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I went to a chiro shortly after my T started and 3 days later IT WAS GONE.  unfortunately it came back but there is definitely a connection here – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Gary Mitchell" <g…@powerup.com.au

wrote: My T started 6 HOURS !!!!  after going to my Chiro for a neck adjustment. It is still with me after 2 years despite remedial treatments. Beware –  treat with caution. Gary Jill Eshenbaugh <jeshe…@telebyte.net wrote in message news:8c7uu4$8gr$1@brokaw.wa.com… I’ve been having back problems so went to my  chiropractor who not only adjusted my back but did my neck too.   He said my neck muscles were in spasm and did whatever he did.  I noticed the next day that my T wasn’t quite as loud so when I went back to him I mentioned that.  He agree that was entirely possible because all the neck muscles and nerves are entertwined and go to the ear.  It won’t cure the T but if you have back problems, it  could be making it worse so try your chiropractor. Jill

            Tinnitus is a pain in the neck Elly’s Tinnitus Snippets http://www.acay.com.au/~ebyrne http://www.alexandertechnique.com For email remove ’spam’ from spamacay

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I’ve been having back problems so went to my  chiropractor who not only adjusted my back but did my neck too.   He said my neck muscles were in spasm and did whatever he did.  I noticed the next day that my T wasn’t quite as loud so when I went back to him I mentioned that.  He agree that was entirely possible because all the neck muscles and nerves are entertwined and go to the ear.  It won’t cure the T but if you have back problems, it  could be making it worse so try your chiropractor. Jill

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My T started 6 HOURS !!!!  after going to my Chiro for a neck adjustment. It is still with me after 2 years despite remedial treatments. Beware –  treat with caution. Gary Jill Eshenbaugh <jeshe…@telebyte.net

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I’ve been having back problems so went to my  chiropractor who not only adjusted my back but did my neck too.   He said my neck muscles were in spasm and did whatever he did.  I noticed the next day that my T wasn’t quite as loud so when I went back to him I mentioned that.  He agree that was entirely possible because all the neck muscles and nerves are entertwined and go to the ear.  It won’t cure the T but if you have back problems, it  could be making it worse so try your chiropractor. Jill

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Your chiropractor clearly demonstrated ignorance of anatomy and physiology by saying "all the neck muscles and nerves are entertwined and go to the ear." Anyone who calls themselves a healthcare practioner should not treat patients based on such complete and utter nonsense.  The nerves that travel from your ear to your brain never leave your head and certainly do not enter your neck.  Most likely some muscular tension was relieved reducing your stress level, which helped alleviate the perception of your tinnitus.  Keep in mind that neck manipulation is a dangerous technique with no proven efficacy whatsoever.  There is risk of tearing vertebral and carotid arteries and damaging vertebral bodies of the spine.  In fact it is much more likely that tinnitus would be created or worsened by neck manipulation.  I suggest next time you go for a massage instead, it will likely have the same stress reducing result with less risk. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

I’ve been having back problems so went to my  chiropractor who not only adjusted my back but did my neck too.   He said my neck muscles were in spasm and did whatever he did.  I noticed the next day that my T wasn’t quite as loud so when I went back to him I mentioned that.  He agree that was entirely possible because all the neck muscles and nerves are entertwined and go to the ear.  It won’t cure the T but if you have back problems, it  could be making it worse so try your chiropractor. Jill

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There are instances of this, certainly, and also instances where people unwittingly injure themselves via mechanical mis-manipulations. I am thinking of the person who came to my clinic who developed tinnitus after assuming a yoga position where the heels go up over the head and the neck is really bent…and she felt and heard a change in the spine/back of the head area, and on come the head noise. I also recall the hair dressers who inadvertendly caused a stroke in their patrons by tipping the head back into the basin to wash the hair.  This can put pressure on the cervical arteries and can cause real problems in a certain percentage of people. Even a good chiropractor can create a situation on accident although it must be quite rare. Marsha Johnson, M.S., CCC-A, FAAA Clinic Director/Audiologist, TRTA Member since 1997 Oregon Tinnitus & Hyperacusis Treatment Center (503) 233-5925 -clinic (9-5 PM), (503) 203 5858 voicemail (24 hours) www.tinnitus-audiology.com

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I am thinking of the person who came to my clinic who developed tinnitus after assuming a yoga position where the heels go up over the head and the neck is really bent..

I do this position regularly (gulp).  Just FYI, my yoga book actually has a section on treating tinnitus with specific postures!

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   This can happen even with things you do yourself.  I have long hair and sometimes i will turn my neck quickly to flip it out of my face. Last week I did this when i woke up and it didnt feel good,  I thought for a bit that I did permenet damage to my neck.  The pain went away after a few days but the T in my left ear has gotten louder.   Ive had T for quite a few years caused, I think, by my love for loud music.  I have a slight hearing loss in my right ear, and use my left for phone use. What really seem strange is that in my left ear my hearing seems better than good, I can sometimes hear things before my dogs do.       When i was young n stupid, I stuck a raido antenna in my left ear cuse it was iching and perferated the drum.  I dont remember any problems with T then, but, my memory is not very good either.  Along with T, I have a severe devated septum and can sometimes breath with the left nostril, and only if i pull my right cheek back can I breath in the right.     I know this has nothing to do with anything, but sometimes ya just feel like talking.   On Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:54:29 +1000, "Gary Mitchell" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<g…@powerup.com.au

wrote: My T started 6 HOURS !!!!  after going to my Chiro for a neck adjustment. It is still with me after 2 years despite remedial treatments. Beware –  treat with caution. Gary Jill Eshenbaugh <jeshe…@telebyte.net wrote in message news:8c7uu4$8gr$1@brokaw.wa.com… I’ve been having back problems so went to my  chiropractor who not only adjusted my back but did my neck too.   He said my neck muscles were in spasm and did whatever he did.  I noticed the next day that my T wasn’t quite as loud so when I went back to him I mentioned that.  He agree that was entirely possible because all the neck muscles and nerves are entertwined and go to the ear.  It won’t cure the T but if you have back problems, it  could be making it worse so try your chiropractor. Jill

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One of my spies swears this story is true. The Worst Date Ever  THIS IS A TRUE STORY AND A GOOD LAUGH…  This guy lives in Westchester, NY and goes to school  at IthacaCollege.  For two years, he has wanted to ask certain girl (who is also from  Westchester and also goes to Ithaca) out on a date, but has never had the courage.  Finally, one day over the summer, he sees her at home and musters up the courage to ask her out. She accepts, and they make dinner plans for Saturday night.  Friday night, this guy goes out with all of his buddies, and  drinks like Prohibition is coming back.  Saturday, he is in such bad shape that he can’t make it through twenty minutes without either throwing up or using the bathroom.  After several hours of this, he is able to stop throwing up, but he is still running to the toilet every 20 minutes. He doesn’t want to cancel the date, because he’s afraid he won’t ever talk to her again.  So they meet in Westchester, and take the train to New York City (about a 30 minute ride).  They get to the restaurant, and he excuses himself during the appetizers to use the bathroom.  They enjoy the rest of the appetizers without interruption,  but he has to go back again during the entrees.  They decide to get dessert. During dessert, our hero feels another rumbling, but doesn’t want to look like a complete bathroom freak, so he holds it. After a few minutes, the rumbling subsides, but he still has a bit of gas stored up.  He decides to let this little bit of gas fly right there at the  table(discreetly, of course).  Unfortunately, this little bit of gas came with another little  surprise. "Oh no," he thinks.  Instead of running to the bathroom right away, our hero  immediately leans on the arms of his chair to keep from  sitting on this surprise.  He maintains this yoga position for the rest of dessert,  trying to figure out what to do before his tan pants  (a)start to smell, or (b) start to show stains on the outside.  He quickly pays for dinner and they leave the restaurant.  Oh, by the way, he is walking like a cowboy.  On the way to the train station, they pass the Gap.  "Do you mind if I run in and buy a sweater that I was looking at last week?" he asks.  "No problem, I’d like to look around too," she replies. They go in to the Gap. Fortunately, at the Gap, men’s fashions are on the right, women’s fashions are on the left. They split up.  Our hero grabs the first sweater within reach, and hurries back to the khakis. After selecting a pair that most closely resemble his current outfit, he brings both items to the register.  His eyes are on his date (still on the other side of the store) to make sure that she doesn’t see him buying the pants.  He doesn’t even want the sweater, so he says through  clenched Teeth (just in case his date can read lips from  40 feet away) "Just the pants."  "What?" asks the Gap girl ."Just the pants!"  (Eyes trained on his date.)  Gap girl: "Oh,OK."  He pays for the pants and walks over to his date, then they leave the store.  They board the train just before it leaves the station and find two seats in the middle of the car. Without sitting down, our hero excuses himself and walks to the bathroom in the back of the car.  He gets to the bathroom as the train departs, and quickly rips off his pants and boxer shorts.  He rolls them into a ball and throws them out the window.  After cleaning himself off, he opens the Gap bag and pulls  Just the sweater. SPLAT! SPLAT! ^o^ * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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 This should have been the easiest problem in the world to resolve. He should have gone on the date, but explained that he wasn’t feeling too well. He could continue with explaining that seeing her was important enough for him to get up off his sickbed. Any woman not flattered hearing that he held her in such high regard is not worth his effort.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -One of my spies swears this story is true. The Worst Date Ever THIS IS A TRUE STORY AND A GOOD LAUGH… This guy lives in Westchester, NY and goes to school at IthacaCollege. For two years, he has wanted to ask certain girl (who is also from  Westchester and also goes to Ithaca) out on a date, but has never had the courage. Finally, one day over the summer, he sees her at home and musters up the courage to ask her out. She accepts, and they make dinner plans for Saturday night. Friday night, this guy goes out with all of his buddies, and drinks like Prohibition is coming back. Saturday, he is in such bad shape that he can’t make it through twenty minutes without either throwing up or using the bathroom. After several hours of this, he is able to stop throwing up, but he is still running to the toilet every 20 minutes. He doesn’t want to cancel the date, because he’s afraid he won’t ever talk to her again. So they meet in Westchester, and take the train to New York City (about a 30 minute ride). They get to the restaurant, and he excuses himself during the appetizers to use the bathroom. They enjoy the rest of the appetizers without interruption, but he has to go back again during the entrees. They decide to get dessert. During dessert, our hero feels another rumbling, but doesn’t want to look like a complete bathroom freak, so he holds it. After a few minutes, the rumbling subsides, but he still has a bit of gas stored up. He decides to let this little bit of gas fly right there at the table(discreetly, of course). Unfortunately, this little bit of gas came with another little surprise. "Oh no," he thinks. Instead of running to the bathroom right away, our hero immediately leans on the arms of his chair to keep from sitting on this surprise. He maintains this yoga position for the rest of dessert, trying to figure out what to do before his tan pants (a)start to smell, or (b) start to show stains on the outside. He quickly pays for dinner and they leave the restaurant. Oh, by the way, he is walking like a cowboy. On the way to the train station, they pass the Gap. "Do you mind if I run in and buy a sweater that I was looking at last week?" he asks. "No problem, I’d like to look around too," she replies. They go in to the Gap. Fortunately, at the Gap, men’s fashions are on the right, women’s fashions are on the left. They split up. Our hero grabs the first sweater within reach, and hurries back to the khakis. After selecting a pair that most closely resemble his current outfit, he brings both items to the register. His eyes are on his date (still on the other side of the store) to make sure that she doesn’t see him buying the pants. He doesn’t even want the sweater, so he says through clenched Teeth (just in case his date can read lips from 40 feet away) "Just the pants." "What?" asks the Gap girl ."Just the pants!" (Eyes trained on his date.) Gap girl: "Oh,OK." He pays for the pants and walks over to his date, then they leave the store. They board the train just before it leaves the station and find two seats in the middle of the car. Without sitting down, our hero excuses himself and walks to the bathroom in the back of the car. He gets to the bathroom as the train departs, and quickly rips off his pants and boxer shorts. He rolls them into a ball and throws them out the window. After cleaning himself off, he opens the Gap bag and pulls Just the sweater. SPLAT! SPLAT! ^o^ * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Screaming with laughter!  Oh, I did need this today! What a hoot! Red

