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God Talks with Arjuna- The Bhagavad Gita

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that was Krishna’s song. we’d like to hear your song.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just as Yogananda’s Autobiography of a Yogi has established itself as peerless and eternal among the masses of spiritual biographies and surveys published each century, God Talks to Arjuna is becoming recognized as that singular presentation of the Bhagavad Gita which

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Just as Yogananda’s Autobiography of a Yogi has established itself as peerless and eternal among the masses of spiritual biographies and surveys published each century, God Talks to Arjuna is becoming recognized as that singular presentation of the Bhagavad Gita which will be studied and restudied by sincere seekers and scholars for ages to come. The handsome and lavishly illustrated 1200-page, two-volume set is available in both a finely bound slipcased hardcover edition … and a surprisingly inexpensive paperback printing … For a volume that will likely be reconsulted, Bible-like, many times over the years, the hardcover edition is to be recommended if your budget can possibly permit. Each of the 700 Bhagavad Gita verses is presented in both Sanskrit and English. More importantly, each verse is followed by commentary and expansion that integrates your study of the Gita with the entire spiritual science of Raja (meditative) Yoga. Hundreds of thoughtful commentaries on the Bhagavad Gita have been published over the centuries; some have been finely crafted by brilliant intellects; only a handful have come from realized sages; in this long-awaited Self-Realization Fellowship edition we have the insights of a soul who has experienced and mastered all the spiritual heights extoled by this dearest of Indian scriptures. Yogananda dictated his commentaries to his most trusted students during retreats to the southern California desert during the late 1940s. Those disciples related how the yoga master would, from his state of samadhi (conscious communion with God), pour out this uninterrupted stream of spiritual erudition throughout the night, surpassing the endurance of his much younger scribes. One close disciple vividly recalls today how merely to enter the room during these divine dictations had the feel of being ”in the very presence of The Divine.” In meditating lovingly upon his words in these volumes the modern reader may again dip into that Presence. READING RECOMMENDATION: These volumes are highly distilled spiritual liquor – unsuitable for casual guzzling. The extensive introduction alone provides a spiritual-eye-opening background to the Himalayan heights of India’s most venerated scripture. Yogananda therein explains how he applied the special intuitive approach to scripture taught him by his guru, the Puri sage Sri Sri Swami Yukteswarji. From his ability to sustain the highest spiritual state of Nirbikalpa Samadhi, Yogananda would derive his Gita commentary by uniting his consciousness with that of the Gita’s author, Vyasa, and of its principles, Bhagavan Krishna and disciple Arjuna. Your intellectual analysis of Yogananda’s resulting masterpiece will immediately impress your mind with his ability to reveal multiple levels of meaning from the complexities of the Sanskrit verses; but it will require a gradual digestion of these meanings and quiet reflection (ideally: interspersed with periods of meditation) to begin to assimilate their spiritual potency. As an example of ‘gradual’ I will mention the approach our local study groups took: reading one page per day, then meeting weekly to meditate and share insights and questions. At this rate the two groups I facilitated each took three years to complete the two volumes – but provided us with our richest spiritual rewards ever. However you pace yourself, first of all SAVOR. Then, best of all, PRACTICE… the guidance offered by Krishna, Vyasa, Arjuna, Yogananda: meditate on The Divinity within and around you. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0876120311/ref=pd_sim_b…

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To exercise or not

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"abdi" <a…@yahoo.com

wrote in message <news:dgvTc.144995$bp1.54051@twister.nyroc.rr.com… Greetings My wife and a few of my friends are fully convinced that if I exercise, it will be better. In fact my wife thinks this disease is all in my mind. However when I exercise, it makes me more spastic and I fall a lot. My wife thinks that it will be all ok , if I stick to it. So how is your experience.

hey abdi, it sounds like yo’ve got 2 questions that both need answers here. exercise — yes, i’m all for it, to tolerance. i began doing yoga when i wa 12, and hyave continued through sickness and in health, for richer or poorer, better or worse, to this day, and i’ll be 41 in november. :-

but even yoga, whish is seen as ‘gentle’ exercise, ha

had to be modified to fit my chancing condition. i can no longer do standing balances or any unsupported standing postures. spasticity interferes with being able to assume some of the asanas as well. but since i’m still able to get ONTO the floor [sometijes i have trouble getting back up], i do my seated/prone asana routines daily. also, yoga is NOT only ’stretch’ — when i was more mobile, my asana routine was like a kata, very aerobic. and anyone who doesn’t think it helps with strength ha obviously never done a full scorpion position — LOL. if you can still walk, i always LOVED walking — it’s free, and i just always really enjyed walking, even before M.S. that’s not so good for me anymore, but i’m pricing those little wheel thingies — not exercise bikes, but just the wheel part, so i can sit in the chair an at least get something not too difficult done while i sit under the fan. :-

pools are good too. some places offer adaptive aquatic exercises if that’s a necessity. it’s good exercise and helps keep you from getting over-heated. but the other question is your family and friends’ incorrect beliefs. when i was first dx’d, my daughter was 7, and my neurologist met with her and answered all her questions — they were simple and straightforward when she was that age! when she hit dreaded adolescence, it coincided with a physical downturn for me M..S.-wise, and being the snotty pre-teen she was, she started constantly calling me a faker and such. the neuro met with us both again, and again spent a good amount of time with her, listening to her bitch, and explaining why things didn’t make sense. he met with dennis as well. i don’t know if you have a doc that’s willing to meet with and explain things to your family, but if you haven’t ased him/her to do so, you might consider it. sometimes our loved ones want us to be well so much that they ride us, thinking there has to be SOME way to fix all these things. maybe hearing it from a doc will have a more lasting impression? rose

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Greetings My wife and a few of my friends are fully convinced that if I exercise, it will be better. In fact my wife thinks this disease is all in my mind. However when I exercise, it makes me more spastic and I fall a lot. My wife thinks that it will be all ok , if I stick to it. So how is your experience.

Hey there! I think exercise is great for anyone, including those with MS. Of course, you will have limits. You might find that your coordination becomes poor because you are overheating. If you can do something that doesn’t get you too hot (like swimming) you might fare better. I do exercise but I often find an exacerbation of symptoms and more fatigue if I go too far. I’m also in a situation where my symptoms actually permit me to exercise (at the moment at least). I think you need to listen to your body. The other suggestion I have is seeing a sports/physio who specialises in dealing with diseases like MS. I found this helpful to target exercise to actually try and relieve some of my symptoms.

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Also if you ever have the option of seeing a physical therapist, they can give you some simple exercises to do alone or with a friend that will help you much. I have some for my back, arms, legs (calves and thighs) and a few for my fingers (plagued be sensory and coordination issues due to ms) that help me a lot. I would recommend a PT to any on with MS that has progressed a bit. — Laura "Sylvia" <Sylv772…@yahoo.com

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"abdi"; In fact my wife thinks this disease is all in my mind. However when

I

exercise, it makes me more spastic and I fall a lot. My wife thinks

that it

will be all ok , if I stick to it. So how is your experience. Exercise is good for you, but it sounds like you are doing the wrong kind or too much if you are getting spastic and falling. One thing you *don’t* want to do is overheat your body core temperature. How will you know when you’re doing this? You have to listen to your body; when it says "Stop!" you have to. You’re not in training for the Olympics or anything, so just stopping is OK. I have found that yoga is the best exercise for me. I am just stretching my muscles and working on my balance, and, if I start to feel tired, I just quit for that day. The book I use is called "Recovery Yoga" by Sam Dworkis. He is a

yoga

master who got MS a few years ago, so he knows what we are dealing with. Sylvia

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"Jennifer" <Jnos…@shaw.ca

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Tai Chi is another good one. You can do the regular classes or sometimes they offer classes for disabled persons Jen

Stef and I took Tai Chi and in the beginning it was okay, but after a while it began to kick my ass. I had to quit. It really wore me out, I would leave there and be dogged tired for the next few days… it just wasnt worth it. But then again my entire right side was affected and Ill assume thats not the case for most people. Rob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Rob Duncan" <robdun…@gbronline.com

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> news:zoidnf0rV5OR4YLcRVn-pA@gbronline.com… > > Wonderful advice, as always, Larry. A good form of exercise is Yoga, as a

study performed at OHSU by my neurologist attests. Their fatigue levels diminished significantly as the study wore on. So far we have swimming, which most anyone can do, and Yoga. Back, oh, what was it…? About a year and a half ago…? I took a slow-downed version of Pilates (I was the

only

man in a class full of retired woman) and I found it to be a good form

of

exercise. Truthfully I should get back into it. Its kinda fun being

the > > center-piece of someones attention 3 times a week. :*) > > Rob > > "white.lynx" <white.l…@shaw.ca

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> > news:mOxTc.107852$gE.56050@pd7tw3no… > > > Everyone’s different and has to listen to their own body > > > I feel that I use up my entire amount of exercise and energy for the day

just in traveling around in my power wheelchair. I used to see a physical therapist who would aid in stretching my muscles that I could not stretch, however I quit because I found I needed the tightness in my muscles (spasicity) in order to be able to stand to transfer. For about a

year

I used to walk using parallel bars, but there was a certain point at which I had to quit because it would be using too much of my daily energy. My neurologist advised that in his opinion, after more than 30 years experience of dealing with people with multiple sclerosis, he thought the best exercise (when I could still walk about 20 yards) was to use a stationary exercise with the resistance level set at 0. The idea was not to buildup muscles as much as it was to keep the muscles limber and

capable

of stretching. That helped me for about a year until it was no longer feasible. I think I have always been good to listening to my body, even before multiple sclerosis. In my opinion you should not be ignoring your bodies messenges to itself. I do feel you should be keeping active to the

near

the point of running out of energy at the end of the day, but should not overdo it and always leave a little in reserve. I do believe it is important to keep doing mental exercises and/or

games

and keeping on top of current events in order to keep one’s mind and

memory

sharper than it would be if you just coasted and avoided thinking too much. I definitely think you should not be listening to your wife and

friends

if your body is telling you otherwise. Falling is bad. My suggestion is you use the normal Canadian way of handling disputes, a Canadian way,

which

is compromise. Go see a physical therapist at an MS clinic who is

familiar > > > with the disease and other peoples handling of exercise. > > > — > > > Larry > > > Rather than building character, adversity tends to reveal it > > > written using voice recognition software > > > "Michael" <muirh…@haidagwaii.net

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> > > news:2o7g38F7ordsU1@uni-berlin.de… > > > > In <news:dgvTc.144995$bp1.54051@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, > > > > abdi said: > > > > > Greetings > > > > > My wife and a few of my friends are fully convinced that if I > > > > > exercise, it will be better. > > > > > In fact my wife thinks this disease is all in my mind. However when

