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that’s a good idea – the washcloth under the wrist. Might help with the pain I get in the wrist with handstand. Cheers, Richard

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am currently doing the 40 days book and the daily yoga routines are starting to hurt my wrists.  I’m halfway through week 2.  Any suggestions?’m already folding up my mat.  Also if you are familiar with his style for the boat posture he comes forward afterward and hold his weight on his hands with his legs tucked up into his chest. I can’t do this.  I don’t know why but I just can’t.  Should I just leave this part of the boat pose out or should I try to replace it with something else.  And if something else, any suggestions? Thanks so much!  I love this program and want to keep going! Yoga is not a one size fits all proposition.  A good teacher should be giving you the tools to modify the asanas you practice for your body . I would be weary of practicing set routines without a couple years of practice with a teacher that can help you fine tune the inner intelligence of the body. That said, you need to take a few moments to analyze the pain you are feeling.  Is it a sharp pain of an injured ligament?  Is it chronic? Getting worse?  Or the pain of a muscle as it gets stronger? I would lay off the boat pose for a bit.  Address the position of the hands and wrists on the floor. Notice if the palms and fingers rest evenly on the floor.  Try handstand and see if the same pain occurs. How  about down dog?  Does it help to roll a wash cloth under the palm pad near the wrist to make the angle less extreme? The trick here is to experiment and see what adjustments to make to make this your yoga practice and not Mr. Baptistes.  At the same time be very aware of your limitations and don’t go beyond them to the point of permanent injury.  I must say I admire your self discipline and motivation to take on a challenging home practice. Let yoga be a gift to yourself. — ~Stu

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I am currently doing the 40 days book and the daily yoga routines are starting to hurt my wrists.  I’m halfway through week 2.  Any suggestions?  I’m already folding up my mat.  Also if you are familiar with his style for the boat posture he comes forward afterward and hold his weight on his hands with his legs tucked up into his chest. I can’t do this.  I don’t know why but I just can’t.  Should I just leave this part of the boat pose out or should I try to replace it with something else.  And if something else, any suggestions? Thanks so much!  I love this program and want to keep going!

Yoga is not a one size fits all proposition.  A good teacher should be giving you the tools to modify the asanas you practice for your body . I would be weary of practicing set routines without a couple years of practice with a teacher that can help you fine tune the inner intelligence of the body. That said, you need to take a few moments to analyze the pain you are feeling.  Is it a sharp pain of an injured ligament?  Is it chronic?   Getting worse?  Or the pain of a muscle as it gets stronger? I would lay off the boat pose for a bit.  Address the position of the hands and wrists on the floor. Notice if the palms and fingers rest evenly on the floor.  Try handstand and see if the same pain occurs.   How  about down dog?  Does it help to roll a wash cloth under the palm pad near the wrist to make the angle less extreme? The trick here is to experiment and see what adjustments to make to make this your yoga practice and not Mr. Baptistes.  At the same time be very aware of your limitations and don’t go beyond them to the point of permanent injury.  I must say I admire your self discipline and motivation to take on a challenging home practice. Let yoga be a gift to yourself. — ~Stu

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I am currently doing the 40 days book and the daily yoga routines are starting to hurt my wrists.  I’m halfway through week 2.  Any suggestions?  I’m already folding up my mat.  Also if you are familiar with his style for the boat posture he comes forward afterward and hold his weight on his hands with his legs tucked up into his chest. I can’t do this.  I don’t know why but I just can’t.  Should I just leave this part of the boat pose out or should I try to replace it with something else.  And if something else, any suggestions? Thanks so much!  I love this program and want to keep going!

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writes Best wishes to all my readers and fans in London! Just do your practise and all is coming… I can’t believe that people tie themselves in knots for years to reach enlightenment and end up as thick as this. Enlightment’s a bit like bliss according to some people. There’s a popular saying that tells you what is bliss…

Bliss is finding 85% cocoa solids chocolate and then discovering you can’t eat as much of it as the normal sort…… —  Kat<

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Best wishes to all my readers and fans in London! Just do your practise and all is coming… I can’t believe that people tie themselves in knots for years to reach enlightenment and end up as thick as this. What do you think would happen if everyone on Usenet would post a whining reply to every message that was crossposted to a wrong newsgroup? Are you new here? Hint: Imminent destruction of Usenet predicted, see news at eleven!

No squire I’m not new here, neither in the group nor in the world. I’ve seen lots of ‘mystic’ groups of all sorts in my lifetime and I know that when a member of any of them writes a phrase like yours quoted above they are about a million miles from any enlightenment at all.