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LMAO Hugs and prayers from Di

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I can just imagine the comments of some people as they walked by down wind of this guy.. "Boy that is one sh**y  date"  …  LOL Ronnie

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Well,  I’m back from the RD. We had a long discussion about everything.  He says the muscle spasms are indeed from the FMS.  He didn’t make any changes to my meds and when I pointed out my curvaseous fingers and told him I was NOT going to get in the same condition as my grandmother, he assured me that he would get more aggressive before that could happen.  Talked to him about my TMJ.  The dentist says I need to decide whether I am going to continue with the splint,  go for a smaller version or go for braces (yea right I want braces at my age).  I was concerned that if I spend alot of money to change the bite that arthur would change the joint and mess things up again.  So the RD insisted that I see a specialist who is experienced in the TMJ/arthritis combination.   The kicker is he wants me to take up yoga to get my muscles (esp. in the calves) stretched and loosened up.  Now, ofcourse I got on him for forcing me to go to Borders book store (a real weakness I have).  I got a yoga video and looked at some yoga books and just lost it in the store.  There has never been a time that I could put my body in those positions and he wants me to do it now.  It’s going to be really interesting and quite comical.  Picture me in my mouth splint,  my wrist splint and rice socks with my leg up over my ear.  If I make it I’ll send Krissy the pics for her web page.  If you don’t hear from me for a couple of days,  send help,  I’m prob. stuck in some yoga position. Sarah L

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Picture me in my mouth splint,  my wrist splint and rice socks with my leg up over my ear.  If I make it I’ll send Krissy the pics for her web page.  If you don’t hear from me for a couple of days,  send help,  I’m prob. stuck in some yoga position.

ROFL! YES that is a pic I want!!!!!!! Keep Smilin’ ~krissy "The most thoroughly wasted of all days is that  in which one has not laughed." Nicolas Chamfort

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I’ve heard good things about Pilates too. I learned a little about it when I was a teenager studying dance. Some health clubs offer a full Pilates workout facility with all the apparatus. Pilates stresses stretching and improving range of motion, just like a dancer does in preparation for dancing. Nobody gets bulked up doing Pilates, and that’s probably a good thing for folks with joint disease. Regards, Christine

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just wanted t let everyone know that Richard Simmons also puts out 2 stretching videos as well. although sometimes i am NOT in the mood to be so bubbly as Richard sometimes we all have those days that we need that type of a person to cheer us up. I also have RA & just ordered one of his tapes. when i get it i’ll let you know how it is. I ordered it online through his web site.

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The day  I *need* to hear Richard Simmons is the day I need to be euthanized. <grin Bruce W.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -just wanted t let everyone know that Richard Simmons also puts out 2 stretching videos as well. although sometimes i am NOT in the mood to be so bubbly as Richard sometimes we all have those days that we need that type of a person to cheer us up. I also have RA & just ordered one of his tapes. when i get it i’ll let you know how it is. I ordered it online through his web site.

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too each his own. what works for some people may not be what works for others.

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Picture me in my mouth splint,  my wrist splint and rice socks with my leg up over my ear.  If I make it I’ll send Krissy the pics for her web page.  If you don’t hear from me for a couple of days,  send help,  I’m prob. stuck in some yoga position.

Sarah L., Can’t wait to see that picture!  ; ) Margie

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I got a yoga video and looked at some yoga books and just lost it in the store.  There has never been a time that I could put my body in those positions and he wants me to do it now.  It’s going to be really interesting and quite comical.  Picture me in my mouth splint,  my wrist splint and rice socks with my leg up over my ear.  If I make it I’ll send Krissy the pics for her web page.  If you don’t hear from me for a couple of days,  send help,  I’m prob. stuck in some yoga position. Sarah L

Dear Sarah, as amusing as the picture might be, <g you might want to work "up" to that level.  I understand that there are actually video-s out there specifically for arthritics.  I saw the woman that used to play Julia on "Designing Women" being interviewed recently regarding her video.  She claimed to have RA…but, she was still wearing spike heels <g.  Still, maybe she’s got special designed spike heels? ( Anybody see those in an othotics catalog…LOL.)  Anyhow, she suggested that classic yoga could be adapted for such as us. Another option might be a tai chi course.  It would offer stretching and such. The arthritis society used to offer a video called "the rom dance" that was an adaption of tai chi just for arthritics.  You might check their website. The stretching does actually help with morning stiffness and some ROM.  Hope you can  find something that works for you. Warm regards, Angela "Life’s too mysterious to take it all so serious!"

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Hi Jeannette,  I am concerned about you.  I read your posts and you have a lot of information for a lot of people.     The concern being that you are on these antidepressants.  I have heard that prozac can cause rapid heart beat which in turn makes you feel like you are having a panic attack.  Then increasing the dose makes it only worse.  Have you ever considered a counselor.  It is nothing to be ashamed about.  We all have problems.  I know I was very uneasy about seeing one, even  wore my nurses uniform for visits cause I did not want anyone to know I was there for myself. THat comes from the old ways of thinking you are nuts if you go to one.  LOL Seriously they help you do wonders with time and patience.  It is a learning process and does not disappear the attacks, over night.  But you realize that the panic will not kill you and you manage them. Please check out the prozac because my daughter is a counselor and has seen this first hand.  The rapid heart beat is a side effect.     Need info I can try to help you if you would like. — JANERS

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Hi Jeannette,                        I was wondering how your rd appoint. went… I am glad you have a good doctor. I was lucky to have found a good one too. She is very careing and understanding.  I think she is going to do everything she possilbly can to help me. That is her personality and she hates to see me in pain. She said I was too young to be laying on the couch not being able to move and enjoy my kids. I hope your increase in meds will help you. I just started taking Azulfidine 500 mg 2 x a day for a week then increase to 4 times a day… My predisone was lowered to 5 mg twice a day and she switched my indocin to indocin SR 75… i am also taking Ultram for pain up to 3 times a day if I need to but I am trying to only take it twice…  Well you hang in there and keep us posted on how well your doing …  Katrina

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Hi Dawn: I am on 60 mg. Prozac.  My dr. really does not want to take me off Prozac because it is one of his favorites for treatment.  I think I need to distract myself more and the anxiety will lessen.  Today I am doing pretty good.  One hour at a time you know.  Jeannette – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Jeanette,  I, too, am at 12.5 MTX and haven taken Prozac forever.  WHat dosage of Prozac are you on?  Zoloft did nothing for me, it is like the baby of antidepressants with Prozac being the granddaddy.  I tried Zoloft a few years ago because the Prozac seemed to be not as eeffective as it once was.  At the time I was grieving over the loss of a grandson and did have panic attacks.  To make a long story short I had to go back to Prozac.  This maybe more info than you wanted but  maybe there is another way to go, in the exploration of trying to rid yourself of the panic attacks. Dawn0 Hello friends: I was having another anxiety/panic attack this a.m. thinking about going to my RD who really is the nicest man in the world.  He was so wonderful. First of all, he is increasing my MTX to 12.5 mg. and beginning another know!!!  Regarding the anxiety/panic/depression, he wants me to continue for one more week taking the Prozac and klonopin six/day 2 at a time and 2 at bedtime.  He said if this stuff does not subside in a week, he will switch me to Zoloft or something else.  He feels it is a brain chemical imbalance that is triggering this stuff and wants to get it balanced again since I am so prown to depression anyway.  I have been on Prozac forever.  Anyway, I cried most of the morning before my appt. and then again tonight but somehow it seems to release the anxiety I am feeling.   I really don’t know how I am feeling except real tired right now.  He spent alot of time with me and tried to cheer me up with positive feedback.  I wish you could all have him for your RD.  I will talk to you all tomorrow. Blessings to everybody. Love Ya, Jeannette — "Life happens while you’re busy planning other things" John Lennon

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Thats good news dear.  You rest and hopefully you will feel better in the morning.  Sometimes you just NEED to have a good cry. Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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Hi Jeanette, My doc put me on zoloft which turned me into a zombie (absolutely did not care about anything). He said there are tons of anti-depressants out there and we’ll just keep trying until we get it right.  I take effexor now and feel much more like myself. If you are depressed keep trying new meds.  Something will work for you. Marg Hello friends:  He feels it is a brain chemical imbalance that is triggering this stuff and wants to get it balanced again since I am so prown to depression anyway.  I have been on Prozac forever.  Anyway, I cried most of the morning before my appt. and then again tonight

