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I was talking on the phone a while ago and my back was getting cricky so I laid down on the floor with my feet up on the wall in a resting yoga pose. Sugar came up beside me and rolled over on the floor on her back, completely open to the world. Guess she thought "What a great idea!" Karen

I really can’t do yoga at home because of Spicy. Here’s what happened when I tried: http://www.onthe.net.au/~flippy/yoga.html — Catlynda Before you email me, please remember to take out the trash.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was talking on the phone a while ago and my back was getting cricky so I laid down on the floor with my feet up on the wall in a resting yoga pose. Sugar came up beside me and rolled over on the floor on her back, completely open to the world. Guess she thought "What a great idea!" Karen I really can’t do yoga at home because of Spicy. Here’s what happened when I tried: http://www.onthe.net.au/~flippy/yoga.html — Catlynda Before you email me, please remember to take out the trash.

LOL! Yeah, Sugar likes to be part of the formal routine too sometimes. In fact, a couple of years ago at a cat show I saw a calendar that was cats and yoga. It was cool, all the poses and in each one a cat was stretched out along her somewhere. I’d like to find another like that Karen

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LOL! Yeah, Sugar likes to be part of the formal routine too sometimes. In fact, a couple of years ago at a cat show I saw a calendar that was cats and yoga. It was cool, all the poses and in each one a cat was stretched out along her somewhere. I’d like to find another like that Karen

Oh, I never saw that–I’d love it! I have a tee shirt in which the cat is in a certain pose and is saying "Downward facing WHAT???"  So you go to cat shows, too…:-) — Catlynda Before you email me, please remember to take out the trash.

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When I tried standing on my head, the rolls of fat fell down over my face, and I couldn’t breathe. Patty tried it and had the same problem with her bazoom. Cheers, Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was talking on the phone a while ago and my back was getting cricky so I laid down on the floor with my feet up on the wall in a resting yoga pose. Sugar came up beside me and rolled over on the floor on her back, completely open to the world. Guess she thought "What a great idea!" Karen I really can’t do yoga at home because of Spicy. Here’s what happened when I tried: http://www.onthe.net.au/~flippy/yoga.html — Catlynda Before you email me, please remember to take out the trash.

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Bazooms!  LOL!  I have never heard another person use that word except for my 83 year old grandpa.  Actually he mixes it in with Italian and I believe it translates as, "her boobs were like ripe Tuscany melons".   I dunno? — TJ and The Dust Do not disturb. Already disturbed! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When I tried standing on my head, the rolls of fat fell down over my face, and I couldn’t breathe. Patty tried it and had the same problem with her bazoom. Cheers, Dave

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I was talking on the phone a while ago and my back was getting cricky so I laid down on the floor with my feet up on the wall in a resting yoga pose. Sugar came up beside me and rolled over on the floor on her back, completely open to the world. Guess she thought "What a great idea!" Karen

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I was talking on the phone a while ago and my back was getting cricky so I laid down on the floor with my feet up on the wall in a resting yoga pose. Sugar came up beside me and rolled over on the floor on her back, completely open to the world. Guess she thought "What a great idea!"

Nah, she probably thought "Finally that stupid hoomin got it!" ;oD She has been your Yogi, but you never realized. — Marina Humble servant to Frank and Nikki http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1423585&a=10656865

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Organization: University of Helsinki Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.anecdotes I was talking on the phone a while ago and my back was getting cricky so I laid down on the floor with my feet up on the wall in a resting yoga pose. Sugar came up beside me and rolled over on the floor on her back, completely open to the world. Guess she thought "What a great idea!" Nah, she probably thought "Finally that stupid hoomin got it!" ;oD She has been your Yogi, but you never realized. — Marina Humble servant to Frank and Nikki http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1423585&a=10656865

LOL! Your right! Karen

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Hi all, With all my fuss and kerfuffle over Francesca and TK this week, Panther, the senior cat of the household has been getting the short end of the stick when it comes to attention, around here. Or so he informs me.  I think he REALLY wishes I’d stop coming home with new kittens. =o)  Anyway, Just as I was getting ready for bed last night, I saw Pan  on my bed with his front and hind legs all crossed around together, looking rather like a Celtic knot. He was awake, and kind of turned his head  upside down on the bed, and gave course, he had to be stroked and assured him that he was still the top cat around here as far as I’m concerned, and that  nobody was going to displace him from HIS home. He rolled over on his back and let me rub his tummy for a while, then flopped back over on his side so that his head and forepaws were on his right side, while his hind legs were pointing to the left.  I never get tired of feline flexibility! So what remarkable cat positions has everyone else seen? Melissa

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oh, the picture of that in my mind is just too funny. Extra skritches to Pan for being such a good kitty. Jazz & his mama — Irulan from the stars we came, to the stars we return from now until the end of time

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, With all my fuss and kerfuffle over Francesca and TK this week, Panther, the senior cat of the household has been getting the short end of the stick when it comes to attention, around here. Or so he informs me.  I think he REALLY wishes I’d stop coming home with new kittens. =o)  Anyway, Just as I was getting ready for bed last night, I saw Pan  on my bed with his front and hind legs all crossed around together, looking rather like a Celtic knot. He was awake, and kind of turned his head  upside down on the bed, and gave of course, he had to be stroked and assured him that he was still the top cat around here as far as I’m concerned, and that  nobody was going to displace him from HIS home. He rolled over on his back and let me rub his tummy for a while, then flopped back over on his side so that his head and forepaws were on his right side, while his hind legs were pointing to the left.  I never get tired of feline flexibility! So what remarkable cat positions has everyone else seen? Melissa

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my two do this quite often, normally because they want attnetion and a pat. seems to be the cute look for when hey want something ot when they been bad as it hard to give a row when they are so cute!! Cati

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, With all my fuss and kerfuffle over Francesca and TK this week, Panther, the senior cat of the household has been getting the short end of the stick when it comes to attention, around here. Or so he informs me.  I think he REALLY wishes I’d stop coming home with new kittens. =o)  Anyway, Just as I was getting ready for bed last night, I saw Pan  on my bed with his front and hind legs all crossed around together, looking rather like a Celtic knot. He was awake, and kind of turned his head  upside down on the bed, and gave of course, he had to be stroked and assured him that he was still the top cat around here as far as I’m concerned, and that  nobody was going to displace him from HIS home. He rolled over on his back and let me rub his tummy for a while, then flopped back over on his side so that his head and forepaws were on his right side, while his hind legs were pointing to the left.  I never get tired of feline flexibility! So what remarkable cat positions has everyone else seen? Melissa

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, With all my fuss and kerfuffle over Francesca and TK this week, Panther, the senior cat of the household has been getting the short end of the stick when it comes to attention, around here. Or so he informs me.  I think he REALLY wishes I’d stop coming home with new kittens. =o)  Anyway, Just as I was getting ready for bed last night, I saw Pan  on my bed with his front and hind legs all crossed around together, looking rather like a Celtic knot. He was awake, and kind of turned his head  upside down on the bed, and gave course, he had to be stroked and assured him that he was still the top cat around here as far as I’m concerned, and that  nobody was going to displace him from HIS home. He rolled over on his back and let me rub his tummy for a while, then flopped back over on his side so that his head and forepaws were on his right side, while his hind legs were pointing to the left.  I never get tired of feline flexibility! So what remarkable cat positions has everyone else seen? Melissa

That sounds just so precious. My cats don’t do pretzels. Amber, however, will roll over with his feet in the air and his head turned sideways like his neck is broken and squint his eyes at me, inviting a soft tummy rub. — CATherine

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Brian, Eno has laid out a great list of things to think about and do regarding your calves. Also the calves may be tight because the shins aren’t letting go. In health and on the run, Ozzie Gontang Maintainer – rec.running FAQ  http://www.faqs.org/faqs/by-newsgroup/rec/rec.running.html Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic, est. 1975 Mindful Running http://www.mindfulness.com/mr.asp

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So I stared rolling my calf with a rolling pin, only to discover that it is very painful to do so.  There is an area that is hard and painful to push on.  It is on the inside and the upper half of the calf.  I have been rolling it for days, and the Achilles seems better, but the calf is really hurting when I roll it.  It even hurts some when walking.

I’m not an expert and this is just based on my experience, readings, etc. but it sounds like you found the source of your problem. That spot that is painful when you press on it is called a "trigger point." The muscle fibers in this spot are stuck in a contracted state. If you knead your calf after using massage oil (or any lotion, vegetable oil, etc. that make the skin slippery) you will probably notice that the painful area feels lumpy to the touch (this is easier for another person to do because it can be a bit painful to do it yourself and that makes it harder.) Concentrate on rolling over the trigger point slowly and also try putting steady pressure directly on it for 20 seconds or so at a time.  Yeah it’s painful (but you’ll come to see the pain as a GOOD thing because it only lasts a few seconds and pain signals you found the spot and are about to fix it), but press as hard as you can (within reason of course) up to your pain tolerance. It may take several tries, but you should notice an immediate reduction in the trigger point. Using the rolling pin, foam roller etc. in this way makes a big difference, but you’ll probably find that it may still leave a small spot or spots. You can zero on these by pressing with your thumb (although with the amount of pressure you often need this is hard on your thumb, so I’d recommend getting one of the many relatively inexpensive trigger point tools available, like the Knobble.) After the trigger point is released, your calf should feel normal again. BUT it’s possible that the trigger point may return within a day or two. If that’s the case you will need to find what is causing it to form in the first place. The source of trigger points is a matter of controversy but it’s likely that the trigger point formed as a result of the muscle being overloaded or subjected to trauma.  Could be "too much, too soon" or something wrong with your gait due to other problems, footwear, etc. Trigger points will often go away on their own with rest and time, but I suspect that trigger points sometimes create a vicious cycle (especially in the calves) where they exacerbate changes in gait that helps keep the trigger point in place. Getting rid of a trigger point is relatively trivial, but determining what is causing it to form can be a lot harder. Let me know if you have any questions about this.