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No squire I’m not new here, neither in the group nor in the world. I’ve seen lots of ‘mystic’ groups of all sorts in my lifetime and I know that when a member of any of them writes a phrase like yours quoted above they are about a million miles from any enlightenment at all. Are you really the same guy who in this very thread was looking for Yoga that will improve one’s sense of humour and irony? Still seeking?

No I wasn’t seeking I was asking, in a rhetorical way, if yoga could improve these traits in a person, which I knew it couldn’t, making thereby a reference to the poster’s broomstick in bum syndrome. All these yogic chapels, all this making reef knots with your legs behind your back, all this discipline and suffering to reach some sort of higher consciousness… and what do you end up with? Poor sods trying to lose touch with the world they live in, escapism in short. Give me one Shakyamuni who chose not to attain Nirvana because he knew that there is no true peace unless everyone has true peace, to a hundred Gautama Siddhartas who sit self satisfied under their boddhisatva trees and, in essence, don’t give a toss for the rest of the world. We live in the western world, its problems are not those of the east nor are its solutions, so that while yoga in its many forms can be an excellent form of physical exercise it is no more valid as a solution to the difficulties of life than a Jane Fonda Workout.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are you really the same guy who in this very thread was looking for Yoga that will improve one’s sense of humour and irony? Still seeking? All these yogic chapels, all this making reef knots with your legs behind your back, all this discipline and suffering to reach some sort of higher consciousness… and what do you end up with? Poor sods trying to lose touch with the world they live in, escapism in short. Well, I personally don’t give a crap about ‘mystic’ groups and would not even dream of joining or believing in any religion. Are you drawn towards that stuff since you said that you’ve seen many ‘mystic’ groups?

Let us say I’ve had a good look at most of them, partly because you couldn’t go shopping a few years ago without bumping into the Krishnas or to a party without having your pants bored off you by the Nochoren Shinshu (sp?) lot, and partly because it is not wise to criticize without knowing what you are criticizing. While I accept that some form of spirituality is good for many people, even if only as a touchstone to guide their life, I have come to the opinion that any organisation that proposes a ‘way’ is talking through its hat/is dangerous. To paraphrase the fat German art collector, when I hear the words God says/God wants I get out my revolver.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can you now explain what Hatha yoga is please? Hi Sarah,         Well, as far as i know Hatha yoga is the discipline of asanas, pranayama that are practiced regularly along with internal and external principles and guidlines from a branch of Indian philosophy toward knowledge of the self ,contentment and living. Harmonising the sun and moon, regulating, strenghtining the body, nerves and mind Cool. Can it cure a tendency to pretend that you are two different people, and then have conversations with yourself in which both personalities deny owning a yoga place in Fulham? — John Rowland – Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 28th Nov. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/7069/tpftla.html A man’s vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That’s why my vehicle’s the Piccadilly Line – It’s the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

Probably.

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Can any one explain the difference between these three types of yoga? And/or recommend any classes in SW London where I can practice them? Thanks Sr

hi sr not sure if anyone has responded. here’s the breakdown, based on my limited knowledge: ashtanga — a system taught by sri k. pattabhi jois in mysore, india. all the poses are connected. you also hold bandhas or locks the entire time and breathe with your through constricted – ujjayi breath — a very physical type of yoga. pattabhi jois studied under krishnamacharya iyengar — a system taught by bks iyengar. he also studied under krishnamacharya, who was in fact his elder sister’s husband. focus is on concentration and precision in the postures. his main centre is in pune, just outside bombay. sivananda — swami sivananada taught a system of hatha yoga poses. his book, the sivananda companion to yoga, is regarded as one of the basic texts for any newcomer to yoga. it teaches postures, breathing, diet, and how yoga interacts with the cycle of life. there are sivananda centres all over the world. personally, i started out with a general hatha yoga class and the sivananda book. now i am a steady practitioner of ashtanga, which i do in the morning before work. i am also interested in starting to take an iyengar class once a week. hope this helps! peace, carma

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Best wishes to all my readers and fans in London! Just do your practise and all is coming… I can’t believe that people tie themselves in knots for years to reach enlightenment and end up as thick as this.

Enlightment’s a bit like bliss according to some people. There’s a popular saying that tells you what is bliss…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – arrived on my computer: Mr. Iyengar lived with Krishnamacharya for his pre-teen and teen years. Krishnamacharya took him in when he was young. He was admitted into his ashram as a student for only a few years.  During this time he traveled with his master and gave yoga demonstrations.  Although he left the ashram to become self sufficient yoga teacher he kept in constant contact with his master up to the time of his death.  This makes for an apprenticeship of some 65 years. At some point we will reach the stage where he abandons his ashram and moves from Manchester to London, thereby coming within the ambit of the charter for ULL.