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Hello friends:  He feels it is a brain chemical imbalance that is triggering this stuff and wants to get it balanced again since I am so prown to depression anyway.  I have been on Prozac forever.  Anyway, I cried most of the morning before my appt. and then again tonight but somehow it seems to release the anxiety I am feeling.   I really don’t know how I am feeling except real tired right now.  He spent alot of time with me and tried to cheer me up with positive feedback.  I wish you could all have him for your RD.  I will talk to you all tomorrow. Blessings to everybody. Love Ya, Jeannette

My sister was dx’d with clinical depression a 1.5 years ago.  She finally had herself hospitalized for a couple weeks, after she started becoming suicidal.  Her depression was so bad she started having visual changes, everything started appearing darker.  She has been treated by a Psychiatrist to get her chemical imbalance corrected.  They finally came up with the right mix of medication and she is a totally different person… she is back enjoying life and having fun.  I admire her courage for taking dramatic action. Take care and I hope you are on an upward path. — MZ

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HI Jeannette.  I am glad that your RD visit went well.  It is good to have someone believe and care.  But I have to wonder if he is trying to take too much on himself.   While I am sure that he sees depression frequently, and probably anxiety and panic disorders (which are separate but related disorders), he really isn’t trained to deal with them.  What you have been describing the last few weeks sure seems to me to be more than run-of-the-mill depression.  I wonder if you don’t need a referral to a psychiatrist.  I know that I didn’t start getting a handle on my depression until I took that step. Just a thought. Walt Hanks – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello friends: I was having another anxiety/panic attack this a.m. thinking about going to my RD who really is the nicest man in the world.  He was so wonderful. First of all, he is increasing my MTX to 12.5 mg. and beginning another know!!!  Regarding the anxiety/panic/depression, he wants me to continue for one more week taking the Prozac and klonopin six/day 2 at a time and 2 at bedtime.  He said if this stuff does not subside in a week, he will switch me to Zoloft or something else.  He feels it is a brain chemical imbalance that is triggering this stuff and wants to get it balanced again since I am so prown to depression anyway.  I have been on Prozac forever.  Anyway, I cried most of the morning before my appt. and then again tonight but somehow it seems to release the anxiety I am feeling.   I really don’t know how I am feeling except real tired right now.  He spent alot of time with me and tried to cheer me up with positive feedback.  I wish you could all have him for your RD.  I will talk to you all tomorrow. Blessings to everybody. Love Ya, Jeannette

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Dear Jeanette,   I, too, am at 12.5 MTX and haven taken Prozac forever.  WHat dosage of Prozac are you on?  Zoloft did nothing for me, it is like the baby of antidepressants with Prozac being the granddaddy.  I tried Zoloft a few years ago because the Prozac seemed to be not as eeffective as it once was.  At the time I was grieving over the loss of a grandson and did have panic attacks.  To make a long story short I had to go back to Prozac.  This maybe more info than you wanted but  maybe there is another way to go, in the exploration of trying to rid yourself of the panic attacks.   Dawn0 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello friends: I was having another anxiety/panic attack this a.m. thinking about going to my RD who really is the nicest man in the world.  He was so wonderful. First of all, he is increasing my MTX to 12.5 mg. and beginning another know!!!  Regarding the anxiety/panic/depression, he wants me to continue for one more week taking the Prozac and klonopin six/day 2 at a time and 2 at bedtime.  He said if this stuff does not subside in a week, he will switch me to Zoloft or something else.  He feels it is a brain chemical imbalance that is triggering this stuff and wants to get it balanced again since I am so prown to depression anyway.  I have been on Prozac forever.  Anyway, I cried most of the morning before my appt. and then again tonight but somehow it seems to release the anxiety I am feeling.   I really don’t know how I am feeling except real tired right now.  He spent alot of time with me and tried to cheer me up with positive feedback.  I wish you could all have him for your RD.  I will talk to you all tomorrow. Blessings to everybody. Love Ya, Jeannette

– "Life happens while you’re busy planning other things" John Lennon

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Hello friends: I was having another anxiety/panic attack this a.m. thinking about going to my RD who really is the nicest man in the world.  He was so wonderful. First of all, he is increasing my MTX to 12.5 mg. and beginning another know!!!  Regarding the anxiety/panic/depression, he wants me to continue for one more week taking the Prozac and klonopin six/day 2 at a time and 2 at bedtime.  He said if this stuff does not subside in a week, he will switch me to Zoloft or something else.  He feels it is a brain chemical imbalance that is triggering this stuff and wants to get it balanced again since I am so prown to depression anyway.  I have been on Prozac forever.  Anyway, I cried most of the morning before my appt. and then again tonight but somehow it seems to release the anxiety I am feeling.   I really don’t know how I am feeling except real tired right now.  He spent alot of time with me and tried to cheer me up with positive feedback.  I wish you could all have him for your RD.  I will talk to you all tomorrow. Blessings to everybody. Love Ya, Jeannette

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I am 3 years old living in London, England. When I say 3, that is quite old for a horse.

are you full of horse shit?  kind of a loaded question. m.

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How strange I had the same thing! I have lived through 2 nuclear wars, one in ‘98 and one last year. Strangely, in ‘94 I could remember a nuclear war in ‘74 when I was 2. I was very scared of radiation then. My parents brought me cigarrettes in hospital and I would put them under my jacket to see if they were glowing or not.

These kind of experiences are not fun are they? I mean to really seriously live through a nuclear war, which is real to us. In mine, the world ended at Hiroshima – the whole world was destroyed and everything was a delusion.  I was in effect totally alone in a hologram of Planet Earth and the only people that survived were a few Politicians in a bunker who were filming me to see when it was safe to come out. The Borg say that these kind of experiences, the fear, the desolation, the loneliness, deepen our psyche and character – and our friendships and relationships are far more deep and meaningful and that we can experience love, friendship and appreciation on a far more intense level. In real life, I don’t think there is anything that equates with the kind of fear and experiences we go through.

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i’m joe. i’m 49 years old. i live in nashville. i have the skitz and i have to get my apartment ready for inspection on wednesday. it’s tough getting started on my housework. i’m taking a 20 minute break right now and i thought i’d drop you a line. i’m going to post here more often. i hope you like me. cause i need to assosiate with other skitz people. you seem like fun people to me. do you ever have days when you just can’t get started? News:alt.discuss.clubs.public.other.jjlitz

Hi Joe I’m Kelsey and I live in England. <waves

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Yes Joe, I have trouble getting the day started. Sometimes I think its a problem with getting my life started. I’m 58 and I live in New Jersey on the banks of the glorious Delaware River. I guess you’ve lurked so you have the idea. Damo

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Hi Joe I’m a girl penguin and I live somewhere out west.   I have problems getting started all the time.  I think it’s the medication but I can’t function without it so I just have to live with it. nice to meet you penguin

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hey. I’m a 27 yr old male schizer & live in NZ, pleased to meet ya!

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I am Jonathan. 43 year-old south korean(south-west korean). I am jobless,wifeless,childless. I am bored most of the time so I read the bible which is a book of word game and number game. I sometimes get signals from god. If  he says anything about you, I will let you know. "Joe Litzinger" <jjl…@webtv.net

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i’m joe. i’m 49 years old. i live in nashville. i have the skitz and i have to get my apartment ready for inspection on wednesday. it’s tough getting started on my housework. i’m taking a 20 minute break right now and i thought i’d drop you a line. i’m going to post here more often. i hope you like me. cause i need to assosiate with other skitz people. you seem like fun people to me. do you ever have days when you just can’t get started? News:alt.discuss.clubs.public.other.jjlitz

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i’m joe. i’m 49 years old. i live in nashville. i have the skitz and i have to get my apartment ready for inspection on wednesday. it’s tough getting started on my housework. i’m taking a 20 minute break right now and i thought i’d drop you a line. i’m going to post here more often. i hope you like me. cause i need to assosiate with other skitz people. you seem like fun people to me. do you ever have days when you just can’t get started?

Nope.  I am regimented and controlled and have my chores well under control. Place is always tidy.  Dishes always done.  Rubbish always emptied.  Post opened and dealt with. Other chores, the washing, vacuuming, general cleaning – as and when required. My only problem is DUSTING. WHERE does it come from? Where DOES it come from? I once had a delusion that the atomic bomb had actually destroyed the whole planet and I was the only survivor, and that dust was in fact atomic dust. (That was the only explanation I could think of as to where it came from). The world I lived in was an illusion created by the joint intelligence of Russia and America to test whether survival was possible and everyone had been killed except a few politicians who were in bunkers watching me on hidden cameras. I am 3 years old living in London, England. When I say 3, that is quite old for a horse.

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> news:543-42ADB144-90@storefull-3313.bay.webtv.net… >> i’m joe. i’m 49 years old. i live in nashville. i have the skitz and i >> have to get my apartment ready for inspection on wednesday. it’s tough >> getting started on my housework. i’m taking a 20 minute break right now >> and i thought i’d drop you a line. i’m going to post here more often. i >> hope you like me. cause i need to assosiate with other skitz people. you >> seem like fun people to me. do you ever have days when you just can’t >> get started? > Nope.  I am regimented and controlled and have my chores well under > control. > Place is always tidy.  Dishes always done.  Rubbish always emptied.  Post > opened and dealt with. > Other chores, the washing, vacuuming, general cleaning – as and when > required. > My only problem is DUSTING. > WHERE does it come from? > Where DOES it come from? > I once had a delusion that the atomic bomb had actually destroyed the > whole planet and I was the only survivor, and that dust was in fact atomic > dust. (That was the only explanation I could think of as to where it came > from). The world I lived in was an illusion created by the joint > intelligence of Russia and America to test whether survival was possible > and everyone had been killed except a few politicians who were in bunkers > watching me on hidden cameras. > I am 3 years old living in London, England. > When I say 3, that is quite old for a horse.