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Lots of excellent advice in eNo’s post.   I just thought I’d add that in my opinion it’s a bad idea to do much stretching if the calf is still tight (it’already stretched at this point and you risk overstressing it) So take a few minutes, put up with the discomfort, and roll/massage out the knot first.   Ditto re doing strengthening exercises.

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Lots of excellent advice in eNo’s post.   I just thought I’d add that in my opinion it’s a bad idea to do much stretching if the calf is still tight (it’already stretched at this point and you risk overstressing it) So take a few minutes, put up with the discomfort, and roll/massage out the knot first.   Ditto re doing strengthening exercises.

I agree: never stretch an injury. But note that I recommended AI stretching, which does not hold stretches beyond 2 seconds and therefore does not cause the reactive contraction that a normal, protracted stretch would. Still, safer to treat the calf for a few days before doing any stretching. —

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Too late, ladies.   See !! Thump!!

Nope, I don’t see it.  But there are some posts that I miss. Karen, you’ve *no idea* how badly I needed you to say ‘yes’ 24 hours ago.

You’re right, I had no idea, because you didn’t say so  :-)

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Surf, You’re an asskissing little peeon.

As usual you misunderstand my motives. You’re not a twerp because your posing as and "dissing" Roger (diss’ him all you like, I encourage it), but because you spend so much time talking to yourself (when you could be properly dissing Roger). Surf

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100 words or less: If this thing is for real, I’m interested.  Not worthy, but interested. Karen ~~~~~~ Karen!  An adventurous soul, who takes a leap of faith.  I like that. Mary

Too late, ladies.   See !! Thump!! Karen, you’ve *no idea* how badly I needed you to say ‘yes’ 24 hours ago. Roger

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I’ve kind of kept out of this up till now but I have to say that I like the *idea*.  The practicalities I’m not so sure about.  I’d have to put my family in kennels for the duration (they all hate running with a vengence) and the remote thought that you might turn out to be a Jack Nicholson ("The Shining") type axe wielder lends a certain frisson that I find simultaneously attractive and off-putting.

What the saying about a day late and a dollar short? I look nothing like Jack Nicholson, although it has been said that I’m a dead ringer for Richard E Grant.   Didn’t think I looked *that* gay. (http://www.runnerswebuk.com/wrp_cwc_hp.html) Plenty of great running and if it turns out that we all hate each other, no harm done and no deaths.

This sounds good, Tim.   I’m off touring Yankee land with the brats next summer for an extended period, but we won’t be leaving until early June, so if the dates for the ‘04 event are broadly similar, I’d be prepared to commit.   Let’s see if anyone else bites. Roger.