Ken could encourage this sort of thing by planting more bodhi trees around town.

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My understading is that Iyengar studied under Krishnamacharya only for a very short period, like 1-2 years. Shocking. I’m glad you posted this to uk.local.london most of us weren’t aware of this vitally important fact. Best wishes to all my readers and fans in London! Just do your practise and all is coming…

I can’t believe that people tie themselves in knots for years to reach enlightenment and end up as thick as this.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – iyengar — a system taught by bks iyengar. he also studied under krishnamacharya, who was in fact his elder sister’s husband. focus is on concentration and precision in the postures. his main centre is in pune, just outside bombay. My understading is that Iyengar studied under Krishnamacharya only for a very short period, like 1-2 years. Shocking. I’m glad you posted this to uk.local.london most of us weren’t aware of this vitally important fact. You can’t take everything you read on the internet as a fact.  I suggest you read "Iyengar, His Life and Work." by Manos and "Health Healing and Beyond" by Krishnamacharya’s son Desikachar. Can you tell me if there is any form of Yoga that improves one’s sense of humour and irony?

<http://beyondananda.com/ — ~Stu

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Can you tell me if there is any form of Yoga that improves one’s sense of humour and irony?

Yes, the real one . Wade

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – iyengar — a system taught by bks iyengar. he also studied under krishnamacharya, who was in fact his elder sister’s husband. focus is on concentration and precision in the postures. his main centre is in pune, just outside bombay. My understading is that Iyengar studied under Krishnamacharya only for a very short period, like 1-2 years. Shocking. I’m glad you posted this to uk.local.london most of us weren’t aware of this vitally important fact. You can’t take everything you read on the internet as a fact.  I suggest you read "Iyengar, His Life and Work." by Manos and "Health Healing and Beyond" by Krishnamacharya’s son Desikachar.

Can you tell me if there is any form of Yoga that improves one’s sense of humour and irony?

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iyengar — a system taught by bks iyengar. he also studied under krishnamacharya, who was in fact his elder sister’s husband. focus is on concentration and precision in the postures. his main centre is in pune, just outside bombay. My understading is that Iyengar studied under Krishnamacharya only for a very short period, like 1-2 years. Shocking. I’m glad you posted this to uk.local.london most of us weren’t aware of this vitally important fact.

You can’t take everything you read on the internet as a fact.  I suggest you read "Iyengar, His Life and Work." by Manos and "Health Healing and Beyond" by Krishnamacharya’s son Desikachar. Mr. Iyengar lived with Krishnamacharya for his pre-teen and teen years. Krishnamacharya took him in when he was young. He was admitted into his ashram as a student for only a few years.  During this time he traveled with his master and gave yoga demonstrations.  Although he left the ashram to become self sufficient yoga teacher he kept in constant contact with his master up to the time of his death.  This makes for an apprenticeship of some 65 years. — ~Stu

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iyengar — a system taught by bks iyengar. he also studied under krishnamacharya, who was in fact his elder sister’s husband. focus is on concentration and precision in the postures. his main centre is in pune, just outside bombay. My understading is that Iyengar studied under Krishnamacharya only for a very short period, like 1-2 years.

Shocking. I’m glad you posted this to uk.local.london most of us weren’t aware of this vitally important fact.

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Can you now explain what Hatha yoga is please? Hi Sarah,         Well, as far as i know Hatha yoga is the discipline of asanas, pranayama that are practiced regularly along with internal and external principles and guidlines from a branch of Indian philosophy toward knowledge of the self ,contentment and living. Harmonising the sun and moon, regulating, strenghtining the body, nerves and mind

Cool. Can it cure a tendency to pretend that you are two different people, and then have conversations with yourself in which both personalities deny owning a yoga place in Fulham? — John Rowland – Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 28th Nov. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/7069/tpftla.html A man’s vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That’s why my vehicle’s the Piccadilly Line – It’s the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes

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Sivananda is really cool hatha yoga i think . Sat Nam- Justin

Can you now explain what Hatha yoga is please? Thanks Sarah

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Sivananda is really cool hatha yoga i think . Sat Nam- Justin Can you now explain what Hatha yoga is please? Thanks Sarah

Hi Sarah,         Well, as far as i know Hatha yoga is the discipline of asanas, pranayama that are practiced regularly along with internal and external principles and guidlines from a branch of Indian philosophy toward knowledge of the self ,contentment and living. Harmonising the sun and moon, regulating, strenghtining the body, nerves and mind and nuturing a more sensitive experience of  THIS. And helping bring about Samadhi, a state of conciousness away from description of waking,dreaming, awareness.     In this context though i basically mean  a sequence of asanas. For what it’s worth i don’t really claim to know much about Yoga, i just practice most days to relieve stress and don’t really study much about the yamas, meditation and so on. Namaste!!