How strange I had the same thing! I have lived through 2 nuclear wars, one in ‘98 and one last year. Strangely, in ‘94 I could remember a nuclear war in ‘74 when I was 2. I was very scared of radiation then. My parents brought me cigarrettes in hospital and I would put them under my jacket to see if they were glowing or not. — kez

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i’m joe. i’m 49 years old. i live in nashville. i have the skitz and i have to get my apartment ready for inspection on wednesday. it’s tough getting started on my housework. i’m taking a 20 minute break right now and i thought i’d drop you a line. i’m going to post here more often. i hope you like me. cause i need to assosiate with other skitz people. you seem like fun people to me. do you ever have days when you just can’t get started? News:alt.discuss.clubs.public.other.jjlitz

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Hi Evenstar, Welcome to the group.  Hope you get your dx straightened out. Frank. Evenstar H. <evenst…@webtv.net

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hi , i ususally just read when i am in here my pdoc say it is possible that i may have schizo-affective disorder….. this is my fourth visit with my pdoc and i go to therapist they are in injuction with each other all part of the community behavoiral health services/center i been goint to the therapist a while about 2 months or less before i finally saw my pdoc for first time — i had friends at the manic depression ngs tellin me for m onths to go to pdoc go get help and all — i was hardhead and scared — anyway …. here i am….. the doc said that i don’t quite fit in the bipolar crition or fit in the schizophrenia crition –i mean i got some symthoms from each disorder….. im on 750 mg depakote and 1mg risperdal (taken at night) i didn’t see any good risperdal does for me except to knock me out at night but i ran out last wednesday (i didn’t know that one can get more meds without waiting for next appt.) and on small part of friday and saturday and big part of sunday  i could see what it was like without risperdal , i could see what good they were!! sunday was wierd……. is there any good online site for me to read up on this thing — that is if it is possilbe that i have this schizo affective — i did some reading on schizophrenia — i didn’t realized how familar the load of sympthems were — it surprised me — i was all set for dx of bipolar, or ADD, or depression with anxiety or any of those things….but this dx was a surprise …. anyway , nice to meet y’all — atho y’all names are familar from me lurking a tad ~evenstar http://community.webtv.net/evenstarr/RedstarCafe RedStarr – Rollercoaster of my Mind Address:http://www.opendiary.com/entrylist.asp?authorcode=A130869

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Evenstar welcome to the group. girl

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The best place for information and to message other people about it is…. http://www.schizophrenia.com It’s a great place, with really friendly people and a nice atmosphere….try it… Catherine — "Courage in not being afraid, it’s being afraid and carrying on….." http://www.geocities.com/cazie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Evenstar H." wrote:

hi , i ususally just read when i am in here my pdoc say it is possible that i may have schizo-affective disorder….. this is my fourth visit with my pdoc and i go to therapist they are in injuction with each other all part of the community behavoiral health services/center i been goint to the therapist a while about 2 months or less before i finally saw my pdoc for first time — i had friends at the manic depression ngs tellin me for m onths to go to pdoc go get help and all — i was hardhead and scared — anyway …. here i am….. the doc said that i don’t quite fit in the bipolar crition or fit in the schizophrenia crition –i mean i got some symthoms from each disorder….. im on 750 mg depakote and 1mg risperdal (taken at night) i didn’t see any good risperdal does for me except to knock me out at night but i ran out last wednesday (i didn’t know that one can get more meds without waiting for next appt.) and on small part of friday and saturday and big part of sunday  i could see what it was like without risperdal , i could see what good they were!! sunday was wierd……. is there any good online site for me to read up on this thing — that is if it is possilbe that i have this schizo affective — i did some reading on schizophrenia — i didn’t realized how familar the load of sympthems were — it surprised me — i was all set for dx of bipolar, or ADD, or depression with anxiety or any of those things….but this dx was a surprise …. anyway , nice to meet y’all — atho y’all names are familar from me lurking a tad ~evenstar

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i seen what good the risprdal was — see while i was vacuumin the floor , i heard music playing but there was no radio on or it wasn’t from the tv either….. and i started to have disorganized thinking — unable to think straight and on sunday mornin i was frozen to my bed briefly cause i thought my cieling fan was blades — very very sharp blades — scared me til i realized what it really was — and all day on sunday i was unable to think straight — and felt flat, nothing and at times anger burst thru…..(at family situation) everyonce awhile kept laying down then gettin up etc  very weird sunday oh yeah i kept seein bugs in corner of my eyes and when i turn my head to see them directly they dissapper — and i can’t think of anything else ——- oh last month , i saw a woman gettin murdered , stabbed with a knife it was a vision like watchin a movie in my head it wasn’t like i see it happenin right there in my area — i thought oh no a woman gettin murdered right at that moment — and my purpose was to guide her to another stage of life wierd eh? — oh yeah , when does the spacyness and tireness from the risperdal goes away?? thanks evenstarr Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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hi , i ususally just read when i am in here my pdoc say it is possible that i may have schizo-affective disorder….. this is my fourth visit with my pdoc and i go to therapist they are in injuction with each other all part of the community behavoiral health services/center i been goint to the therapist a while about 2 months or less before i finally saw my pdoc for first time — i had friends at the manic depression ngs tellin me for m onths to go to pdoc go get help and all — i was hardhead and scared — anyway …. here i am….. the doc said that i don’t quite fit in the bipolar crition or fit in the schizophrenia crition –i mean i got some symthoms from each disorder….. im on 750 mg depakote and 1mg risperdal (taken at night) i didn’t see any good risperdal does for me except to knock me out at night but i ran out last wednesday (i didn’t know that one can get more meds without waiting for next appt.) and on small part of friday and saturday and big part of sunday  i could see what it was like without risperdal , i could see what good they were!! sunday was wierd……. is there any good online site for me to read up on this thing — that is if it is possilbe that i have this schizo affective — i did some reading on schizophrenia — i didn’t realized how familar the load of sympthems were — it surprised me — i was all set for dx of bipolar, or ADD, or depression with anxiety or any of those things….but this dx was a surprise …. anyway , nice to meet y’all — atho y’all names are familar from me lurking a tad ~evenstar

When I’m not on my anti-psycho drugs, I halucinate and hear voices, that’s how I know I need it. I used to be on Depakote it was good. It didn’t do anything for the halucinations but I felt more stable, and so more calm about the whole thing. SP

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hi , i ususally just read when i am in here my pdoc say it is possible that i may have schizo-affective disorder….. this is my fourth visit with my pdoc and i go to therapist they are in injuction with each other all part of the community behavoiral health services/center i been goint to the therapist a while about 2 months or less before i finally saw my pdoc for first time — i had friends at the manic depression ngs tellin me for m onths to go to pdoc go get help and all — i was hardhead and scared — anyway …. here i am….. the doc said that i don’t quite fit in the bipolar crition or fit in the schizophrenia crition –i mean i got some symthoms from each disorder….. im on 750 mg depakote and 1mg risperdal (taken at night) i didn’t see any good risperdal does for me except to knock me out at night but i ran out last wednesday (i didn’t know that one can get more meds without waiting for next appt.) and on small part of friday and saturday and big part of sunday  i could see what it was like without risperdal , i could see what good they were!! sunday was wierd……. is there any good online site for me to read up on this thing — that is if it is possilbe that i have this schizo affective — i did some reading on schizophrenia — i didn’t realized how familar the load of sympthems were — it surprised me — i was all set for dx of bipolar, or ADD, or depression with anxiety or any of those things….but this dx was a surprise …. anyway , nice to meet y’all — atho y’all names are familar from me lurking a tad ~evenstar http://community.webtv.net/evenstarr/RedstarCafe RedStarr – Rollercoaster of my Mind Address:http://www.opendiary.com/entrylist.asp?authorcode=A130869

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I just noticed that you people are very very interesting. I am currently being weind off Seroquel. It is a fantastic anti-psychotic drug. But without it I am lost. But its just my perception. I’m sorry but my doctor put me through tests and concluded that I was not schisophrenic (sorry about the spelling I spell like shit). The psychosis was inducted by my environ and *some* genetics. One thing I have noticed from talking to alot of crazy people such as myself, is that Christianity seems to be OPERATION MINDFUCK. I’m sorry but there’s just something about believeing in one *SENTIENT* god that doesn’t make sence to me. Zeus, maybe. Odin, maybe. Actually what do I know?! I’m just another crazy voice in this newsgroup that can be passed up. Because it’s something I came up with. So it’s crap! Right? — Take off the x at the end of my e-mail address to reply if there is an x!

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One thing I have noticed from talking to alot of crazy people such as myself, is that Christianity seems to be OPERATION MINDFUCK.

You haven’t been reading The Illumitatus Trillogy by any chance have you? Just asking ’cause of the OM reference,  I read those books just prior to my psychosis, interesting trip.

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I just noticed that you people are very very interesting. I am currently being weind off Seroquel. It is a fantastic anti-psychotic drug. But without it I am lost. But its just my perception.

