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If you like Max Cannon, or just overtly sick humor, check out this website, you’ll laugh so hard that your anxiety will be lost (kinda) =) www.desert.net/redmeat Giggle till you drop Jacobo Loco

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: If you like Max Cannon, or just overtly sick humor, check out this website, : you’ll laugh so hard that your anxiety will be lost (kinda) =) Hey! Don’t forget the Amusing Panics website… http://www.netaxs.com/people/aca3/AP.HTM New submissions always welcome!                                 Best Wishes,                                 Arthur

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Found this in a newspaper. It seems to make sense. Stop laughing. This is serious. Experts claim laughter cures everything from depression to auto-immune diseases. Yet studies show we’re losing our sense of humour. Once a week, groups of people gather in parks across Sydney, and start chanting, "Ho-ho-haha-ha." Before long, they break into spontaneous laughter. And then the action starts. They swing their arms, clap, take deep breaths and stretch, chuckling and chortling the whole time. No, they’re not mad. They’re just being taught to laugh. "People think it’s weird that we get together and do this in a park," says Laughing Class teacher Shirley Hicks. "But participants find it really valuable for their daily lives. A laughter session makes them feel better for the week ahead." Laughter is no laughing matter: Studies have found it’s hugely important for your overall health and well being, but most of us don’t do it enough. A good belly laugh gives your internal organs a workout. It makes your heart beat faster, which pumps more blood and oxygen around your body, which makes you fitter. One minute of serious laughing equals 10 minutes of aerobic exercise, according to researchers at Stanford University in the US. But clinical studies show the benefits of a generous guffaw go far deeper. Happy and healthy Some people claim laughter has cured them of serious illness, as well as depression and general emotional malaise. Dr Peter Spitzer, founder of Australia’s Humour Foundation, says this is because laughing revs up our hypothalamus (our master hormonal control centre) and our pituitary and adrenal glands. These stimulate the production of endorphins (natural morphine-like brain hormones that make us feel good). This causes us to relax and stimulates our T-cells (disease-fighting immune cells) into reproducing like crazy. "It’s a cascade effect," explains Dr Spitzer. Clinical studies show that laughter also lowers our erythrocyte sedimentation rate, which basically means that our immune function improves. "The direct mechanism isn’t absolutely clear," Dr Spitzer says. "But clinical studies have shown that laughter increases the amount of immunoglobulins [IgA], the proteins that boost disease-fighting antibodies." In one study, IgA levels improved in people after they’d watched just half an hour of a comedy video. Giggling to relax Laughter is also an effective stress fighter. "One of the reasons we feel good when we laugh is because it reduces the serum cortisol [stress hormone] level, not only at the time we’re laughing but later on, as well," Dr Spitzer says. "One study showed that the effects of a good belly laugh lasts the rest of the day." The idea of laughter curing illness first gained prominence in 1979, when US newspaper editor Norman Cousins claimed he’d cured himself of a degenerative disease of his connective tissue, largely through laughing. Cousins checked himself out of hospital and into a hotel and started his self-therapy, which involved watching Laurel and Hardy and Abbott and Costello movies. He surrounded himself with funny friends, read humorous books and listened to tapes that made him laugh. Cousins attributed his eventual recovery to a positive attitude and loads of Vitamin C. Along with most doctors, Dr Spitzer draws the line at the notion that you can literally laugh yourself better. Even so, he says doctors won’t deny that a positive attitude is a good thing and that despair can cause critically ill people to give up and die sooner than they otherwise would. Given that it’s both quick and cheap, you’d think we’d be using laughter to fight disease more often. In fact, we’re laughing less than we used to. German psychologist Dr Michael Titze found that adults in the 1950s laughed for an average of about 18 minutes a day. These days, we’re lucky to make it to five minutes. Dr Spitzer says children laugh about 300 times a day, but for adults it’s considered unusual to laugh 30 times a day. "Something’s happened to adults – they just don’t laugh enough. The child within isn’t coming out," he says. Mirth mantras Lack of laughter is a problem all around the world. In 1995, Bombay doctor Madan Kataria, convinced of the medicinal benefits of happiness, set up a laughing club, using a mirth-inducing yoga posture – basically, a breathy ho-ho-ha-ha-ha chant. More than 100 laughing clubs have sprung up across India, and in 1998 10,000 people turned up to a World Laughter Day organised by Dr Kataria in Bombay. The concept arrived in Australia three years ago; Hicks has been running laughing clubs in Sydney for 12 months. The first time Hicks, a trained naturopath, held a laughing class, three people turned up. A year later, 25 people turn up to each of the six classes she hosts across the city. Laughers range in age from late 30s to early 50s and their reasons for coming vary from depression and loneliness to wanting to forget their physical pain. Attendees are led through breathing techniques and such exercises as the greeting laugh, the lion laugh, swinging laughter and silent laughter with mouth wide open. "A lot of people who come have said they’re laughing more spontaneously now," Hicks says. "And we’ve had a lot of people saying they’re now taking life a lot less seriously." A major flow-on effect of laughing more is that it leads to happier offices and working environments. Geoff Mulray, a corporate coach from training company Rogen International, says that laughter is often used as a corporate tool by effective managers in all industries and it can oil the wheels in any workplace. "A good leader knows how to use humour to relieve tension or to take pressure off an individual," says Mulray. "Laughter can really humanise an environment that has otherwise lost humanity," he says. "Really great leaders can use humour in a way that builds people and deals with difficult situations." Laughing for just 10 minutes will:

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my new favorite yoga posture Love, Marina

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In article <Pine.GSO.4.32.0102091743230.3649- my new favorite yoga posture Love, Marina

go on….. bmc

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go on…..

Are you baiting me? Try it: -lie on your back -raise your feet off the floor and bring them (legs straight) to the floor behind your head (only your toes are touching the floor) -after a while, bend your knees and place them on the floor next to your ears Love, Marina

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Whatever, I’m confounded. Someone please help me. There’s only one thing that you can do, and that’s to keep a straight face (do the best you can) and *ignore* them.

Wait a minute!  Only one thing?  Heck!  I recently learned, that given a choice of two options, you should look a little further to make sure you are not missing a third or fourth option.  What comes to mind?  Hmm, how about: asking them seriously and politely if you have a booger hanging out of your nose carry a small pocket mirror so you can check your face carefully, after which you look at them quizzically. practice the "lion" yoga posture – open your mouth and eyes really big being sure to stick your tongue out and down toward your chin. jump up, point and shout "You are the anti-christ!" Years ago, I was out at dinner with a boyfriend.  There were several older people at the table next to us.  This one woman just kept staring at my friend.  Finally, at desert we had ice cream.  Tim picked up a spoonful of ice cream, and while looking back at the woman, with a totally straight face, he headed it toward his cheek instead of his mouth, and stuck it there.  She finally looked away. And you’ve inspired me to post "archy is shocked" so be sure to read it, O.K.? -ajiko

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On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:23:49 +0100, "Nickf" <nichol…@eurobell.co.uk

wrote:

Scotty <sc…@premedicine.com wrote in message news:8itrhq$khe$1@nnrp1.deja.com… You make an anecdotal reference to "Indian Men" . Do you mean American- indians or Hindues? . :=) Hindus. The peoples of the Pacific Rim (Am-indians, Orientals, Polynesians, etc) are indeed, quite the opposite and very discreet in the way that they look at strangers. I suspect that the ‘looking at strangers’ issue is partly attributable to genetic disposition, but also highly influenced by cultural factors.

Nickf, I think you hit the nail on the head re. cultural factors.  Another possible example besides staring is how close people stand to each other when conversing.  In the U.S., a few feet of distance (for non intimate conversation) is sort of the norm, but I’ve read of other cultures where custom dictates people stand only a foot or so away from each other.  I’ve never run into this, but if I did, I know it would make me very uncomfortable.  I’d probably find myself backing up one step at a time – while the other guy counters my effort by taking a step forward. The Caucasian peoples (including those of the Indian subcontinent) are more – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->overtly expressive in social interaction than the Pacifics. >I suppose staring is simply over-familiarity that spills over into >’disrepect’ which is why it tends to engender displeasure. >Mind, I have to say that if a starer happens to be a) – of the opposite sex >and b) – attractive, I find myself strangely tolerant. >> In article <2622.208T171T10323157swa…@swalde.u-net.com>, >>   "Sylvain Van der Walde" <swa…@swalde.u-net.com> wrote: >> > Nickf <nichol…@eurobell.co.uk> wrote on 21-Jun-00 22:15:51: >> > Re: Upper lip >> > << read and snipped >