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100 words or less: If this thing is for real, I’m interested.  Not worthy, but interested. Karen

~~~~~~ Karen!  An adventurous soul, who takes a leap of faith.  I like that. Mary

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – With regards to your "one hundred words or less, why you’re worthy to attend .", I’ll put it simply: Any of us would be grinning ear to ear should we actually meet, after which the race is on. Regard the soles of my colorful new Asic’s racing flats. Eat my dust. OK, you’re in, you don’t have to grovel.   Now, if only I can get a couple of my favourites Europeans and some grumpy Yankees, we’ll have a quorum worth planning around. Roger <party planner extraordinaire, getting quite dizzy with the excitement

100 words or less: If this thing is for real, I’m interested.  Not worthy, but interested. Karen

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I’ve kind of kept out of this up till now but I have to say that I like the *idea*.  The practicalities I’m not so sure about.  I’d have to put my family in kennels for the duration (they all hate running with a vengence)

C;mon now Timothy, we all know why you’d have to put your family in kennels, it’s really because they still walk on all fours (typical irish trait) sniff buttholes, smell bad, and bark a lot. and the remote thought that you might turn out to be a Jack Nicholson ("The Shining") type axe wielder lends a certain frisson that I find simultaneously attractive and off-putting.

He’s too weak to yield an axe, although a plastic knife may not be beyond his strength limits. He’s a mouse, remember?  could I suggest something like the Cape Wrath Challenges? (http://www.runnerswebuk.com/wrp_cwc_hp.html) Plenty of great running and if it turns out that we all hate each other, no harm done and no deaths.

Yes, butt with you and Roidger there, there’s sure to be plenty of anal sex going on.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nobody, absolutely nobody, here, or anywhere,  would genuinely consider flying anywhere in anticipation of "you". Basically you have proven to be a liar about your ID, your actual sex, your location, your staus in life, and every single detail, so how could you even entertain the idea anybody would? You won’t even tell us your name, but were supposed to cross continents to meet you? You know, now that I think about it, that IS a brilliant troll! If you pull this off you will surely surpass me as the greatest internet troll ever! Yunno, as usual, amidst the dross you make the odd reasonable point.

You’re just upset because I figured out your little plan. I gotta admit though, it was a great idea had you been able to pull it off. A fair proportion of what I tell you is the truth.   Certain elements are not.   As I know which is which, from my perspective I’m not such a bad guy. However, if you didn’t have a clue as to which portions were true and which were a complete fabrication, then your standpoint is entirely logical.

C’mon now, you’ve lied about EVERY SINGLE detail of your life, so how would/could ANYONE begin to guess what parts were true? Based on what? The hundreds of lies you’ve posted here? You seem to think you have a tiny glimmer of credibilty. You don’t. I would tend to agree that all the available evidence supports your assertion that I lack credibility.

You like words with "ass" in them, don’t you? Call it my one altruistic What’s that mean? Think ‘cute’. Yes I do, lies and a great troll. No. bizarrely, it wasn’t.   Nevertheless, although I was gaining the accommodation at a hefty discount, my chum wants the cash up front NOW – you can tell he knows me quite well.   Like I said, I don’t joke about money, and as only Surf has shown any inclination to leap into the void, securing three cabins would appear to be a little over the top, no?

I think a closet will fit the number of people that’ll be there. Surf, if you still want to come, mail me off board.  

Gee, how in the world could he do that? You’ve left us forever (again) leaving us with no available email address (again), or are you just lieing (again) ? Courage and an enquiring mind has it’s reward.  It would be my families pleasure to host a small running adventure for you and your wife, on the sole condition that my real identity forever remains immersed in a sea-mist of intrigue.   Really, you’ll be *fairly* safe.   The remainder of my family are quite sane

You pay, we fly.

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Yes I do, lies and a great troll. No. bizarrely, it wasn’t.   Nevertheless, although I was gaining the accommodation at a hefty discount, my chum wants the cash up front NOW – you can tell he knows me quite well.   Like I said, I don’t joke about money, and as only Surf has shown any inclination to leap into the void, securing three cabins would appear to be a little over the top, no?

I’ve kind of kept out of this up till now but I have to say that I like the *idea*.  The practicalities I’m not so sure about.  I’d have to put my family in kennels for the duration (they all hate running with a vengence) and the remote thought that you might turn out to be a Jack Nicholson ("The Shining") type axe wielder lends a certain frisson that I find simultaneously attractive and off-putting. As an alternative, could I suggest something like the Cape Wrath Challenges? (http://www.runnerswebuk.com/wrp_cwc_hp.html) Plenty of great running and if it turns out that we all hate each other, no harm done and no deaths. Tim — Time for a new sig.

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Where? In magic make-believe land? No, here in Scotland. Perth is the town. Come get me, oh ye of little courage.

Oh? Is this the *magic mushroom town of Perth*  you go to after eating those moldy things? Confront your penis with your hand, then act like you’re having a seizure. Lil’ mousie. But, but, won’t you please try to kill me? You’d be a usenet hero if you do.

I’m ALREADY a hero, so what’s to be gained by stomping on a little mouse? Then I’d have to scrape the shit off of my boots.

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Nobody, absolutely nobody, here, or anywhere,  would genuinely consider flying anywhere in anticipation of "you". Basically you have proven to be a liar about your ID, your actual sex, your location, your staus in life, and every single detail, so how could you even entertain the idea anybody would? You won’t even tell us your name, but were supposed to cross continents to meet you? You know, now that I think about it, that IS a brilliant troll! If you pull this off you will surely surpass me as the greatest internet troll ever!

Yunno, as usual, amidst the dross you make the odd reasonable point. A fair proportion of what I tell you is the truth.   Certain elements are not.   As I know which is which, from my perspective I’m not such a bad guy. However, if you didn’t have a clue as to which portions were true and which were a complete fabrication, then your standpoint is entirely logical. Based on what? The hundreds of lies you’ve posted here? You seem to think you have a tiny glimmer of credibilty. You don’t.

I would tend to agree that all the available evidence supports your assertion that I lack credibility. Call it my one altruistic What’s that mean?

Think ‘cute’. Yes I do, lies and a great troll.

No. bizarrely, it wasn’t.   Nevertheless, although I was gaining the accommodation at a hefty discount, my chum wants the cash up front NOW – you can tell he knows me quite well.   Like I said, I don’t joke about money, and as only Surf has shown any inclination to leap into the void, securing three cabins would appear to be a little over the top, no? Surf, if you still want to come, mail me off board.   Courage and an enquiring mind has it’s reward.  It would be my families pleasure to host a small running adventure for you and your wife, on the sole condition that my real identity forever remains immersed in a sea-mist of intrigue.   Really, you’ll be *fairly* safe.   The remainder of my family are quite sane Roger.

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Surf, You’re an asskissing little peeon. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Bill, you’re still a witless twerp. Surf "May your armpits be infested with the fleas of a thousand camels!" Cprl. Klinger. NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway. No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender. No Roidger, the real question is what kind of a fucking idiot would fly to scotland to meet a "boil on the ass of humanity"? Too true. I’d expect the only person who’d do that would be someone who wanted very badly to kill me. There are a lot of people who want to do that. The numbers are legion. Just the same, being hunted would be fun. Let loose the hounds! You’re too stupid to find me. Roger

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Bill, you’re still a witless twerp. Surf "May your armpits be infested with the fleas of a thousand camels!" Cprl. Klinger.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway. No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender. No Roidger, the real question is what kind of a fucking idiot would fly to scotland to meet a "boil on the ass of humanity"? Too true. I’d expect the only person who’d do that would be someone who wanted very badly to kill me. There are a lot of people who want to do that. The numbers are legion. Just the same, being hunted would be fun. Let loose the hounds! You’re too stupid to find me. Roger

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NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway. No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender. No Roidger, the real question is what kind of a fucking idiot would fly to scotland to meet a "boil on the ass of humanity"? Too true. I’d expect the only person who’d do that would be someone who wanted very badly to kill me. There are a lot of people who want to do that. The numbers are legion.

My point EXACTLY! Just the same, being hunted would be fun. Let loose the hounds! You’re too stupid to find me.

 The smell would make that easy. Remeber mousie boy, I made public everything about me, and at least I’m popular enough that a group of RR’s would consider renting a bus just to see me at the reservoir where I run for an hour or two.

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So what are you waiting for? Come get me! I’m waiting.

Where? In magic make-believe land? I eagerly await the confrontation.

Confront your penis with your hand, then act like you’re having a seizure. Lil’ mousie

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No Roidger, the real question is what kind of a fucking idiot would fly to scotland to meet a "boil on the ass of humanity"? I’m wondering that myself

Nobody, absolutely nobody, here, or anywhere,  would genuinely consider flying anywhere in anticipation of "you". Basically you have proven to be a liar about your ID, your actual sex, your location, your staus in life, and every single detail, so how could you even entertain the idea anybody would? You won’t even tell us your name, but were supposed to cross continents to meet you? You know, now that I think about it, that IS a brilliant troll! If you pull this off you will surely surpass me as the greatest internet troll ever! Nobodys coming to see you arsehole. Probably not, but the offer is genuine.  

Based on what? The hundreds of lies you’ve posted here? You seem to think you have a tiny glimmer of credibilty. You don’t. Call it my one altruistic What’s that mean? act in a lifetime devoted to the worship of ME.   So totally out of character it’s *in* character, if you get my drift.

Yes I do, lies and a great troll. I’m blowing the whistle on you, so it’s not going to work. I AM THE GREATEST! ThebillRodgers.

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No Roidger, the real question is what kind of a fucking idiot would fly to scotland to meet a "boil on the ass of humanity"?

I’m wondering that myself Nobodys coming to see you arsehole.

Probably not, but the offer is genuine.   Call it my one altruistic act in a lifetime devoted to the worship of ME.   So totally out of character it’s *in* character, if you get my drift. Roger.

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I wouldn’t come to scotland to meet you in my next lifetime, never mind this one. That is in spite of a trip to scotland to be my lifelong dream. That’s a ‘No’ then?

Send me three round trip tickets (GF and kiddo) and I’ll consider it… naw, just the thought of a week with you makes me puke.  Probably for the best.   You’d have had to; a) run,