I exercise, it makes me more spastic and I fall a lot. My wife

thinks

that it will be all ok , if I stick to it. So how is your experience. Exercise is *good* for you… but there are definite limits. Raising your body temp too much is a no-no because it weakens

already

faulty nerve signals (that may even be the root of your falling down a

lot,)

and so is working so hard that you overuse muscles and/or run yourself

right

out of energy. Swimming is *excellent* exercise, if you can do it. The water will help you keep cool even when you work fairly hard, and the resistance of

water

is fully spread out over the surface of your body, so it’s easier to avoid seriously overworking any single muscle group. ((U)) M

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Wonderful advice, as always, Larry. A good form of exercise is Yoga, as a study performed at OHSU by my neurologist attests. Their fatigue levels diminished significantly as the study wore on. So far we have swimming, which most anyone can do, and Yoga. Back, oh, what was it…? About a year and a half ago…? I took a slow-downed version of Pilates (I was the only man in a class full of retired woman) and I found it to be a good form of exercise. Truthfully I should get back into it. Its kinda fun being the center-piece of someones attention 3 times a week. :*) Rob "white.lynx" <white.l…@shaw.ca

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Everyone’s different and has to listen to their own body I feel that I use up my entire amount of exercise and energy for the day just in traveling around in my power wheelchair. I used to see a physical therapist who would aid in stretching my muscles that I could not stretch, however I quit because I found I needed the tightness in my muscles (spasicity) in order to be able to stand to transfer. For about a year I used to walk using parallel bars, but there was a certain point at which

I

had to quit because it would be using too much of my daily energy. My neurologist advised that in his opinion, after more than 30 years experience of dealing with people with multiple sclerosis, he thought the best exercise (when I could still walk about 20 yards) was to use a stationary exercise with the resistance level set at 0. The idea was not

to

buildup muscles as much as it was to keep the muscles limber and capable

of

stretching. That helped me for about a year until it was no longer

feasible.

I think I have always been good to listening to my body, even before multiple sclerosis. In my opinion you should not be ignoring your bodies messenges to itself. I do feel you should be keeping active to the near

the

point of running out of energy at the end of the day, but should not

overdo

it and always leave a little in reserve. I do believe it is important to keep doing mental exercises and/or games

and

keeping on top of current events in order to keep one’s mind and memory sharper than it would be if you just coasted and avoided thinking too

much. > I definitely think you should not be listening to your wife and friends if > your body is telling you otherwise. Falling is bad. My suggestion is you > use the normal Canadian way of handling disputes, a Canadian way, which is > compromise. Go see a physical therapist at an MS clinic who is familiar > with the disease and other peoples handling of exercise. > — > Larry > Rather than building character, adversity tends to reveal it > written using voice recognition software > "Michael" <muirh…@haidagwaii.net

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> news:2o7g38F7ordsU1@uni-berlin.de… > > In <news:dgvTc.144995$bp1.54051@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, > > abdi said: > > > Greetings > > > My wife and a few of my friends are fully convinced that if I > > > exercise, it will be better. > > > In fact my wife thinks this disease is all in my mind. However when I > > > exercise, it makes me more spastic and I fall a lot. My wife thinks > > > that it will be all ok , if I stick to it. So how is your experience. > > Exercise is *good* for you… but there are definite limits. > > Raising your body temp too much is a no-no because it weakens already > faulty > > nerve signals (that may even be the root of your falling down a lot,) and

so is working so hard that you overuse muscles and/or run yourself right

out

of energy. Swimming is *excellent* exercise, if you can do it. The water will help you keep cool even when you work fairly hard, and the resistance of water is fully spread out over the surface of your body, so it’s easier to avoid seriously overworking any single muscle group. ((U)) M

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"abdi";

In fact my wife thinks this disease is all in my mind. However when I exercise, it makes me more spastic and I fall a lot. My wife thinks that it will be all ok , if I stick to it. So how is your experience.

Exercise is good for you, but it sounds like you are doing the wrong kind or too much if you are getting spastic and falling. One thing you *don’t* want to do is overheat your body core temperature. How will you know when you’re doing this? You have to listen to your body; when it says "Stop!" you have to. You’re not in training for the Olympics or anything, so just stopping is OK. I have found that yoga is the best exercise for me. I am just stretching my muscles and working on my balance, and, if I start to feel tired, I just quit for that day. The book I use is called "Recovery Yoga" by Sam Dworkis. He is a yoga master who got MS a few years ago, so he knows what we are dealing with. Sylvia

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,

Rob Duncan said:

Ish habba zwei blau kuglen.

That would be "Ich habe zwei blaue kugeln."… and unless I’m mistaken, it would be an appropriate rejoinder (preceded enthusiastically by "Ja, bitte!", I would think…) if a comely lady of the evening happened to ask you if you wanted some hot action. :-)

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Hello abdi I have been attending an exercise class for MSers since 1991. It is led by a neurophysiotherapist and is held weekly. She has also made a video of the class and urges us all to exercise in between class sessions. She specializes in MS and stroke. What we do is comparatively simple, and she tells us to "listen to our bodies", but when we have visitors, they all find our exercises difficult. We do mostly stretches and range of motion with a strong cardio section. Exercise does not impact on the MS, which affects the nerves, not the muscles, but it helps us get and keep the most out of our muscles. I recommend exercise. Gaylan "abdi" <a…@yahoo.com

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Greetings My wife and a few of my friends are fully convinced that if I exercise, it will be better. In fact my wife thinks this disease is all in my mind. However when I exercise, it makes me more spastic and I fall a lot. My wife thinks that

it

will be all ok , if I stick to it. So how is your experience.

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Hi Cord! Where do you live? I used to live just outside of Bitburg. Not too far away from Trier. My German isnt very good. Ish habba zwei blau kuglen. Du hast wundebau augen. Ish aubita auf dem flugplatz. ? Rob (I adored Germany. I hope your MS isnt too bad.) "Cord D. Mittauer" <sma…@gaz.de

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Greetings Good morning, my name ist Cord and I am from Germany. Please apologize my bad english. As you may know, it is a lot easier to read and understand a foreign language, than to write or to talk in a foreign language. My wife and a few of my friends are fully convinced that if I exercise,

it

will be better. I made the experience that exercise is good. I am 42 years old. I started to play tabletennis over 35 years ago. I am in a tabletennis-club and I am playing in team. They was diagnosed with MS last year. Playing tabletennis is really helping me. But I had to find my limits. I have problems coordinating my movements (walk like a drunk) but "practice makes perfect". Playing tabletennis really helps me. In addition I go to the pool for swimming. Needless to say a 1000 m swimming-session is out at the moment. In addition I am in the process to learn how to ride a bike again. Yes, I am in the process to learn how to ride a bike again. I have to wear all kind of protective gear. In fact my wife thinks this disease is all in my mind. However when I exercise, it makes me more spastic and I fall a lot. My wife thinks that

it

will be all ok , if I stick to it. So how is your experience. Your disease is not in your mind. You should consult your doctor and ask for advice. I did the same. He came even on site to watch me doing sports. He recommended certain things for me. I hope you will have a nice Sunday Greetings from Germany Cord — The truth is one of our most valuable goods – why don’t we economize it? –Mark Twain

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Tai Chi is another good one. You can do the regular classes or sometimes they offer classes for disabled persons Jen "Rob Duncan" <robdun…@gbronline.com

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Wonderful advice, as always, Larry. A good form of exercise is Yoga, as a study performed at OHSU by my neurologist attests. Their fatigue levels diminished significantly as the study wore on. So far we have swimming, which most anyone can do, and Yoga. Back, oh, what was it…? About a

year > and a half ago…? I took a slow-downed version of Pilates (I was the only > man in a class full of retired woman) and I found it to be a good form of > exercise. Truthfully I should get back into it. Its kinda fun being the > center-piece of someones attention 3 times a week. :*) > Rob > "white.lynx" <white.l…@shaw.ca

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> news:mOxTc.107852$gE.56050@pd7tw3no… > > Everyone’s different and has to listen to their own body > > I feel that I use up my entire amount of exercise and energy for the day > > just in traveling around in my power wheelchair. I used to see a physical

therapist who would aid in stretching my muscles that I could not

stretch,

however I quit because I found I needed the tightness in my muscles (spasicity) in order to be able to stand to transfer. For about a year

I

used to walk using parallel bars, but there was a certain point at

which

I had to quit because it would be using too much of my daily energy. My neurologist advised that in his opinion, after more than 30 years experience of dealing with people with multiple sclerosis, he thought

the

best exercise (when I could still walk about 20 yards) was to use a stationary exercise with the resistance level set at 0. The idea was

not

to buildup muscles as much as it was to keep the muscles limber and capable of stretching. That helped me for about a year until it was no longer feasible. I think I have always been good to listening to my body, even before multiple sclerosis. In my opinion you should not be ignoring your

bodies

messenges to itself. I do feel you should be keeping active to the near the point of running out of energy at the end of the day, but should not overdo it and always leave a little in reserve. I do believe it is important to keep doing mental exercises and/or games and keeping on top of current events in order to keep one’s mind and memory sharper than it would be if you just coasted and avoided thinking too much. I definitely think you should not be listening to your wife and friends

if

your body is telling you otherwise. Falling is bad. My suggestion is

you

use the normal Canadian way of handling disputes, a Canadian way, which

is > > compromise. Go see a physical therapist at an MS clinic who is familiar > > with the disease and other peoples handling of exercise. > > — > > Larry > > Rather than building character, adversity tends to reveal it > > written using voice recognition software > > "Michael" <muirh…@haidagwaii.net

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> > news:2o7g38F7ordsU1@uni-berlin.de… > > > In <news:dgvTc.144995$bp1.54051@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, > > > abdi said: > > > > Greetings > > > > My wife and a few of my friends are fully convinced that if I > > > > exercise, it will be better. > > > > In fact my wife thinks this disease is all in my mind. However when I

exercise, it makes me more spastic and I fall a lot. My wife thinks that it will be all ok , if I stick to it. So how is your

experience.