Hey, another fellow poster ? Seems quite so. Anyway, welcome! Are you a character from the film TRON ? We are looking for those. They are supposed to help us write the book "The practical cats guide to the milky way" It will help humans (normaloes and schizos) to establish their reign in the nearer parts of the universe. Contribution is voluntary. However, spent time will surely not be refunded. — M. Christophe blessed am I to dwell in this beautiful temple. (Rainbows) Nobody suicide any more ! (memorial of the unnamed regular) We are all God, but most of us have forgotten who "they" are.  (SP)

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it I am lost. But its just my perception. Hey, another fellow poster ? Seems quite so. Anyway, welcome! Are you a character from the film TRON ? We are looking for those. They are supposed to help us write the book "The practical cats guide to the milky way" It will help humans (normaloes and schizos) to establish their reign in the nearer parts of the universe. Contribution is voluntary. However, spent time will surely not be refunded. — M. Christophe blessed am I to dwell in this beautiful temple. (Rainbows) Nobody suicide any more ! (memorial of the unnamed regular) We are all God, but most of us have forgotten who "they" are.  (SP)

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yes michelle–its paragraph me bright blessings, diane

you too sweetie pie nice to see you again i suffered from catatonia for quite some time it is possible to get over

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Hi damo.  I find some people take it personally when you tune them out.   On the other hand, I know people who love to monologue about themselves and don’t really expect or even want a response, so with them it’s easy to go off into la-la land and not cause trouble. Flato – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -damod…@webtv.net wrote:

I’m certainly not in Diane’s league concerning cataonia. I know her from before……. She’s a real catatonic. Thats a rare bird. Please excuse me ,Diane, for talking of you in the third person, But I say, Flato, "Excuse me, I was in a dream, what were you saying?’ Never had a bad response using that phrase. Not yet. Even flatbrainers will accept "I was in a dream there for a minute, what were you saying?" Edgar Allen Poe wrote a novel about a family cursed with catatonia. Heart rate, respiration all fall below observable limits etc….they were actually buried alive and the insides of their coffins showed their struggles as they awoke after internment. Diane, Hi Diane, yours is not that extreme I know. Damo http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MystoryasIseeit

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yes i do consider myself lucky not to suffer much from paranoia.  i do have to cope with paranoia though because my husband has paranoid schizophrenia.  i have a lot of sympathy for what he goes through.  and he does with me.  we are lucky that way.  still paranoia can be quite horrible.  my delusions are mostly the bizzare kind and i don’t have them much with meds.  mostly i am troubled with hallucinations–auditory are the worst, olfactory the easiest but still quite annoying. bright blessings, diane

I hallucinate smells from time to time too.  The only troublesome one is smoke, because it makes me think there’s a fire, and I end up running all over my apartment trying to find what’s burning.  My mother has reported hallucinating the smell of smoke as well, so it seems to be hereditary. The cure for paranoia, I find, is making yourself small.  "What makes me so important that people would go through all that trouble to screw me up?"  I usually find that nothing does. Flato

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I hallucinate smells from time to time too. The only troublesome one is smoke, because it makes me think there’s a fire, and I end up running all over my apartment trying to find what’s burning. My mother has reported hallucinating the smell of smoke as well, so it seems to be hereditary. Flato, that smoke thing is real common. I guess you are aware of that. Most of my "smoke" is columns about three or four feet tall and are often in my perifeal vision. No not "often" often just once a while, weeks, months apart, days apart. no rthyme or reason to their presence. Ghosts, I’ve suspected they are actual entities. Dam http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MystoryasIseeit

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Hi damo.  I never hallucinate seeing smoke.  I meant the smell of smoke.   It could be that what you’re seeing is ethereal matter as well. Flato – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -damod…@webtv.net wrote:

I hallucinate smells from time to time too. The only troublesome one is smoke, because it makes me think there’s a fire, and I end up running all over my apartment trying to find what’s burning. My mother has reported hallucinating the smell of smoke as well, so it seems to be hereditary. Flato, that smoke thing is real common. I guess you are aware of that. Most of my "smoke" is columns about three or four feet tall and are often in my perifeal vision. No not "often" often just once a while, weeks, months apart, days apart. no rthyme or reason to their presence. Ghosts, I’ve suspected they are actual entities. Dam http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MystoryasIseeit

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Flato, Smell? Olfactory heh… I’ve read a sufficent number of others who had posted here, and in live conversations, so that I can safely say these smoke piles are common. Common enough. Just like the TV talking at you and etceras. Although a little less common…really…. Damo http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MystoryasIseeit

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thanks michelle, its good to see you too. i’ve pretty much gotten over the catatonic stuff except i still have a little bit of it.  very slight.  i don’t know if it will come back but i am living for today. bright blessings, diane From: H…@spitfire.com (HAWK) "Diane Marie" <sheelana…@webtv.net

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i was fluffy mcfluffpotato–i forgot about that. thanks for the welcome. bright blessings, diane From: n…@none.com (M) Were you "fluffy mcfluffpotato"? Welcome back. M.

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i’ve been reading the posts for a few days now and decided to say "hi" its hard to keep up because there are a lot of posts. anyway, my name is diane and i used to post here about 4 or 5 years ago. some of you  may remember me.  i have schizo-affective disorder.  (at least that is one of my diagnosises) anyway, ‘hi" bright blessings, diane

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hi diane, hope you are doin well On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:37:29 -0400, sheelana…@webtv.net (Diane Marie) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

i’ve been reading the posts for a few days now and decided to say "hi" its hard to keep up because there are a lot of posts. anyway, my name is diane and i used to post here about 4 or 5 years ago. some of you  may remember me.  i have schizo-affective disorder.  (at least that is one of my diagnosises) anyway, ‘hi" bright blessings, diane

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Hi.  I have that too, sz-affective.  But I’ve been fine for many years on meds.  I can remember it as feeling very down and paranoid and couldn’t concentrate on school work.  I would describe it as a trip into hell and back.  How would you describe yours? Thanks for any response. "Diane Marie" <sheelana…@webtv.net

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i’ve been reading the posts for a few days now and decided to say "hi" its hard to keep up because there are a lot of posts. anyway, my name is diane and i used to post here about 4 or 5 years ago. some of you  may remember me.  i have schizo-affective disorder.  (at least that is one of my diagnosises) anyway, ‘hi" bright blessings, diane

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i am doing very well thank you (except my stomach) bright blessings, diane From: deejay@sdfDOTlonestarDOTorg (…~deejay~…) hi diane, hope you are doin well

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hello just me, my case is a little unique because the schizo part of it is catatonic schizophrenia.  also i have both the ups and downs in the affective part (both mania and depression) its almost like i have two separate illnesses.  right now i am on the depressed side and could use a little mania (my home needs a good cleaning–mania is always good for that) i do pretty well on antipsychotics (i am on abilfy) but the affective part of my illness has been really difficult to treat.  i have very little control over my emotions–but i am still doing better than i was years ago. i guess i would describe it as hell and back and hell again and back again etc. bright blessings, diane From: thecli…@hotmail.com (Just

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 I’m not sure .But it seems when I have to do dishes that I only have one ,and it always drops the good dishes. lol     gary: "As you grow older you will discover you have two hands ." Gary ,I am anxious for you ,how old were you when you discovered you have two hands ,two ears ,two eyes ? LOL marie:) But I keep your thought in my mind !

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 I’m not sure .But it seems when I have to do dishes that I only have one ,and it always drops the good dishes. lol     gary: "As you grow older you will discover you have two hands ." Gary ,I am anxious for you ,how old were you

when you discovered you have two hands ,two ears ,two eyes ? LOL marie:) But I keep your thought in my mind !

Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Gary, I’d like to give you a big hand, as in a round of applause. Thank you for always sharing your words of inspiration, and encouragement. Mindy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Remember if you ever need a helping hand ,you’ll find one at the end of hands . One for helping yourself, the other for helping others."                gary:

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"As you grow older you will discover you have two hands ."

Gary ,I am anxious for you ,how old were you when you discovered you have two hands ,two ears ,two eyes ? LOL marie:) But I keep your thought in my mind !

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Gary, this is a keeper!  Thanks for sharing these thoughts with us.  I know I enjoy them. Bonnie in TX – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Remember if you ever need a helping hand ,you’ll find one at the end of hands . One for helping yourself, the other for helping others."               gary:

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"Remember if you ever need a helping hand ,you’ll find one at the end of hands . One for helping yourself, the other for helping others."                gary:

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Amy, this is a good one!   I agree with Gene this thread is getting more and more interesting.  LOL Bonnie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hmm.  A mature, sweetness-challenged visage. Amy. Gene V wrote : We avoid such idioms,Tom, on a.s.d.! : Mary Beth decreed years ago,and now : it is law, that "mature"is an acceptable : term to use and more politically correct. : Old! And sourpuss!!!  That hurts…ROFLOL

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Mindy, I too have to be careful of my neck.  I have had ST for over 20 years and have had 2 neck operations (ruptured discs) also severe arthritis in that area. Heh, taking off the wrapper is exercise!  Sometimes those darn things wrapped in that tight cellophane are very hard to get off! So, you live in NY.  Do you live in the city?  I can’t imagine living there. Then when you live on 31 acres in a community of about 200 people in an isolated rural area of TX, the saying "I don’t get off the farm much" is a reality for me. Bonnie in TX

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Hi Bonnie, I’ve tried Denise Austin, too hard. Then was using Dixie Carter for a long time, much easier for me. Now I bought Yoga Journal’s Yoga. I figured a new tape would get me motivated again. It’s been about  a month, so far I’ve only taken off the wrapper. That wasn’t too much exersion.  LOL I  have to be careful of my neck. My legs are fine. I have BEB & Meige, and my neck muscles are involved. I live NYC, not too much horse back riding available here. I may not be able to ride a horse, but I like to take my dog for walks Happy planting, Mindy

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Hmm.  A mature, sweetness-challenged visage. Amy. Gene V wrote : We avoid such idioms,Tom, on a.s.d.! : Mary Beth decreed years ago,and now : it is law, that "mature"is an acceptable : term to use and more politically correct.   : Old! And sourpuss!!!  That hurts…ROFLOL

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Gene V Now I know that Marie, as befits her nationality, is one of the few people with insight and sensibility on this newsgroup – having last week diagnosed me as having a sense of humour, when all around, others thought I was just weird. I am sorry that my South of Ireland idioms have caused offence. I will avoid them in future. Here, "old" pronounced "auld" can be a form of endearment, and one is likely to be addressed as "boy" or "girl" until one is well past the telegram from the President stage. I realise that these terms can cause unhappiness in more advanced societies, so we will have to pull up our socks here in that respect, or, revert back to Gaelic. I would have attached a photograph to allow you all to decide on the "sourpuss" tag, but there are laws against sending that type of material on the wire. Tom

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – /As such  an arrangement is impossible, I’ll just continue to be a /disgruntled old sourpuss. /Tom. We avoid such idioms,Tom, on a.s.d.! Mary Beth decreed years ago,and now it is law, that "mature"is an acceptable term to use and more politically correct. Old! And sourpuss!!!  That hurts…ROFLOL

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I see many more posts kept on deja        gary: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I’m not sure .But it seems when I have to do dishes that I only have one ,and it always drops the good dishes. lol     gary: "As you grow older you will discover you have two hands ." Gary ,I am anxious for you ,how old were you when you discovered you have two hands ,two ears ,two eyes ? LOL marie:) But I keep your thought in my mind ! Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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/ / Keep the horse, Marie, please, I’ll / take the kingdom any time:) / /       one moment ,please ,I’m not sure it’s a good deal… /        marie:) This thread is getting funnier but the minute…LOL

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/As such  an arrangement is impossible, I’ll just continue to be a /disgruntled old sourpuss. /Tom. We avoid such idioms,Tom, on a.s.d.! Mary Beth decreed years ago,and now it is law, that "mature"is an acceptable term to use and more politically correct.   Old! And sourpuss!!!  That hurts…ROFLOL

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Tom,I am sure you are not a disgrountled old sourpuss ! you dream about the Place de la Concorde ,I am dreaming about your green island … thank you marie

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Keep the horse, Marie, please, I’ll take the kingdom any time:)

        one moment ,please ,I’m not sure it’s a good deal…         marie:)

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Marie, Still only 1840 in Ireland. Advantage of residing in mid Atlantic. Blue sky , sun shining only cause for complaint – working this weekend with more to follow tomorrow. Misneach ! Courage ! There used to be a saying on this island as boring as a Belfast Sunday afternoon. Hard to hear such a sad call from the City of Light. I feel if on alternate days on going to work I could see the West of Ireland mountains, or emerge from the Metro at the Place de la Concorde, I would be a contented man. As such  an arrangement is impossible, I’ll just continue to be a disgruntled old sourpuss. Tom.