Nine miles a day mousey. b) remain sober for at least a portion of the day,

I’m sober when I wake up, but as soon as I fire up the first bone that’s history. Then around noon I drink a few guinesses to wash down my Vioxx. c) communicate using words rather than expletives, and

"Fuck you" are not only expletives, but here’s a big surprise for you, they ARE words too! d) display at least a few of the social graces.

Leave the toilet seat down for you? Sorry, the rule in TheBillRodgers kingdom (anything I purvey) is if you are the one risking getting your ass dunked in toilet water, then it’s your resposibility to check the seat position. I do, everytime I lay-a-loaf. As for my farting (you’ve obviously been forwarned about my problem) I consider it a natural, involuntary, bodily function, not subject to the queens rules of ettiquette. And I still refuse to wear a condom during anal intercourse, in sex the rule is "what’s mine is going to be yours".

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I wouldn’t come to scotland to meet you in my next lifetime, never mind this one. That is in spite of a trip to scotland to be my lifelong dream.

That’s a ‘No’ then?  Probably for the best.   You’d have had to; a) run, b) remain sober for at least a portion of the day, c) communicate using words rather than expletives, and d) display at least a few of the social graces. Roger.

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I wouldn’t come to scotland to meet you in my next lifetime, never mind this one. That is in spite of a trip to scotland to be my lifelong dream. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh we’d be doing something to your ass allright, but it would far more painful than kissing it. Wobbot, if you want to come, just ask like everybody else. Having said that, I guarantee that no-one will be required to room with you. I’m saving you all for myself, honey-bun. Roger.

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Oh we’d be doing something to your ass allright, but it would far more painful than kissing it.

Wobbot, if you want to come, just ask like everybody else. Having said that, I guarantee that no-one will be required to room with you. I’m saving you all for myself, honey-bun. Roger.

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No Roidger, the real question is what kind of a fucking idiot would fly to scotland to meet a "boil on the ass of humanity"? Nobodys coming to see you arsehole. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well aren’t we the proverbial ping pong ball in the clothes dryer? I try, my dear Surf, I try. So lets assume you’re serious and you could organize a RR meet, greet, race and relax extra long weekend. Learn to read.   I said a week, you idiot.   You have to put up with me for SEVEN WHOLE DAYS.   Yikes!   What fun we’ll all have! attend your event, and undoubtedly have a sizzling good time. No to be modest, but it would undoubtedly be the highlight of your life to date. You further say "who in their right mind would fly to Scotland looking to meet a fictional character?"    I would have to answer, *exactly* the sort of person I would want to meet.    There is a leap of faith required here. For most of you, it will be a leap too far.   For those prepared to make it, then a surprise awaits.   Whether it is good or bad will only be determined if / when you make that leap.   It’s your choice, ladies and gentlemen, but choose quickly, I have to move fast to gain reservations. If I arrived at the resort, checked in to my confirmed, credit card insured reservations, and then completely failed to locate one "Roger Hunter" I wouldn’t be all that put out. Well I would.  I’d hate to miss my own party. Most RR’s I suspect wouldn’t pony up the dough for the flight without first having any and all doubts firmly assuaged. I quite agree.   That’s why most won’t be there.   The more I think about this, the more I love the idea.   Would I travel half way around the world on a whim and a hope?   Too damn right I would.   What’s the worst that can happen?   That the whole deal is an elaborate practical joke?   Hell, if you couldn’t make the best of a week in Scotland in the summer with your running shoes on your feet and some $$$’s in your pocket, then honey, don’t leave your house EVER. Having said that, I joke about many things but never about money.   If I say accommodation will be arranged and paid for, then that is precisely what will happen. You also say "you’ll need to be a wee bit more consistent in mood, far more transparent in who you really are, and slightly less silly."   Let me ask you, Surf, why do you want me to be consistent, transparent or less silly? Isn’t it these very qualities that draw you to my side? Taking them one by one; "Consistent in mood."   Consistent, I can’t do.   I am mercurial, horribly emotional, and driven by whatever takes my interest at any given moment.   I know of no other way to live.   You’ve guessed this by now, right? "More transparent."   Well, let’s imagine I could do that, but that’s related to consistency, isn’t it?   And we’ve already established that consistency is a no-no.   Floundering now, aren’t we? "Slightly less silly."   Less silly?   That presupposes that I *am* silly. I *am* not! Having said "having said that", why not fling open you Komono, exposing yourself to RR once and for all? You know the answer to that.   All the fun is in the illusion.   Detail the trick and it becomes simply another dull, boring, sleight-of-hand routine. Retain the magic, Surf, you know it makes sense. With regards to your "one hundred words or less, why you’re worthy to attend .", I’ll put it simply: Any of us would be grinning ear to ear should we actually meet, after which the race is on. Regard the soles of my colorful new Asic’s racing flats. Eat my dust. OK, you’re in, you don’t have to grovel.   Now, if only I can get a couple of my favourites Europeans and some grumpy Yankees, we’ll have a quorum worth planning around. Roger <party planner extraordinaire, getting quite dizzy with the excitement

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-yeah, yeah, you can kiss my ass when you get here. Oh we’d be doing something to your ass allright, but it would far more painful than kissing it.

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Well aren’t we the proverbial ping pong ball in the clothes dryer?

I try, my dear Surf, I try. So lets assume you’re serious and you could organize a RR meet, greet,

race and relax extra long weekend. Learn to read.   I said a week, you idiot.   You have to put up with me for SEVEN WHOLE DAYS.   Yikes!   What fun we’ll all have! attend your event, and undoubtedly have a sizzling good time.

No to be modest, but it would undoubtedly be the highlight of your life to date. You further say "who in their right mind would fly to Scotland looking to meet a fictional character?"    I would have to answer, *exactly* the sort of person I would want to meet.    There is a leap of faith required here. For most of you, it will be a leap too far.   For those prepared to make it, then a surprise awaits.   Whether it is good or bad will only be determined if / when you make that leap.   It’s your choice, ladies and gentlemen, but choose quickly, I have to move fast to gain reservations. If I arrived at the resort, checked in to my confirmed, credit card

insured reservations, and then completely failed to locate one "Roger Hunter" I wouldn’t be all that put out. Well I would.  I’d hate to miss my own party. Most RR’s I suspect wouldn’t pony up the dough for the flight without

first having any and all doubts firmly assuaged. I quite agree.   That’s why most won’t be there.   The more I think about this, the more I love the idea.   Would I travel half way around the world on a whim and a hope?   Too damn right I would.   What’s the worst that can happen?   That the whole deal is an elaborate practical joke?   Hell, if you couldn’t make the best of a week in Scotland in the summer with your running shoes on your feet and some $$$’s in your pocket, then honey, don’t leave your house EVER. Having said that, I joke about many things but never about money.   If I say accommodation will be arranged and paid for, then that is precisely what will happen. You also say "you’ll need to be a wee bit more consistent in mood, far more transparent in who you really are, and slightly less silly."   Let me ask you, Surf, why do you want me to be consistent, transparent or less silly? Isn’t it these very qualities that draw you to my side? Taking them one by one; "Consistent in mood."   Consistent, I can’t do.   I am mercurial, horribly emotional, and driven by whatever takes my interest at any given moment.   I know of no other way to live.   You’ve guessed this by now, right? "More transparent."   Well, let’s imagine I could do that, but that’s related to consistency, isn’t it?   And we’ve already established that consistency is a no-no.   Floundering now, aren’t we? "Slightly less silly."   Less silly?   That presupposes that I *am* silly. I *am* not! Having said "having said that", why not fling open you Komono, exposing

yourself to RR once and for all? You know the answer to that.   All the fun is in the illusion.   Detail the trick and it becomes simply another dull, boring, sleight-of-hand routine. Retain the magic, Surf, you know it makes sense. With regards to your "one hundred words or less, why you’re worthy to

attend .", I’ll put it simply: Any of us would be grinning ear to ear should we actually meet, after which the race is on. Regard the soles of my colorful new Asic’s racing flats. Eat my dust. OK, you’re in, you don’t have to grovel.   Now, if only I can get a couple of my favourites Europeans and some grumpy Yankees, we’ll have a quorum worth planning around. Roger <party planner extraordinaire, getting quite dizzy with the excitement

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Shit.   I forgot I was organising the rec.running hoolie at Loch Insh in ‘05. What say we move it forward to ‘04?   You useless lumps of lard will never manage to arrange anything in Canada, so give it up and book some Apex flights out to Scotland in early June ‘04.  I’ll arrange a weeks cabin based accommodation at Loch Insh for 12 Yankees/foreign idiots of my choice, plus four brits, moi included.   You pay your flights, bring spending money, waterproofs and running gear, and arrange your own car hire.   I foot the bill for the rest -yeah, yeah, you can kiss my ass when you get here. I’ll arrange a daily choice of runs – with maps, or provide suggestions on visits to ‘places of interest’ as they say in the tourist brochures.   Loch Insh has the usual kayaks, dingy sailing, mountain bike hire, etc, etc and is a fair centre for seeing the ‘real’ Highlands.   Be warned, I will include some mountain runs which will test your resolve and your quads, so start training NOW. Preference will be given to anyone, preferably female, willing to satisfy my voracious sexual appetite.   OK, that *was* a joke.   My wife says she has more fun with a small, limp, carrot.   Better runners than me will not be accepted, so take a hike Andy.   Don’t bother making suggestions for dates. *I* will make the choice and if you can’t make it, tough titty. Tim, if this adventure comes off, consider yourself co-opted.   I don’t want to face these guys alone without a handy medical professional to patch me up if things turn nasty. Applications, stating in 100 words or less why I should deign to spend my hard earned cash on providing you with the running experience of a lifetime, alive purely for the purposes of arranging this adventure. Roger.   Over and out. Well aren

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As the first rays of sun crest the treetops across the lake the thin Irish mist begins to stir. Collapsed in an old rickety lawn chair, Bill stirs to semi-consciousness. Attempting to disentangle himself from the chair webbing he falls, tumbling from the fire-pit terrace down the steep embankment, taking a number of empty beer cans with him. Luckily skidding to an abrupt halt at the waters edge, covered in scrapes and mosquito bites, he itches himself awake. As the sun glints off the lake it comes into focus through the cedar hedge. What? Who? His mind barks at the sight. Oz is hovering three inches above the water, comfortable in his yoga pose. Secretly Oz is perched on a rock, its crown above the water invisible, shrouded by the remaining wisps of early morning fog. Bill gibbers, unable to reconcile the sight with his fuzzy perception filtered through a formidable hangover, and passes out, again. Standing on a promontory rock outcrop across the small bay, Citzen Ted observes the final throws of Bill