Exercise is *good* for you… but there are definite limits. Raising your body temp too much is a no-no because it weakens already faulty nerve signals (that may even be the root of your falling down a lot,) and so is working so hard that you overuse muscles and/or run yourself right out of energy. Swimming is *excellent* exercise, if you can do it. The water will

help

you keep cool even when you work fairly hard, and the resistance of water

is

fully spread out over the surface of your body, so it’s easier to

avoid

seriously overworking any single muscle group. ((U)) M

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Everyone’s different and has to listen to their own body I feel that I use up my entire amount of exercise and energy for the day just in traveling around in my power wheelchair. I used to see a physical therapist who would aid in stretching my muscles that I could not stretch, however I quit because I found I needed the tightness in my muscles (spasicity) in order to be able to stand to transfer. For about a year I used to walk using parallel bars, but there was a certain point at which I had to quit because it would be using too much of my daily energy. My neurologist advised that in his opinion, after more than 30 years experience of dealing with people with multiple sclerosis, he thought the best exercise (when I could still walk about 20 yards) was to use a stationary exercise with the resistance level set at 0. The idea was not to buildup muscles as much as it was to keep the muscles limber and capable of stretching. That helped me for about a year until it was no longer feasible. I think I have always been good to listening to my body, even before multiple sclerosis. In my opinion you should not be ignoring your bodies messenges to itself. I do feel you should be keeping active to the near the point of running out of energy at the end of the day, but should not overdo it and always leave a little in reserve. I do believe it is important to keep doing mental exercises and/or games and keeping on top of current events in order to keep one’s mind and memory sharper than it would be if you just coasted and avoided thinking too much. I definitely think you should not be listening to your wife and friends if your body is telling you otherwise. Falling is bad. My suggestion is you use the normal Canadian way of handling disputes, a Canadian way, which is compromise. Go see a physical therapist at an MS clinic who is familiar with the disease and other peoples handling of exercise. — Larry Rather than building character, adversity tends to reveal it written using voice recognition software "Michael" <muirh…@haidagwaii.net

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In <news:dgvTc.144995$bp1.54051@twister.nyroc.rr.com, abdi said: Greetings My wife and a few of my friends are fully convinced that if I exercise, it will be better. In fact my wife thinks this disease is all in my mind. However when I exercise, it makes me more spastic and I fall a lot. My wife thinks that it will be all ok , if I stick to it. So how is your experience. Exercise is *good* for you… but there are definite limits. Raising your body temp too much is a no-no because it weakens already

faulty

nerve signals (that may even be the root of your falling down a lot,) and

so

is working so hard that you overuse muscles and/or run yourself right out

of

energy. Swimming is *excellent* exercise, if you can do it. The water will help

you

keep cool even when you work fairly hard, and the resistance of water is fully spread out over the surface of your body, so it’s easier to avoid seriously overworking any single muscle group. ((U)) M

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Greetings My wife and a few of my friends are fully convinced that if I exercise, it will be better. In fact my wife thinks this disease is all in my mind. However when I exercise, it makes me more spastic and I fall a lot. My wife thinks that it will be all ok , if I stick to it. So how is your experience.

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i exercise quite a bit…mostly figure skating. I’m getting into doing off-ice training that consists of stationary bike and treadmill. I don’t like to run but i will do a combo of fast walking for a bit than about 2-5 min of jogging. I’ve added weight training for my upper body as well. But I have no symptoms of MS at the moment. If/when I have a flare up and I feel weak, than I will take some time off until I feel better. It would be a bad thing to make a flareu p worse Jen "abdi" <a…@yahoo.com

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Greetings My wife and a few of my friends are fully convinced that if I exercise, it will be better. In fact my wife thinks this disease is all in my mind. However when I exercise, it makes me more spastic and I fall a lot. My wife thinks that

it

will be all ok , if I stick to it. So how is your experience.

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abdi said:

Greetings My wife and a few of my friends are fully convinced that if I exercise, it will be better. In fact my wife thinks this disease is all in my mind. However when I exercise, it makes me more spastic and I fall a lot. My wife thinks that it will be all ok , if I stick to it. So how is your experience.

Exercise is *good* for you… but there are definite limits. Raising your body temp too much is a no-no because it weakens already faulty nerve signals (that may even be the root of your falling down a lot,) and so is working so hard that you overuse muscles and/or run yourself right out of energy. Swimming is *excellent* exercise, if you can do it. The water will help you keep cool even when you work fairly hard, and the resistance of water is fully spread out over the surface of your body, so it’s easier to avoid seriously overworking any single muscle group. ((U)) M

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Greetings My wife and a few of my friends are fully convinced that if I exercise, it will be better. In fact my wife thinks this disease is all in my mind. However when I exercise, it makes me more spastic and I fall a lot. My wife thinks that

it

will be all ok , if I stick to it. So how is your experience.

Abdi, theyre feeding you a load of crap. Exercise is good and should be done… if you can do it. But there is a thing called neuromuscular fatigue. Thats when your already tired neurons and axons have only so much energy left in them… and when you exercise, you use whats left… all up, and then youre pooped for good. Look at it this way, G-d gives you a hundred points of energy each morning, it may be wise to save as much as you can so you can make it through the day without becoming exhausted. But theres also a flip-side, some people can be numb and stumbly as all get out, be active all day, and still have energy to burn when they hit the sack. Its individual. But no, working out isnt going to improve the stamina of your neurons/axons… and thats what our problem is… not our muscles. Rob

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well exercising past the point of exhaustion is poor training for anyone. Some days I can only get 10-15 min on the bike and my skating consists of plenty of bench breaks. When I first had my flare up my strong leg muscle helped me drag myself around. Even the neuro commented that my muscles in general were strong and it helped with transfering and getting my butt outa bed Jen "Rob Duncan" <robdun…@gbronline.com

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> news:dgvTc.144995$bp1.54051@twister.nyroc.rr.com… > > Greetings > > My wife and a few of my friends are fully convinced that if I exercise, it

will be better. In fact my wife thinks this disease is all in my mind. However when I exercise, it makes me more spastic and I fall a lot. My wife thinks that it will be all ok , if I stick to it. So how is your experience. Abdi, theyre feeding you a load of crap. Exercise is good and should be done… if you can do it. But there is a thing called neuromuscular fatigue. Thats when your already tired neurons and axons have only so

much

energy left in them… and when you exercise, you use whats left… all

up,

and then youre pooped for good. Look at it this way, G-d gives you a hundred points of energy each

morning,

it may be wise to save as much as you can so you can make it through the

day

without becoming exhausted. But theres also a flip-side, some people can

be

numb and stumbly as all get out, be active all day, and still have energy

to

burn when they hit the sack. Its individual. But no, working out isnt going to improve the stamina of your neurons/axons… and thats what our problem is… not our muscles. Rob

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If you’re a young guy, do something that will warm up your hips, shoulder girdle and thorax and after you start feeling flexible do some cambre exercises – e.g., bridge, &c. Eventually you’ll feel a crack in your sternum and there will be a great release of energy. As you age your sternum will calcify if you don’t use it as such so will your tail bone Make sure you’re sufficiently warmed up first otherwise you can strain your lumbar region or sacro-iliac joint If you’re in a seasonal environment it comes on with warmer weather. I just get on my knees (on a padded exercise mat) and from an abs crunch I go forward and upright on my knees pressing my pelvis forward from my hips, pointing my feet to not fall forward and go into a back bend with my arms en haut pressing into my sternum from my back while I stretch it 1/2 down with my abs the other back with my shoulder girdle. The sternum is where the blockage is. When it cracks it feels like a bicycle tire puncture, you can almost hear the release of energy. If you experience the crack and make it happen it means you’re in good shape. Once you do it it’s easy to repeat, but you have to keep doing it or as you get older you’ll lose it

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (But I know in qigong probably the throat chakra is described as a nexus of meridians or something?) In the last few days I have again had a fairly steady hot spot in and just above the v-notch at the top of my breastbone, so at the base of my throat (though I thought the throat chakra was slightly higher than that, a little closer to the adam’s apple). This has occurred before but not in a while, and it isn’t partularly troublesome but sometimes I pull down my t-shirt to free/open/cool it (but haven’t gone to a v-neck shirt). So anyway I was just wondering if it might be a sign of anything, or what might be causing it or whether I should perhaps do any yoga chakra meditation, pranayama or qigong exercises, none of which I have been doing for a while. I am hoping that this throat hot spot might be an early sign of a waning crescent high which I hope might start at summer solstice last quarter. However in the previous five such highs I don’t remember such a hot spot, the only noticeable warning sign of one was an unusual chill especially leg chill the week before the (last) Aug/Sept 1994 one. But for more discussion of such highs and related clear sky lightning and solar flares and lunar and sunspot cycle patterns see my web page http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html . On it I also mention things such as my experience of shaktipat, thorn acupuncture awakening of hands and feet, mystic spark effects, kundalini effects (the shaktipat, powerful just to the side of third eye warming during pranayama, shower of sparks out the back top of my head during chakra meditation), powerful tingling/cooling/warming/throbbing of fingers and hands at times, which I thought was related to geomagnetic activity but now am not sure, and lots more. I’d write some more but have to run off home now, but anyway I am mainly interested in the throat hot spot, though I would also like to learn of any past eastern figures who had cycles like mine (so far I have a fair bit of evidence for celtic pagan figures but less for others). But for example the Buddha had seven years of ascetic years, like my low years which I hope will end Saturday [at 7 years and 5 lunar months], and battled Mara [like a waxing gibbous moon trial with release at full moon], and encountered the Naga water serpent [blue clear sky lightning]. Also Krishna is describe as the butter thief [so waning butter, or waning crescent moon] and is said to have battled demons [so again waxing gibbous moon trial with release/resurrection at full moon]. I also relate the blue lotus/blue Krishna to my blue rose vision. But I do relate myself more to celtic pagan figures such as Taliesin, Finn (Fionn), Amergin, Cu Chulainn and Myrddin so far. David http://www.nfld.com/~dalton

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It’s my impression that understanding medical conditions like this is pretty complicated and requires a considerable amount of careful research using a large number of subjects. The methods used by magicians and mystics, who are essentially hermits when it comes to their research, are not suited for this kind of study. Tom, I suspect that you know very little about Qi , and it’s uses and symptoms. Unfortunately, very few doctors know anything at all about it.

Oh, I know a bit about the lore connected with Qi. Probably not as much as you do, though. I’m willing to stipulate that. However, what I’m talking about is not lore about Qi in general, but about carefully conducted scientific research into the effect of Qi on endocrine glands and their disorders. My point is that there isn’t any. How much do *you* know about endocrine disorders, their causes and cures? I suspect it’s very little. How much do you know about the methodology of disease research? I suspect that’s very little, too.

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What do you mean by "overloading your system repeatedly"? What kind of damage? I mean overloading your system a few times a week, and you are nerrvous , feel pain, or a burning sensation.

You’re using a tautology. "Overloading your system means overloading your system." What’s the load? What’s the carrying capacity of the system? The damage where your glands of your endocrine system are malfunctionaing youe body is out of balance. (unable to sleep, your body is not able to process the food your eat., etc) It can get so bad where your bowels and kidneys stop functioning, It this happens; you will end up on the hospital in a few days.