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/Hi, it’s 19 pm sunday evening ,do you know also the blues of these /sunday evenings ? /marie Keep the horse, Marie, please, I’ll take the kingdom any time:)

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Hi, it’s 19 pm sunday evening ,do you know also the blues of these sunday evenings ? marie

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Mindy, I have been doing yoga for over 15 years.  Yes, I use a video tape. I have a wonderful one called "Ultra Stretch" that is most effective for me. The yoga position I am trying to conquer now is the Sun Salutation.  The tape is Jane Fonda and it starts you out slow and she even says not to push too hard or put yourself in discomfort.  It also has relaxation/breathing exercises at the end.  I love it. Well, it is cooler today so I’m going to go work in my flower garden.  I have some daylilies I ordered that I have got to get into the ground.  At the speed I go, it might take a couple of days.  :-)   At the first sign of any back ache or any part of my body straining, I stop and rest for awhile then resume. Mindy, you should try horseback riding again if you can.  It is the best for exercising every part of your body and great for maintaining balance.  It really helped strenghten my legs and back muscles. Take care. Bonnie in TX "I may not walk too good but I sure can ride a horse"

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 thought i’d try this        gary: Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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HI;  Well put I like that.        gary: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If we cling to the past, we become unavailable to the present. Jeannie

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If we cling to the past, we become unavailable to the present. Jeannie

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Hello it’s your sister. How do you do? What do you do this afternoon?

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Hello it’s your sister. How do you do? What do you do this afternoon?

What are you doing here !!!!!  call me on my cellular .

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Even you aren’t posting everyday…,you are here and be sure nobody can forget you ,you helped me so much . marie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Thanks for the comment:  We must look to the future not the past.  I am very busy at these times and must make a choice between time and work . I am very tired but hope that all of you understand . I also hope that when time is abundant, that you all will be here.i BEING ONE OF THE VERY FORTUNATE ONES WISH I COULD ANSWER MORE OFTEN.               gary;   P.S . KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes, Gary, I made up my mind, I am going to beat this thing. Call it a cure, call it remission, call it what ever you like, one day it will go away and never come back. I am absolutely right. I like that saying very much, and believe it to be very true. Mindy "If you’ve made up your mind that you can do something—                you are absolutely right."                       gary:

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Yes, Gary, I made up my mind, I am going to beat this thing. Call it a cure, call it remission, call it what ever you like, one day it will go away and never come back. I am absolutely right. I like that saying very much, and believe it to be very true. Mindy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"If you’ve made up your mind that you can do something—                you are absolutely right."                       gary:

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"If you’ve made up your mind that you can do something—                 you are absolutely right."                        gary: Before you buy.

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 Nice if you consider yourself old and a grouch. Old I shall never be just wiser.         gary; – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Don’t walk in front of me; I may not follow.  Don’t walk behind me; I may not lead.  Don’t walk beside me, either.  Just leave me alone."–Maxine, grouchy senior citizen from various Hallmark greeting-card products. Amy.

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It can be that hip pain originates from problems with ITB like the outside of the knee. I had ITB problems that ori

I have a new pain in my hip too. where in the hip does a itb problem hurt? jack

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On me ITB hip pain hurts on the most sticking-out part of my pelvis on my side below my waist.  I have been able to get rid of much of the pain my stretching the ITB.  I can’t really describe the stretch, but I believe that it is described on the runner’s world site and other stretching for runners sites. lisa susan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It can be that hip pain originates from problems with ITB like the outside of the knee. I had ITB problems that ori I have a new pain in my hip too. where in the hip does a itb problem hurt? jack

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It can be that hip pain originates from problems with ITB like the outside of the knee. I had ITB problems that ori I have a new pain in my hip too. where in the hip does a itb problem hurt? jack

I’m sorry, I’m not a doctor, but it’s kind of…in the hip! IIRC it’s the knobbly bit level with your groin on the outside. Can’t help much than that other than to suggest looking on the internet (or a book) for a diagram of the ITB. The pain is basically at each end where it joins the knee and hip — Nigel Bailey Reborn to run. http://www.nigelbailey.demon.co.uk/running

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Does anyone know what a pain in the inside of your hip could mean? Its not as inside as a groin pull, more toward the front. I can’t decide if its deep in the joint or in the muscle. jack h

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Does anyone know what a pain in the inside of your hip could mean? Its not as inside as a groin pull, more toward the front. I can’t decide if its deep in the joint or in the muscle. jack h

If it’s like mine, it could be the hip flexor, and it’s a real pain, as it messes up your ability to run!!! I was just starting to get into a routine of regular running, I ran too fast one day, started to get the pain, which has now forced me to take 4 weeks off running. Gavin (making all the new runner mistakes, it seems) —

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Does anyone know what a pain in the inside of your hip could mean? Its not as inside as a groin pull, more toward the front. I can’t decide if its deep in the joint or in the muscle. jack h

Hmmm.  You are describing a pain in the ass that interferes with your running. I suppose divorce is one solution. Jennifer – ok, ok gimme a break; there may be other solutions

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Does anyone know what a pain in the inside of your hip could mean? Its not as inside as a groin pull, more toward the front. I can’t decide if its deep in the joint or in the muscle. jack h If it’s like mine, it could be the hip flexor, a

Gavin, Exercise doesn’t seem to aggravate my pain. But, I can’t sit watching a movie without it really starting to hurt. Does this describe your problem with the hip flexor? Jack H

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Does anyone know what a pain in the inside of your hip could mean? Its not as inside as a groin pull, more toward the front. I can’t decide if its deep in the joint or in the muscle. jack h

I always thought of my injury as a groin injury but never really checked it out. Mine sounds like what you are describing. I feel it when I stretch.While in a yoga position, the left side of my leg refuses to go down as far to the ground as my right. All I can suggest is that you constantly concentrate on your hamstrings. Once they tighten up all kinds of things go wrong. (back, neck, shoulders, knees…) Spend the time on stretching (as boring and painful as it can be) and really concentrate where the center of pain is. Breathe slowly and allow those little stretching increments to lengthten and before you know it, you’ll feel much, much better. It isn’t a once a week thing either. Do it every day. We are all in such a rush to get out there and think that two, three weeks off will solve the mystery. You should be stretching those three weeks, because your ham strings are going to be just as tight the day you go back to running as they were the day you decided to take a break, if you weren’t stretching. Rest does not loosen your muscels. You have to stretch!

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Generally I run 3 or 4 mornings a week ( 5 mile runs ) but after a little muscle strain after laying some concrete I missed 7 days and then had an easy run.  After this I had a slight pain in my right hip.

It can be that hip pain originates from problems with ITB like the outside of the knee. I had ITB problems that originated on my right knee, went up to my right hip, then the compensated running to alleviate that pain put pressure on my other leg, so I got pain in my left hip which finally went to my left knee! Nigel (now training sensibly, with orthotics and (so far) no ITB pain ) — Nigel Bailey Reborn to run. http://www.nigelbailey.demon.co.uk/running

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Generally I run 3 or 4 mornings a week ( 5 mile runs ) but after a little muscle strain after laying some concrete I missed 7 days and then had an easy run.  After this I had a slight pain in my right hip. I left it for 4 days and went out this morning again and within 50 yards I felt a slight pain in the hip again altough I was still able to run the 5 miles without it re-occuring.  However all day today I have occasionally felt a twinge in the hip. I do stretch for about 15mins before I go out.

SNIP As I become an expert in injury running I had something like this a while ago. It meant a change in shoes for me. In any case, do NOT try to run thru something like this. Believe me, it only makes it worse. One thing us runners need is patience and as hard as it is to NOT run (Believe me), you should not.

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I had some problem like you described.  For me, it happened when I tried to run speed session on a track at an initial speed to fast for my training level at that time. It took me some times to understand the reason of these pains (hip and foot), but I didn’t want to stop training because I had a marathon coming.  What I did was to stop the speed session and, I did return to the training I was used to (since one year) at a more easy pace on the road.  During the next days and weeks I saw the pain disapears.  Now I’m back on the speed session, but I do them a bit slower and I don’t feel the pain. Hope it helps. Ray – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Generally I run 3 or 4 mornings a week ( 5 mile runs ) but after a little muscle strain after laying some concrete I missed 7 days and then had an easy run.  After this I had a slight pain in my right hip. I left it for 4 days and went out this morning again and within 50 yards I felt a slight pain in the hip again altough I was still able to run the 5 miles without it re-occuring.  However all day today I have occasionally felt a twinge in the hip. I do stretch for about 15mins before I go out. Question is :—  Is this an injury from running or is it maybe a trapped nerve or something. If you have experienced this or something similar I would appreciate any advice. Thanks in advance Steve

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Generally I run 3 or 4 mornings a week ( 5 mile runs ) but after a little muscle strain after laying some concrete I missed 7 days and then had an easy run.  After this I had a slight pain in my right hip. I left it for 4 days and went out this morning again and within 50 yards I felt a slight pain in the hip again altough I was still able to run the 5 miles without it re-occuring.  However all day today I have occasionally felt a twinge in the hip. I do stretch for about 15mins before I go out. Question is :—  Is this an injury from running or is it maybe a trapped nerve or something. If you have experienced this or something similar I would appreciate any advice. Thanks in advance Steve

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we all are….Blue Cross Blue Shield approved enbrel.  I might take up aerobics.