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Can any one explain the difference between these three types of yoga? And/or recommend any classes in SW London where I can practice them? Thanks Sr

My Dear Friend, Get into www.altavista.com/hatha yoga html and then fing the one you need at london… With compasion, bothi

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My fave Yoga is strawberry

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Can any one explain the difference between these three types of yoga? And/or recommend any classes in SW London where I can practice them? Thanks Sr

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Can any one explain the difference between these three types of yoga? And/or recommend any classes in SW London where I can practice them? Thanks Sr

Hi there, Sivananda have classes at Felsham road near Putney Bridge. Website- www.sivananda.org Ashtanga probably means fast yoga routines with jumps and connecting postures. As well as the Eight limbed path of Patanjali’s yoga sutras. Iyengar was a student of Krishnamacharya who became well known here  with his Hatha book Light on yoga. The style is gentler than Ashtanga sometimes staying in asanas longer and using props. But they both mix well whatever. Sivananda is really cool hatha yoga i think . Sat Nam- Justin

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Can any one explain the difference between these three types of yoga? And/or recommend any classes in SW London where I can practice them? Thanks Sr

You may want to take a look at: <http://mitglied.lycos.de/altyoga/ There are descriptions of the different methods. — ~Stu

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MS sufferers walk to find elusive cure Effort to raise money for research kicks off at five metro area sites Mary Lou Pickel – Staff Sunday, May 14, 2000 Cherry Zimmer knew the signs of multiple sclerosis. Her husband came down with the debilitating neuromuscular disease when he was 33. So when Zimmer tried to brush her hair one morning and lost control of her arm, she got a dreadful feeling. "Oh my God," she said. "I’m just like him." The chances of both a husband and wife contracting multiple sclerosis, a noncontagious disease, are exceedingly slim. The Zimmers of Duluth, who are math and engineering whizzes, put the odds at 1 in 640,000. The chances of finding a cure for the disease that afflicts 200 people every week are also slim. That’s why the Zimmers and about 150 others showed up Saturday for the Multiple Sclerosis Walk in Lawrenceville. It was one of five walks throughout the metro area Saturday — others were in Atlanta, Jonesboro, Marietta and Stone Mountain — organized by the National Multiple Sclerosis Society’s Georgia Chapter. The goal was to raise money for research and spread awareness of the illness. About 700 cities nationwide have organized walks. "Somewhere there’s going to be a dollar, and that’s the dollar that’s going to make a difference," Zimmer said. The Lawrenceville crowd raised $22,205 Saturday, organizers said, and they expect more donations to trickle in. For Cherry Zimmer, 45, walking the 3-mile course was a triumph. For several years she needed a wheelchair. Then she graduated to a cane, and now she walks on her own, thanks to regular workouts and a drug called Avonex that she started taking almost immediately after diagnosis. The drug minimizes damage to the nerves, she said. Multiple sclerosis scars the brain and spine, causing numbness and blurred vision and interfering in patients’ control of their muscular responses. "It’s like running a wire with no insulation among other wires," Craig Zimmer, 47, said. "You get cross-talk." Cherry Zimmer still can’t walk toe to toe because her balance is off. Her husband has lost feeling in his limbs, and although he can walk a little and drive a car, he relies on a wheelchair to get around because he becomes exhausted quickly. They’ve installed elevators and wider doors in their home and each drives a large van. Stress can trigger episodes in which the symptoms worsen, they said. But the couple said support groups have helped, as well as their two cats. "I’ve gotten past the ‘MS is the controlling factor in my life’ stage," Cherry Zimmer said.

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. For Cherry Zimmer, 45, walking the 3-mile course was a triumph. For several years she needed a wheelchair. Then she graduated to a cane, and now she walks on her own, thanks to regular workouts and a drug called Avonex that she started taking almost immediately after diagnosis. The drug minimizes damage to the nerves, she said.