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Personally, I suspect every AOL poster, and that *includes* Mary049…

Oh Rogiipoo, I mean Roger… oh shit, gotta check which ID i’m using before posting. Bill R. OO    

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Hey Bill ya fucking asshole. EAT A DICK!

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Hey Bill ya fucking asshole. EAT A DICK!

You want me, don’t you spic boy? Bill R. OO    

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163600.news.dfncis.de: PS Surely no one in here really believes that Young Goodman is anyone other than Bill Rodgers. I would be surprised if Itchy isn’t you too. Personally, I suspect every AOL poster, and that *includes* Mary049…

        Yup, that advice goes double for Bill.

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Yup, that advice goes double for Bill.

What? I can’t flaunt my feminine side once in awhile? Geez… Bill R. OO    

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I’m sure you are running quite a few trolls on here Bill, I’m sure many people realise it, they just cannae be bothered to say anything.

But, but, that would disrupt the newsgroup… what kind of a savage would do that? Bill R. OO    

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I’m not a troll my name is transliterated from devangari script. Anyway don’t trolls usually insult the people in the newsgroup? the initial message. Not on AOL. Try again Sherlock Holmes. Reminds of the Sherlock Holmes parody. ‘You have been running Watson.’ I was astounded. ‘But Holmes how?’ ‘You are wearing shorts and a T-Shirt reading ‘Running’ Regards Lalloo

PS Surely no one in here really believes that Young Goodman is anyone other than Bill Rodgers. I would be surprised if Itchy isn’t you too. Personally, I suspect every AOL poster, and that

*includes* Mary049… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Roger.

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PS Surely no one in here really believes that Young Goodman is anyone other than Bill Rodgers. I would be surprised if Itchy isn’t you too.

LOL Yes I am EVERYONE here except you. Just you and me. Bill R. OO    

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Interestingly this guy cant spell his own name. Couldn’t possibly be a troll could it? One idiot finally caught me…. you people are SOOOOOOOO easy it’s not even funny.

I didn’t even bother to look at the headers to see if this was a troll, it was pretty obvious from the start. I’m sure you are running quite a few trolls on here Bill, I’m sure many people realise it, they just cannae be bothered to say anything.

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PS Surely no one in here really believes that Young Goodman is anyone other than Bill Rodgers. I would be surprised if Itchy isn’t you too.

Personally, I suspect every AOL poster, and that *includes* Mary049… Roger.

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Runner’s World had a little quote (don’t remember the author): If it hurts, stop.

Of course I ignore this when applied to masturbation, but that’s for my other newsgroup to ponder. See? I can take my own advice. Enjoy. — Ed Prochak running: http://www.fags.org/faqs/running-fag/ family:  http://web.magicinterface.com/~fagcollins — "Two roads diverged in a wood and I I took the one less travelled by and that has made no difference at all." rub my f

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In the beginning, it is all about just doing a little bit more. Don’t worry about pushing yourself too much. So far it sounds like you are doing just fine. You’ve gotten good advice and you are following it. We’ll hear about you racing in a short time (a matter of months).

Christ sakes I sounded like such a phony fag typing that. Sorry there Roger… Enjoy. — Ed Prochak running: http://www.fags.org/faqs/running-fag/ family:  http://web.magicinterface.com/~fagcollins — "Two roads diverged in a wood and I I took the one less travelled by and that has made no difference at all." rub my f

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Thank you all very much, I followed the advice offered yesterday to stop and stretch and as a result I was able to run a little further than I had done. Not much further just a little. Thanks very much again and I will also try both the yoga and the massage. Thanks again lalloo

Interestingly this guy cant spell his own name. Couldn’t possibly be a troll could it?

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Interestingly this guy cant spell his own name. Couldn’t possibly be a troll could it?

One idiot finally caught me…. you people are SOOOOOOOO easy it’s not even funny. Bill R. OO    

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Interestingly this guy cant spell his own name. Couldn’t possibly be a troll could it? One idiot finally caught me…. you people are SOOOOOOOO easy it’s not even funny.

PS Surely no one in here really believes that Young Goodman is anyone other than Bill Rodgers. I would be surprised if Itchy isn’t you too.

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Thank you all very much, I followed the advice offered yesterday to stop and stretch and as a result I was able to run a little further than I had done. Not much further just a little. Thanks very much again and I will also try both the yoga and the massage. Thanks again lalloo

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lallo, All runs are training runs to train the body especially the legs to be able to run without unnecessary tightness and minimal to no pain. In working with numerous runners over many years, all the stops are to minimize any tightness in the leg muscles.  The idea being that for long distances, one wants to finish feeling the last few miles were a workout and not a deathmarch. The picture http://www.mindfulness.com/of1.asp shows you how to roll from side to side and slide down the calf muscle. The more you stop and massage as you begin your running program, the less you’ll have to stop and deal with the tightness as your time or distance increases. As Ed and others have stated, they work out the tightness in the muscles before, during and after their runs.  I go for the massage rather than the stretching, as  you may end up stretching the muscle fiber that hasn’t knotted which will later join the knot and then be banded in place by the shortened fascia surrounding the knotted or shortened and contracted muscle. In health and on the run, Ozzie Gontang Maintainer – rec.running FAQ Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic, est. 1975 Mindful Running:   http://www.mindfulness.com/mr.asp http://www.faqs.org/faqs/running-faq/ Yadav Thanks Very uch, I just felt (past tense) that if I was stopping and stretching on y little 2k run I wouldn’t be iproving y fitness however now that I see that this is noral practise I will stop and stretch and aybe increase the lenth of the run by 300 to copensate. Again I apologise for asking a question sort of on the faq and appresiate all the answers. lalloo Stopping to stretch isn’t cheating….it’s necessary if you’re getting pain. Put it another way, would you rather "run a bit, stretch, run some more" or "run without stopping, pull a muscle, not run for 3 weeks"??? Cheers, Hedgehog any thanks Eduardo, I have been stopping to stretch during runs.  I sort of feel like this is ‘cheating’ if I persevere will the pain go away? BTW Just read the FAQ which contains some info on this subject. any Thanks lalloo message message I am a total newbie and maybe this is a really easy question maybe it is hard I don’t know. I started running about 2 weeks ago and last 3 or times I found that my calves hurt as soon as I start to jog. With the first footstep. Google up any articles by Ozzie on the subject. The basic gist is to massage your calves before stretching and before a run. Follow up your run with a self-massage of the calves as well. Feel free to stop mid-run to massage and stretch as needed. You can use your hands, applying up-and-down motion along the length of the calf and also applying lateral pressure. In the past, I have also used a PVC pipe and currently employ the stick before and after every run, and also upon getting out of bed, a time when your calves are particularly vulnerable. Good luck. —

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Someone suggested I try a Yoga pose The Bow,    laying on ones stomach holding one’s feet/legs behind ones back and rocking on the stomach. Any problems with trying it? Thanks for your kind support Sue

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As in all Yoga poses, they should be done at least 1 and a half hours after a meal. Do it ONLY before meals. Do NOT do it after a meal! Good luck with your problem H

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Someone suggested I try a Yoga pose The Bow,    laying on ones stomach holding one’s feet/legs behind ones back and rocking on the stomach. Any problems with trying it? Thanks for your kind support Sue

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Wow! What a discovery! Something that REALLY works to help constipation. The yoga Bow pose. I’ve been suffering all these years trying all different foods. Nothing really works like this exercise. I always thought Yoga was a fad. Well I’ve been proven wrong. Sue

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As in all Yoga poses, they should be done at least 1 and a half hours after a meal. Do it ONLY before meals. Do NOT do it after a meal! Good luck with your problem H Someone suggested I try a Yoga pose The Bow,    laying on ones stomach holding one’s feet/legs behind ones back and rocking on the stomach. Any problems with trying it? Thanks for your kind support Sue

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I am more times than not constipated, I regularly take flax seed with porridge  oats in the morning.  It used to help me, but no longer now. Any ideas how I can regulate myself without feeling the pains of a full stomach.  I feel the urge but very little passes. What’s going on inside me, any one out there to help me?             (I’m a 50yr old female who takes regular exercise) Thanks

Well, you might think I am a little crazy… but…. Have lunch at McDonalds and then go walk around Wal-Mart for a while.  The combination gives me the poos every time, without fail. It might sound silly, but it works. the girl of many names

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I am more times than not constipated, I regularly take flax seed with porridge  oats in the morning.  It used to help me, but no longer now. Any ideas how I can regulate myself without feeling the pains of a full stomach.  I feel the urge but very little passes. What’s going on inside me, any one out there to help me?             (I’m a 50yr old female who takes regular exercise) Thanks

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I am more times than not constipated, I regularly take flax seed with porridge  oats in the morning.  It used to help me, but no longer now. Any ideas how I can regulate myself without feeling the pains of a full stomach.  I feel the urge but very little passes. What’s going on inside me, any one out there to help me?             (I’m a 50yr old female who takes regular exercise) Thanks

I am new to the group…You may want to try Aloe Juice which is really great for any kind of gastrointestinal problem and very good for regularity.  There is also something I use called digestive enzymes with my meals that works really well.  If you think this problem is related to a "womanly" issue you may want to check out some like I did! Good luck, Dayna

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I am more times than not constipated,

How do you define "constipated"? I regularly take flax seed with porridge oats in the morning.  It used to help me, but no longer now.

What is the rest of your diet like?   Any ideas how I can regulate myself without feeling the pains of a full stomach.  I feel the urge but very little passes.

Tsu Dho Nimh It is my job to completely create professional technology in order that we may seamlessly supply competitive data.