Many things can upset digestion and sleep patterns other than endocrine system malfunctions. How do you know that’s what it is and how do you know what caused it? It’s my impression that understanding medical conditions like this is pretty complicated and requires a considerable amount of careful research using a large number of subjects. The methods used by magicians and mystics, who are essentially hermits when it comes to their research, are not suited for this kind of study.

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When you have funny sensations of heat, it’s time to get to an acupuncturist. We are heading into summer, and if you have trouble with excess energy and heat, you need a cool-down. These Chinese medicine guys specialize in fixing fire types like you.

Thanks for the advice, and if I have serious heat problems I’ll keep it in mind (but here in Newfoundland the climate is much more moderate than e.g. Toronto). But it has just been a little hot spot above the centre of my breastbone and it has gotten milder in the last few days. However I also occasionally get warm whole-body waves and/or elbow warming which I attribute to a certain woman thinking positive thoughts of me, but of course that could be wrong, but anyway I don’t think they are harmful or a sign of anything harmful. David

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What do you mean by "overloading your system repeatedly"? What kind of damage? I mean overloading your system a few times a week, and you are nerrvous , feel pain, or a burning sensation. You’re using a tautology. "Overloading your system means overloading your system." What’s the load? What’s the carrying capacity of the system? The damage where your glands of your endocrine system are malfunctionaing youe body is out of balance. (unable to sleep, your body is not able to process the food your eat., etc) It can get so bad where your bowels and kidneys stop functioning, It this happens; you will end up on the hospital in a few days. Many things can upset digestion and sleep patterns other than endocrine system malfunctions. How do you know that’s what it is and how do you know what caused it? It’s my impression that understanding medical conditions like this is pretty complicated and requires a considerable amount of careful research using a large number of subjects. The methods used by magicians and mystics, who are essentially hermits when it comes to their research, are not suited for this kind of study.

Tom, I suspect that you know very little about Qi , and it’s uses and symptoms. Unfortunately, very few doctors know anything at all about it.

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Well, I’m with you 100% I think. The proper orbit is of course up the Gv and down the Co. I was merely thinking it would be good to use the tongue to see if in fact the pallate was open. Someone suggested the sternum was blocked but I doubt it. The throat seems to be open and as the untrained male flow will be upward it may be a quick way to check it all out. If Qi flows to the face then he should proceed with the correct orbit training. As far as I knew the fire path was the name for the normal flow that you described btw. Kind rgds, M

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m not sure where the blockage might be but the Qi in the Conception Vessel ‘normally’ rises upward in an adult male unless trained otherwise. I still The Qi should travel up the ren (governing) Qi vessel, and down the du (conception) Qi vessel to thee hui yin point. What you suggested was the fire path. which I do not recommend because the upward rising Qi in the conception Qi vessekl could affect the heart rhythm. Aloha nui loa; Two Bears. Received the title ‘master’ 8 times; and STILL working on self mastery. Click the link to read my HUNA intro. http://www.geocities.com/huna101

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I’m not sure where the blockage might be but the Qi in the Conception Vessel ‘normally’ rises upward in an adult male unless trained otherwise. I

still The Qi should travel up the ren (governing) Qi vessel, and down the du (conception) Qi vessel to thee hui yin point. What you suggested was the fire path. which I do not recommend because the upward rising Qi in the conception Qi vessekl could affect the heart rhythm. Aloha nui loa; Two Bears. Received the title ‘master’ 8 times; and STILL working on self mastery. Click the link to read my HUNA intro. http://www.geocities.com/huna101

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I’m not sure where the blockage might be but the Qi in the Conception Vessel ‘normally’ rises upward in an adult male unless trained otherwise. I still think you should try to bring it back down to the navel but you could also try sitting quietly in a meditative posture and touching the tongue to the pallate. You may just get a ‘rush’ of Qi into the cheeks and forehead… worth trying. If this happens you probably should be practising the microcosmic orbit?? Rgds, M

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have you tried circulating the Qi back down to the tandian or even the feet? I’d be a bit worried that the glands may get over stimulated? Rgds, M (But I know in qigong probably the throat chakra is described as a nexus of meridians or something?) In the last few days I have again had a fairly steady hot spot in and just above the v-notch at the top of my breastbone, so at the base of my throat (though I thought the throat chakra was slightly higher than that, a little closer to the adam’s apple). This has occurred before but not in a while, and it isn’t partularly troublesome but sometimes I pull down my t-shirt to free/open/cool it (but haven’t gone to a v-neck shirt). So anyway I was just wondering if it might be a sign of anything, or what might be causing it or whether I should perhaps do any yoga chakra meditation, pranayama or qigong exercises, none of which I have been doing for a while. I am hoping that this throat hot spot might be an early sign of a waning crescent high which I hope might start at summer solstice last quarter. However in the previous five such highs I don’t remember such a hot spot, the only noticeable warning sign of one was an unusual chill especially leg chill the week before the (last) Aug/Sept 1994 one. But for more discussion of such highs and related clear sky lightning and solar flares and lunar and sunspot cycle patterns see my web page http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html . On it I also mention things such as my experience of shaktipat, thorn acupuncture awakening of hands and feet, mystic spark effects, kundalini effects (the shaktipat, powerful just to the side of third eye warming during pranayama, shower of sparks out the back top of my head during chakra meditation), powerful tingling/cooling/warming/throbbing of fingers and hands at times, which I thought was related to geomagnetic activity but now am not sure, and lots more. I’d write some more but have to run off home now, but anyway I am mainly interested in the throat hot spot, though I would also like to learn of any past eastern figures who had cycles like mine (so far I have a fair bit of evidence for celtic pagan figures but less for others). But for example the Buddha had seven years of ascetic years, like my low years which I hope will end Saturday [at 7 years and 5 lunar months], and battled Mara [like a waxing gibbous moon trial with release at full moon], and encountered the Naga water serpent [blue clear sky lightning]. Also Krishna is describe as the butter thief [so waning butter, or waning crescent moon] and is said to have battled demons [so again waxing gibbous moon trial with release/resurrection at full moon]. I also relate the blue lotus/blue Krishna to my blue rose vision. But I do relate myself more to celtic pagan figures such as Taliesin, Finn (Fionn), Amergin, Cu Chulainn and Myrddin so far. David http://www.nfld.com/~dalton

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Overloading your system repeatedly can damage the glands in the endocrine system.

What do you mean by "overloading your system repeatedly"? What kind of damage?

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Eat a spoonful of honey. It will bring in some balancing yin.

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What do you mean by "overloading your system repeatedly"? What kind of damage?

I mean overloading your system a few times a week, and you are nerrvous , feel pain, or a burning sensation. The damage where your glands of your endocrine system are malfunctionaing youe body is out of balance. (unable to sleep, your body is not able to process the food your eat., etc) It can get so bad where your bowels and kidneys stop functioning, It this happens; you will end up on the hospital in a few days. Aloha nui loa; Two Bears. Received the title ‘master’ 8 times; and STILL working on self mastery. Click the link to read my HUNA intro. http://www.geocities.com/huna101

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Have you tried circulating the Qi back down to the tandian or even the feet? I’d be a bit worried that the glands may get over stimulated?

Aloha nui loa Michael; my brother. You arequite correct. Overloading your system repeatedly can damage the glands in the endocrine system.

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Hi David, Roughly 12 years ago I had some experiences similar to yours. I was in my early days of practising high magick but I had many years of mediation and yoga under my belt at that time. I was alone in the evening, practising ritual by candlelight. I had completed the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram and was starting to do Middle Pillar, maybe for the first time, can’t rememeber for sure. I had a spontaneous warming the at base of my throat. I wondered if I had caused the warming myself by suggestion. I looked in my book, I think there was some indication the warming might happen. But I think the book said warming happens in the solar plexus. Note after many sugeries I felt similar warming when the nerves were healing too. Also during this time I spontaneously saw red lights filtering down towards my abdomen. I had heard of others experiencing white lights at a distance from time to time, but I had never heard of anyone experiencing red lights and not lights that directed themselves towards parts of the body. Red is my favorite color. I took this to be something comforting, but I was very startled. As it turned out I was growing cysts which later turned into ovarian cancer. So I came to think of the red lights with a kind of awe, as something that was feeding me vitality when I was in need and directing my attention to a part of my body that I needed to pay attention to. For all I know it could have been a psycological message as well, cause I could feel my body change as the cysts grew. In each case I was not scared but caught off guard. I had the opportunity to discuss with my Irish Celtic Wiccan Teacher’s wife, Radha, who is certified Shivananda teacher (Hindu yoga master). Radha said these were cases of kundalini awakening and beginning to rise. Whatever this kind of phenomana is, it all felt pretty wonderful to me, or maybe that was just my reaction to it. If it bothers you, from a Hindu standpoint (I am not all that up on Hinduism I am thinking of some books I have read, and of course advise form Radha), you may want to do some cleansing of your spirit or aura, as well as the warm up exercises. Later, Amber – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (But I know in qigong probably the throat chakra is described as a nexus of meridians or something?) In the last few days I have again had a fairly steady hot spot in and just above the v-notch at the top of my breastbone, so at the base of my throat (though I thought the throat chakra was slightly higher than that, a little closer to the adam’s apple). This has occurred before but not in a while, and it isn’t partularly troublesome but sometimes I pull down my t-shirt to free/open/cool it (but haven’t gone to a v-neck shirt). So anyway I was just wondering if it might be a sign of anything, or what might be causing it or whether I should perhaps do any yoga chakra meditation, pranayama or qigong exercises, none of which I have been doing for a while. I am hoping that this throat hot spot might be an early sign of a waning crescent high which I hope might start at summer solstice last quarter. However in the previous five such highs I don’t remember such a hot spot, the only noticeable warning sign of one was an unusual chill especially leg chill the week before the (last) Aug/Sept 1994 one. But for more discussion of such highs and related clear sky lightning and solar flares and lunar and sunspot cycle patterns see my web page http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html . On it I also mention things such as my experience of shaktipat, thorn acupuncture awakening of hands and feet, mystic spark effects, kundalini effects (the shaktipat, powerful just to the side of third eye warming during pranayama, shower of sparks out the back top of my head during chakra meditation), powerful tingling/cooling/warming/throbbing of fingers and hands at times, which I thought was related to geomagnetic activity but now am not sure, and lots more. I’d write some more but have to run off home now, but anyway I am mainly interested in the throat hot spot, though I would also like to learn of any past eastern figures who had cycles like mine (so far I have a fair bit of evidence for celtic pagan figures but less for others). But for example the Buddha had seven years of ascetic years, like my low years which I hope will end Saturday [at 7 years and 5 lunar months], and battled Mara [like a waxing gibbous moon trial with release at full moon], and encountered the Naga water serpent [blue clear sky lightning]. Also Krishna is describe as the butter thief [so waning butter, or waning crescent moon] and is said to have battled demons [so again waxing gibbous moon trial with release/resurrection at full moon]. I also relate the blue lotus/blue Krishna to my blue rose vision. But I do relate myself more to celtic pagan figures such as Taliesin, Finn (Fionn), Amergin, Cu Chulainn and Myrddin so far. David http://www.nfld.com/~dalton

