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Monkfish Those are excellent suggestions.  I especially like the idea of a safe place to go med-free because the medication makes me into a hermit. penguin

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I don’t know if this answers any of your questions, but here we go, anyway . . . What i want to see from the men in white coats: – the recognition that the ‘mentally ill’ are first and foremost human beings and an acceptance of them as equals – facilities made widely availble where people can go to remain med-free in a friendly environment – work in cooperation with meditation teachers, yoga instructors, etc., etc. to develop better coping skills to enable individuals with milder symptoms to manage without meds – the development of better coping skills in general that focus on the individual’s lifestyle in its totality, as an organic whole.  That is, an end to the attempt to eliminate just those aspects labelled by some as ’symptoms’.  This also applies most definitely to the practise of psychotherapy. – a better understanding that sz symptoms and those of other ‘mental illnesses’ derive very directly from those aspects of our being that make us human and that, far too often, ‘curing’ the individual of one ‘cures’ him of the other, as well – an end to rigid neo-Kraeplinian diagnostic criteria, to be replaced by a critical appraisal of each individual on a case-by-case basis, none of this shoe-horning people into one criteria or another, just to keep things orderly.  If you are in love, you will take exception to the suggestion that you have a generic experience of that love.  The same is true with ‘mental illness’.  Our experience is unique and personal and individual to us, whether it is of love and life or of misery and despair. – a better understanding of health/sanity as a positivity; that is, as more than merely the absence of symptoms, coupled with greater efforts to help people reach that goal.  Art, literature, philosophy, religion must play a crucial role in this.  Every shrink and psychiatric case-worker must be made to read and understand Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy, Musil, Camus, Kierkegaard, Nietzsche, Wittgenstein, etc., etc. – and not just as examples of ‘psychopathology’ – an acceptance of the fact that schizophrenic experience often has a legitimate revelatory character, affording religious, philosophical, artistic, etc. insights normally denied the normal population – a wider recognition and acceptance of schizophrenic transcendental experiences in general, but more specifically a recognition of the positive, life-changing benefits such experiences can have.  A crucial aspect of this acceptance has to be a willingness on the part of mental health care professionals to work with individuals to forge a post-psychotic personality that preserves and even builds upon various transcendental or religious schizophrenic experiences to give rise to a recovery identity that does not necessarily conform to accepted cultural standards.  Psychiatry should not concern itself with preserving the status quo but should aim to help as many individuals as possible – ‘mentally ill’ or not – to achieve a mode of existence of optimal health and sanity, living their lives as fully human beings – creative, loving, spontaneous. The group that needs the most urgent help in this regard are psychiatrists themselves. Psychiatrist, heal thyself. That is all.

Very well said.  Thank you Monkfish. Jim

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I don’t know if this answers any of your questions, but here we go, anyway . . . What i want to see from the men in white coats: – the recognition that the ‘mentally ill’ are first and foremost human beings and an acceptance of them as equals – facilities made widely availble where people can go to remain med-free in a friendly environment – work in cooperation with meditation teachers, yoga instructors, etc., etc. to develop better coping skills to enable individuals with milder symptoms to manage without meds – the development of better coping skills in general that focus on the individual’s lifestyle in its totality, as an organic whole.  That is, an end to the attempt to eliminate just those aspects labelled by some as ’symptoms’.  This also applies most definitely to the practise of psychotherapy. – a better understanding that sz symptoms and those of other ‘mental illnesses’ derive very directly from those aspects of our being that make us human and that, far too often, ‘curing’ the individual of one ‘cures’ him of the other, as well – an end to rigid neo-Kraeplinian diagnostic criteria, to be replaced by a critical appraisal of each individual on a case-by-case basis, none of this shoe-horning people into one criteria or another, just to keep things orderly.  If you are in love, you will take exception to the suggestion that you have a generic experience of that love.  The same is true with ‘mental illness’.  Our experience is unique and personal and individual to us, whether it is of love and life or of misery and despair. – a better understanding of health/sanity as a positivity; that is, as more than merely the absence of symptoms, coupled with greater efforts to help people reach that goal.  Art, literature, philosophy, religion must play a crucial role in this.  Every shrink and psychiatric case-worker must be made to read and understand Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy, Musil, Camus, Kierkegaard, Nietzsche, Wittgenstein, etc., etc. – and not just as examples of ‘psychopathology’ – an acceptance of the fact that schizophrenic experience often has a legitimate revelatory character, affording religious, philosophical, artistic, etc. insights normally denied the normal population – a wider recognition and acceptance of schizophrenic transcendental experiences in general, but more specifically a recognition of the positive, life-changing benefits such experiences can have.  A crucial aspect of this acceptance has to be a willingness on the part of mental health care professionals to work with individuals to forge a post-psychotic personality that preserves and even builds upon various transcendental or religious schizophrenic experiences to give rise to a recovery identity that does not necessarily conform to accepted cultural standards.  Psychiatry should not concern itself with preserving the status quo but should aim to help as many individuals as possible – ‘mentally ill’ or not – to achieve a mode of existence of optimal health and sanity, living their lives as fully human beings – creative, loving, spontaneous. The group that needs the most urgent help in this regard are psychiatrists themselves. Psychiatrist, heal thyself. That is all.