>> > > I get similar stuff……….puckered mouth like a cat’s >> arse,sometimes >> > > frowning, sometimes grinning like a Cheshire cat, sometimes staring >> into >> > > space, but most of all I get annoyed about other people looking and >> staring >> ************************************** >> > > at me. >> >   ***** >> > > Are they psychotic ? >> > > Where the hell do they get off doing that ? >> > > Don’t they feel uncomfortable ? >> > > Are they trying to intimidate ? >> > > I cannot for the life of me, understand why in the sweet name of >> J***s they >> > > do it. >> > > Does anyone have any ideas ? >> > NickF. >> > There’s very little doubt (and I’m being sincere) that the problem >> lies with >> > you, IMO. Your facial expression and/or body language are probably "in >> > question", and people (men) are reacting to this in a negative way >> (it’s >> > probably a reflex action on their part). I’m reasonably sure that no >> great >> > harm is meant by it; they’re just being "human". >A possibility – but wouldn’t this apply more universally ? >Other than which I would have to say that the driving sentiment would appear >to be positive – ‘I want you to acknowledge/talk to me’, than >antipathetic or fearful. >If you feel antipathy towards someone, you wouldn’t provoke >them unless you were a) – psychotic or b) – in a position of great power. >> > > The worst offenders without any question, are Indians – this I do >> not >> > > understand, but a few times I’ve got uncomfortably close to becoming >> > > violent. >> > > Maybe it’s their way of exressing antipathy, maybe it’s an open >> display of >> > > homosexuality (only the men do it). >> > On a few occasions, men have "eyed" me (a couple were Indians). My >> reactions >> > varied depending on the place and occasion: >> > When a young Indian man gazed at me intently (he was sitting opposite >> me in >> > a tube train), I was annoyed but decided that the best policy was to >> keep a >> > straight face and ignore him. That worked. >> > In Sainsbury’s supermarket, an Indian assistant (on the till) gave me >> a long >> > unblinking stare. This annoyed me and (as the man was being paid to >> render a >> > service) I didn’t hide my anger, and it showed in my face. He got the >> > message and became angry himself (I know this because his manner >> became >> > terse, and he made sure that my four yoghurt pots were placed upside >> down on >> > the conveyor belt). >> > > Whatever, I’m confounded. >> > > Someone please help me. >> > There’s only one thing that you can do, and that’s to keep a straight >> face >> > (do the best you can) and *ignore* them. >> > In the second instance, try to find out what causes this reaction in >> men (it’s >> > not easy, but not impossible). >> > Finally, this matter is your own responsibility and not other >> people’s. >> > So please don’t blame them for *your* problems. >So you’re of the opinion that staring is a) – agreeable and b) – acceptable >? >It’s only ‘my’ problem in the same way that someone saying something >offensive to me might be – like you, for instance. >Nor is it a question of ‘blame’, as you so perceptively state. >It’s simply an everyday response to a social transgression. >Your interpretation of the situation is somewhat warped. >Have you ever considered anger management ? >> > Please rest assured that I do relate to, and understand your problems. >I wish I could say I understood yours. >> > As Davide wrote recently " *Life is hard* ". >If it were simply ‘hard’, I’d be a happy bunny. >> > > Nickf >> > Sylvain. >> > (A gentleman ? ?…………..from London, England, UK). >> > swa…@swalde.u-net.com >> — >> http://www.universalscience.com >> I am getting Paid to surf — NO SOFTWARE TO DOWNLOAD — >> International clients ok , free e-mail , free webpage , >> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >> Before you buy.

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  "Sylvain Van der Walde" <swa…@swalde.u-net.com

wrote: Nickf <nichol…@eurobell.co.uk wrote on 21-Jun-00 22:15:51: Re: Upper lip << read and snipped I get similar stuff……….puckered mouth like a cat’s

arse,sometimes

frowning, sometimes grinning like a Cheshire cat, sometimes staring

into

space, but most of all I get annoyed about other people looking and

staring

************************************** – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

at me.   ***** Are they psychotic ? Where the hell do they get off doing that ? Don’t they feel uncomfortable ? Are they trying to intimidate ? I cannot for the life of me, understand why in the sweet name of

J***s they

do it. Does anyone have any ideas ? NickF. There’s very little doubt (and I’m being sincere) that the problem

lies with

you, IMO. Your facial expression and/or body language are probably "in question",

hmmm I do not know about this one . I agree that some physical reactions and manifestations of some SPers do not fall near the Norm of the curve for human behavior . But then again , most of us , in our everyday life find – out of the ordinary people and experiences . For example : Some people with physical handicaps and/or cerebral handicaps can adopt some unfamiliar shapes which one can argue could very well attract the attention of those individuals not used to such sights . However , (In most developed countries) it would be considered an act of rudeness or lack of tact to simply stare , laugh , or ridicule some one with such handicap either by staring or by ventilating comments to that effect . It is clear that in such situation the problem does not lie on the observed entity but on the observer rather . :=)  and people (men) are reacting to this in a negative way (it’s

probably a reflex action on their part). I’m reasonably sure that no

great

harm is meant by it; they’re just being "human".

Perhaps it is human nature indeed….a reflexive reaction , and yes most likely no harm is meant by it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

The worst offenders without any question, are Indians – this I do

not

understand, but a few times I’ve got uncomfortably close to becoming violent. Maybe it’s their way of exressing antipathy, maybe it’s an open

display of

homosexuality (only the men do it). On a few occasions, men have "eyed" me (a couple were Indians). My

reactions

varied depending on the place and occasion: When a young Indian man gazed at me intently (he was sitting opposite

me in

a tube train), I was annoyed but decided that the best policy was to

keep a

straight face and ignore him. That worked. In Sainsbury’s supermarket, an Indian assistant (on the till) gave me

a long

unblinking stare. This annoyed me and (as the man was being paid to

render a

service) I didn’t hide my anger, and it showed in my face. He got the message and became angry himself (I know this because his manner

became

terse, and he made sure that my four yoghurt pots were placed upside

down on

the conveyor belt).

Good lord! never before did I notice such ethnic relationship!?

Whatever, I’m confounded. Someone please help me. There’s only one thing that you can do, and that’s to keep a straight

face

(do the best you can) and *ignore* them. In the second instance, try to find out what causes this reaction in

men (it’s

not easy, but not impossible). Finally, this matter is your own responsibility and not other

people’s. hmmm . This is debatable on the basis of "Good getting along manners" .

So please don’t blame them for *your* problems.

By no means!..However those who carelessly stare at other people’s problems do IMO deserve attention.

Please rest assured that I do relate to, and understand your problems. As Davide wrote recently " *Life is hard* ". Nickf Sylvain. (A gentleman from London, England, UK). swa…@swalde.u-net.com

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My Daddy always said the most important thing a woman puts on in the morning is her expression.  He didn’t look at men, much, but I think it’s the same for them.  If I see someone walking around with a frown or a sour expression, I usually think that must be a pretty disagreeable person.  A smiling face, on the other hand, even if it’s a goofy smile, makes me smile back because I think that’s a person with a sense of humor or at least a good outlook. In article <sl2prujue7f…@corp.supernews.com

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  "Keir" <keirs…@dreamscape.com

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I used to get mild twitches all over my face from contorting my face

to hold

in all my emotions so no one would know if I was smiling because of something they said in a conversation next to me or something

(wouldn’t want

to offend them with my presense/existence).  I think it mostly went

away

with medication loosening me up a bit. Oh, and my best friend’s messed up her jaw from clenching it during

her

sleep (stress-related). Keirstan. Davide <dado…@hotmail.com wrote in message news:8iopml$3g4$1@pinco.nettuno.it… Upper lip ? I’ll explain. Sometimes I catch myself with a particular tension on my face. I realize when I release a certain muscle on my face. This muscle

was

tense without my control and when I realize it I can realxe this muscle. Now, I’ll try to explain which muscle is. Imagine an expression of disgust. You will have just one side on your upper lip slightly lift up. Sometimes this tension is so light that the lip is not really lift. Anyway people see it and they are obviously not attracted by this expression. It like a snob expression. I feel really embarassed to have discovered this. Of course I really don’t feel snob and I don’t want this expression. And it’s my SP that tenses the muscles on my face and makes me this

bad

joke. I think I’ll have to regularly check my facial expression. DAvide

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Nickf <nichol…@eurobell.co.uk

wrote on 23-Jun-00 14:23:49:

Re: Upper lip Sylvain wrote:

<< read and snipped

The worst offenders without any question, are Indians – this I do not understand, but a few times I’ve got uncomfortably close to becoming violent. Maybe it’s their way of exressing antipathy, maybe it’s an open display of homosexuality (only the men do it). On a few occasions, men have "eyed" me (a couple were Indians). My reactions varied depending on the place and occasion: When a young Indian man gazed at me intently (he was sitting opposite me in a tube train), I was annoyed but decided that the best policy was to

                    *************

keep a straight face and ignore him. That worked. In Sainsbury’s supermarket, an Indian assistant (on the till) gave me a long unblinking stare. This annoyed me and (as the man was being paid to

                       ***************

render a service) I didn’t hide my anger, and it showed in my face. He got the message and became angry himself (I know this because his manner became terse, and he made sure that my four yoghurt pots were placed upside down on the conveyor belt). Whatever, I’m confounded. Someone please help me.

       ********************** Never again. It’s been an absolute waste of time.

There’s only one thing that you can do, and that’s to keep a straight face (do the best you can) and *ignore* them. In the second instance, try to find out what causes this reaction in men (it’s not easy, but not impossible). Finally, this matter is your own responsibility and not other people’s. So please don’t blame them for *your* problems. So you’re of the opinion that staring is a) – agreeable and b) – acceptable

NickF. You can’t even show me the consideration of reading my reply carefully. (see the underlined words above).

? It’s only ‘my’ problem in the same way that someone saying something offensive to me might be – like you, for instance.