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ME TOO! TAKE A WALK WITH MY 19 YEAR OLD ATHLETIC SON  AND ASK HIM IF I’M WEARING HIM OUT…. CLEAN MY HOUSE WITHOUT SITTING DOWN. DANCE RUN UP AND DOWN STAIRS HAVE THE DOGS RUN AFTER ME. ASK A FRIEND "DO YOU NEED SOME HELP WITH THAT?" BE ABLE TO GET ON MY KNEES TO THNAK GOD FOR THIS DRUG.

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Oh, I hear you about losing the prednisone weight, that’s my #1 wish but I’ll tell you, I’ve had my 4th shot and I haven’t felt like this in about 5 years. I could run a marathon, it’s unbelieveable! One month ago I couldn’t put my own shoes on or tie them, I was having my knees drained about once a week, I could barely walk, had to take naps everyday…and now I can sit in a yoga position with my legs crossed, run and not have to take any naps…It’s like a miracle. I’ve already reduced my prednisone by 1 miiligram and hopefully will be able to get off it soon. Good Luck to anyone else taking Enbrel!

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Joe – That’s so great to hear!  I can’t wait to start noticing the difference! You must have been one of the first to get enbrel!  I had my first shot yesterday and can "Thankfully" have my second on Thanksgiving day.!   Way to go Joe! Diane – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Oh, I hear you about losing the prednisone weight, that’s my #1 wish but I’ll tell you, I’ve had my 4th shot and I haven’t felt like this in about 5 years. I could run a marathon, it’s unbelieveable! One month ago I couldn’t put my own shoes on or tie them, I was having my knees drained about once a week, I could barely walk, had to take naps everyday…and now I can sit in a yoga position with my legs crossed, run and not have to take any naps…It’s like a miracle. I’ve already reduced my prednisone by 1 miiligram and hopefully will be able to get off it soon. Good Luck to anyone else taking Enbrel!

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CLEAN MY HOUSE WITHOUT SITTING DOWN.

You mean everyone doesn’t sit down while cleaning.  hehe ~~~

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Since you all have computers, and most of you have much negatives bouncing around in your head like me, here’s a link to some MIDI music files to cheer you up: http://files.midifarm.com/midifiles/General_MIDI/ I find it effective for changing my frame of mind, and getting some necessary relief from my own thoughts. (There’s tons of similar links like it; just type "MIDI" in any search engine and you’ll find links to the files and any software additions you need to play the files.) Also, if you have an understanding boss at work, try some headphones and music CDs; classical works good for me when I need to clear the negatives, and get not too hyper on the music so I can concentrate. Enjoy! Brian

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Thanks Joanne, Actually, it’s the original guy who’s the imposter/stranger (trying to impersonate me). This one’s the real me, coming back… gaining a few more shreds of sanity. (-; To summarize, my attorney is doing his job well, allowing me to clear my brain a bit more and focus on the future, with less dwelling on the past and upcoming bankruptcy. I’ve accepted that I’m at stage B and that stage A is gone, and am setting my sights on stage C (a happy life). And in the last hearing, my ex was very effective at being her own worst enemy, shooting her mouth off and even arguing with the judge (she didn’t bring her attorney for a mere TPO extension hearing)… to the point that the judge said "I find it very hard to believe …." It was a lot of comfort to find out that her lies would reflect more on her and less on me, and in seeing that my attorney is able to do a fine job on my behalf. Though her attitude will be to continue with hatefulness and dragging this on as long as possible, I’ve come to understand her motivations, her sad past, etc. and feel a bit sad/sorry for her, and from that have reached a degree of forgiveness for her (though the TPO prevents me from conveying any of that to her… per her own doing, and not that it will do any good, as next Monday my attorney will again prevail and restore a degree of fairness to my side of things for me… probably upsetting her again, making anything I could say to her… futile). So, some things are beyond my control, and those things I can… let slide into the past. And for the rest of the pressures upon my brain, I’ve decided to simply treat myself a bit better by focusing on more positive things, future hopes and idea, things that bring me enjoyment (e.g. music to clear the mind), getting outside more, getting out of old patterns and going to do new things. Certainly things ahead will be the most difficult times I’ve had to face in life (the kinds of things all of us in this unfortunate club have to deal with), but I’ve made up my mind to move on past those things and if not now, someday soon, do whatever it takes to be happy. (And that includes not triggering any red flags, or creating my own need for therapy <grin.) And part of my new direction will cause me to visit this group less and less…. to the point that I may not see your messages (so don’t think I’m ignoring you), so feel free, Raven, and anyone else, to write to my direct address too if you don’t hear from me. By the way, the best part of this discussion group is that it’s good therapy for all of us to have an outlet, while helping eachother, and gaining the understanding that we all can survive this stuff; and by reaching out to others, we can more easily find some inner peace (no, I’m don’t sitting in a Yoga position….hehehee, and you can’t take the pebble from my hand either, grasshopper). And thanks for so few weeks ago, talking some sense into that imposter guy; I told him to take a hike. Brian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Brian…. good to see you again… What’s happening????? You sound like a different guy! (-: -raven

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=Thanks to Donna for this

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –       T  H  E     H  U  M  O  R      L  I  S  T 24 BEST RESPONSES IF FOUND ASLEEP AT YOUR DESK 24. "Oh, man! Come in at 6 in the morning and look what happens!" 23. "This is in exchange for the six hours last night when I dreamed about work!" 22. "You don’t discriminate against those with Latient Atrophy Zymosis Yeast syndrome, DO YOU?!?" 21. "Gee, I thought you (the boss) were gone for the day." 20. "They told me at the blood bank this might happen." 19. "Oh, hi, I was trying to pick up my contact lens without my hands." 18. "This is just a 15 minute power-nap like they raved about in the last time management course you sent me to." 17. "Whew! Guess I left the top off the liquid paper." 16. "I was just meditating on the mission statement and envisioning a new paradigm!" 15. "This is one of the seven habits of highly effective people!" 14. "I was testing the keyboard for drool resistance." 13. "I’m doing the Stress Level Elimination Exercise Plan (SLEEP) I learned at the last mandatory seminar you made me attend." 12. "It worked well for Reagan, didn’t it?" 11. "This is a highly specific Yoga position to relieve work-related stress." 10. "Just pacing myself for the all-nighter tonight!" 9. "I was working smarter, not harder." 8. "Auggh!  Why did you interrupt me?  I had almost figured out a solution to our biggest problem." 7. "I’m in the management training program." 6. "The coffee machine is broken…." 5. "Someone must’ve put decaf in the wrong pot." 4. "Boy, that cold medicine I took last night just won’t wear off!" 3. "Ah, the unique and unpredictable circadian rhythms of the workaholic!" 2. "It’s okay…I’m still billing the client." And the #1 response if found asleep at your desk: 1. "…and I especially thank you for my excellent boss, Amen!" [created by Laugh-alot; forwarded by Doug Tegner]

Thanks, ConnieD.

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=Thanks to Donna for this

LOL  You could also do what a fellow that worked for me would do. I would gently tug on his shoulder untill he was awake and he would always say—-amen and bless my boss LOL Harv

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LOL  You could also do what a fellow that worked for me would do. I would gently tug on his shoulder untill he was awake and he would always say—-amen and bless my boss

LOL… reminds me of the night clerk I had to fire at the hotel where I used to work.  It was bad enough that he slept on the job… but then he STAYED asleep until 9 am when the general manager (MY boss) came in… and was stretched out on the floor in front of his office snoring  with a pillow taken from the couch! LadyAndy2

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LOL  You could also do what a fellow that worked for me would do. I would gently tug on his shoulder untill he was awake and he would always say—-amen and bless my boss LOL Harv

LOL, good one – talk about thinking fast Toni

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Sabine, et al, an esophageal spasm can be triggered by a fairly small amount of acid.  For some reason the spasm doesn’t even have to be triggered by reflux. I used to be able to lay down and get relief while I was talking with a customer when I still worked for Microsoft.  When I felt the burp coming on I’d just hit the mute button <G. Good luck! — :^)…Bev – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Bev ,           when I consider about what all of you have written, an explanation for my pain could be this esophageal spasm. But there is absolutely no coherence between my pain and if, what, when I eat. And all antacid doesn’t work for me. Two weeks ago I was taking a strong drug against reflux and the difference to that time aren’t very big. The only thing what helps is laying in bed. with regards                         Sabine

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Hi Gene, I’ve experienced something similar and mine feels like either major indigestion or a heart attack.  It has been going on for several months now.   These ‘espisodes’ had only happened while I’d been at home, but lo and behold, I was at my neuro’s one day several months back and it happened there in his office. (I wrote about this at the time….guess you missed it)   He, like your doctor, also felt that the dystonia had progressed; but not to my stomach area.  He suggested, or felt, or theorized that the dystonia was now affecting the deep wall   muscles of my chest area – Oh yippie     He suggested that I take small sips of water (about 1/2 glass or so) to help the muscles relax.  I tried it and most of the time it works…..at least to some extent. Odd that you posted this today, as I had another ‘episode’ just last evening. BTW:  Regarding the water routine – sit up as straight as possible and drink very small sips at a time….you’ll find what works best for you (if this is a viable option, as yours sounds just slightly different). One more thing….When this first started with me, it seemed to happen quite frequently.  It appears to have leveled to a place where it doesn’t happen as often as it did in the beginning.   Hope this helps some. Take care, Gina – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A week ago I experienced terrible pain in my stomach.  It felt as if someone had punched me.  The same thing happened this morning when I was lifting Catherine, our granddaughter. Our  family doctor sent me to the hospital for a check up,  just in case it was a  heart attack.  Tests revealed that my heart is  okay and the  doctor theorized that this pain was caused by muscles spasms! I have ST and thus far it has  only affected the  right side, but this time,  muscles spasms flared up on my  left side,  around the heart area and up towards the neck! Has anyone  experienced this? Regards, Gene http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/ev/