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Have you tried circulating the Qi back down to the tandian or even the feet? I’d be a bit worried that the glands may get over stimulated? Rgds, M

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You may be correct, but in this case, I suspect that the problem might be a little deeper than that. t well…I agree with you..esp since I couldn’t make any sense of the entire post…but the description of a "hot spot" in that location waved a red flag at me..and I felt obligated to throw out a little "common sense".. I will never forget the afternoon my hubby started complaining of bilateral elbow pain…nothing else..and I asked all the right questions…chest. jaw.sweating..etc etc….so we both "assumed" it might be a viral thing…a few hours later when the "nuclear golf ball" hit his sternum..well..you can imagine the rest!!! hawki

Like I said, you could be right. One thing that occurs to me is that improper technique with practices such as Qi Gong can cause some very serious health problems. From the post it seems that the poster might have tried a variety of energy practices but may not have stuck with any long enough to learn some of the important parts. If so, he could very well have injured himself. Just an opinion. t

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You may be correct, but in this case, I suspect that the problem might be a little deeper than that. t well…I agree with you..esp since I couldn’t make any sense of the entire post…but the description of a "hot spot" in that location waved a red flag at me..and I felt obligated to throw out a little "common sense".. I will never forget the afternoon my hubby started complaining of bilateral elbow pain…nothing else..and I asked all the right questions…chest. jaw.sweating..etc etc….so we both "assumed" it might be a viral thing…a few hours later when the "nuclear golf ball" hit his sternum..well..you can imagine the rest!!! hawki Like I said, you could be right. One thing that occurs to me is that improper technique with practices such as Qi Gong can cause some very serious health problems. From the post it seems that the poster might have tried a variety of energy practices but may not have stuck with any long enough to learn some of the important parts. If so, he could very well have injured himself. Just an opinion. t

Total Bullshit, Tools. Qi Gong will do nothing of the sort and close to nothing at all.

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I have had a very solid founding in Iyengar yoga including some pranayama and chakra meditation and my former yoga teacher advised me to stop (for that instance) doing a certain pranayama exercise if I noticed unusual effects and I did. Regarding qi gong, I have done very little yet, I just did two free tai chi classes once and a very little qi gong was included, and I have the book Way of Energy and may have done a few basic moves from there but not in years. However I think that careful yoga and qi gong practice will only serve to help me manage my cycles and energetic effects rather than worsen them. I attribute my energetic effects more to my major mystic call which involved a solar flare/shaktipat/clear sky lightning/naked sun stare/thorn hill climb (painful acupuncture)/blue rose (not lotus) vision than to my yoga and other practices. That is I am a little more sensitive to and connected to certain environmental factors than some, though if you believe that The Buddha reached enlightenment at the end of his seven years of ascetic years, in my case I have not yet come out of my seven years of low/incubation years yet but hope to soon and hope to improve more then. In either yoga or qi gong energy work the most important things are proper breathing and also grounding and connection with the environment. I pay attention to all that, for example when I do things to try and enhance musical concerts, and when I do such things I don’t have any negative feedback. But of course I have lots to learn, and am sure (and hope) that that will always be true. OK, that’s all from me until Sunday or maybe even Monday. David http://www.nfld.com/~dalton

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[medtools wrote]: Like I said, you could be right. One thing that occurs to me is that improper technique with practices such as Qi Gong can cause some very serious health problems. From the post it seems that the poster might have tried a variety of energy practices but may not have stuck with any long enough to learn some of the important parts. If so, he could very well have injured himself. Just an opinion. Total Bullshit, Tools. Qi Gong will do nothing of the sort and close to nothing at all.

Actually, the mental aspect of qi gong (meditation) can indeed do harm if practiced to excess. It’s even a recognized syndrome. Doing the physical exercises wrong probably won’t do a lot of harm, but you won’t get the benefits either. None of what I’m saying here has anything to do with "energy practices". — David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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You may be correct, but in this case, I suspect that the problem might be a little deeper than that. t

well…I agree with you..esp since I couldn’t make any sense of the entire post…but the description of a "hot spot" in that location waved a red flag at me..and I felt obligated to throw out a little "common sense".. I will never forget the afternoon my hubby started complaining of bilateral elbow pain…nothing else..and I asked all the right questions…chest. jaw.sweating..etc etc….so we both "assumed" it might be a viral thing…a few hours later when the "nuclear golf ball" hit his sternum..well..you can imagine the rest!!! hawki

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In the last few days I have again had a fairly steady hot spot in and just above the v-notch at the top of my breastbone, so at the base of my throat (though I thought the throat David….whilst I hate to even suggest this….what you describe (unfortunatly) could indicate problems with your heart!!! Pains of impending heart attack can and do occur in the strangest places…and sometimes this pain can be the ONLY indication….

Well, my blood pressure is fine, my resting and exercising pulse rate is fine, I’m a non-smoker, my cholesterol is fine (but my blood triglycerides were up for a while but have been down to normal range since I came off olanzapine in mid-March) and I do lots of walking and some badminton and am only 39, so I sincerely doubt it is a warning sign of heart problems. Also it is not a pain but a warming and there is no pain or shortness of breath, and the warming is just on the surface and just above the breastbone rather that lower or beneath the breastbone and does not worsen with exercise. I have experienced this before but not in a while, and attribute it to bioenergetic effects which I thought a subset of misc.health.alternative, possibly those involved in Chinese traditional medicine, would know something about. Over the years I have also experienced warming of fingers, palms, occasionally feet, a spot just to the side of the third eye chakra, solar plexus, genitals, and my right elbow where a certain woman once touched me and view such things as bioenergetic/mystical signs (though some might like to think they are delusions) and don’t feel they are a sign of heart disease or arthritis or any other physical illness and welcome them rather than being troubled by them but again hoped to find an explanation for the phenomenom from someone experienced in alternative medicine (not Western medicine). But thanks for the warning. David http://www.nfld.com/~dalton

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In the last few days I have again had a fairly steady hot spot in and just above the v-notch at the top of my breastbone, so at the base of my throat (though I thought the throat David….whilst I hate to even suggest this….what you describe (unfortunatly) could indicate problems with your heart!!! Pains of impending heart attack can and do occur in the strangest places…and sometimes this pain can be the ONLY indication…. Well, my blood pressure is fine, my resting and exercising pulse rate is fine, I’m a non-smoker, my cholesterol is fine (but my blood triglycerides were up for a while but have been down to normal range since I came off olanzapine in mid-March) and I do lots of walking and some badminton and am only 39, so I sincerely doubt it is a warning sign of heart problems. Also it is not a pain but a warming and there is no pain or shortness of breath, and the warming is just on the surface and just above the breastbone rather that lower or beneath the breastbone and does not worsen with exercise. I have experienced this before but not in a while, and attribute it to bioenergetic effects which I thought a subset of misc.health.alternative, possibly those involved in Chinese traditional medicine, would know something about. Over the years I have also experienced warming of fingers, palms, occasionally feet, a spot just to the side of the third eye chakra, solar plexus, genitals, and my right elbow where a certain woman once touched me and view such things as bioenergetic/mystical signs (though some might like to think they are delusions) and don’t feel they are a sign of heart disease or arthritis or any other physical illness and welcome them rather than being troubled by them but again hoped to find an explanation for the phenomenom from someone experienced in alternative medicine (not Western medicine). But thanks for the warning. David http://www.nfld.com/~dalton

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You may be correct, but in this case, I suspect that the problem might be a little deeper than that.

Well, perhaps you consider the rest of my post other than the bit on the hot spot to be delusional but I was mainly concerned with the hot spot (although you may consider that also to be just a sign of mental illness, in which case I would wonder what you are doing in an alternative medicine group). But certainly I think that people who think that Jesus was not human are delusional, and people who think there was ever a last Opener of the Way are also delusional as the divine teat was never cut off. (However in one sense they may be right since each Opener of the Way tends to forge new ground and often a new path, though the Jewish one once allowed regular updates, and hence you could say there was a last Opener of the Way within a static path but certainly not outside it, plus an Opener of the Way can start in a static path, as Jesus did in Judaism, and crack a way to a new one.) Plus part of my argument is that major celtic pagan figures were similar to and just as good as founders of some major world religions. However all that is off-topic in this thread and on this group and I am mainly interested in the hot spot. DRD http://www.nfld.com/~dalton

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In the last few days I have again had a fairly steady hot spot in and just above the v-notch at the top of my breastbone, so at the base of my throat (though I thought the throat

David….whilst I hate to even suggest this….what you describe (unfortunatly) could indicate problems with your heart!!! Pains of impending heart attack can and do occur in the strangest places…and sometimes this pain can be the ONLY indication…. may I suggest you either see your doc TODAY or go to an ER…better to be safe than sorry…. I am not familiar with the rest of the things you describe…but it makes sense to rule out "organic" causes before attempting other such remedies.. my h.o. only of course good luck… hawki

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In the last few days I have again had a fairly steady hot spot in and just above the v-notch at the top of my breastbone, so at the base of my throat (though I thought the throat David….whilst I hate to even suggest this….what you describe (unfortunatly) could indicate problems with your heart!!! Pains of impending heart attack can and do occur in the strangest places…and sometimes this pain can be the ONLY indication…. may I suggest you either see your doc TODAY or go to an ER…better to be safe than sorry…. I am not familiar with the rest of the things you describe…but it makes sense to rule out "organic" causes before attempting other such remedies.. my h.o. only of course good luck… hawki

You may be correct, but in this case, I suspect that the problem might be a little deeper than that. t