                             ********************** People are being offensive to you because there’s something that they don’t like about *you.* It’s your problem, not theirs. Don’t expect people to change for you. *You* must change. Treat your SP successfully, and your problem will disappear. Regarding your remark (underlined): I’m not a "yes" man; the truth often hurts (alright, *my* truth); if people won’t tell you the "truth", you’ll get no feedback (which is what you’re asking for, after all).

Nor is it a question of ‘blame’, as you so perceptively state. It’s simply an everyday response to a social transgression. Your interpretation of the situation is somewhat warped. Have you ever considered anger management ?

???

Please rest assured that I do relate to, and understand your problems. I wish I could say I understood yours.

You’re either worse than I thought, or you’re an ungrateful bastard. Or even both. You do need help badly, but after this performance I doubt that you’ll get it here.

As Davide wrote recently " *Life is hard* ". If it were simply ‘hard’, I’d be a happy bunny.

No comment.

Nickf Sylvain. (A gentleman ? ?…………..from London, England, UK).

Yes. It’s the opposite of gentlewoman. Sylvain. (A gentleman from London, England, UK). swa…@swalde.u-net.com

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Hi Nick In article <8iscdg$85…@slrn.eurobell.net

,

  "Nickf" <nichol…@eurobell.co.uk

wrote:

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Davide <dado…@hotmail.com wrote in message news:8ir08t$5tj$1@pinco.nettuno.it… Vickie Clark <brendens…@earthlink.rem.net wrote in message A6445.17915$ds.498…@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net… : Is it a nervous thing? I know whenever I get stressed out or

nervous I

: clench my jaw so tight that I end up hurting myself for hours or

days!

It’s : even affected my teeth, I think my wisdom teeth aren’t able to

come in

: because of this "nervous habit" of mine. just my input. : Yes, it’s the anxiety in front of people that makes me smile in

this way.

Sure it’s nervous. I was clenching my jaw, too. But with time I have dismissed this

habit.

When I was doing this, I wasn’t aware. I was realizing hours after

because

I had pain in my teeth. Davide I get similar stuff……….puckered mouth like a cat’s

arse,sometimes

frowning, sometimes grinning like a Cheshire cat, sometimes staring

into

space, but most of all I get annoyed about other people looking and

staring

at me. Are they psychotic ?

Nick I get a lot of stares too…but why would I conclude they are psychotic?…I think people’s attention is usually and normally caught by sights that are out of the ordinary .

Where the hell do they get off doing that ? Don’t they feel uncomfortable ?

May be a bit…but the fact that the sight is not ordinary just arouses their attention to the point that it becomes amusing or at least interesting.

Are they trying to intimidate ?

Why would they Nick?

I cannot for the life of me, understand why in the sweet name of

J***s they

do it. Does anyone have any ideas ? The worst offenders without any question, are Indians – this I do not understand, but a few times I’ve got uncomfortably close to becoming violent. Maybe it’s their way of exressing antipathy, maybe it’s an open

display of

homosexuality (only the men do it). Whatever, I’m confounded. Someone please help me.

I never noticed there was a higher incidence of stares from a given ethnic group.

Nickf

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Scotty <sc…@premedicine.com

wrote in message

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You make an anecdotal reference to "Indian Men" . Do you mean American- indians or Hindues? . :=)

Hindus. The peoples of the Pacific Rim (Am-indians, Orientals, Polynesians, etc) are indeed, quite the opposite and very discreet in the way that they look at strangers. I suspect that the ‘looking at strangers’ issue is partly attributable to genetic disposition, but also highly influenced by cultural factors. The Caucasian peoples (including those of the Indian subcontinent) are more overtly expressive in social interaction than the Pacifics. I suppose staring is simply over-familiarity that spills over into ‘disrepect’ which is why it tends to engender displeasure. Mind, I have to say that if a starer happens to be a) – of the opposite sex and b) – attractive, I find myself strangely tolerant. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

In article <2622.208T171T10323157swa…@swalde.u-net.com,   "Sylvain Van der Walde" <swa…@swalde.u-net.com wrote: Nickf <nichol…@eurobell.co.uk wrote on 21-Jun-00 22:15:51: Re: Upper lip << read and snipped I get similar stuff……….puckered mouth like a cat’s arse,sometimes frowning, sometimes grinning like a Cheshire cat, sometimes staring into space, but most of all I get annoyed about other people looking and staring ************************************** at me.   ***** Are they psychotic ? Where the hell do they get off doing that ? Don’t they feel uncomfortable ? Are they trying to intimidate ? I cannot for the life of me, understand why in the sweet name of J***s they do it. Does anyone have any ideas ? NickF. There’s very little doubt (and I’m being sincere) that the problem lies with you, IMO. Your facial expression and/or body language are probably "in question", and people (men) are reacting to this in a negative way (it’s probably a reflex action on their part). I’m reasonably sure that no great harm is meant by it; they’re just being "human".

A possibility – but wouldn’t this apply more universally ? Other than which I would have to say that the driving sentiment would appear to be positive – ‘I want you to acknowledge/talk to me’, than antipathetic or fearful. If you feel antipathy towards someone, you wouldn’t provoke them unless you were a) – psychotic or b) – in a position of great power. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

The worst offenders without any question, are Indians – this I do not understand, but a few times I’ve got uncomfortably close to becoming violent. Maybe it’s their way of exressing antipathy, maybe it’s an open display of homosexuality (only the men do it). On a few occasions, men have "eyed" me (a couple were Indians). My reactions varied depending on the place and occasion: When a young Indian man gazed at me intently (he was sitting opposite me in a tube train), I was annoyed but decided that the best policy was to keep a straight face and ignore him. That worked. In Sainsbury’s supermarket, an Indian assistant (on the till) gave me a long unblinking stare. This annoyed me and (as the man was being paid to render a service) I didn’t hide my anger, and it showed in my face. He got the message and became angry himself (I know this because his manner became terse, and he made sure that my four yoghurt pots were placed upside down on the conveyor belt). Whatever, I’m confounded. Someone please help me. There’s only one thing that you can do, and that’s to keep a straight face (do the best you can) and *ignore* them. In the second instance, try to find out what causes this reaction in men (it’s not easy, but not impossible). Finally, this matter is your own responsibility and not other people’s. So please don’t blame them for *your* problems.

So you’re of the opinion that staring is a) – agreeable and b) – acceptable ? It’s only ‘my’ problem in the same way that someone saying something offensive to me might be – like you, for instance. Nor is it a question of ‘blame’, as you so perceptively state. It’s simply an everyday response to a social transgression. Your interpretation of the situation is somewhat warped. Have you ever considered anger management ?

Please rest assured that I do relate to, and understand your problems.

I wish I could say I understood yours.

As Davide wrote recently " *Life is hard* ".

If it were simply ‘hard’, I’d be a happy bunny. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

Nickf Sylvain. (A gentleman ? ?…………..from London, England, UK). swa…@swalde.u-net.com — http://www.universalscience.com I am getting Paid to surf — NO SOFTWARE TO DOWNLOAD — International clients ok , free e-mail , free webpage , Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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Is it a nervous thing? I know whenever I get stressed out or nervous I clench my jaw so tight that I end up hurting myself for hours or days! It’s even affected my teeth, I think my wisdom teeth aren’t able to come in because of this "nervous habit" of mine. just my input.

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A6445.17915$ds.498…@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net… : Is it a nervous thing? I know whenever I get stressed out or nervous I : clench my jaw so tight that I end up hurting myself for hours or days! It’s : even affected my teeth, I think my wisdom teeth aren’t able to come in : because of this "nervous habit" of mine. just my input. : Yes, it’s the anxiety in front of people that makes me smile in this way. Sure it’s nervous. I was clenching my jaw, too. But with time I have dismissed this habit. When I was doing this, I wasn’t aware. I was realizing hours after because I had pain in my teeth. Davide :

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Upper lip ? I’ll explain.

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Sometimes I catch myself with a particular tension on my face.

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I realize when I release a certain muscle on my face. This muscle was

tense :

without my control and when I realize it I can realxe this muscle.

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Now, I’ll try to explain which muscle is.

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Imagine an expression of disgust.

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You will have just one side on your upper lip slightly lift up.

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Sometimes this tension is so light that the lip is not really lift.

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Anyway people see it and they are obviously not attracted by this

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expression.

: : : It worked for Elvis. : : Are you sure? three words: Body Dysmorphic Disorder. : : Jake : : Am I sure what Jake ? That people don’t like it ? It’s not another disorder I think. It’s just the extreme anxiety. Davide :

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It like a snob expression.

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I feel really embarassed to have discovered this.

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Of course I really don’t feel snob and I don’t want this expression.

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And it’s my SP that tenses the muscles on my face and makes me this bad

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joke.

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I think I’ll have to regularly check my facial expression.

