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Remember that time, on Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:29:50 -0500, damod…@webtv.net had prophecied: <snip a biddy.

You understand I hope that AB+ is suggesting that God….yup, God his very self, placed clues in the different languages of men. In that which we claim to be central to our humanity, our abstract reasoning and poetry(art) there may be signs established by God, to help us. It seems to me to be quite a reasonable supposition. Language is really a mystical thing…right? Human language….. Dambo http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MystoryasIseeit

about three years ago a vision of great clarity came about me. among other things, i recieved insight [only worthwhile to myself, alas, to influence me] of the nature of curses and its opposite, though same in its medium, for blessings. this had a lot to do with my useage of language ever since i can recall.  i was able to be honest and deceitful, and know that i was being so, because of the incessant internal monologue that has been with me since those times. A-Pure-Third-Person [which is also a name of a song of mine] damo, two years ago i had made a slew of music pieces.  and they unknowingly centered on a particular piece.  ive been obsessed with drawing a particular bird, a bird that only exists in my head. but drawing it for so many years, i realised it had a voice.   the particular music piece the rest of the recordings were based on the voice of this bird. it also made eggs.  i drew them a lot, too. "Alone With The Voice." [Folk-Telemetry]

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Yes, I realised AB+ ambitions, but-Importantly, his thinking lacks rigor! We are constrained by language, there exists little or no relations of identity between signifiers and the signified, or for that matter relations of identity between concepts and reality, meaning is never fixed, it is multi-vocal and fluid. Discourse scientific, religious or lay, like all forms of human knowledge, is a collection of metaphors; the scientist’s, priests or lay persons knowledge of reality is conveyed through narratives, which rely on the various conventions of language or thought styles. The narrative represents a collection of events within a language and language exists extensively disconnected from any underlying reality, it is consequently a self-referential system. The world is merely the product of our chosen conventions, with a heterogenous array of societies, existing over various historical epochs, and juxtaposing with the utilisation of different conventions over time, the combined endeavours of humanity have produced many different realities. This social constructionism possesses radical implications for religion, medicine etc, for example- that disease is not a natural phenomenon existing outside of language. Disease as an entity stems from the social conflicts and power struggles, where the dominant discourses belonging to a school of thought, such as medicine or the church come to define reality. Thus in other words God is as socially constructed as anything else in the human universe, God is social through and through. May I suggest that culture is the mystical thing, rather than language. nexus

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Okay Nexus,, I suspect that even culture is not based on any influence, not necessarily, that is divine in nature. However, as far as language goes, it seems to me that in the structures of language, not the specific words there may be "divine" clues. If  "god" were to want to leave a message for us, that it would be underneath the language itself. I mean thats a good place to write something that would withstand time. Yes of course the mind deals oin concepts. And the concepts are not the reality. And the words change. Fragile and missle have three sylabils went they are said on the English TV programs for example. So…..the sounds them selves are transient. But not language itself. I can’t argfue with what you said. I agree. Most yoga schools and eastern searches for truth accept what you said. In Sanskrit, 9nterestingly enough the word for "Truth" is translated into two words. It can be translated as "reality" or "truth". And the reality or truth has to be understood experientially, not intellectually. I agree with you. http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MystoryasIseeit

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Remember that time, on Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:47:12 +1000, "nexus" <nexusexti…@hotmail.com

had prophecied:

more peas and carrots in the pot…

there exists little or no relations of identity between signifiers and the signified, or for that matter relations of identity between concepts and reality, meaning is never fixed, it is multi-vocal and fluid.

true.  i dont think though that this takes away from the fact that cultures have ALWAYS been guided by symbols.  regardless of the cultures tongue, it still compels itself to regards a nameless fundamental truth that the body and mind "knows" beyond the constrains of culture, tongue, era.  i say "knows" because i believe this is something that needn’t necessarily be known "rationally", which is a term that had its day in the sun previously.  the life cycles of the cultures show that it simply must be felt, regardless of whether it is agreed by another current culture, or even a later stage of that same culture.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

Discourse scientific, religious or lay, like all forms of human knowledge, is a collection of metaphors; the scientist’s, priests or lay persons knowledge of reality is conveyed through narratives, which rely on the various conventions of language or thought styles. The narrative represents a collection of events within a language and language exists extensively disconnected from any underlying reality, it is consequently a self-referential system. The world is merely the product of our chosen conventions, with a heterogenous array of societies, existing over various historical epochs, and juxtaposing with the utilisation of different conventions over time, the combined endeavours of humanity have produced many different realities. This social constructionism possesses radical implications for religion, medicine etc, for example- that disease is not a natural phenomenon existing outside of language. Disease as an entity stems from the social conflicts and power struggles, where the dominant discourses belonging to a school of thought, such as medicine or the church come to define reality.