This makes it sound like you the regular workouts and Avonex got her out of the chair, when most likely it was an exaccerbation that has remitted. Kathi

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Or she had no business being in the chair in the first place. One of my aunts told me a story about meeting a person who claimed that Tai Chi got her out of a w/c.  My aunt wanted my opinion of the miracles of Tai Chi, but all I told *her was that the MS person had taken to the w/c unnecessarily and had to strengthen her unused muscles, etc. This sounds like a similar situation. Gaylan "Kathi Matthews" <kamatth…@aol.com

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years she needed a wheelchair. Then she graduated to a cane, and now she walks on her own, thanks to regular workouts and a drug called Avonex This makes it sound like  the regular workouts and Avonex got her out of

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chair, when most likely it was an exaccerbation that has remitted. Kathi

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wrote: Or she had no business being in the chair in the first place. One of my aunts told me a story about meeting a person who claimed that Tai Chi got her out of a w/c.  My aunt wanted my opinion of the miracles of Tai Chi, but all I told *her was that the MS person had taken to the w/c unnecessarily and had to strengthen her unused muscles, etc. This sounds like a similar situation. Gaylan

In some parts of the country, w/c mean water closet, as in toilet facility. I attend a class in yoga, tailored for folks with ms. It does strengthen muscle groups. Each in the class must find just what exercises can be done without causing undue pain. But on top of that, each must be willing to challenge the threshold of pain, slowly and with baby steps. And of course, each must then apply the various yoga exercises during the week. While there is no cure at this time for ms, management of the symptoms is made a tad easier. Donn  

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And of course, each must then apply the various yoga exercises during the week. While there is no cure at this time for ms, management of the symptoms is made a tad easier.

Are you still walking unaided  Donn?   Kathi

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On 16 May 2000 21:38:29 GMT, kamatth…@aol.com (Kathi Matthews) wrote:

In article <diu2is0ptj34avqkhshc2konk4mf44n…@4ax.com, dciREM…@cheetah.net writes: And of course, each must then apply the various yoga exercises during the week. While there is no cure at this time for ms, management of the symptoms is made a tad easier. Are you still walking unaided  Donn?   Kathi

Kathi, Walking, if you call it that, is difficult after 50 yards on a good day. I use a cane for these moments; otherwise, I use my "sporty wheelchair." As I’ve gotten into the regimen of doing exercises, I have noticed a bit more strength in my upper body and a bit more control of my legs. As time has gone on, the control and strength diminish but I theorize that I’m not losing all as fast if I were to do nothing. One of the spin-offs, I have had less periods of "down time," and when "down," less severe problems. But this is what I do. Several of my former classmates have transferred to water exercise programs as their physical abilities to do the yoga routines diminished. As I "progress," I’ll probably follow suit. Donn

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I go to MS adapted yoga classes. They’re great! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -dciREM…@cheetah.net wrote:

On 16 May 2000 21:38:29 GMT, kamatth…@aol.com (Kathi Matthews) wrote: In article <diu2is0ptj34avqkhshc2konk4mf44n…@4ax.com, dciREM…@cheetah.net writes: And of course, each must then apply the various yoga exercises during the week. While there is no cure at this time for ms, management of the symptoms is made a tad easier. Are you still walking unaided  Donn? Kathi Kathi, Walking, if you call it that, is difficult after 50 yards on a good day. I use a cane for these moments; otherwise, I use my "sporty wheelchair." As I’ve gotten into the regimen of doing exercises, I have noticed a bit more strength in my upper body and a bit more control of my legs. As time has gone on, the control and strength diminish but I theorize that I’m not losing all as fast if I were to do nothing. One of the spin-offs, I have had less periods of "down time," and when "down," less severe problems. But this is what I do. Several of my former classmates have transferred to water exercise programs as their physical abilities to do the yoga routines diminished. As I "progress," I’ll probably follow suit. Donn

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Greetings, Justin, What is the flik flak on the ground? Chandrasana and cartwheels sounds good..but flik flak? Or is it a bit like the sound of one hand clapping? Also: is bouncing and asana practice going to = levitation….and should I be concerned? Namaste. David

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This sounds like enormous fun, i’d like to try it, and i also want to learn the flik-flak on the ground. — — peace be the journey — http://home.freeuk.net/justin.horth I have no idea, but I feel the need to turn cartwheels from trikonasana and ardha chandrasana! Anyone incorporate these into yoga routines? Im currently bouncing 5 minutes per day after practice and its fantastic – everyone who bounces smiles and feel rejuvenated….am tempted to apply some asanas but where do i start? ??

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just a basic gymnastic cart-wheel into a half back-flip landing on the hands and bringing the legs over. The frog jumps ….plop — — peace be the journey — http://home.freeuk.net/justin.horth

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings, Justin, What is the flik flak on the ground? Chandrasana and cartwheels sounds good..but flik flak? Or is it a bit like the sound of one hand clapping? Also: is bouncing and asana practice going to = levitation….and should I be concerned? Namaste. David This sounds like enormous fun, i’d like to try it, and i also want to learn the flik-flak on the ground. — — peace be the journey — http://home.freeuk.net/justin.horth I have no idea, but I feel the need to turn cartwheels from trikonasana and ardha chandrasana! Anyone incorporate these into yoga routines? Im currently bouncing 5 minutes per day after practice and its fantastic – everyone who bounces smiles and feel rejuvenated….am tempted to apply some asanas but where do i start? ??

