best for this.
Be sure to incorporate those techniques which allow *relaxed* stretching of the primary muscles you use in CC running: arches, ankles, calves, hams, quads, hip flexors, and don’t forget the low back and the lats. After reading an article in a magazine, I seem to want to try either Ashtanga or Iyengar Yoga…
Ashtanga is almost an aerobic workout; most Iyengar instructors I have met focus on building strength and balance. Both of these would probably suit your personal style and would enhance your CC, but also be sure to include *relaxing* stretches as mentioned above. Relaxed stretchingf and deep breathing will "complement" your running by keeping your muscles supple and non-bulky, while helping to remove toxic chemical build-up (such as lactic acids) that are produced during exertion exercises and are the primary cause of much muscle soreness after running or other workouts. Many instructors (aerobic and yoga) do "stretching" techniques that do not allow the muscles to relax during the stretch. Remember: Muscles can do only two things: they can contract (get shorter) and they can relax. No muscle can extend itself. Therefore, to whatever degree a muscle is NOT relaxed, it is contracting. This means that any so-called stretch that does not relax the extending muscles, puts them in the unhealthy position of trying to get longer AND shorter at the same time. Many injuries occur this way. Also, I was wondering which modern books are best. Any recommendations would be helpful. But I am currently debating between Schiffman’s "Yoga: The Spirit and Practice of Moving into Stillness" or Budilovsky/Adamson’s "Complete Idiot’s Guide to Yoga."
Let your own wisdom guide you. If you stay with the practice long enough you will end up with an entire yoga library and you will learn something important from each and every book (although from some books you will learn more about what NOT to do, than what TO do.) Just to help, I have a very difficult build for Yoga. I am a 6′2", 165 or so pounds, 17-year old male. All of these factors could present interference…
Actually, this is an excellent build for yoga! Taller than average, to be sure; but the most "difficult" body type for (physical) yoga is short and squat, which makes many of the complex arm and leg positions (like the lotus or the eagle) difficult-to-impossible to accomplish. You’ll be able to do fine. Thanks…
Hope this helps. Om shanti, — Robert http://www.ptw.com/~wisehart/yoga/
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says… I am also going to start running cross-country for school and was wondering which Yoga styles/asanas/methods would the the best for this. After reading an article in a magazine, I seem to want to try either Ashtanga or Iyengar Yoga…
I’d suggest trying both if that’s possible for you. Each has a different perspective on yoga practice, but both are good systems. Madona and Sting both do Astanga practice, so imho it’s the better system for me! (just kidding!) <g Also, I was wondering which modern books are best. Any recommendations would be helpful. But I am currently debating between Schiffman’s "Yoga: The Spirit and Practice of Moving into Stillness" or Budilovsky/Adamson’s "Complete Idiot’s Guide to Yoga."
Schiffman’s book is pretty good. But it’s awfully hard to learn yoga from a book! A good teacher is really important. Just to help, I have a very difficult build for Yoga. I am a 6′2", 165 or so pounds, 17-year old male. All of these factors could present interference…
??? I"m not sure what you mean here about your build. I’ve seen many men your dimensions that could do it all, yoga asana wise. If you practice daily you’ll get results, and yoga is the best thing you can do to complement your running.
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The teachers changes sound like a simplification for those who are not considered ready for the full salutation. I Personally am not into watered down yoga. I would lean toward teaching more basic exercises or teaching the standard and offering alternatives for those not yet capable. I do not mean to criticize your teacher, but it seems you are requesting frank honest information. It seems that you are learning quickly and are hungary for more. My own development, and that of my partner as well, has been similiar. I began practising at 18 (I’m now 21) and this has been a great advantage, and I’m sure it is so with you as well. Your build should not be a problem either, it’s just a matter of becoming grounded in your body and feeling it. Yoga practice will bring strength and grace. I suggest against the "yoga for idiots book" – just think about it! There is a great book put out by the editors of yoga international or yoga jounal- shoot I can’t remember the name of it. It goes through several branches of yoga and explains them. If you are interested, email me, and I’ll find out. I started with kundalini yoga and am now a teacher of it. Many beginners consider it too intense, but it was just what I was looking for. It is not dangerous if practised as prescribed. It was designed for those of us who must live in the world and was practised by sikhs, who have had to be warriors. It will definately get you into shape and blow your mind away too. Guru Chiter
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just started Yoga recently, at a class at a local gym. There is also a less-physical, more relaxation-oriented class tomorrow which I plan on going to. I am, however, unsure of the teacher’s methods . (this is in knoxville, TN at fort sanders health club)…She did Sun Salutations slightly differently than how I’ve seen in a magazine. There were no Standing Back Bends and the Plank to Cobra transition seems different. Could this just be a difference in the style being taught or merely the alterings of the teacher? I am also going to start running cross-country for school and was wondering which Yoga styles/asanas/methods would the the best for this. After reading an article in a magazine, I seem to want to try either Ashtanga or Iyengar Yoga… Also, I was wondering which modern books are best. Any recommendations would be helpful. But I am currently debating between Schiffman’s "Yoga: The Spirit and Practice of Moving into Stillness" or Budilovsky/Adamson’s "Complete Idiot’s Guide to Yoga." Just to help, I have a very difficult build for Yoga. I am a 6′2", 165 or so pounds, 17-year old male. All of these factors could present interference… Thanks…
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