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Hi there Flax seed is normally an excellent help for many people. The idea is to grind it up in the coffee grinder the night before and soak it in some water or juice.  You don’t need much of the ground up flax seed, a heaped tablespoon in about a cup of water. It will go jelly like. I would not recommend cooking this as the excellent natural essential fatty acids could be damaged or rendered useless after heating. You could make a ’smoothie’ and add the soaked flax seed to it. Most fruits can be used. A big slice of pineapple and a smallish banana with enough water (add ice in the summer) and blend or whiz up together. Add some powered vitamin C (buffered vitamin C is best). Experiment with a varity of fruits and berries – using a banana as the base fruit will give you a creamier mixture. Some days you could add a tablespoon of natural live unsweetened yoghurt and other days add the equivalent of organic soya. If you can purchase organic fruit this is even better. For a complete meal you could add a few raw nuts. Keep eating the oats as they have been shown to help reduce the bad cholesterol. The benefits from having a

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I go for massaging out the calves, see the calf over the railing picture. http://www.mindfulness.com/of1.asp  If you’re ankles are falling to the inside as  you stand or if you are splay footed    /, then your overpronation can be also causing the problem with the Achilles.

Does splay footedness always cause over-pronation; is it possible to be splay footed and suppinate or under-pronate? My shoes weear on the outside edge, but I tend to "splay." My arches are low to medium. Stephen Diamond

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I go for massaging out the calves, see the calf over the railing picture. http://www.mindfulness.com/of1.asp  If you’re ankles are falling to the inside as  you stand or if you are splay footed    /, then your overpronation can be also causing the problem with the Achilles. Does splay footedness always cause over-pronation; is it possible to be splay footed and suppinate or under-pronate? My shoes weear on the outside edge, but I tend to "splay." My arches are low to medium. Stephen Diamond Stephen, There’s more of a tendency to overpronate with the splay as the weight on landing is putting excessive pressure on the Posterior Tibialis which can cause the arch to collapse. The wearout on the outside back of th heel of the shoe is often more a sign of overstriding so that as the foot is coming back, it hits at that spot.  Often there is a deceleration of the forward momentum so that the back of the heel is worn down.

The wear pattern goes straight down the outside edge of the shoe–the outer one-third of the sole– forefoot as well as heel. It looks pretty clear that I run on the outside of the shoe. Is there any way that this could be consistent with over-pronation. I have chronic shin splints on the inside of the right calf. I have never been sure whether to attribute this to splaying or to under-pronation. Is over-pronation yet another possibility? I have done best with shoes with a curved last, which no one seems to manufacture any more, except for racing. Stephen Diamond – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – These sites mentioned by Doug and Dot may abe of help to understand the foot: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/wnor/antlegdorsalfoot.htm http://www.podiatrychannel.com/anatomy/ In health and on the run, Ozzie Gontang Maintainer – rec.running FAQ Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic, est. 1975 Mindful Running:   http://www.mindfulness.com/mr.asp http://www.faqs.org/faqs/running-faq/

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I go for massaging out the calves, see the calf over the railing picture. http://www.mindfulness.com/of1.asp  If you’re ankles are falling to the inside as  you stand or if you are splay footed    /, then your overpronation can be also causing the problem with the Achilles. Does splay footedness always cause over-pronation; is it possible to be splay footed and suppinate or under-pronate? My shoes weear on the outside edge, but I tend to "splay." My arches are low to medium. Stephen Diamond

Stephen, There’s more of a tendency to overpronate with the splay as the weight on landing is putting excessive pressure on the Posterior Tibialis which can cause the arch to collapse. The wearout on the outside back of th heel of the shoe is often more a sign of overstriding so that as the foot is coming back, it hits at that spot.  Often there is a deceleration of the forward momentum so that the back of the heel is worn down. These sites mentioned by Doug and Dot may abe of help to understand the foot: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/wnor/antlegdorsalfoot.htm http://www.podiatrychannel.com/anatomy/ In health and on the run, Ozzie Gontang Maintainer – rec.running FAQ Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic, est. 1975 Mindful Running:   http://www.mindfulness.com/mr.asp http://www.faqs.org/faqs/running-faq/

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Hi, I read your article about Calves/Achilles and thought you might be able to help me. I

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Will it beep at 8, 10, 18, 20 etc. – so you know when to start again? And is $29 a US price, I wonder? I’m just going to have a look on the web for UK prices – if they’re that cheap I’ll get one!

Yes. My Timex 100 is set to go off at 7 minutes, then again at 1 minute after than, and repeats until I stop it. You can set the intervals to anything you want. The only drawback is that the Chrono and Timer features are independent, so I start the chronograph first, then switch over and start the timer, and switch back to chrono so I can watch my mile splits, etc. After that it’s wear it and forget it–until it beeps at you, of course. — Eduardo Suastegui "Test everything. Hold on to the good." (remove ‘701′ when replying via e-mail)

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How do I walk run

I use a watch with a repeating timer to time my run walks. Currently, I’ve settled on 7 minutes running, 1 minute walking. Depending on your level of fitness, you may be able to run more or less. If you can run for 5 minutes before you have to walk, I recommend a 3/1 or 4/1 regimen; never run until you *have to* stop. As you get stronger, you will be able to run longer also when is the best time

Time of day? Any time while you are fully awake . It depends on whether you are a morning, afternoon or evening person. Note, however, that since most races take place in the morning, if you are planning to run a race in the future, some of your runs should take place at that time of day to prepare you. and what kinds of limbering exercises are there?

Walking as a warm-up is pretty good. Up to you for how long. I have found stretching before a run not to be so good; if you do it, do so carefully. I recommend not holding your stretches for very long (5 seconds or less, and repeat). Far more useful is the rolling or massaging of calves and quads, to prevent that uptight feeling that can stifle you at the beginning of a run, and even lead to injury. — Eduardo Suastegui "Test everything. Hold on to the good." (remove ‘701′ when replying via e-mail)

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In rec.running I do 8/2 for my long runs. It’s very easy to keep track of on my watch – no arithmetic required, and I’ve found it’s working very well as far as increasing my time and distance goes. Of course, a $29 Ironman will do any increment you want, no math required either.  You just have to figure out how to set the damn thing

Will it beep at 8, 10, 18, 20 etc. – so you know when to start again? And is $29 a US price, I wonder? I’m just going to have a look on the web for UK prices – if they’re that cheap I’ll get one! Paul [E-mail address not in use]

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How do I walk run I use a watch with a repeating timer to time my run walks. Currently, I’ve settled on 7 minutes running, 1 minute walking. Depending on your level of fitness, you may be able to run more or less. If you can run for 5 minutes before you have to walk, I recommend a 3/1 or 4/1 regimen; never run until you *have to* stop. As you get stronger, you will be able to run longer

I do 8/2 for my long runs. It’s very easy to keep track of on my watch – no arithmetic required, and I’ve found it’s working very well as far as increasing my time and distance goes. Paul [E-mail address not in use]

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In rec.running I do 8/2 for my long runs. It’s very easy to keep track of on my watch – no arithmetic required, and I’ve found it’s working very well as far as increasing my time and distance goes. Of course, a $29 Ironman will do any increment you want, no math required either.  You just have to figure out how to set the damn thing

Paul [E-mail address not in use]

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In rec.running I do 8/2 for my long runs. It’s very easy to keep track of on my watch – no arithmetic required, and I’ve found it’s working very well as far as increasing my time and distance goes.

Of course, a $29 Ironman will do any increment you want, no math required either.  You just have to figure out how to set the damn thing

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How do I walk run also when is the best time and what kinds of limbering exercises are there? Thank you  for answering you ‘re very kind.

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Jason: Congratulations for carefully monitoring your aches and pains. Ignoring them quarantees longer or permanent layoffs from running and also discourages others from trying.  Congratulations for running on trails rather than the roads. Ways I have made my calves sore: Stretching too much before warming up. Running steep slopes without sufficient warmup. Not allowing them to recover from heavy use, such as long jump roping sessions. Ignoring slight soreness. Shin Splints, once long ago. Pumping legs uphill without sufficient hill training base. Running long downhills without sufficient hill training. Changing abruptly to very cushy unsupportive running shoes with heels softer than previous trainers. Ways to keep them sound: Being EXTREMELY careful stretching calves prior to running, even to the extent of not doing any while cold. If you hit the hills with cold calf muscles, same risk. Massaging a sore calf muscle before any use whatsoever. Using very gentle toe raises (and lowerings) to warm up the muscles. (quantity and light weight).  Use any staircase for this. Using PNF/AIS as well as static stretching techniques, e.g. for the wall pushups. (PNF proprioceptive neuromuscular facilitation, AIS active isolated stretching, discussed in more progressive stretching references) Doing calf stretches coupled with hamstring and hip stretches and toe stretches, since they are "connected."  As an example, try the hatha yoga pose often called "downward facing dog," preferably under supervision. Taking occasional breaks from running the same way in the same place(s), to allow recovery and allow improvement in performance.  No need to feel quilty cross training while on holiday, since it allows running recovery. Cycling serves as the best possible active recovery for my occasional sore calf muscles, esp. the spinning style of cycling used by those with more experience.  Consider a spinning class this winter offered in many of the health clubs. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – May I be bold and a little rude:  You friend is obviously not a runner and knows nothing about it and only is repeating this myth. Running can be very good exercise unless there is something to contraindicate running.  The impact can help increase or maintian bone density (a serious issue for all especially a lot of women). Cycling is a great exercise and making comparisons between the two is hard. Either running or cycling (or how about a bit of both) will help you maintain lean mass and get more fit.   Adding some strength or weight training would also be a good idea. I recently lost weight by eating right, but now want to exercise to tone  my body.  I told a friend that I was going to start running and she suggested that I bike instead because running was bad for you in the long run (for your joints and bones I guess?)  Does anyone know if biking uses as many muscles in such a short period of exercise time?  It wouldn’t seem like it would.  Thanks in advance! Sincerely, Sarah

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I recently lost weight by eating right, but now want to exercise to tone my body.  I told a friend that I was going to start running and she suggested that I bike instead because running was bad for you in the long run (for your joints and bones I guess?)  Does anyone know if biking uses as many muscles in such a short period of exercise time?  It wouldn’t seem like it would.  Thanks in advance! Sincerely, Sarah