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Anyone incorporate these into yoga routines? Im currently bouncing 5 minutes per day after practice and its fantastic – everyone who bounces smiles and feel rejuvenated….am tempted to apply some asanas but where do i start? ??

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I have no idea, but I feel the need to turn cartwheels from trikonasana and ardha chandrasana! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone incorporate these into yoga routines? Im currently bouncing 5 minutes per day after practice and its fantastic – everyone who bounces smiles and feel rejuvenated….am tempted to apply some asanas but where do i start? ??

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This sounds like enormous fun, i’d like to try it, and i also want to learn the flik-flak on the ground. — — peace be the journey — http://home.freeuk.net/justin.horth

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There have been many many people (including myself) who have found pain relief from magnetic therapy. If you want more info, I can be reached at Dan

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Massage therapy can be very helpful in relief of chronic pain. For nearest massage therapist to you that is a member of the largest professional association of massage therapists please contact: American Massage Therapy Association 820 Davis Street Suite 100 Evanston,  IL  60201 (708) 864-0123 Enhance your health with professional massage… John Balletto, LMT Center for Muscular Therapy Providence,  RI

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Have just begun a review of the literature re: laser acupuncture for pain management in anticipation of introducing it into my own practice in chinese medicine.  Would you like to be kept informed? Lev Fedyniak

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Am surveying the net for successful techniques to relieve chronic muscle pain. Survey results are being noted in weekly posting with eventual goal of developing a faq. Am particularly interested in exercise regimes,effective amino acid and nutrition therapy,meditation and hypnosis scripts,hydrotherapy exercises,electrical stimulation,relaxation techniques and anything else that you have personally found effective in relieving chronic muscle pain. Each posting of this message reveals something new. Please share your successful pain relieving techniques so that they can be shared with others.

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Am surveying the net for successful techniques to relieve chronic muscle pain. Survey results are being noted in weekly posting with eventual goal of developing a faq. Am particularly interested in exercise regimes,effective amino acid and nutrition therapy,meditation and hypnosis scripts,hydrotherapy exercises,electrical stimulation,relaxation techniques and anything else that you have personally found effective in relieving chronic muscle pain. Each posting of this message reveals something new. Please share your successful pain relieving techniques so that they can be shared with others.

I found boiled balsam plant was agood pain killer for asprained ankle. In fact it was alocal anesthetic. It is aChinese remedy.                                Michael Bailes                                 The Fragrant Garden                                 25 Portsmouth Road                                    Erina 2250                                 N.S.W, Australia We can complain that rose bushes have thorns or rejoyce that thorn bushes have roses.

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 Kombuca JB.

The spelling is " Kombucha", not "Kombuca" Colleen

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: Am surveying the Net for successful techniques that relieve chronic : muscle pain. WHile a few have complained I have posted before, each : posting brings excellent results. WIll post some today. : Survey encompasses any proven technique that relieves chronic muscle : pain. Technique can be exercise,hypnosis,meditation,nutrition,–anything : that you have found successful in relieving chronic muscle pain.Usually : it is a combination of things. Please E Mail me details. Remember, what : has worked for you may relieve the suffering of others. Please share. : Have you examined massage therapy as part of a treatment program for : Fibromyalgia?   I am aware of a company called Dynamic Communications : that has published a video tape call "Understanding the Fibromyalgia : Patient" and an audio cassette titled "Fibromyalgia and Massage : Therapy." Both of these focus an massage therapy treatment. : You can get more information from them by calling 1-800-229-8433, or : E-mail to me and I’ll pass the word on. I bought an "Accugizer" machine that uses two A4 batteries to relieve muscle pain. The machine can simulate a massage at the acupuncture points, without the use of needles. It can simulate the following forms of massage: Tap, Pound, Knead, Press, and Combination. It costs about $200, but I found it extremely effective against a wide range of pain. The machine is very portable, and weighs only about 200 gms. seetoh

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  Robert Miller:   Am surveying the Net for techniques to relieve chronic muscle pain.   Actual successful techniques that one has had experience with. Am   particularly interested in the role of amino acids in pain reliefas   well as exercise programs. Please E Mail me the details. AM compiling   information for weekly posting. I recognize I have posted message   before, but each time I post more excellent information comes in.   Please share your healing techniques to help others. STOP IT! STOP IT! STOP IT!  Give-it-up, Robert. If people were really sending you stuff, all the votes would be in by now. Really…at this point, I’d rather read a Kombuca advertisement. Geeesh! JB.