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DAvide

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Upper lip ? I’ll explain. Sometimes I catch myself with a particular tension on my face. I realize when I release a certain muscle on my face. This muscle was

tense

without my control and when I realize it I can realxe this muscle. Now, I’ll try to explain which muscle is. Imagine an expression of disgust. You will have just one side on your upper lip slightly lift up. Sometimes this tension is so light that the lip is not really lift. Anyway people see it and they are obviously not attracted by this expression. It like a snob expression. I feel really embarassed to have discovered this. Of course I really don’t feel snob and I don’t want this expression. And it’s my SP that tenses the muscles on my face and makes me this

bad

joke. I think I’ll have to regularly check my facial expression. DAvide

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I used to get mild twitches all over my face from contorting my face to hold in all my emotions so no one would know if I was smiling because of something they said in a conversation next to me or something (wouldn’t want to offend them with my presense/existence).  I think it mostly went away with medication loosening me up a bit. Oh, and my best friend’s messed up her jaw from clenching it during her sleep (stress-related). Keirstan. Davide <dado…@hotmail.com

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Upper lip ? I’ll explain. Sometimes I catch myself with a particular tension on my face. I realize when I release a certain muscle on my face. This muscle was

tense

without my control and when I realize it I can realxe this muscle. Now, I’ll try to explain which muscle is. Imagine an expression of disgust. You will have just one side on your upper lip slightly lift up. Sometimes this tension is so light that the lip is not really lift. Anyway people see it and they are obviously not attracted by this expression. It like a snob expression. I feel really embarassed to have discovered this. Of course I really don’t feel snob and I don’t want this expression. And it’s my SP that tenses the muscles on my face and makes me this bad joke. I think I’ll have to regularly check my facial expression. DAvide

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> A6445.17915$ds.498…@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net… > : Is it a nervous thing? I know whenever I get stressed out or nervous I > : clench my jaw so tight that I end up hurting myself for hours or days! > It’s > : even affected my teeth, I think my wisdom teeth aren’t able to come in > : because of this "nervous habit" of mine. just my input. > : > Yes, it’s the anxiety in front of people that makes me smile in this way. > Sure it’s nervous. > I was clenching my jaw, too. But with time I have dismissed this habit. > When I was doing this, I wasn’t aware. I was realizing hours after because I

had pain in my teeth. Davide

I get similar stuff……….puckered mouth like a cat’s arse,sometimes frowning, sometimes grinning like a Cheshire cat, sometimes staring into space, but most of all I get annoyed about other people looking and staring at me. Are they psychotic ? Where the hell do they get off doing that ? Don’t they feel uncomfortable ? Are they trying to intimidate ? I cannot for the life of me, understand why in the sweet name of J***s they do it. Does anyone have any ideas ? The worst offenders without any question, are Indians – this I do not understand, but a few times I’ve got uncomfortably close to becoming violent. Maybe it’s their way of exressing antipathy, maybe it’s an open display of homosexuality (only the men do it). Whatever, I’m confounded. Someone please help me. Nickf

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 "Davide" <dado…@hotmail.com

wrote: Upper lip ? I’ll explain. Sometimes I catch myself with a particular tension on my face. I realize when I release a certain muscle on my face. This muscle was tense without my control and when I realize it I can realxe this muscle. Now, I’ll try to explain which muscle is. Imagine an expression of disgust. You will have just one side on your upper lip slightly lift up. Sometimes this tension is so light that the lip is not really lift. Anyway people see it and they are obviously not attracted by this expression.

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It like a snob expression. I feel really embarassed to have discovered this. Of course I really don’t feel snob and I don’t want this expression. And it’s my SP that tenses the muscles on my face and makes me this bad joke. I think I’ll have to regularly check my facial expression. DAvide

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wrote: clj <Jakesc…@yahoo.com wrote in message jpi1ls8dbm9dk0qo0tadf4lihb5n63i…@4ax.com… : : :  "Davide" <dado…@hotmail.com wrote: : : Upper lip ? I’ll explain. : : Sometimes I catch myself with a particular tension on my face. : I realize when I release a certain muscle on my face. This muscle was tense : without my control and when I realize it I can realxe this muscle. : : Now, I’ll try to explain which muscle is. : Imagine an expression of disgust. : You will have just one side on your upper lip slightly lift up. : Sometimes this tension is so light that the lip is not really lift. : Anyway people see it and they are obviously not attracted by this : expression. : : : It worked for Elvis. : : Are you sure? three words: Body Dysmorphic Disorder. : : Jake : : Am I sure what Jake ? That people don’t like it ?

Yes. Smetimes what we feel and see about ourselves is different from what others think of us or is not to the same extreme level.

It’s not another disorder I think. It’s just the extreme anxiety.

Some normies can walk around with a snearing expression and not worry what others think of them. There’s a UK comic I saw interviewed recently who had a frowning expression all the time, yet was good natured and made people laugh.

Davide

I think anxiety disorders can lead to other anxiety disorders. And I believe body dystrophic disorder is one of those that can sneak up on you. Being overly self conscious of the way we look in front of others, feeling that there’s something definitely wrong and having to check the way we look all the time (in mirrors and windows etc) is a very good indication of it. You many not have it, but just beware. Jake – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

: : It like a snob expression. : : I feel really embarassed to have discovered this. : Of course I really don’t feel snob and I don’t want this expression. : And it’s my SP that tenses the muscles on my face and makes me this bad : joke. : : I think I’ll have to regularly check my facial expression. : : DAvide : :

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From: "Davide"

: :

:

Upper lip ? I’ll explain.

:

:

Sometimes I catch myself with a particular tension on my face.

:

I realize when I release a certain muscle on my face. This muscle was

tense :

without my control and when I realize it I can realxe this muscle.

:

:

Now, I’ll try to explain which muscle is.

:

Imagine an expression of disgust.

:

You will have just one side on your upper lip slightly lift up.

:

Sometimes this tension is so light that the lip is not really lift.

:

Anyway people see it and they are obviously not attracted by this

:

expression.

:

:

It like a snob expression.

:

:

I feel really embarassed to have discovered this.

:

Of course I really don’t feel snob and I don’t want this expression.

:

And it’s my SP that tenses the muscles on my face and makes me this bad

:

joke.

:

:

I think I’ll have to regularly check my facial expression.

:

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DAvide

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:

: : What about trying to smile more often?  That would be easier than trying to : keep your face neutral. : : Grachman, The : Grach, there’s the risk that I wear an idiotic smile. At primary school, the teacher said once in front of the class I always have an idiotic smile. I don’t blame this teacher because it’s way better that s/one tells you something instead they shut up and laugh at you back. Not really funny Davide : : : :

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From: "Davide" Upper lip ? I’ll explain. Sometimes I catch myself with a particular tension on my face. I realize when I release a certain muscle on my face. This muscle was tense without my control and when I realize it I can realxe this muscle. Now, I’ll try to explain which muscle is. Imagine an expression of disgust. You will have just one side on your upper lip slightly lift up. Sometimes this tension is so light that the lip is not really lift. Anyway people see it and they are obviously not attracted by this expression. It like a snob expression. I feel really embarassed to have discovered this. Of course I really don’t feel snob and I don’t want this expression. And it’s my SP that tenses the muscles on my face and makes me this bad joke. I think I’ll have to regularly check my facial expression. DAvide

What about trying to smile more often?  That would be easier than trying to keep your face neutral. Grachman, The

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Nickf <nichol…@eurobell.co.uk

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Re: Upper lip << read and snipped

I get similar stuff……….puckered mouth like a cat’s arse,sometimes frowning, sometimes grinning like a Cheshire cat, sometimes staring into space, but most of all I get annoyed about other people looking and staring

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at me.

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Are they psychotic ? Where the hell do they get off doing that ? Don’t they feel uncomfortable ? Are they trying to intimidate ? I cannot for the life of me, understand why in the sweet name of J***s they do it. Does anyone have any ideas ?

NickF. There’s very little doubt (and I’m being sincere) that the problem lies with you, IMO. Your facial expression and/or body language are probably "in question", and people (men) are reacting to this in a negative way (it’s probably a reflex action on their part). I’m reasonably sure that no great harm is meant by it; they’re just being "human".

The worst offenders without any question, are Indians – this I do not understand, but a few times I’ve got uncomfortably close to becoming violent. Maybe it’s their way of exressing antipathy, maybe it’s an open display of homosexuality (only the men do it).

On a few occasions, men have "eyed" me (a couple were Indians). My reactions varied depending on the place and occasion: When a young Indian man gazed at me intently (he was sitting opposite me in a tube train), I was annoyed but decided that the best policy was to keep a straight face and ignore him. That worked. In Sainsbury’s supermarket, an Indian assistant (on the till) gave me a long unblinking stare. This annoyed me and (as the man was being paid to render a service) I didn’t hide my anger, and it showed in my face. He got the message and became angry himself (I know this because his manner became terse, and he made sure that my four yoghurt pots were placed upside down on the conveyor belt).

Whatever, I’m confounded. Someone please help me.

There’s only one thing that you can do, and that’s to keep a straight face (do the best you can) and *ignore* them. In the second instance, try to find out what causes this reaction in men (it’s not easy, but not impossible). Finally, this matter is your own responsibility and not other people’s. So please don’t blame them for *your* problems. Please rest assured that I do relate to, and understand your problems. As Davide wrote recently " *Life is hard* ".