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(But I know in qigong probably the throat chakra is described as a nexus of meridians or something?) In the last few days I have again had a fairly steady hot spot in and just above the v-notch at the top of my breastbone, so at the base of my throat (though I thought the throat chakra was slightly higher than that, a little closer to the adam’s apple). This has occurred before but not in a while, and it isn’t partularly troublesome but sometimes I pull down my t-shirt to free/open/cool it (but haven’t gone to a v-neck shirt). So anyway I was just wondering if it might be a sign of anything, or what might be causing it or whether I should perhaps do any yoga chakra meditation, pranayama or qigong exercises, none of which I have been doing for a while. I am hoping that this throat hot spot might be an early sign of a waning crescent high which I hope might start at summer solstice last quarter. However in the previous five such highs I don’t remember such a hot spot, the only noticeable warning sign of one was an unusual chill especially leg chill the week before the (last) Aug/Sept 1994 one. But for more discussion of such highs and related clear sky lightning and solar flares and lunar and sunspot cycle patterns see my web page http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html . On it I also mention things such as my experience of shaktipat, thorn acupuncture awakening of hands and feet, mystic spark effects, kundalini effects (the shaktipat, powerful just to the side of third eye warming during pranayama, shower of sparks out the back top of my head during chakra meditation), powerful tingling/cooling/warming/throbbing of fingers and hands at times, which I thought was related to geomagnetic activity but now am not sure, and lots more. I’d write some more but have to run off home now, but anyway I am mainly interested in the throat hot spot, though I would also like to learn of any past eastern figures who had cycles like mine (so far I have a fair bit of evidence for celtic pagan figures but less for others). But for example the Buddha had seven years of ascetic years, like my low years which I hope will end Saturday [at 7 years and 5 lunar months], and battled Mara [like a waxing gibbous moon trial with release at full moon], and encountered the Naga water serpent [blue clear sky lightning]. Also Krishna is describe as the butter thief [so waning butter, or waning crescent moon] and is said to have battled demons [so again waxing gibbous moon trial with release/resurrection at full moon]. I also relate the blue lotus/blue Krishna to my blue rose vision. But I do relate myself more to celtic pagan figures such as Taliesin, Finn (Fionn), Amergin, Cu Chulainn and Myrddin so far. David http://www.nfld.com/~dalton

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yoga and kundalini

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi! There are hundreds, yes, even thousands, of people who have gone insane of yoga exercises. Not only Gopi Krishna has written about the dangers of these practises. In Indian books you can find more warnings, they know much more than westerners. Here are personal stories from the dark side of yoga: http://kundalini-info.org/hatha-yoga.html http://kundalini-info.org/hassled.html http://kundalini-info.org/siddha.html http://kundalini-info.org/shit.html With love Maya

You wear your name well, and function just as it is defined.

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Hi! There are hundreds, yes, even thousands, of people who have gone insane of yoga exercises.

My dear Maya: Those people that you are talking about are not gone insane of yoga exercises. They were allready insane,lunatic,problamatic people, so some come to solve their problems by yoga. But yoga also has limitations. The cause is not YOGA exercises. The cause is their unawareness of their inner situation!!!Yoga has no power to rectify all the illness on the world.Yoga can aligne normal people. Yoga is not a science of OCCULTISM.People who look after such an occultism can find themselves in a lunatic formation .This is very natural.Don`t you think so? With compassion. Puma – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not only Gopi Krishna has written about the dangers of these practises. In Indian books you can find more warnings, they know much more than westerners. Here are personal stories from the dark side of yoga: http://kundalini-info.org/hatha-yoga.html http://kundalini-info.org/hassled.html http://kundalini-info.org/siddha.html http://kundalini-info.org/shit.html With love Maya Hi! Gopi Krishna about yoga and kundalini: http://kundalini-info.org/kundalini_krishna.html Read more about the dangers: http://kundalini-info.org/kundalini.html http://kundalini-info.org/engkni.html Shanti Dear Maya Shanti: Not only Gopi Krishnabut many others talk about KUNDALINI, but these people who talk about DANGER in KUNDALINI, know nothing about it. First of all KUNDALINI is not a PHYSICAL EVENT. IT is a subtel matter as CHAKRAS are. So KUNDALINI in its essence is a sort of methaphoric explanation. This can be read in LIGHT OF YOGA by B.K.S. IYENGAR,one of the best living YOGA MASTER. Why don`t you try to rise your own KUNDALINI instead believing what others say!!!! IF one KNOWS he/she does not believe, If one believes, HE/SHE does not know. This can be applied into all matters. With compassion, PUMA

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Greetings, Kundalini is so rare so difficult too experience that its doubtful a single article you listed was even related kundalini……100% listed were doubtful Doubtful youll ever even be able to find one article of a complaining nature. You listed almost entirely psychcology, testimony, and no two articles shared much with each other and some might get my drift here . The few in a trillion if even that high a number will be happy ever after in this life completely satisfied at life and what life had to offer. The first link first article testimony beginning of states: Kundalini his/her shoes the earth the other side of the universe a hole to china…… how absolutely stupid and ive read that kundalini goes down before so up so now maybe it goes right left backwards or loop de within this poppycock…….JD (more superstitions & psychology) Hi! There are hundreds, yes, even thousands, of people who have gone insane of yoga exercises. Not only Gopi Krishna has written about the dangers of these practises. In Indian books you can find more warnings, they know much more than westerners. Here are personal stories from the dark side of yoga: http://kundalini-info.org/hatha-yoga.html http://kundalini-info.org/hassled.html http://kundalini-info.org/siddha.html http://kundalini-info.org/shit.html With love Maya

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Hi! There are hundreds, yes, even thousands, of people who have gone insane of yoga exercises. Not only Gopi Krishna has written about the dangers of these practises. In Indian books you can find more warnings, they know much more than westerners. Here are personal stories from the dark side of yoga: http://kundalini-info.org/hatha-yoga.html http://kundalini-info.org/hassled.html http://kundalini-info.org/siddha.html http://kundalini-info.org/shit.html With love Maya

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi! Gopi Krishna about yoga and kundalini: http://kundalini-info.org/kundalini_krishna.html Read more about the dangers: http://kundalini-info.org/kundalini.html http://kundalini-info.org/engkni.html Shanti Dear Maya Shanti: Not only Gopi Krishnabut many others talk about KUNDALINI, but these people who talk about DANGER in KUNDALINI, know nothing about it. First of all KUNDALINI is not a PHYSICAL EVENT. IT is a subtel matter as CHAKRAS are. So KUNDALINI in its essence is a sort of methaphoric explanation. This can be read in LIGHT OF YOGA by B.K.S. IYENGAR,one of the best living YOGA MASTER. Why don`t you try to rise your own KUNDALINI instead believing what others say!!!! IF one KNOWS he/she does not believe, If one believes, HE/SHE does not know. This can be applied into all matters. With compassion, PUMA

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Hi! Gopi Krishna about yoga and kundalini: http://kundalini-info.org/kundalini_krishna.html Read more about the dangers: http://kundalini-info.org/kundalini.html http://kundalini-info.org/engkni.html Shanti

Dear Maya Shanti: Not only Gopi Krishnabut many others talk about KUNDALINI, but these people who talk about DANGER in KUNDALINI, know nothing about it. First of all KUNDALINI is not a PHYSICAL EVENT. IT is a subtel matter as CHAKRAS are. So KUNDALINI in its essence is a sort of methaphoric explanation. This can be read in LIGHT OF YOGA by B.K.S. IYENGAR,one of the best living YOGA MASTER. Why don`t you try to rise your own KUNDALINI instead believing what others say!!!! IF one KNOWS he/she does not believe, If one believes, HE/SHE does not know. This can be applied into all matters. With compassion, PUMA

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Did you have a bad experience? Few in this NG have anything to worry about. Its very peculiar how some people warn against Kundalini and most don’t believe there is any such thing. Probably half in this NG are atheist and another full quarter believe in all kinds of other bizzare ideas. You would do at least as well on alt.philosophy where they also think they are their minds/ego-personalities. They are ’special’. ‘Individuals.’ Should you be so lucky as to find people that even have the possibility of raising Kundalini. Gopi Krishna was not too bright. Read his books and count the number of times he mentions the word God or hatha yoga or pranayama or sadhana. I don’t blame him for his problems but I do not sympathize with him either. He may have fried his mind at the time and could not think straight but he lived in one of the most holy places on earth/ if help could be had – he was where it was. Laksmanjoo was in his area at the time. Kashmir Shaivism is where he was. It is very true Kundalini can cause great difficulty.

Gopi Krishna was an idiot. Read any of his books and he is so caught up on his one experience of kundalini. He can’t get over it, he is so obsessed. People read his stuff, see that he is obsessed with kundalini, then they become obsessed with kundalini. Living with Kundalini isn’t even a good book. The better book is "Kundalini: The Evolutionary Energy in Man" by Gopi Krishna. What makes this book good is that there is a psychological commentary by James Hillman. Mr. Hillman goes into detail about different aspects of Gopi’s bad trip and the results of this bad trip. A lot of the Kundalini stuff in the help sites on the web relate to garbage also. Bad experiences from drugs and your account of UFO’s do not qualify as Kundalini experiences. Nor does your latest Tantric sex experience. Garbage is everywhere. Next Power Yoga will tell you how to raise Kundalini while you eat lunch or sleep….

Yes, these kundalini idiots worship the kundalini. They think kundalini is "God", but it is not. Some even think the kundalini is a goddess that is very enchanting. "Idiots," I tell ya, "idiots!" Raise kundalini through eating or sleeping??? Nya ha ha har har har! As always, Swami – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike Dubbeld Hi! Gopi Krishna about yoga and kundalini: http://kundalini-info.org/kundalini_krishna.html Read more about the dangers: http://kundalini-info.org/kundalini.html http://kundalini-info.org/engkni.html Shanti

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Did you have a bad experience? Few in this NG have anything to worry about. Its very peculiar how some people warn against Kundalini and most don’t believe there is any such thing. Probably half in this NG are atheist and another full quarter believe in all kinds of other bizzare ideas. You would do at least as well on alt.philosophy where they also think they are their minds/ego-personalities. They are ’special’. ‘Individuals.’ Should you be so lucky as to find people that even have the possibility of raising Kundalini. Gopi Krishna was not too bright. Read his books and count the number of times he mentions the word God or hatha yoga or pranayama or sadhana. I don’t blame him for his problems but I do not sympathize with him either. He may have fried his mind at the time and could not think straight but he lived in one of the most holy places on earth/ if help could be had – he was where it was. Laksmanjoo was in his area at the time. Kashmir Shaivism is where he was. It is very true Kundalini can cause great difficulty. A lot of the Kundalini stuff in the help sites on the web relate to garbage also. Bad experiences from drugs and your account of UFO’s do not qualify as Kundalini experiences. Nor does your latest Tantric sex experience. Garbage is everywhere. Next Power Yoga will tell you how to raise Kundalini while you eat lunch or sleep…. Mike Dubbeld

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thankyou for direction

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Diane wrote Dear Friend, Don’t do anything on your own. Find a yoga/spiritual community with some teachers you can relate to and trust. I’m concerned that you may do more harm than good by trying to go it alone with advice from people on the web who don’t know you. Good luck to you

Well Diane, since you don’t think it is right to give advice to strangers on the web, perhaps you should refrain from doing the same? If people SINCERELY seek help, without any ulterior motive, it is only fair to help them if we can. Try to be more sincere in future. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I thankyou all for your help in the right direction.I know this light has always been there but I guess I am also afraid of the power that comes with the enlightenment.How do you channel all that energy do you send it back to god or evenly spread it out among the chakras?I am going to have to find a yoga master in the cleve. ohio area any refferals?Allura Don’t worry about where to send energy. Your body cannot hold more energy than it has capacity for. Work on balancing the chakras instead. Meditate on each chakra in turn starting from the root chakra. Remember in the healthy state energy is never static, it is constantly circulating.