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Am surveying the Net for successful techniques that relieve chronic muscle pain. WHile a few have complained I have posted before, each posting brings excellent results. WIll post some today. Survey encompasses any proven technique that relieves chronic muscle pain. Technique can be exercise,hypnosis,meditation,nutrition,–anything that you have found successful in relieving chronic muscle pain.Usually it is a combination of things. Please E Mail me details. Remember, what has worked for you may relieve the suffering of others. Please share.

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Am surveying the Net for successful techniques that relieve chronic muscle pain. WHile a few have complained I have posted before, each posting brings excellent results. WIll post some today. Survey encompasses any proven technique that relieves chronic muscle pain. Technique can be exercise,hypnosis,meditation,nutrition,–anything that you have found successful in relieving chronic muscle pain.Usually it is a combination of things. Please E Mail me details. Remember, what has worked for you may relieve the suffering of others. Please share.

Have you examined massage therapy as part of a treatment program for Fibromyalgia?   I am aware of a company called Dynamic Communications that has published a video tape call "Understanding the Fibromyalgia Patient" and an audio cassette titled "Fibromyalgia and Massage Therapy." Both of these focus an massage therapy treatment. You can get more information from them by calling 1-800-229-8433, or E-mail to me and I’ll pass the word on. Tim Heintz

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Thanks to all who responded so far. Am receiving excellent techniques. Am looking for all techniques that you have found successful in relieving or managing chronic muscle pain. Techniques can be exercise,nutrition,hypnosis,meditation or anything else that you have found works in relieving chronic pain. Please E Mail to me and be very specific and detailed as I intend to make part of weekly posting and eventually a faq.If you would like name credit in posting please advise.

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Thanks to all who responded so far. Will have a posting next week. Am looking for techniques that you have found successful in relieving or managing chronic muscle pain. Techniques can be exercise,nutrition,exercise routines,hypnosis,meditaiton or anything else that you have found very effective in relieving pain. Please E Mail to me and be very specific and detailed as I intend to make part of weekly posting and eventually a faq. If you would like credit in posting please advise.

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Thanks to all who have responded. Excellent information coming in. WIll have another partial results post by next week. Am looking for techniques to relieve chronic muscle pain that you have found successful. Techniques can be diet,nutrition,exercise routines, yoga, hypnosis, meditation, tens devices or anything else that has proved effective in relieving chronic muscle pain. Please respond in detail by E Mail as I intend to do weekly posting and eventually a faq. If you have found something that works for you please share with others.

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Am surveying best techniques to manage or eliminate chronic muscle pain. AM looking for what works for you. Can be exercise routines, diet, nutrition,medicine,meditation or hypnosis routines, nonprescription medicine etc. Anything that has proved successful. Am compiling weekly posting with a faq eventually.Please reply as you will be helping others relieve their suffering.

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JOINT PAIN     Of the most common and least diagnosed cause of chronic joint pain is hyperpronation.  Hyper[or excessive] pronation is the functional collapse of the foot during walking and standing. This, in turn, initiates a functional collapse of the entire skeletal framework.  Engineers say, ‘where goes the foundation, so goes the entire building’.  In postural mechanics we say, where goes the foot, so goes the entire body’.  This skeletal collapse is termed Bio-Implosion and you can recog- nize a ‘postural imploder’ by the swayback, hunched shoulders, thrusted chin/head, and omnipresent foot collapse. Joint Pain <Cont Tires on cars and human joints have something in common: they are both effected by alignment problems.  If the car’s alignment is off, the tires wear unevenly.  If the skeletal alignment is off, the weight bearing joints wear unevenly. We term this process mechanical osteodegerative arthritis [garden variety of wear/tear arthritis].  MOA, if left untreated, can lead to unrelenting, debilitating joint pain that can micmic such diseases as fibromyalgia, muscular sclerosis, raynauds disease, to mention just a few.    So if your joints hurt to point where it is effecting your daily activities, check your feet.  You may find that posturalcontrol orthotics will reduce or eliminate most of your joint pain. The above was written off line.  It has been posted previously.  If you have read this post, please forgive the duplication. If you would like more info on Postural Mechanics, leave me a note on my EMail address at Delphi.

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Thanks to all for continued responses. Am looking for techniques that have actually worked in healing chronic muscle pain. Techniques can include diet,nutritition,exercise routines,hypnosis,meditation routines,yoga routines, or anything that has worked well for you. Please respond in detail via E Mail to me. If it has worked for you, it will be of great assistance to others. Am doing weekly posting and eventually will prepare a faq.