Nickf

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You make an anecdotal reference to "Indian Men" . Do you mean American- indians or Hindues? . :=) In article <2622.208T171T10323157swa…@swalde.u-net.com

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  "Sylvain Van der Walde" <swa…@swalde.u-net.com

wrote: Nickf <nichol…@eurobell.co.uk wrote on 21-Jun-00 22:15:51: Re: Upper lip << read and snipped I get similar stuff……….puckered mouth like a cat’s

arse,sometimes

frowning, sometimes grinning like a Cheshire cat, sometimes staring

into

space, but most of all I get annoyed about other people looking and

staring

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at me.   ***** Are they psychotic ? Where the hell do they get off doing that ? Don’t they feel uncomfortable ? Are they trying to intimidate ? I cannot for the life of me, understand why in the sweet name of

J***s they

do it. Does anyone have any ideas ? NickF. There’s very little doubt (and I’m being sincere) that the problem

lies with

you, IMO. Your facial expression and/or body language are probably "in question", and people (men) are reacting to this in a negative way

(it’s

probably a reflex action on their part). I’m reasonably sure that no

great

harm is meant by it; they’re just being "human". The worst offenders without any question, are Indians – this I do

not

understand, but a few times I’ve got uncomfortably close to becoming violent. Maybe it’s their way of exressing antipathy, maybe it’s an open

display of

homosexuality (only the men do it). On a few occasions, men have "eyed" me (a couple were Indians). My

reactions

varied depending on the place and occasion: When a young Indian man gazed at me intently (he was sitting opposite

me in

a tube train), I was annoyed but decided that the best policy was to

keep a

straight face and ignore him. That worked. In Sainsbury’s supermarket, an Indian assistant (on the till) gave me

a long

unblinking stare. This annoyed me and (as the man was being paid to

render a

service) I didn’t hide my anger, and it showed in my face. He got the message and became angry himself (I know this because his manner

became

terse, and he made sure that my four yoghurt pots were placed upside

down on

the conveyor belt). Whatever, I’m confounded. Someone please help me. There’s only one thing that you can do, and that’s to keep a straight

face

(do the best you can) and *ignore* them. In the second instance, try to find out what causes this reaction in

men (it’s

not easy, but not impossible). Finally, this matter is your own responsibility and not other

people’s.

So please don’t blame them for *your* problems. Please rest assured that I do relate to, and understand your problems. As Davide wrote recently " *Life is hard* ". Nickf Sylvain. (A gentleman from London, England, UK). swa…@swalde.u-net.com

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From: "Davide" : : What about trying to smile more often?  That would be easier than trying to : keep your face neutral. : : Grachman, The : Grach, there’s the risk that I wear an idiotic smile. At primary school, the teacher said once in front of the class I always have an idiotic smile. I don’t blame this teacher because it’s way better that s/one tells you something instead they shut up and laugh at you back. Not really funny Davide

I know what you mean.  I think lots of times I would simle innappropriately in class, like if a teacher was rewarding me for something. But the teacher didn’t have to say that in front of the class, did she? Grachman, The

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From: "Davide" Upper lip ? I’ll explain. Sometimes I catch myself with a particular tension on my face. I realize when I release a certain muscle on my face. This muscle was

tense

without my control and when I realize it I can realxe this muscle. Now, I’ll try to explain which muscle is. Imagine an expression of disgust. You will have just one side on your upper lip slightly lift up. Sometimes this tension is so light that the lip is not really lift. Anyway people see it and they are obviously not attracted by this expression. It like a snob expression. I feel really embarassed to have discovered this. Of course I really don’t feel snob and I don’t want this expression. And it’s my SP that tenses the muscles on my face and makes me this bad joke. I think I’ll have to regularly check my facial expression. DAvide What about trying to smile more often?  That would be easier than trying

to

keep your face neutral. Grachman, The

Eek!  Smiling more is a difficult one for me – I try sometimes, but I’m better off with a Mona Lisa.  Sometimes I attribute it to playing French Horn for so many years – the "embouchure" used for brass instruments has affected my smiling muscles! More likely it is a result of having somewhat buck teeth! -ajiko – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Upper lip ? I’ll explain. Sometimes I catch myself with a particular tension on my face. I realize when I release a certain muscle on my face. This muscle was tense without my control and when I realize it I can realxe this muscle. Now, I’ll try to explain which muscle is. Imagine an expression of disgust. You will have just one side on your upper lip slightly lift up. Sometimes this tension is so light that the lip is not really lift. Anyway people see it and they are obviously not attracted by this expression. It like a snob expression. I feel really embarassed to have discovered this. Of course I really don’t feel snob and I don’t want this expression. And it’s my SP that tenses the muscles on my face and makes me this bad joke. I think I’ll have to regularly check my facial expression. DAvide

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– Newsgroups: alt.yoga Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 8:09 AM For the perspective of one who is currently practising Kundalini yoga – I think Hari Har Singh might have something to add to this discussion? HHS – [...] thanks and best wishes, tc, aka "sat ram singh" Dear TC, yes – I’m reading this thread and find it somewhat difficult to participate in it. (without beeing seen as a "member of the cult defending his master …. " etc.) But your posting is a good stepping stone to me – merci!  [...] I’m sorry but these newsgroups doesn’t seem work properly: i.e. I can’t see the original message from TC (and from nobody else: I’ve only got the one from HHS…). I can understand, that a Yoga that’s thaught that exclusively only from the Master to one single student at an time, without any written records, without any "public teaching" – a secret science – can have problems to "proof" the lineage of teachers that taught it. Before Yogi Bhajan Kundalini Yoga never was thaught in public. Even not in India. This can be a story invented by Yogi Bhajan to camouflage him beeing the one who invented all this stuff – but this also can be true. Who knows? I hope that Yogi Bhajan didn’t invent all this stuff from zero (I don’t think)! Anyway, I’d like to hear of teachings from different sources. For instance, I want to see if fundametal meditations and kryas, at least, are taught in the same way (or if different versions complete each other…). If a science is given from a master to a _single_ student at a time, in thousands of years it should be estinct… So, is Yogi Bhajan the only one who teachs kundalini yoga in the "west"? Stefano

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For the perspective of one who is currently practising Kundalini yoga – I think Hari Har Singh might have something to add to this discussion? HHS – if you are reading – what do you know about where Yogiji’s version of Kundalini Yoga came from, his teachers, etc? thanks and best wishes, tc, aka "sat ram singh"

Dear TC, yes – I’m reading this thread and find it somewhat difficult to participate in it. (without beeing seen as a "member of the cult defending his master …. " etc.) But your posting is a good stepping stone to me – merci! First to your question: I think I don’t know much about where Kundalini Yoga does come from, Yogi Ji’s teacher was a guy called …. ups – I forgot the name … ( had it in mind this afternoon – but now it’s gone!) sorry But there is also a picture of him going around and Yogi Ji told a view storys of how he teached him Kundalini Yoga. He also tells, that Kundalini Yoga was a secret science that was only taught directly from the master to the single student and that wasn’t taught publicly and especially not to "non-believers" like ppl from the west who was and by some indian Yogis still are seen as impure, not worth to recieve this ancient techniques. He also told that he often was attacked by indian Yogis and fundamentalists for teaching this in the west – and this seems to be not only verbal attacks, because he still needs body-guards and he never enters a car that has not an allready running engine (that’s what I once heard from the security stuff ppl when he visited germany). Yogi Bhajan also reported that he has been in several Hatha Yoga Ashrams, his father was an Ayurveda doctor, and he worked a long time (15 years?) at the golden temple (washing the floor etc.) … and this time of service at the golden temple seems to be to him the main enlightening experience he had. So, TC – I don’t know if this is what you also knew about Yogi Ji – but that’s what I have heard, read etc. I can understand, that a Yoga that’s thaught that exclusively only from the Master to one single student at an time, without any written records, without any "public teaching" – a secret science – can have problems to "proof" the lineage of teachers that taught it. Before Yogi Bhajan Kundalini Yoga never was thaught in public. Even not in India. This can be a story invented by Yogi Bhajan to camouflage him beeing the one who invented all this stuff – but this also can be true. Who knows? He’s an mystic – and that means also that he can’t be explained totally. What I see is that this Yoga "works" for many ppl. I know, that it’s not "perfect" in some cases and, TC, since the 70’s they have been working a lot in 3HO to develope an standard for the teacher training programm. Especially 3HO germany developed an  teacher training programm that’s 3 years long devided in 3 parts: "instructor" "practitioner" and "teacher" – also based on the needs to have Kundalini Yoga be acknowledged by the public health insurences in germany as preventive health classes – what have meant in the 80’s and early 90’s that 50% of the classes fee has been paid by your insurance – there have been the need to offer an good and complete teacher training programm in order for the Yoga teacher to be acknowledged by the german health insurances as professional health teacher. Now the insurances don’t pay any Yoga classes anymore (regardless what style it is) … but the standards of teacher training have become throughout europe and finally also in the USA the main standard for 3HO teacher training. What I find we are still lacking is the accuracy of the description and teaching of the asanas. I can see this – that ppl who have an additional Hatha- or Iyengar – Yoga teacher training are indeed in an better position to teach the asanas correct and – very important – to give additional hints for ppl with certain problems – especially joints and spine problems. Some of my KY-teaching friends do have an additional Yjengar- or Hatha-Yoga teacher training. The main Kundalini Yoga teacher trainer of the United States once told me that he has 4 master degrees in Hatha Yoga – so this can bee a hint for other KY – teacher to also learn other paths too to participate from their special knowledge. Regarding the cult discussion: thank you TC for your posting. It was allways my impression too that the door indeed swungs to both sides. If it wouldn’t have been this way I immeditaly would have left this club. I’m very sensitive about this. I never was pushed in any way to participate in an gurdwara, sadhana, etc. – it was allways up to my decission, my free will. I guess I just went in the last 11 years 2 times to an gurdwara and maybe 5 times to sadhana  … I never lived in an ashram, nor did I wear an turban (except for white tantric . Most of the 3HO Kundalini Yoga teachers in Germany are not Sikhs. "Usual" ppl with normal jobs that maybe have 2 – 3 classes a week. We have now about 400 teachers here in germany (not much for 80 million ppl living in this country . I’m now doing for 3 years an training to become an Gestalt- psychotherapist and find myself also looking for other paths, a time of new directions in my life. Psychotherapy is such a fantastic tool! I don’t see the Yoga as the only force in my life. I think you gave a good hint: if this Yoga works for you, why not follow it? Regarding the ppl in the organisation:

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See http://www2.bc.edu/~clooney/comparative.html

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Greetings, Yes they learn fast (picture). Notice no desert now a forest. Notice the flight of steps.Notice the tree. Notice the two birds (color & activity).Notice they say christ here not jesus). Notice he’s in the wrong posture for immortlity or advanced stuff a novice. That ground (only) should be stone and then in the air right boys he’s in a bad spot this trip.. He’s probably checking to find his mate (chic’s). Another sectarian view. Comparative stuff human growth and development. JD

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Notice their closed in that Christ babydoll drawing. How knows what happens when thier closed yogi’s. in that state ? JD

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Hello, That painting can be referred to, I suppose, as human growth and development; however I have a copy of the same picture on my altar.  I obtained the same from the Vendanta Society of Southern California. Like all art, the interpretation is to the beholder.  For me, this painting of Christ reminds me not to limit my appreciation of the Christ-consciousness which I’m told pervades this "garden universe." Also, there is a growing belief that Jesus the Christ visted, lived in and taught India and Tibet during those "missing years."  It is well known that there is proof of his visiting, both in Tibet and India. However, I think it’s a somewhat playful image.  Like St. Francis, close to the earth, animals, birds.  Maybe it can serve to bring Him out of the sanctuaries and churchs, back into nature. Just my thoughts/ * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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Mystery; Gee we have come along way since *anathema. The presentaton of other dieties into the activities of man we have birds with christ representing human activities. LOOK IT UP. Its very possible that the entire mystery story is just over growen lost to the mass’s. Maybe its time to list every knowen person and compare take inventory again to see how to reach adulthood what is human growth and development these days. Call an audit. Its been a few generations. Anybody can raise thier kid/child anyway they want and do just that but with mystery thier are definable rules. West and east seperated cause of this barbaric method crossing men with animals values. You dont start at the beginning (ethic’s). NON MYSTERY; Now yoga is cut and dry. Your bodies, sheaths, orbs, states, limbs (8),exercises periods of human growth, siddha’s. etc. nothing is impossible. I am suppose to fix the animal in case of it’s injury otherwise bye animal i am busy.(Detachment).This leads away from animal behaviour into paradise. LOOK IT UP. Example: fresh water,veggie diet,light restful sleep exercise,one blanket,easy study,trade by 14,samadhi mid thirties,check for mate life after life progression. JD *Sorry when in rome do as the romans do.

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Welcome to the Best Books on Yoga list v. 1.00 This list was compiled for you to help take the punishment out of you finding the best books on Yoga. We have gathered the best books here for you to check out: 1. Ananda Yoga for Higher Awareness By Swami Kriyananda Check it out at: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1565890787/bboslist Price: $9.95 Book Description This unique book teaches hatha yoga as it was originally intended: as a way to uplift your consciousness and aid your spiritual development. Kriyananda’s inspiring affirmations and clearly written instructions show you how to attune yourself to the consciousness of each pose, so that each yoga posture becomes a doorway to life-affirming attitudes, clarity of understanding, and an increasingly centred and uplifted awareness. About the Author Kriyananda is best known for the founding of one of the world’s most successful intentional communities–Ananda World Brotherhood Village, near Nevada City, California, where the principles of yoga guide the lives of its members. Swami Kriyananda is the founder of the Ananda Yoga for Higher Awareness system. Kriyananda was often asked to demonstrate the yoga postures for his guru, Paramhansa Yogananda, (author of Autobiography of a Yogi) in the late 40’s while Yogananda was alive. A reader from St. Louis, Missouri, USA said: This is an excellent book for getting you started on yoga postures. Kriyananda has chosen central postures and explains the most effective order for doing them. Most of all, he explains the deeper purpose of yoga postures: to uplift the consciousness. I discovered that while toning my body, I could also tone my mind. Recently I was reading another book on yoga postures, which contained many more poses. I found myself getting increasingly confused. Where should I start? What should I do first. Kriyananda gives you a clear introduction on how to begin and where to go from there 2. Back Care Basics : A Doctor’s Gentle Yoga Program for Back and Neck Pain Relief by Mary Pullig Schatz, William Connor, B. K. S. Iyengar (Foreword) Check it out at: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0962713821/bboslist Book Review Back Care Basics: A Doctor’s Gentle Yoga Program For Back And Neck Pain Relief offers a gentle and effective approach to back rehabilitation without drugs or surgery. Using the therapeutic techniques of Iyengar style yoga, Dr. Mary Schatz’s program encourages both positive health practices and a positive outlook. Readers will learn simple and practical ways to heal their back, restructure their bodies, and cope with stress. Readers will become more sensitive to early warning signs of an impending "back attack" and learn what to do to ward it off. Readers will learn how their daily activities may be hurting their back and how to modify them to prevent pain and injury. Back Care Basics is "must" reading for anyone with chronic back pain, and an invaluable (and popular) addition to any community library collection. Synopsis Using the therapeutic techniques of Iyengar-style yoga, Dr. Schatz demonstrates how to deal with periods of acute discomfort, how to rebuild the body to prevent recurrences, and how to move on to a full and nourishing yoga practice. 200 photos & illustrations A fellow yoga author writes: I have been teaching yoga to people of all ages for over 25 years. One of the most common reasons people begin a yoga class is to get rid of their aches and pains. I can say with complete confidence that of all the books I’ve read on therapeutic exercise for back and neck pain relief, Dr. Schatz book offers by far the most effective, individualized approach to a healthy back.  Back Care Basics goes beyond generic exercises and takes into account each person’s special circumstances. It is a lifesaver for people caught in the viscous cycle of pain and fear. I have referred to it countless times creating yoga based exercise programs for people in chronic pain. In fact, almost my entire copy is highlighted or underlined! If you or someone you love is suffering from back or neck pain, I encourage you to educate yourself by reading this book. I also hope that other health professionals working with people with back problems will read this book and leave it in their waiting room. Chiropractors tell me that patients who are practising yoga rarely have acute back pain and their adjustments hold longer. People with back and neck problems benefit more from other therapies if they practice the gentle yoga program taught in Back Care Basics. 3. Beat Fatigue With Yoga : A Step-By-Step Guide by Fiona Agombar, Howard Kent Price: $8.76 Check it out at: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1862043256/bboslist An excited reader from United States says: I have found this book to not only answer my questions about what may cause my fatigue but it also is an excellent introductory book for someone who is wanting to begin Yoga. I have found ways to deal with my fatigue through non-yoga and yoga methods. I recommend this book to anyone who is dealing with stress, fatigue or who is just interested in learning about Yoga. A reader who was too tired, and can now cope says: I read this book in the UK and I thought it would be just like the rest. Not so! Basically, like all the megastars, I thought aerobics would be the cure. But I now spend my relaxation time with my friends practising Yoga. Fiona is right in this book…This enhances your pleasure. Other exercise wears out an already exhausted body! Well done Fiona. I now have energy!!!! 4. Beyond Power Yoga: 8 Levels of Practice for Body and Soul by Beryl Bender Birch Price: $12.80 Check it out at: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684855267/bboslist Amazon.com says: Yoga poses, or asanas, are just part of a traditional yoga practice, although this fact has largely been overlooked by the masses who’ve taken up yoga in the past several years. In astanga yoga, for example, there are eight branches, or "limbs," of yoga that each correspond to a body chakra, or energy center, which combine physical and spiritual activities to balance the energy of the body and mind. (The third limb encompasses the asanas familiar to most yoga students; the other limbs include pranayama, or mindful breathing; dharana, or concentration; dhyana, meditation; and samadhi, living joyfully.) Learning about the eight limbs in Beyond Power Yoga, Beryl Bender Birch’s follow-up to her 1995 bestseller, Power Yoga, could have been a dry and almost scholarly project, but rather is thankfully as rejuvenating as a Hawaiian yoga retreat. Birch’s writing style is at once confident and soothing, and often humorous. A prime example is her explanation of the yoga concept of dharma (if you follow your dharma, you’re following your universal path, or calling). Birch was newly married and mourning the passing of her dog. She was "just looking" at the pound for a Siberian husky and saw "in the flesh, the very dog I had been ’seeing’ and searching for–thoroughly gorgeous, completely show quality, perfect markings, fit, strong, outgoing and very friendly, but totally wild. The dog came bounding over to me and jumped into my arms, all fifty pounds of him. There was no question God wanted me to have this dog." There was also an older, matted, underweight, crabby husky there too, which she couldn’t bear to leave. So she bought both of them from the pound for $17.43, but then spent $400 at the veterinarian to have them dewormed and immunized. She and her husband needed that money for rent, and he lambasted her for her irresponsibility. The day their rent was due, they received a $400 gift from a former student, thanking the Birches for ridding him of his back pain. 5. The American Yoga Association Wellness Book by Alice Christensen Price: $15.16 Check it out at: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1575660253/bboslist Synopsis 1 Designed for yoga practitioners at any level, an informative guide offers step-by-step yoga instruction, from beginner thirty-minute routines through individualized and advanced programs, and offers supplemental advice about a variety of health conditions. Original. Synopsis 2 The founder of the American Yoga Association presents an indispensable book which takes readers step by step from the most basic 30-minutes-a-day routine through individualized programs and advanced techniques tailored to specific needs. Tips are also offered on weight management, enhancing fertility, relieving insomnia, migraines, back pain, and more. 180 photos. 6. Acu-Yoga : Self-Help Techniques to Relieve Tension by Michael Reed Gach, Carolyn Marco (Contributor) Price: $17.60 Check it out at: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/087040489X/bboslist Synopsis Acu-Yoga teaches you about the basics of yoga. It is great for beginners. It easily shows you how to use the energy system in your body to create balance and harmony. It is filled with exercises to keep you actively involved and improve your … read more »

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Old dog: but is also "the only American physician to ever receive a diploma in

yogic education from the government of India."