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Dear Friend, Don’t do anything on your own. Find a yoga/spiritual community with some teachers you can relate to and trust. I’m concerned that you may do more harm than good by trying to go it alone with advice from people on the web who don’t know you. Good luck to you

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I thankyou all for your help in the right direction.I know this light has always been there but I guess I am also afraid of the power that comes with the enlightenment.How do you channel all that energy do you send it back to god or evenly spread it out among the chakras?I am going to have to find a yoga master in the cleve. ohio area any refferals?Allura Don’t worry about where to send energy. Your body cannot hold more energy than it has capacity for. Work on balancing the chakras instead. Meditate on each chakra in turn starting from the root chakra. Remember in the healthy state energy is never static, it is constantly circulating.

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I thankyou all for your help in the right direction.I know this light has always been there but I guess I am also afraid of the power that comes with the enlightenment.How do you channel all that energy do you send it back to god or evenly spread it out among the chakras?I am going to have to find a yoga master in the cleve. ohio area any refferals?Allura

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Don’t worry about where to send energy. Your body cannot hold more energy than it has capacity for. Work on balancing the chakras instead. Meditate on each chakra in turn starting from the root chakra. Remember in the healthy state energy is never static, it is constantly circulating.

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Silver Spur, Silver Spirit or Silver Shadow? :-)

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Swami Da

Who cares anymore? Obviously you do,

Obviously you do, since you know so much about what the bhagwan said, how his organization operated etc, since you have in past threads used him as example of guru. because you go on, "blah, blah, blah". You are boring me with this continuous nonsense. I don’t like to be bored.

ah boredom, the malady of shallow intellect. a common occurance when coming in contact with ideas that one does not like or understand. This exchange is through.

suits me.

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Osho’s students prided themselves on getting him new Rolls-Royces all the time. I’ll say it again, "Why does it matter?

"Ever heard of Aparigraha?" Simply put, greedlessness. Further definition, non-hoarding. Seems to me it has some applicablity to the "bhoghawans" lifestyle.

It may have seemed that Osho had been hoarding these things. But he road in whatever car his students brought him. It happened to be a Rolls-Royce. When an organization gets as big as Osho’s did, it is very hard to control every aspect of it. Yes, he could have left the organization, went away to the mountains and become an escapist. But he didn’t. Live with it. He is dead! Swami

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Swami Da

Osho’s students prided themselves on getting him new Rolls-Royces all the time. I’ll say it again, "Why does it matter? "Ever heard of Aparigraha?" Simply put, greedlessness. Further definition, non-hoarding.

and can be defined further, as non- accumulation of material goods which are superfluous to existence, as well as making proper use of those material objects which one does have for the all round welfare of self and society. Seems to me it has some applicablity to the "bhoghawans" lifestyle. It may have seemed that Osho had been hoarding these things. But he road in whatever car his students brought him. It happened to be a Rolls-Royce.

one car fine. second R-R for back-up, just in case, no problem. but a fleet of R-Rs (more than 100 from what I gather) is pure B.S. When an organization gets as big as Osho’s did, it is very hard to control every aspect of it. Yes, he could have left the organization, went away to the mountains and become an escapist.

??? and why would he do that? But as long as you are speculating in the realms of "could have," he could have also set out proper guidlines, yama niyama, for his students, for the organization, and made sure they were enforced. He could have ordered the excess R-Rs sold off. He could have questioned the appearance of any new R-R, and sent it with haste back to the doner. He could have educated his students on proper utilization of material wealth. He could have, but he didn’t. Live with it, his was bhoga sadhana – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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"and can be defined further, as non- accumulation of material goods which are superfluous to existence, as well as making proper use of those material objects which one does have for the all round welfare of self and society." Thats what I meant when I said, "Further definition, non-hoarding".

"one car fine. second R-R for back-up, just in case, no problem. but a fleet of R-Rs (more than 100 from what I gather) is pure B.S." Yes, agreeable. It was a little excessive, but hey, the man is dead and the world has moved on. Lets drop it.

"But as long as you are speculating in the realms of "could have," he could have also set out proper guidlines, yama niyama, for his students, for the organization, and made sure they were enforced." He could have done many things? But he didn’t, he did what he did and that is the end of the story. I used my little reference of escpasim as his way out of the organization, but obviously that couldn’t have happened, because he was stuck in his position.

"He could have ordered the excess R-Rs sold off. He could have questioned the appearance of any new R-R, and sent it with haste back to the doner. He could have educated his students on proper utilization of material wealth." Yup, could have done many of these things, but we don’t even know if he tried or not. His story is dead!

"He could have, but he didn’t." Yup, correct.

"Live with it, his was bhoga sadhana." Why do I have to live with it? I could care less about the dead old man. I was only stating facts about him, his organization and the reason he gave for riding around in Rolls-Royces. Swami

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He could have done many things? But he didn’t, he did what he did and that is the end of the story. I used my little reference of escpasim as his way out of the organization, but obviously that couldn’t have happened, because he was stuck in his position.

Yes, the poor helpless Bhagwan. as Puma would say,"Wake up man!" "He could have ordered the excess R-Rs sold off. He could have questioned the appearance of any new R-R, and sent it with haste back to the doner. He could have educated his students on proper utilization of material wealth." Yup, could have done many of these things, but we don’t even know if he tried or not. His story is dead!

if you could find a reference advocating adherence to yama niyam in any of his writings we could at least know his views on the subject, and consequently so would his "students" have known. snip< I was only stating facts about him, his organization and the reason he gave for riding around in Rolls-Royces.

that is what I thought. it was lame when the Bhogiwan said it. It is even lamer when an apologist such as yourself repeats it. you seem to be operating under at least one misconception regarding the bhogiwan. he did not have "students". his "students," as you call them were disciples, devotees. part of the "student" gig was to have on your person at all times a picture of rajneesh, usually in locket on chain around the neck. so lets call a spade a spade and a groupie a groupie. also you seem to have fairly shallow insight into interpersonal relationship dynamics. when you have a bunch of people (devotees, or groupies depending on your slant) hanging on your every word, who want what they think you have to offer, it is VERY EASY to control their behaviour, very easy to get a fleet of R-R’s, if that is what you want. acting pleased with the first one gets you the second. after all the devotees live to make the guru happy. acting similarily with the second guarantees the third. and so on. You could really get them rolling in if you started expressing desire for certain features, colours etc. just basic positive reinforcement. You certainly will not be getting many more if on recieving the third, and any more that may follow, you start calling people stupid idiots for wasting time and money on such frivolities, and lecturing them on aparigraha. Why? because the devotees wants to make the guru happy, and if the rollsroyce does not do it any more, the devotees will try something else. perhaps expensive watches will work.

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HBKTA, Who cares anymore? Obviously you do, because you go on, "blah, blah, blah". You are boring me with this continuous nonsense. I don’t like to be bored. This exchange is through. Swami

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – He could have done many things? But he didn’t, he did what he did and that is the end of the story. I used my little reference of escpasim as his way out of the organization, but obviously that couldn’t have happened, because he was stuck in his position. Yes, the poor helpless Bhagwan. as Puma would say,"Wake up man!" "He could have ordered the excess R-Rs sold off. He could have questioned the appearance of any new R-R, and sent it with haste back to the doner. He could have educated his students on proper utilization of material wealth." Yup, could have done many of these things, but we don’t even know if he tried or not. His story is dead! if you could find a reference advocating adherence to yama niyam in any of his writings we could at least know his views on the subject, and consequently so would his "students" have known. snip< I was only stating facts about him, his organization and the reason he gave for riding around in Rolls-Royces. that is what I thought. it was lame when the Bhogiwan said it. It is even lamer when an apologist such as yourself repeats it. you seem to be operating under at least one misconception regarding the bhogiwan. he did not have "students". his "students," as you call them were disciples, devotees. part of the "student" gig was to have on your person at all times a picture of rajneesh, usually in locket on chain around the neck. so lets call a spade a spade and a groupie a groupie. also you seem to have fairly shallow insight into interpersonal relationship dynamics. when you have a bunch of people (devotees, or groupies depending on your slant) hanging on your every word, who want what they think you have to offer, it is VERY EASY to control their behaviour, very easy to get a fleet of R-R’s, if that is what you want. acting pleased with the first one gets you the second. after all the devotees live to make the guru happy. acting similarily with the second guarantees the third. and so on. You could really get them rolling in if you started expressing desire for certain features, colours etc. just basic positive reinforcement. You certainly will not be getting many more if on recieving the third, and any more that may follow, you start calling people stupid idiots for wasting time and money on such frivolities, and lecturing them on aparigraha. Why? because the devotees wants to make the guru happy, and if the rollsroyce does not do it any more, the devotees will try something else. perhaps expensive watches will work.

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Yes, but Rajnessh was very profound if you go by the numbers.\

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Aparigraha – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Is it neccessary to own one or more Rolls-Royce cars to become a successful Yoga master? The more Rolls I have the more spiritual I become? How many Rolls do I need for a Samadhi? How many for enlightment?" Swami Da Prem replies: Why does it matter? The man is long dead! I find it very amusing people still fight and bicker and talk about Osho "having" 80-something Rolls-Royces. It was his worldwide organization that owned the Rolls-Royces. He was only comfortable in one kind of car seat and it happened to belong to a very expenseive car, the Rolls-Royce. Osho’s students prided themselves on getting him new Rolls-Royces all the time. I’ll say it again, "Why does it matter?