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-Am surveying the net for those people who have had success in relieving -chronic muscle pain. Techniques can be anything that has worked- can -include diet,nutrition,yoga,exercise,medicine,hypnosis or meditation -routines. Please be specific in your E Mail response to me. Am doing -weekly posting and eventually will develop a faq. Please share your -success with others. You have posted this 4 times in alt.med.fibromyalgia in the last week, not weekly as you mention. Mark London

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Am surveying the net for those people who have had success in relieving chronic muscle pain. Techniques can be anything that has worked- can include diet,nutrition,yoga,exercise,medicine,hypnosis or meditation routines. Please be specific in your E Mail response to me. Am doing weekly posting and eventually will develop a faq. Please share your success with others.

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I’ve tried self-hypnosis with very limited success — the technique works but it takes an inordiate amount of time, i.e. it takes 20 minutes to get 30 minutes worth of relief, not a great investment. Better was accupuncture which reduced but did not releive the pain entirely. In addition, I tried anti-depressants — DON’T.  They not only made the pain worse, they made me depressed to boot!  ick. What I do mostly now is Vicodin and endurance.  Neither of which is really a good long-term solution.  I would be interested in anything that you find out, though. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Am surveying the net for those people who have had success in relieving chronic muscle pain. Techniques can be anything that has worked- can include diet,nutrition,yoga,exercise,medicine,hypnosis or meditation routines. Please be specific in your E Mail response to me. Am doing weekly posting and eventually will develop a faq. Please share your success with others.

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-I’ve tried self-hypnosis with very limited success — the technique works -but it takes an inordiate amount of time, i.e. it takes 20 minutes to get -30 minutes worth of relief, not a great investment. – -Better was accupuncture which reduced but did not releive the pain entirely. – -In addition, I tried anti-depressants — DON’T.  They not only made the -pain worse, they made me depressed to boot!  ick. It may be for you.  However, for many people who have fibromyalgia, the  right type  and  level  anti-depressant  can be a god-send.  It has been for me.  To make a recommendation based on just your own experience is irresponsible. Mark London  * Origin: Medical System Munich –

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-I’ve tried self-hypnosis with very limited success — the technique works -but it takes an inordiate amount of time, i.e. it takes 20 minutes to get -30 minutes worth of relief, not a great investment. – -Better was accupuncture which reduced but did not releive the pain entirely. – -In addition, I tried anti-depressants — DON’T.  They not only made the -pain worse, they made me depressed to boot!  ick. It may be for you.  However, for many people who have fibromyalgia, the  right type  and  level  anti-depressant  can be a god-send.  It has been for me.  To make a recommendation based on just your own experience is irresponsible. Mark London

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I’ve tried self-hypnosis with very limited success — the technique works but it takes an inordiate amount of time, i.e. it takes 20 minutes to get 30 minutes worth of relief, not a great investment. Better was accupuncture which reduced but did not releive the pain entirely. In addition, I tried anti-depressants — DON’T.  They not only made the pain worse, they made me depressed to boot!  ick.

Anti-depressants don’t work for everyone – they didn’t for me.  But flexeril, and ambien before bed have made a world of difference.  Don’t give up on all medications, the trick is finding what works for you. (That is, if you want to try medication.) What I do mostly now is Vicodin and endurance.  Neither of which is really a good long-term solution.  I would be interested in anything that you find out, though.

Good Luck, julie   :   :  julie mcconnell   :  <ridgecrest aka china lake   :       :  There’s no trick to being a humorist,     :   when you have the whole government working for you.   :   :             -Will Rogers   :   :

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I’ve tried self-hypnosis with very limited success — the technique works but it takes an inordiate amount of time, i.e. it takes 20 minutes to get 30 minutes worth of relief, not a great investment. Better was accupuncture which reduced but did not releive the pain entirely. In addition, I tried anti-depressants — DON’T.  They not only made the pain worse, they made me depressed to boot!  ick.

Anti-depressants don’t work for everyone – they didn’t for me.  But flexeril, and ambien before bed have made a world of difference.  Don’t give up on all medications, the trick is finding what works for you. (That is, if you want to try medication.) What I do mostly now is Vicodin and endurance.  Neither of which is really a good long-term solution.  I would be interested in anything that you find out, though.

Good Luck, julie   :   :  julie mcconnell   :  <ridgecrest aka china lake   :       :  There’s no trick to being a humorist,     :   when you have the whole government working for you.   :   :             -Will Rogers   :   :  * Origin: Medical System Munich – medsys.muc.de (80:8

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