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A week ago I experienced terrible pain in my stomach.  It felt as if someone had punched me.  The same thing happened this morning when I was lifting Catherine, our granddaughter. Our  family doctor sent me to the hospital for a check up,  just in case it was a  heart attack.  Tests revealed that my heart is  okay and the  doctor theorized that this pain was caused by muscles spasms! I have ST and thus far it has  only affected the  right side, but this time,  muscles spasms flared up on my  left side,  around the heart area and up towards the neck! Has anyone  experienced this? Regards, Gene http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/ev/

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Hi Gene,             I don’t know if we suffer on a similar disease, but on the same problem, that our docs and we don’t know the reason. One week after Botox injections last September I got breath problems and stabbing pain in my chest. They were examining my lounge, heart, all inner organs – nothing. Then the pain was changing from stabbing to burning. It is a feeling like eaten the hottest chilly all over my chest. Next examination was an endoskopie of my stomach – nothing. Nevertheless I got prescribed a drug against refluxoesophagitis. My doc fears that the muscles of my stomach don’t function normal anymore because of injections of Botox into my abdominal muscles. The burning pain has became a little bit better, but now it ‘ think’ a horse has kicked into my stomach. So he stopped with this drug and next week I have to go to an other hospital for the next round of the same examinations. If your doc will find out the reason, please inform me. with regards                              Sabine – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -A week ago I experienced terrible pain in my stomach.  It felt as if someone had punched me.  The same thing happened this morning when I was lifting Catherine, our granddaughter. Our  family doctor sent me to the hospital for a check up,  just in case it was a  heart attack.  Tests revealed that my heart is  okay and the  doctor theorized that this pain was caused by muscles spasms! I have ST and thus far it has  only affected the  right side, but this time,  muscles spasms flared up on my  left side,  around the heart area and up towards the neck! Has anyone  experienced this? Regards, Gene http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/ev/

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/I too have got something like this – a kind of dull, painful aching /sensation that can last for upwards of twenty minutes – happens any time of /the day or night but not very often.  It occurs quite independently of my /SD – it is kind of between my upper chest and neck, and feels fairly deep. My experience with this pain is exactly as you have described!  It hasn’t happened often, but  happened twice lately within eight days! /When it first occurred, I thought – am I having a heart attack?  Is this /what it feels like when you are dying? Same question I had and it was disturbing… /I must admit the glass of water treatment calms things down very quickly /however, and it happens relatively infrequently and goes away eventually – /so I haven’t taken it further – it’s not a major thing i have to deal with. Will have to try out a glass of water treatment the next time around.   Hope it works because these attacks  are "very" painful. /Thanks, Gina, for mentioning the ‘glass of water’ trick – that’s what /prompted me to reply.  It’s taken me a long time to realise this kind of /pain/ache is probably another manifestation of dystonia. Already  thanked  Gina privately.  At the time she  wrote, I hadn’t accepted the possibility that it was caused by dystonia,  but I am starting to accept this now.   Stress  caused by muscles spasms does a lot of damage to our bodies.   At times,  I feel as if my neck is going to break.  Also,  it feels like someone has an unmerciful vice like grip on my back muscles.   Not very pleasant and terribly tiresome as one must constantly fight to keep the body straight. Going out for long walks has been more and more difficult lately because of muscles spasms.  I’d hate to use a cervical collar again, they were not built with comfort in mind… David

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I too have got something like this – a kind of dull, painful aching sensation that can last for upwards of twenty minutes – happens any time of the day or night but not very often.  It occurs quite independently of my SD – it is kind of between my upper chest and neck, and feels fairly deep. When it first occurred, I thought – am I having a heart attack?  Is this what it feels like when you are dying? I must admit the glass of water treatment calms things down very quickly however, and it happens relatively infrequently and goes away eventually – so I haven’t taken it further – it’s not a major thing i have to deal with. Thanks, Gina, for mentioning the ‘glass of water’ trick – that’s what prompted me to reply.  It’s taken me a long time to realise this kind of pain/ache is probably another manifestation of dystonia. David – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Gene, I’ve experienced something similar and mine feels like either major indigestion or a heart attack.  It has been going on for several months now. These ‘espisodes’ had only happened while I’d been at home, but lo and behold, I was at my neuro’s one day several months back and it happened there in his office. (I wrote about this at the time….guess you missed it)   He, like your doctor, also felt that the dystonia had progressed; but not to my stomach area. He suggested, or felt, or theorized that the dystonia was now affecting the deep wall   muscles of my chest area – Oh yippie     He suggested that I take small sips of water (about 1/2 glass or so) to help the muscles relax. I tried it and most of the time it works…..at least to some extent. Odd that you posted this today, as I had another ‘episode’ just last evening. BTW:  Regarding the water routine – sit up as straight as possible and drink very small sips at a time….you’ll find what works best for you (if this is a viable option, as yours sounds just slightly different). One more thing….When this first started with me, it seemed to happen quite frequently.  It appears to have leveled to a place where it doesn’t happen as often as it did in the beginning. Hope this helps some. Take care, Gina A week ago I experienced terrible pain in my stomach.  It felt as if someone had punched me.  The same thing happened this morning when I was lifting Catherine, our granddaughter. Our  family doctor sent me to the hospital for a check up,  just in case it was a  heart attack.  Tests revealed that my heart is  okay and the  doctor theorized that this pain was caused by muscles spasms! I have ST and thus far it has  only affected the  right side, but this time,  muscles spasms flared up on my  left side,  around the heart area and up towards the neck! Has anyone  experienced this? Regards, Gene http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/ev/

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Hi Bev ,            when I consider about what all of you have written, an explanation for my pain could be this esophageal spasm. But there is absolutely no coherence between my pain and if, what, when I eat. And all antacid doesn’t work for me. Two weeks ago I was taking a strong drug against reflux and the difference to that time aren’t very big. The only thing what helps is laying in bed. with regards                          Sabine – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi, Gene, et al… Try this.  You’ll look silly as all get out but it works for me. When you get that "kicked in the stomach" feeling or the burning that feels like angina, assume that you are experiencing esophageal spasms caused by reflux. Lay on your back with your arms spread out and your legs together. If you feel relief in five to 10 minutes, esophageal spasms is what you’re feeling. When sitting up, don’t be surprised if you emit a long (but oh so satisfying belch). My pharmacist recommended Gaviscon for the relief of the reflux.  Check with your pharmacist before taking any antacid as some of them can interfere with your prescription meds. Now for the part you’ll hate: by switching to a very low fat vegetarian diet you will be able to avoid most reflux.  I ate at a cafeteria today and the pinto beans had been cooked with a ham hock.  But they tasted so good I ate them anyway. It took laying on the floor and four Gaviscon tablets to get the mule from kicking me in the stomach. Laying on the floor in that position, BTW, is a Yoga position.  Works like a charm. In an emergency, and if you’ve got it, you can try taking nitroglycerin sub-lingually or by spraying sub-lingually.  I’ll swap the nitro migraine for the kick in the stomach any day of the week. Is it Dystonia?  Damn, I sure hope not, but if it is, laying down works to relax the muscles involved. Love ‘n hugs all ’round! Bev

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Hi, Gene, et al… Try this.  You’ll look silly as all get out but it works for me. When you get that "kicked in the stomach" feeling or the burning that feels like angina, assume that you are experiencing esophageal spasms caused by reflux. Lay on your back with your arms spread out and your legs together. If you feel relief in five to 10 minutes, esophageal spasms is what you’re feeling. When sitting up, don’t be surprised if you emit a long (but oh so satisfying belch). My pharmacist recommended Gaviscon for the relief of the reflux.  Check with your pharmacist before taking any antacid as some of them can interfere with your prescription meds. Now for the part you’ll hate: by switching to a very low fat vegetarian diet you will be able to avoid most reflux.  I ate at a cafeteria today and the pinto beans had been cooked with a ham hock.  But they tasted so good I ate them anyway. It took laying on the floor and four Gaviscon tablets to get the mule from kicking me in the stomach. Laying on the floor in that position, BTW, is a Yoga position.  Works like a charm. In an emergency, and if you’ve got it, you can try taking nitroglycerin sub-lingually or by spraying sub-lingually.  I’ll swap the nitro migraine for the kick in the stomach any day of the week. Is it Dystonia?  Damn, I sure hope not, but if it is, laying down works to relax the muscles involved. Love ‘n hugs all ’round! Bev

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Have you had an endoscopy Gene, as if it is not your heart it could be your stomach or esophagus as so many of us seem to have reflux problems along with dystonia? I can’t say I’d ever describe the pain I had as having been kicked by a horse but I was rolling about in agony in 1990 while I waited for an X-Ray because the necessity of not eating increased the pain, but then it was on the right and  I had a suspected duodenal ulcer-my gastroenterologist now says he thinks that was and is dystonia too as the endoscopy showed no evidence of ulcers. This was before I was ever diagnosed as having dystonia very soon after my car accident .   In spite of this the X-Ray showed nothing that time, but last year an endoscopic exam showed esophagitis for which I take daily medication that helps.   I find drinking water is a help too as well as getting into a different position if I have problems with acid reflux. My chest spasms were never as bad as you describe, feeling more like I had bronchitis, but having a hepa filter air purifier in my bedroom has helped them. I do hope this clears up. Best wishes, Rosemary

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The burning pain has became a little bit better, but now it ‘ think’ a horse has kicked into my stomach.

Thank you for answering.  I am familiar with your reference to being kicked by a horse:)   It  felt  like  heart attack.  I’ve  heard what it feels like described so often.  The doctor’s suggestion that it was muscles spasms had me puzzled, because I have dystonia for over thirty years and spasms have  always affected my right side.  This new developement had me worried.  I was sure it was a heart attack at the time but was relieved  to find out that it wasn’t so. Regards, Gene http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/ev/

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