As others have posted, running need not injure you over time.  Bad form biking will injure you as surely as bad form running.  I doubt there’s a big difference in muscle utilization in terms of how much of your body you will tone.  Muscle groups used have some same, some different, but overall probably similar. Sounds like the idea is to burn the most calories in the least time and use the most muscles.  That’s easy.  Biking good, running better, rowing best. Concept II rowing ergometer is the exercise machine you’ll need at your gym. As with all athletics, proper mechanics is a must to avoid injury.  It burns massive calories, works every muscle from your neck to your toes, and has no impact. — Josh Steinberg, Syracuse (where water is still surprisingly liquid, so may as well row!)

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rowing best

You misspelled crosscountry skiing.

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Throw XC skiing into the mix as well for a high energy expenditure. There is no rule that for fitness that you cannot do several activities.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently lost weight by eating right, but now want to exercise to tone my body.  I told a friend that I was going to start running and she suggested that I bike instead because running was bad for you in the long run (for your joints and bones I guess?)  Does anyone know if biking uses as many muscles in such a short period of exercise time?  It wouldn’t seem like it would.  Thanks in advance! Sincerely, Sarah As others have posted, running need not injure you over time.  Bad form biking will injure you as surely as bad form running.  I doubt there’s a big difference in muscle utilization in terms of how much of your body you will tone.  Muscle groups used have some same, some different, but overall probably similar. Sounds like the idea is to burn the most calories in the least time and use the most muscles.  That’s easy.  Biking good, running better, rowing best. Concept II rowing ergometer is the exercise machine you’ll need at your gym. As with all athletics, proper mechanics is a must to avoid injury.  It burns massive calories, works every muscle from your neck to your toes, and has no impact. — Josh Steinberg, Syracuse (where water is still surprisingly liquid, so may as well row!)

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rowing best You misspelled crosscountry skiing.

I’m afraid water has to be liquid for me to enjoy my sports of swimming and rowing.  Alas, when the water freezes up here (6 mos. per year) all I can do is run. — Josh

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I recently lost weight by eating right, but now want to exercise to tone my body.  I told a friend that I was going to start running and she suggested that I bike instead because running was bad for you in the long run (for your joints and bones I guess?)  Does anyone know if biking uses as many muscles in such a short period of exercise time?  It wouldn’t seem like it would.  Thanks in advance! Sincerely, Sarah

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I recently lost weight by eating right, but now want to exercise to tone my body.  I told a friend that I was going to start running and she suggested that I bike instead because running was bad for you in the long run (for your joints and bones I guess?)  Does anyone know if biking uses as many muscles in such a short period of exercise time?  It wouldn’t seem like it would.  Thanks in advance!

As far a toning is concerned, whether running or biking, you’re really mainly exercising a few of your leg muscles. If you want all-over body strengthening, you’ll probably want to do a variety of sports. Yoga or Pilates would certainly fit the bill and are both zero-impact. I’d imagine swimming would be good too. That said, there are few exercises more efficient than running as far as buring calories and developing cardiovascular fitness are concerned. Running will help you maintain your weight loss better than biking, given the same time commitment. And let’s just get those common "running is bad for you" myths out of the way right now. First of all, studies have shown that running does *not* increase your chance of osteoarthritis. Running increases bone density, decreasing the odds of osteoporosis and bone fractures. It keeps the joints better lubricated and strengthens surrounding muscles–your joints are actually *stronger* because of running. Yes, there are people who screw their knees up royally. Usually this is from overdoing it and not paying attention to their bodies. Often they’ll try to "run through the pain", turning a slight injury into a major one. With that mindset, these people would’ve injured themselves no matter what sport they chose.  - Jeff

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One reason I don’t bike regularly (as opposed to running) for fun&fitness is the mileage involved – I’d have to bike many many more miles than I run to make it an equivalent workout, and I don’t know of anywhere near where I live (urban area) that I could do that safely. If you’re talking about gym equipment, though, I don’t know.  ;-)

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Running is bad for some and wonderful for others. I’ve been running for over 20 years and look forward to be running for the next 50, at least. Running can be bad if you bite off too much at the start. If you do plan to run (and there is no reason why you can’t do both) then don’t be discouraged at the start. Very few people can run a full mile at the start. Begin by running slowly for as long as you feel comfortable. Then walk until you can run again. Repeat this for perhaps 10 minutes. As your walking breaks become shorter you’ll begin to realize if you enjoy running or not. If you don’t enjoy it then there is no point in continuing. Cycling is also a wonderful sport. I do both. Running packs more fittness than biking does. Try them both see which you like the best. Andy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently lost weight by eating right, but now want to exercise to tone my body.  I told a friend that I was going to start running and she suggested that I bike instead because running was bad for you in the long run (for your joints and bones I guess?)  Does anyone know if biking uses as many muscles in such a short period of exercise time?  It wouldn’t seem like it would.  Thanks in advance! Sincerely, Sarah

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I recently lost weight by eating right, but now want to exercise to tone my body.  I told a friend that I was going to start running and she suggested that I bike instead because running was bad for you in the long run (for your joints and bones I guess?)  

Actually, weight-bearing exercises, such as running and walking, are usually recommended to strengthen bones and joints – at least by my doctor. But you need to do them properly and build up slowly, as others have indicated. Does anyone know if biking uses as many muscles in such a short period of exercise time?  It wouldn’t seem like it would.  Thanks in advance!

I feel like I get more exercise per time spent when running, but I also bike and enjoy both. I run more consistently since I don’t need to deal with traffic and icy streets over as long a distance. Dot

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Yes, I recently had a hip injury, and I mentioned to the therapist that my family has some history of arthritis. She said that running, jogging, rollerblading, walking, walking with a pack, and other weight-bearing exercises were the best thing to fight against arthritis and maintain fitness. Be very aware of your body, because it will take a while to get accustomed to the new exercise. Don’t run through the pain to injury! craig

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May I be bold and a little rude:  You friend is obviously not a runner and knows nothing about it and only is repeating this myth. Running can be very good exercise unless there is something to contraindicate running.  The impact can help increase or maintian bone density (a serious issue for all especially a lot of women). Cycling is a great exercise and making comparisons between the two is hard. Either running or cycling (or how about a bit of both) will help you maintain lean mass and get more fit.   Adding some strength or weight training would also be a good idea.

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I have a few questions about Astanga yoga: 1.      I have a bad knee (an old sports injury). Will doing the series put to much pressure on my knees? Are there any workarounds? 2.      How much jumping is required? What king of jumps? Can you skip the jumps? 3.      What about older people? As you get old, how long will you be able to do the series? How old is Pattabhi Jois? Is he still practicing? 4.      What if you are not flexible enough to do some of the poses? Are you required to force yourself? 5.      Is Astanga yoga competitive? Are you looked down for not being as flexible as the next guy? 6.      Are there any good DVDs  (or videos) for beginners? Thanks.

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Gabriel, welcome to Ashtanga!  Ashtanga yoga (as well as other flavors) is great for strengthening your knees.  However, all poses that involve knee flexion come with "contraindications" for particular injuries.  Yoga is great for rehabilitation, and may remove some of the causal problems related to your knee injury.  You should definitely know what your injury is, and make note of whatever surgical repairs have been done.  There are workarounds for almost every yoga pose (poses can be done in a range from easy – difficult).  Jumping is not really required at all; the caveat to that is that "jumping" into chataranga position can be difficult (the secret is really to transfer all the weight to your arms before shooting your legs back). I am 43 years old, practicing for about 10 years, and have taken class (both participants and instructors) with people well into their 70’s (I’m sure there are people who can "beat" that!).  I don’t remember Jois age, but he is not a young man.  I believe he is still teaching in India, and does occasionally come to the US. You should never force yourself in yoga; yoga is a PROCESS, not a RESULT. You get closer to where you want to go by doing just a little bit more each time you practice (not unlike learning to play an instrument, except the instrument here is your body & spirit). "True" practitioners do not look at Ashtanga as competitive.  Since bodies and capacities are different for every individual body, competition would be immaterial.  Think of whether you’d rather look at Sophia Loren or Racquel Welch (to name 2 beautiful women) — you could not say which is more beautiful, only that you preferred one or the other.  It is the spirit in yoga that counts; your desire to progress on the path toward your own physical/spiritual enlightenment is what elevates you in your practice. There are many great videos and books out there, but I feel that David Shelton’s Ashtanga Primary Series videotape is unparalleled.  The accompanying book (which also covers the intermediate series) is great.  I have his other tapes as well, but this could keep you busy for years. Namaste, NoaH

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Here is a better address for Slade’s material: http://www.ionet.net/~tslade/yoga.htm

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You might check out a wonderful Astanga website created by Terry Slade: http://www.ionet.net/~tslade/health.htm It’s chock full of material which will address your every question. But regarding your old injury…I’m pretty clear about yoga and injuries. Yoga is like a double edge sword…one edge of that yoga "sword" used appropriatly can go a long way to healing injured and ill bodies. But on the other hand, used inappropriately or agressively, yoga can be extremly damaging. Seek a qualified yoga teacher who teaches restorative yoga, but in any event, please remember that you are responsible for your recovery…not your teacher. It’s best that you have a good idea what is "good" for your body and what is not. You might peruse my website for some of that kind of info. BTW, Terry Slade is a proponent of the material in my website and has even contributed. I hope this helps Sam www.extensionyoga.com

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[[ This message was both posted and mailed: see    the "To," "Cc," and "Newsgroups" headers for details. ]] Over time, I started walking with my toes on the offending foot pointing a little away from my center, and put disproportionate weight on the outside (small toe) part of the foot.  The big toe mostly doesn’t hurt enough to enter my consciousness, and when it does, a good foot self-massage seems to help some.  Whatever is wrong there, is still wrong, though.