   what you describe is true.  however, that fundamental truth that each culture envisions still exists, regardless of the fact that we can "see through it" in hindsight [by being able to dissect the bones of culture and "see it for what it is"], so to speak. the option at that point really is to acknowledge this truth, or discard it. once one acknowledges it, the truth is self evident to that one, because he realises God exists quite close to him, in fact inside, perhaps.  he would already know that language isnt sufficient. and that nothing else would be sufficient, because that truth exists outside of the very boundaries we write about now.    and say one discards this.  that very action is always evident at the peak of a culture.  its end times.  a new culture is born, it creates its own voice, and manipulates old thoughts to its liking, discarding what it does not want, taking what it does, to come into accord with its new voice, its spirit.  the Zeitgeist, an entity that i worry had already left culture once it was realised…    talking about God nowadays is an interesting thing.   i hear and see and am surrounded by people who have "discarded it".  this is not the fault of the fundamental truth itself, but really of the culture that tries to realise this truth [during the first half of its lifespan] or, of the culture realising "it already knows the real truth" [which takes place in the last half of its lifespan].      we fail in both aspects.  we try to realise this truth. so, it is put into words, mistakenly thinking that this is sufficient to realise the truth.  and by simply knowing these words, we "have" faith; we "have" the truth.  and thus faith becomes superficial, when the faithful have no knowledge.  and cannot see the truth that the words are only trying to describe.    then the latter half of culture, when people gain enough insight to see this around them.  we speak out against the hypocrisy.  and create new standards, because the ones created previously are hypocritical, lack substance, "the truth".  for example, the Catholic church has been done it by its own.  but, its the Catholic church only, its presence itself, its dogma and ritual.  what is being described as God exists beyond such a phenomenon, the phenom of the churches itself, and its undoing.      i used to work at a hospital, and i worked along side a girl that didnt "believe in God".  at the same time it was quite evident what God meant to her.  there wasnt a genuine idea at the heart of her words, only a reaction and observation to other peoples faith in God. how their faith made them hypocritical [think pedophilia in the church, or something].  in this way she "knew" the truth, so to speak. in her heart, no mystery exists. she "knows" the truth.      i do believe a mystery exists. and i do not claim to know anything.   we try, we fail; we try again, and we fail once more.  the Mayan culture came and went.  the Chinese High Culture came and went.  The Age of Reason came and went.  The Age of Information came and went.   God comes, and God goes.  well, the word God comes and goes.  i believe that MYSTERY exists, and our passage through ‘time’ is in seeking this for what it is. or, not.    its 2004.  its quite ironic that we are in the midst of tremendous activity in creating GOD in our likeness, isnt it?

Thus in other words God is as socially constructed as anything else in the human universe, God is social through and through.

im thinking perhaps the word "God" is the social construct of that dark fundamental truth i mentioned above.  do not forget Ma’at.

May I suggest that culture is the mystical thing, rather than language.

its all pretty magical, yes?  im trying ot make the best of it.  :)

nexus

Yasunari "Alone With The Voice." [Folk-Telemetry]

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Since when are relationships an option for scheezers? "Trooper" <Troo…@gbronline.com

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No, not at all. Call girls make porn obsolete. "AB+" <a…@mail.server

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the biggest support for schizophrenics comes from "american porn industry"! do you agree?

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A relationship makes call girls obsolete…  and porn, an inevitable requirement. Troop

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AB+ once said the best medicine is alcohol as well. He has a brash wisdom, doesn’t he? However…..porn has its assets but its not the prime support. Commitment might be. I don’t mean commitment to a hospital…gggeeessshhh… I mean acceptance and resistance. And always….few will go along with this…. we szes must be MORE moral. We are especially prone to the ravishes of sin. I ain’t joking. Non injury, non possessiveness, etc…all the admonishions of standard accepted religions. Maybe……alcohol and Religion were both aspects of "healing" for the primal sz folk. You understand I hope that AB+ is suggesting that God….yup, God his very self, placed clues in the different languages of men. In that which we claim to be central to our humanity, our abstract reasoning and poetry(art) there may be signs established by God, to help us. It seems to me to be quite a reasonable supposition. Language is really a mystical thing…right? Human language….. Dambo http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MystoryasIseeit

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the biggest support for schizophrenics comes from "american porn industry"! do you agree?

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yes It would be hard to continue without their continuing contributions to our cause. Thank god for pink bits! "AB+" <a…@mail.server

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