Yogic education diploma? Issued by a government? Now I am quite sure that is absolute nonsense. Sorry!

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Old dog: Hi. I can’t answer your yoga posture question, but I have some information I think you may be able to use. Try finding the book, "Healing Back Pain Naturally," by Art Brownstein, MD. My wife and I were in vacation in Hawaii last week, and had to find a doctor since she got sick.  We happened to walk into his clinic. We were so impressed we bought his book in the next store we entered (–even though neither of us have any back pain… looking for more of his perspectives on healing, etc.).  He is an MD, served in the Air Force, is a decorated flight surgeon (medals on the walls), but is also "the only American physician to ever receive a diploma in yogic education from the government of India." From the book cover back flap: "Dr. Art Brownstein’s ordeal with back pain began when he was a student in the stressful environment of medical school.  The problem worsened and plunged him into crisis years later when serving as an Air Force flight surgeon.  Doctors rushed him into surgery for a herniated disc, and afterward he found himself condemned to a life of unrelenting, excruciating pain.  Before long, he was hooked on painkilling drugs, and his life was spiralling out of control. Following his military service, Dr. Brownstein gathered the courage to quit drugs, doctors, and surgeons and take charge of his own healing process.  He then embarked on a seven-year odyssey that took him half-way aroung the world, from the depths of despair and thoughts of suicide, to full and complete recovery." There are exercises and philosophies throughout.  He calls it the "back to life" program. I haven’t started  the book in earnest yet, but have read Carolyn Myss’ "Anatomy of the Spirit" and am just finishing her "Why People Don’t Heal, and How They Can." These are great books as well which delve into the subject of pain and injury being physical manifestations of spiritual imbalances. I hope it helps.  Good luck. -bob

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Old dog: Hi. I can’t answer your yoga posture question, but I have some information I think you may be able to use. Try finding the book, "Healing Back Pain Naturally," by Art Brownstein, MD. My wife and I were in vacation in Hawaii last week, and had to find a doctor since she got sick.  We happened to walk into his clinic. We were so impressed we bought his book in the next store we entered (–even though neither of us have any back pain… looking for more of his perspectives on healing, etc.).  He is an MD, served in the Air Force, is a decorated flight surgeon (medals on the walls), but is also "the only American physician to ever receive a diploma in yogic education from the government of India." From the book cover back flap: "Dr. Art Brownstein’s ordeal with back pain began when he was a student in the stressful environment of medical school.  The problem worsened and plunged him into crisis years later when serving as an Air Force flight surgeon.  Doctors rushed him into surgery for a herniated disc, and afterward he found himself condemned to a life of unrelenting, excruciating pain.  Before long, he was hooked on painkilling drugs, and his life was spiralling out of control. Following his military service, Dr. Brownstein gathered the courage to quit drugs, doctors, and surgeons and take charge of his own healing process.  He then embarked on a seven-year odyssey that took him half-way aroung the world, from the depths of despair and thoughts of suicide, to full and complete recovery." There are exercises and philosophies throughout.  He calls it the "back to life" program. I haven’t started  the book in earnest yet, but have read Carolyn Myss’ "Anatomy of the Spirit" and am just finishing her "Why People Don’t Heal, and How They Can." These are great books as well which delve into the subject of pain and injury being physical manifestations of spiritual imbalances. I hope it helps.  Good luck. -bob

Merci. — Each man can interpret another’s experience only by his own. –Henry David Thoreau//////Question of the day. ??????? Before you buy.

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Well as if you didn’t know that already !! Well heres the deal I would dearly like to get back into doing some working out or just plain exercise, but since this whole anxiety/panic thing has been happening I just can’t do any. For the first six months of anxiety/panic it was heavily centred around me having problems with my heart, or rather I should say me believing I had problems with my heart.  I have had 2 ECG a chest X-Ray and I got upto my Max Heart rate in 16 minutes on a hospital stress test treadmill and they said I don’t have problem ! although I still have a lingering paranoia about it. Now my problem is that any form of exercise has the potential to bring on a panic attack even climbing 2 or 3 flights of stairs, I seem to have learned to automatically monitor my heart/breathing rate and if I detect an increase then BANG panic mode clicks in. I used to do a lot of weight and aerobic gym workouts only 3 years ago and I long to return to this but I am so scared of having a full scale panic attack or even worse an Heart/angina attack (although I have been told I’m fine:-) in the middle of Gym that I just can’t bring myself to try !! Common people I need help/suggestions as my logical side of my brain KNOWS it will help in the end but as usual my Anxiety side wins again  :-) Pa

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well as if you didn’t know that already !! Well heres the deal I would dearly like to get back into doing some working out or just plain exercise, but since this whole anxiety/panic thing has been happening I just can’t do any. For the first six months of anxiety/panic it was heavily centred around me having problems with my heart, or rather I should say me believing I had problems with my heart.  I have had 2 ECG a chest X-Ray and I got upto my Max Heart rate in 16 minutes on a hospital stress test treadmill and they said I don’t have problem ! although I still have a lingering paranoia about it. Now my problem is that any form of exercise has the potential to bring on a panic attack even climbing 2 or 3 flights of stairs, I seem to have learned to automatically monitor my heart/breathing rate and if I detect an increase then BANG panic mode clicks in. I used to do a lot of weight and aerobic gym workouts only 3 years ago and I long to return to this but I am so scared of having a full scale panic attack or even worse an Heart/angina attack (although I have been told I’m fine:-) in the middle of Gym that I just can’t bring myself to try !! Common people I need help/suggestions as my logical side of my brain KNOWS it will help in the end but as usual my Anxiety side wins again  :-) Pa

Hi Pa — Please don’t take this as being a flippant response to your post.  But one thing that comes to my mind is trying something like yoga.  I don’t have the same problems you experience, but others have posted here about similar experiences as you describe.  Just an idea. I hope someone else who can relate a little better will have some other ideas for you! Best Wishes — Blue (favourite yoga posture:  Dead Man’s Pose…;))

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well as if you didn’t know that already !! Well heres the deal I would dearly like to get back into doing some working out or just plain exercise, but since this whole anxiety/panic thing has been happening I just can’t do any. For the first six months of anxiety/panic it was heavily centred around me having problems with my heart, or rather I should say me believing I had problems with my heart.  I have had 2 ECG a chest X-Ray and I got upto my Max Heart rate in 16 minutes on a hospital stress test treadmill and they said I don’t have problem ! although I still have a lingering paranoia about it. Now my problem is that any form of exercise has the potential to bring on a panic attack even climbing 2 or 3 flights of stairs, I seem to have learned to automatically monitor my heart/breathing rate and if I detect an increase then BANG panic mode clicks in. I used to do a lot of weight and aerobic gym workouts only 3 years ago and I long to return to this but I am so scared of having a full scale panic attack or even worse an Heart/angina attack (although I have been told I’m fine:-) in the middle of Gym that I just can’t bring myself to try !! Common people I need help/suggestions as my logical side of my brain KNOWS it will help in the end but as usual my Anxiety side wins again Pa Hi Pa — Please don’t take this as being a flippant response to your post. But one thing that comes to my mind is trying something like yoga.  I don’t have the same problems you experience, but others have posted here about similar experiences as you describe.  Just an idea. I hope someone else who can relate a little better will have some other ideas for you! Best Wishes — Blue (favourite yoga posture:  Dead Man’s Pose…;))

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   Hi Pa,         We all could use some couldn’t we  Have you considered trying some yoga.  It’s very stress-free and might help get you back into the exercise mode.   And maybe going for a slow-paced walk. Take Care,  Debby