Wendy, When I get to my other computer, I’ll send a few articles to address your issue.  Suffice it to say:   If I was driving my car and the front wheels were   |  or  | /   or even / the wheel alignment people would align the wheels so that they were once again:   | |.   To align the feet that are splayed, first rotate the heels out so that the feet are aligned  |   |  and then bring the legs together so that they are aligned under the hip joint  ||.  The hip joints is located are located about a hand span apart half way between the illiac crest, the outside top of the pelvis and the pubic bone. If you turn your feet in first rather than the heels out first and then bringing the legs under the hip joints,  you can rotate the lower leg without rotating the femur in the hip socket.  You want that so that the front of the ankle, the knees, and the hips  keep the feet  ||  and not /. Check out  my post "Diagnosis without Understanding is Sharing Ignorance"  for a great book by Lagerwerff and Perlroth that addresses your issues. In health and on the run, Ozzie Gontang Maintainer – rec.running FAQ Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic, est. 1975 Mindful Running:   http://www.mindfulness.com/mr.asp

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8 paragraphs of literary valium.  Wendy, you’re gonna fit in great here.  

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Hard one to make a specific call on, even after Ozzie’s information. Turn out from the hips is mainly the job of the gluteus minimus and medius, which are also abductors (which help keep your pelvis level when you’re on one foot). If those muscles are tight they can cause a toe out habit, including the knees pointing out. Someone needs to observe Wendy’s walking and running to check. If those muscles need loosening and a bit of stretch, the piriformis stretch (many web sites have pictures) and/or the yoga pose, "the cow" are useful. Being aware of relaxing that region (without collapsing) during running (and the pelvis being forward enough) is important for the habit to get wired in right. Women’s femurs tend to be turned back a bit more than men’s (ie, trochanter a bit more to the rear), which may or may not be relevant. In any case, if the knees are swinging true, then adjusting the toe out via tibia/fibula, and ankle work might be the answer. However, many people are toe out in normal posture and gait. I guess a podiatrist’s opinion would help. Why the outside of the foot has extra load makes me think it is the knees, so I’d try to understand the hip/glute minimus/medius first. Tom. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [[ This message was both posted and mailed: see    the "To," "Cc," and "Newsgroups" headers for details. ]] Over time, I started walking with my toes on the offending foot pointing a little away from my center, and put disproportionate weight on the outside (small toe) part of the foot.  The big toe mostly doesn’t hurt enough to enter my consciousness, and when it does, a good foot self-massage seems to help some.  Whatever is wrong there, is still wrong, though. Wendy, When I get to my other computer, I’ll send a few articles to address your issue.  Suffice it to say:   If I was driving my car and the front wheels were   |  or  | /   or even / the wheel alignment people would align the wheels so that they were once again:   | |. To align the feet that are splayed, first rotate the heels out so that the feet are aligned  |   |  and then bring the legs together so that they are aligned under the hip joint  ||.  The hip joints is located are located about a hand span apart half way between the illiac crest, the outside top of the pelvis and the pubic bone. If you turn your feet in first rather than the heels out first and then bringing the legs under the hip joints,  you can rotate the lower leg without rotating the femur in the hip socket.  You want that so that the front of the ankle, the knees, and the hips  keep the feet  ||  and not /. Check out  my post "Diagnosis without Understanding is Sharing Ignorance"  for a great book by Lagerwerff and Perlroth that addresses your issues. In health and on the run, Ozzie Gontang Maintainer – rec.running FAQ Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic, est. 1975 Mindful Running:   http://www.mindfulness.com/mr.asp

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I’ll try not to make this into a long story, but at the same time I’m not sure which of the background info is necessary.  For reference, I’m female 33, 5′5", 140# (no doubt some fat there, but also bulky quads from bicycling hills – tangentially, I consider myself fit and toned and was shocked and pained to learn on this group that I am in fact a Cyldesdale). About 4 years ago, at a time when I was not running much (which is to say that I really don’t run in the summer – I bike ride – but I went for exactly one mid-summer run), my foot became sore.  It was where my big toe meets the ball of my foot, and it hurt to walk on, or move the toe.  I went to a not particularly helpful doctor who mumbled, "arthritis" and I didn’t pursue it further. Not one to give up or obsess about these things, I kind of altered my walking/running stride.  (I commute via several mile walk every day).  Over time, I started walking with my toes on the offending foot pointing a little away from my center, and put disproportionate weight on the outside (small toe) part of the foot.  The big toe mostly doesn’t hurt enough to enter my consciousness, and when it does, a good foot self-massage seems to help some.  Whatever is wrong there, is still wrong, though. Now, it is winter and my primary running season.  I run maybe 3-4 days per week, between 4 and 10 miles… usually in the 4-6 mile range, though.  I also cross train bicycling and weights other days, and generally take 2 days per week off.  For awhile, I was doing one long run and one fartlek per week, as time permitted, but I’ve stopped that because of what’s below: About a month ago I came back from what was a personal best 5ish mile run, and felt great.  Almost immediately, my knee started to feel just a little bit sore.  Not agonizing, but not right.  I’d never had a knee problem before, and didn’t think much of it.  I took some ibuprofen, and iced it, and it felt perfect the next morning.  Late day, I ran again, and it felt great, and when I came back it started hurting again.   Same treatment.  By the third run (which was a 10k race), the pattern permeated my purposeful density, and I decided to take a week off from running – sticking to low impact, light exercise instead.  I can’t say that it made any difference. I have – over time – had hamstring problems high on that same leg.  It’s my right leg, and because I run on sidewalks and roads facing traffic, I think it is partially caused by the uneven running surface.  Rolling my quads and hamstrings have helped tremendously with this. This pain – the knee pain – is mostly on the back of my leg.. just above the crease in the knee.  Sometimes (but less often) it also hurts on the front too, just below the knee cap, on the inside-facing part of the leg.  I guess it is potentially related to the hamstring problem, but I think it is equally likely to be related to the altered gait as a result of the still unsolved toe problem.  It hurts more going downstairs than upstairs, and for much of the day usually doesn’t hurt at all.  It mostly doesn’t hurt while I’m actually running.   From what I’ve read, this doesn’t sound like ITB syndrome or "runner’s knee" – but I could be wrong.  (Please tell me if I am).  So, I’m not sure what to do about it.  I’m trying to make a conscious effort to walk with my foot straighter as I can imagine how this would stress the knee, but I’m not particularly successful at making the change.  My big concern is – of course – that I don’t want it to get worse. Any ideas on how I should proceed?   Thanks for reading… x/endy —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Wendy, Since I’m no expert, but there ARE some very knowledgable people here in the ng (who haven’t responded to your post yet), I will keep my comments down to one very safe one: get thee to a sports doctor. Someone who deals with this kind of stuff regularly can likely diagnose your problem within minutes and can recommend exercises and/or stretches to get you going again. And rest, I’ll bet. You are right, this doesn’t sound like runner’s knee, which I just got over not long ago. I’m not sure what this is… I’m just not experienced enough to say. But I’ll hazard a guess that this is an overuse injury of a part of the leg that may have been compensating for your changed gait. But that’s just the guess of a non-medical person. Best seek out professional advice. Take care of it, and best of luck! Cam — – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll try not to make this into a long story, but at the same time I’m not sure which of the background info is necessary.  For reference, I’m female 33, 5′5", 140# (no doubt some fat there, but also bulky quads from bicycling hills – tangentially, I consider myself fit and toned and was shocked and pained to learn on this group that I am in fact a Cyldesdale). About 4 years ago, at a time when I was not running much (which is to say that I really don’t run in the summer – I bike ride – but I went for exactly one mid-summer run), my foot became sore.  It was where my big toe meets the ball of my foot, and it hurt to walk on, or move the toe.  I went to a not particularly helpful doctor who mumbled, "arthritis" and I didn’t pursue it further. Not one to give up or obsess about these things, I kind of altered my walking/running stride.  (I commute via several mile walk every day).  Over time, I started walking with my toes on the offending foot pointing a little away from my center, and put disproportionate weight on the outside (small toe) part of the foot.  The big toe mostly doesn’t hurt enough to enter my consciousness, and when it does, a good foot self-massage seems to help some.  Whatever is wrong there, is still wrong, though. Now, it is winter and my primary running season.  I run maybe 3-4 days per week, between 4 and 10 miles… usually in the 4-6 mile range, though.  I also cross train bicycling and weights other days, and generally take 2 days per week off.  For awhile, I was doing one long run and one fartlek per week, as time permitted, but I’ve stopped that because of what’s below: About a month ago I came back from what was a personal best 5ish mile run, and felt great.  Almost immediately, my knee started to feel just a little bit sore.  Not agonizing, but not right.  I’d never had a knee problem before, and didn’t think much of it.  I took some ibuprofen, and iced it, and it felt perfect the next morning.  Late day, I ran again, and it felt great, and when I came back it started hurting again.   Same treatment.  By the third run (which was a 10k race), the pattern permeated my purposeful density, and I decided to take a week off from running – sticking to low impact, light exercise instead.  I can’t say that it made any difference. I have – over time – had hamstring problems high on that same leg.  It’s my right leg, and because I run on sidewalks and roads facing traffic, I think it is partially caused by the uneven running surface.  Rolling my quads and hamstrings have helped tremendously with this. This pain – the knee pain – is mostly on the back of my leg.. just above the crease in the knee.  Sometimes (but less often) it also hurts on the front too, just below the knee cap, on the inside-facing part of the leg.  I guess it is potentially related to the hamstring problem, but I think it is equally likely to be related to the altered gait as a result of the still unsolved toe problem.  It hurts more going downstairs than upstairs, and for much of the day usually doesn’t hurt at all.  It mostly doesn’t hurt while I’m actually running.   From what I’ve read, this doesn’t sound like ITB syndrome or "runner’s knee" – but I could be wrong.  (Please tell me if I am).  So, I’m not sure what to do about it.  I’m trying to make a conscious effort to walk with my foot straighter as I can imagine how this would stress the knee, but I’m not particularly successful at making the change.  My big concern is – of course – that I don’t want it to get worse. Any ideas on how I should proceed?   Thanks for reading… x/endy —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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