Ever heard of Aparigraha? As a "swami" surely you have. Seems to me it has some applicablity to the "bhoghawans" lifestyle. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The man is long dead!" Swami

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That is pretty funny. Does this mean we have idiots in yoga? You bet it does. Smile for the camera. "Yoga – oh yeah. I know what that is – easy aerobics and if you are an instructor you can make a ton of money. I used to do yoga but playing soccer is much better. Took up Zen, where if you are good at crossword puzzles and koans you can say you are enlightened." The almighty buck goes a lonnnnng way. So does the billion dollar diet industry. Easy, politically correct exercise turns a lot of heads. The fooled and the fooler. The former are simply ignorant. The latter shoots for 100 Rolls Royces. I wonder if he is a role model in India where children want to grow up to own a 1000 Rolls Royces? Mike Dubbeld

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello I just read about Osho (aka Bhagwan)–so there ascended a question within my Kundalini: Is it neccessary to own one or more Rolls-Royce cars to become a successful Yoga master? The more Rolls I have the more spiritual I become? How many Rolls do I need for a Samadhi? How many for enlightment? Soem :-)

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"Is it neccessary to own one or more Rolls-Royce cars to become a successful Yoga master? The more Rolls I have the more spiritual I become? How many Rolls do I need for a Samadhi? How many for enlightment?" Why does it matter? The man is long dead! I find it very amusing people still fight and bicker and talk about Osho "having" 80-something Rolls-Royces. It was his worldwide organization that owned the Rolls-Royces. He was only comfortable in one kind of car seat and it happened to belong to a very expenseive car, the Rolls-Royce. Osho’s students prided themselves on getting him new Rolls-Royces all the time. I’ll say it again, "Why does it matter? The man is long dead!" Swami

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Power Yoga is a Joke

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A yogi must be aware of the facts! Yogis must be aware that the world is bigger than themselves. Yogies know it but apparently you do not know it, as you do not know about yoga So you’ve found yourself cornered by your own hubris, and claim especial enlightenment. LOL! Carl Sagan taught us how to use the Bologna Detection Kit: You’ve been detected. Gee, it appears now very clearly that, you have only the name of CARL SAGAN, but not any info regarding Bologna Detection Kit

Do you read? If you do, I’ll be happy to provide bibliographic information you could use to read Carl Sagan’s wise words about the Bologna Detection Kit that you’ve been tripped up by. i am sorry but you need to learn those rules of yoga first, then you will not claim anything that you have no info anymore.Power yoga is invented by money makers not by the real yogies….

"The only true God is Allah!" "The only true God is the Jewish God!" "The only true God is the Christian trinity!" "There is no true God!" "The only truth is what I say is true!" You fit in with all of them, Puma. Bologna. —

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New to the group with questions about Hatha yoga

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Hi, I’ve taken a few months of Hatha Yoga classes and recently did some I-Net research on Kriya Yoga. I was wondering in someone out their could better differentiate the two?

Hatha Yoga or Sun Moon Yoga is mainly asanic or posture-centered practice. Pranayam and meditation plays a secondary role. The traditonal founder of Hatha was the sage Goraksha. Kriya Yoga is the same oneness methodology expounded by the sage Patanjali in the Yoga Sutras. unfortunately, the person who said that Patanjali’s yoga is Hatha is totally IGNORANT about yoga. Please be informed that 99% of those that are posting here in alt.yoga doesn’t know anything about yoga. Of the remaining 1% most are practitioners of bullock cart yogas. BKS Iyengar, the author of Light on Pranayama that he endorsed, admitted that Raja Yoga (the popular name for Patanjali’s Kriya Yoga) and Hatha Yoga are DIFFERENT (see Light on Yoga, page 4 paragraph 6). Maharshi Patanjali only spoke about one type of yoga in his sutras, and that is "Kriya Yoga". tapah-svadhyayeshvara-pranidhanani kriya-yogah (sutra 53) Performance of austerities, constructive self-analysis and devotional surrender to the Lord constitute Kriya Yoga. Paramhansa Yogananda, the Father of Yoga in America, was the first Yoga master to come to the west (Vivekananda who came to America in 1893 taught Vedanta and not Yoga). I said "the first Yoga master" instead of "the first Kriya Yoga master" because Yogananda was a indeed a master of yoga as a whole (bhakti, gyana, hatha, karma, mantra, raj, laya and tantra), and he taught them all. But he gave the most emphasis to Kriya Yoga. Why? Here is why: "Kriya Yoga is an instrument through which human evolution can be quickened," Sri Yukteswar explained to his students. "The ancient yogis discovered that the secret of cosmic consciousness is intimately linked with breath mastery. This is India’s unique and deathless contribution to the world’s treasury of knowledge. The life force, which is ordinarily absorbed in maintaining the heart-pump, must be freed for higher activities by a method of calming and stilling the ceaseless demands of the breath." The Kriya Yogi mentally directs his life energy to revolve, upward and downward, around the six spinal centers (medullary, cervical, dorsal, lumbar, sacral, and coccygeal plexuses) which correspond to the twelve astral signs of the zodiac, the symbolic Cosmic Man. One-half minute of revolution of energy around the sensitive spinal cord of man effects subtle progress in his evolution; that half-minute of Kriya equals one year of natural spiritual unfoldment. The astral system of a human being, with six (twelve by polarity) inner constellations revolving around the sun of the omniscient spiritual eye, is interrelated with the physical sun and the twelve zodiacal signs. All men are thus affected by an inner and an outer universe. The ancient rishis discovered that man’s earthly and heavenly environment, in twelve-year cycles, push him forward on his natural path. The scriptures aver that man requires a million years of normal, diseaseless evolution to perfect his human brain sufficiently to express cosmic consciousness. One thousand Kriya practiced in eight hours gives the yogi, in one day, the equivalent of one thousand years of natural evolution: 365,000 years of evolution in one year. In three years, a Kriya Yogi can thus accomplish by intelligent self-effort the same result which nature brings to pass in a million years. The Kriya short cut, of course, can be taken only by deeply developed yogis. With the guidance of a guru, such yogis have carefully prepared their bodies and brains to receive the power created by intensive practice. The Kriya beginner employs his yogic exercise only fourteen to twenty-eight times, twice daily. A number of yogis achieve emancipation in six or twelve or twenty-four or forty-eight years. A yogi who dies before achieving full realization carries with him the good karma of his past Kriya effort; in his new life he is harmoniously propelled toward his Infinite Goal. The body of the average man is like a fifty-watt lamp, which cannot accommodate the billion watts of power roused by an excessive practice of Kriya. Through gradual and regular increase of the simple and "foolproof" methods of Kriya, man’s body becomes astrally transformed day by day, and is finally fitted to express the infinite potentials of cosmic energy

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Money for yoga

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Does anyone know of any way to get paid or make money to pursue yoga full time. I’m not into teaching, I just want to really get focused on learning. Jeremy

Maybe you could ask a pretzel company to pay you to master the famous but oh so difficult pretzel pose? — The Ruminating Yoga Cow. Oh la Vache !

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Jeremy, that is a nice idea But I think it won’t work. My Yoga Master use to say: "If you want to know something – read about it. If you want to learn something – practice it. If you want to master something – teach it." There is no better way to learn Yoga then to learn to teach it and to teach it. When you start teaching the learning starts. And it never ends. — Sat Nam – Hari Har Singh FAQ altyoga newsgroup: http://www.altyoga.de.vu Kundalini Yoga: http://www.3ho.de/

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Does anyone know of any way to get paid or make money to pursue yoga full time. I’m not into teaching, I just want to really get focused on learning. Jeremy

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What 4 asanas? Book?

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I heard it was the Five Tibetan Rites of Rejuvenation – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I saw that show as well and was also wondering about the 4 exercises. Any new info on what they are? MC On Thursday, Regis Philbin was on David Letterman’s show. He said that every morning he did 4 exercises that he had learned from a book written by "a man who had been to the Himalayas." Dave asked him to elaborate and Regis described the first, that sounded like a half Ubhaya Padangusthasana. Unfortunately, they got joking around and Regis never did describe the other 3 "exercises." Does anyone know what these might be? Also, any clue as to what book he was referring?

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There is seven exercises. Exercise no.6 is in the book and is for celibate or for someone who have a lot sexual energy. Exercise no.7 I’ve got in my ashram and it’s very simple. Maybe it’s better that you find some yoga master who will teach you. Learning from the book is not good enough. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I heard it was the Five Tibetan Rites of Rejuvenation

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Here you can find a description. http://thenaturalhealthsource.com/Yoga&Meditation/Tibetan_Rites.htm You can find these exercises in a book Five Tibetan Rites of Rejuvenation.It is better to buy a book. http://fivetibetanrites.com/

I would live a description of this exercise, do you have a link?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is seven exercises. Exercise no.6 is in the book and is for celibate or for someone who have a lot sexual energy. Exercise no.7 I’ve got in my ashram and it’s very simple. Maybe it’s better that you find some yoga master who will teach you. Learning from the book is not good enough. I heard it was the Five Tibetan Rites of Rejuvenation

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Yes, I have read the book, but I do not recall a seventh exercise, unless you are referring to the meditation described? Thanks – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here you can find a description. http://thenaturalhealthsource.com/Yoga&Meditation/Tibetan_Rites.htm You can find these exercises in a book Five Tibetan Rites of Rejuvenation.It is better to buy a book. http://fivetibetanrites.com/ I would live a description of this exercise, do you have a link? There is seven exercises. Exercise no.6 is in the book and is for celibate or for someone who have a lot sexual energy. Exercise no.7 I’ve got in my ashram and it’s very simple. Maybe it’s better that you find some yoga master who will teach you. Learning from the book is not good enough. I heard it was the Five Tibetan Rites of Rejuvenation

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Thanks for the replies. I agree one should not learn from a book alone. However, I studied with Iyengar and can handle most asanas on my own. I was just curious about what Regis was talking about. I plan to give the Five a try; they are of course a small subset of asanas. The website describes 5 but there was some mention here of a 6th or 7th exercise. What are those

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On Thursday, Regis Philbin was on David Letterman’s show. He said that every morning he did 4 exercises that he had learned from a book written by "a man who had been to the Himalayas." Dave asked him to elaborate and Regis described the first, that sounded like a half Ubhaya Padangusthasana. Unfortunately, they got joking around and Regis never did describe the other 3 "exercises." Does anyone know what these might be? Also, any clue as to what book he was referring?

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I saw that show as well and was also wondering about the 4 exercises. Any new info on what they are? MC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – On Thursday, Regis Philbin was on David Letterman’s show. He said that every morning he did 4 exercises that he had learned from a book written by "a man who had been to the Himalayas." Dave asked him to elaborate and Regis described the first, that sounded like a half Ubhaya Padangusthasana. Unfortunately, they got joking around and Regis never did describe the other 3 "exercises." Does anyone know what these might be? Also, any clue as to what book he was referring?

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