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well as if you didn’t know that already !! Well heres the deal I would dearly like to get back into doing some working out or just plain exercise, but since this whole anxiety/panic thing has been happening I just can’t do any. For the first six months of anxiety/panic it was heavily centred around me having problems with my heart, or rather I should say me believing I had problems with my heart.  I have had 2 ECG a chest X-Ray and I got upto my Max Heart rate in 16 minutes on a hospital stress test treadmill and they said I don’t have problem ! although I still have a lingering paranoia about it. Now my problem is that any form of exercise has the potential to bring on a panic attack even climbing 2 or 3 flights of stairs, I seem to have learned to automatically monitor my heart/breathing rate and if I detect an increase then BANG panic mode clicks in. I used to do a lot of weight and aerobic gym workouts only 3 years ago and I long to return to this but I am so scared of having a full scale panic attack or even worse an Heart/angina attack (although I have been told I’m fine:-) in the middle of Gym that I just can’t bring myself to try !! Common people I need help/suggestions as my logical side of my brain KNOWS it will help in the end but as usual my Anxiety side wins again  :-) Pa

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I’ve noticed the outer edge of both soles (the black part) tend to wear out much faster than the inner edges. The shoe is New balance 998 (whats the upgraded version called ?) and I am otherwise quite pleased with it.  Does the wear pattern indicate something wrong in my running style ? My shoe size is 10, normal width.  Sriram

Sriram, When you say outer edge of both soles, do you mean the entire outer edge from the front by the little toe to the back out edge of the heel?   Or do you mean the outer edge of both heels at the back of the shoe- emphasis on outer edge of heel? Catch yourself standing in the morning and see how your feet line up. Are the / that is somewhat splayed.  or are they || – straight ahead.  or are they slightly toed in /? With only socks on or barefoot, raise yourself on the balls of your feet. Notice what happens as you raise onto the balls and stand there for 15 or 30 seconds.  Is the tendency to  roll more to the outside of your feet toward the little toe?  Does more of your weight rest on the big toe and 2nd and 3rd toes?  Or do your ankles collapse inward? Walk on a wet surface and then walk over some dry ground so that you can see your foot prints?  What do they look like?  What parts of the bottoms of your feet touch the ground and leave their print? Let us know what you see, and maybe some of the people here can give you an answer that makes a little more sense. — In health and on the run, Ozzie Gontang Maintainer – rec.running FAQ Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic, est. 1975 Mindful Running   http://www.mindfulness.com

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: : I’ve noticed the outer edge of both soles (the black part) tend : to wear out much faster than the inner edges. The shoe is : New balance 998 (whats the upgraded version called ?) and I : am otherwise quite pleased with it.  Does the wear pattern indicate : something wrong in my running style ? My shoe size is 10, normal : width. : You wear pattern merely denotes what’s  called supination. It suggests : that you have high arches, maybe but necessarily, some bowleggedness. : This pattern does not indicate anything to do with running style, : at least not in the sense of number of steps or form per se. : There is nothing you can change, or should change for that mater. my feet are not flat but no where near being high arched; apparently there is a little bowleggedness (something I was not aware of till now). So this somehow has the net effect of putting more impact on the outer edges ? :   : What is suggested for your foot shape, to protect from injury, is : a cushioned shoe to allow as much flexibility as possible. The 998 are : a stability show, and as the name term implies, adds some rigidness. With the previous shoes, there was a tendency for my ankles to collapse (and if I was unlucky twist it) when I wasn’t concentrating. With the 998, this hasn’t occurred. So flexibility may be a minus in my case. : What does this all mean – nothing.  If those shoes are working for you : and you have not problems, continue to wear them. If on the other : hand, you do start to have some problems you might want to re-visit : a more cushioned shoe.   More cushioned ?? My 998 (though badly in need of replacement) has enough cushion. I suppose extremely highly cushioned shoes are the equivalent of luxury cars that dont give one a feel for the road ! At the moment I am considering the expensive 1700GR as it has "carbon sole" for greater resistance to wear; or is this just marketing spin and I am better off with a cheaper shoe ? I like to use shoes as long as is feasible as I get used to them. btw, what is the expected life of (normal) running shoes for a 165 lb person doing 25 miles a week on road ? What is the right time for replacing shoes (before the shoes starts coming apart?). Thanks for the insights.  The terms "pronation" and "supination" appear to be popular here (and in shoe manufacturer’s catalogs); is there a link that explains these terms well ? Sriram

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<<I’ve noticed the outer edge of both soles (the black part) tend to wear out much faster than the inner edges… I think most abnormal wear patterns are due to muscle imbalance. For example, excess psoas inhibition (the opposite of tightness) may cause the feet (leg) to rotate out too much, causing your shoe to wear more further out (lateral) from the heel. This may also cause secondary excess pronation. Then again, wearing common training shoes forces you to land on your heel – an unnatural process to start with. Phil Maffetone

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my feet are not flat but no where near being high arched; apparently there is a little bowleggedness (something I was not aware of till now). So this somehow has the net effect of putting more impact on the outer edges ?

I was waiting for the answer to Ozzie’s inquiry as the extent of wear of the outside, i.e. just the heel or all the way down the outer edge. This pattern is called supination. Again, not a problem but merely a fact of wear.  Noting that you don’t have wear on your heals show’s you not a heel striker(good and I yield to Ozzie for the form discussion). With the previous shoes, there was a tendency for my ankles to collapse (and if I was unlucky twist it) when I wasn’t concentrating. With the 998, this hasn’t occurred. So flexibility may be a minus in my case.

The answer lies in the degree of supination. If the supination is very severe then likeliness for the foot to roll inward may be nil and a soft shoe will not help. On the other hand if you foot is trying roll inward and you put on firm shoe, will prevent any the inward roll. In an exaggeration, think of the stability show as a 2×4 board with you foot trying to roll inward. More cushioned ?? My 998 (though badly in need of replacement) has enough cushion. I suppose extremely highly cushioned shoes are the equivalent of luxury cars that dont give one a feel for the road !

Sorry but not a good analogy. Feel is an elusive term that your feet/knees/etc may or may not like. The general guidelines are, if you overpronate(roll in) a motion/stability shoe, if neutral then you can get by with anything, if supination then use cushioned shoe to allow some roll inward. If you are not having any problems then you can wear any shoe you like. You can also try barefoot an rely on mother nature.   Thanks for the insights.  The terms "pronation" and "supination" appear to be popular here (and in shoe manufacturer’s catalogs); is there a link that explains these terms well ?

http://www.runnersworld.com/shoes/chooser.html http://www.runnersworld.com/injuries/supin.html http://www.clark.net/pub/pribut/spgait.html — Caveat Lector!

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: When you say outer edge of both soles, do you mean the entire outer edge : from the front by the little toe to the back out edge of the heel?   Or do : you mean the outer edge of both heels at the back of the shoe- emphasis on : outer edge of heel? The back of the heels (on the sole) have no wear at all ! The wear starts about an inch and a half or more from the centre of the back and lasts for about 2/3rds the length of the shoe (well before the little toe). Its not merely the outer edge but also that half of the shoes; the wear is more noticeable the closer one gets to the edge. The start point of the wear is about half an inch before the absorb logo on the side of the 998. This pattern is symmetrical; for the left shoe the wear is on the left, for the right shoe, it is on the right. : Catch yourself standing in the morning and see how your feet line up. : Are the / that is somewhat splayed.  or are they || – straight ahead.  or : are they slightly toed in /? The first one The / pattern; My knees dont touch even when my feet are together (there is a finger or two gap between the sides of the legs at the knee level). : With only socks on or barefoot, raise yourself on the balls of your feet. : Notice what happens as you raise onto the balls and stand there for 15 or : 30 seconds.  Is the tendency to  roll more to the outside of your feet : toward the little toe?  Does more of your weight rest on the big toe and : 2nd and 3rd toes?  Or do your ankles collapse inward May not be a good test as this is part of a yoga posture (tree pose).. in any case, most of the weight is on the big toes (& 2/3) and the little toes are merely supporters. my ankles are ok. : Walk on a wet surface and then walk over some dry ground so that you can : see your foot prints?  What do they look like?  What parts of the bottoms : of your feet touch the ground and leave their print? The outer edges are very clear, as are the toes; on the inner edges, there is a pretty sharp turn inwards (where the arches are), so the print is narrow here (finally recovers width before the toes). Sriram

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I’ve noticed the outer edge of both soles (the black part) tend to wear out much faster than the inner edges. The shoe is New balance 998 (whats the upgraded version called ?) and I am otherwise quite pleased with it.  Does the wear pattern indicate something wrong in my running style ? My shoe size is 10, normal width. Sriram

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I’ve noticed the outer edge of both soles (the black part) tend to wear out much faster than the inner edges. The shoe is New balance 998 (whats the upgraded version called ?) and I am otherwise quite pleased with it.  Does the wear pattern indicate something wrong in my running style ? My shoe size is 10, normal width.

You wear pattern merely denotes what’s  called supination. It suggests that you have high arches, maybe but necessarily, some bowleggedness. This pattern does not indicate anything to do with running style, at least not in the sense of number of steps or form per se. There is nothing you can change, or should change for that mater. What is suggested for your foot shape, to protect from injury, is a cushioned shoe to allow as much flexibility as possible. The 998 are a stability show, and as the name term implies, adds some rigidness. What does this all mean – nothing.  If those shoes are working for you and you have not problems, continue to wear them. If on the other hand, you do start to have some problems you might want to re-visit a more cushioned shoe.   As for form, I’d take a look at web page: http://www.cermav.cnrs.fr/home_pages/lakin/run_form.html for a great discussion. — Caveat Lector!

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