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Fly, Your project might not be to the benefit of members of this newsgroup. But some of them might be too gullible to see that. I go by your…. ..scent. Daniel Urtiz Constantine Catholics, unite against the police.

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Thank you very much for your response. We will consider your e-mail for our project.I wish it will be useful for you and/or other schiophrenia patients. All best wishes SbS

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1- What is the main problem of therapies?

i would say the main problem in the U.S. is group therapy.  i’m far too reclusive to tell people my problems in a group setting.

2- How many month you wasted before that medicine useful for you.

i’m not sure i understand the question.  i can feel the effect of antipsychotics within hours.  it takes a couple of weeks for the antidepressant to shine.

3- If you don’t use medicine, why?

i have a habit of going on and off meds.  i often lose jobs when i go off of them.  i don’t like the sedation side effect.

4- If you don’t trust your pschyatrist, why?

i currently see a state doctor.  i don’t have the repoire with her that i had with my previous psychiatrist. m.

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After almost 30 years of this, my chief complaint is that the professionals who handle Sz patients have no practical plan for the life of a person with Sz.  Urging an Sz patient to go get a job, is based on the idea that the Sz patient is a normal person who behaves improperly.  The reality is that the Sz patient is different than normal people and needs a special reachable objective for optimal quality of life.  Such a goal might include finding an optimal income from government and public support programs, and finding practical inexpensive independent housing.  Maybe reading, or watching TV, is a better choice than trying to simulate being a normal person. Sz patients stress other people, and are vulnerable to stress from others. They need to avoid each other.  The professionals look for ways of grouping Sz patients together.  This may reduce costs, but is contrary to the needs of the patients. Due to economic reasons, some patients only have access to the older neuroleptics.  I know from experience that life with positive symptoms is less painful than the side effects of those old anticholinergics.  For myself low doses of the newer atypical neuroleptics is a practical tool, with a net gain in quality of life.  However, individuals vary widely, and a the choice to go without meds and endure Sz induced life disasters may be a correct choice of a lesser evil.  Just because the lack of medication may make the person a problem for others, does not justify forcing them to take meds, which may be remarkably unpleasant, and even harmful. I’m not in the EU.  I’m in the US, but perhaps my input can be useful…. "fly" <group…@gmail.com

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Dear members of schizophrenia group; We are currently preparing a project to solve big schizophrenia problem. Our project will be funded by EU and our partners are from all over the Europe. We aimed to better understanding genetics of schizophrenia, better pharmaco therapy and identified to environmental factors of schizophrenia. I am the member of this group over two month and i decided to ask to you something. Please answer one/or more of this questions; if you are schizophrenia patient; Please 1- What is the main problem of therapies? 2- How many month you wasted before that medicine useful for you. 3- If you don’t use medicine, why? 4- If you don’t trust your pschyatrist, why? 5- According to you what aim should be for schizophrenia project? We nearly finish the project but may be your e-mail make our project better and may be it will be mak better your therapy. If you would like to send an e-mail to private please send your e-mail to groupfly@gmail If you are not schizophrenia patients and you think you have good ideas for a huge schophrenia project, please don’t hasitate to send an e-mail to us. Thanks in advance All best wishes SbS

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Dear members of schizophrenia group; We are currently preparing a project to solve big schizophrenia problem. Our project will be funded by EU and our partners are from all over the Europe. We aimed to better understanding genetics of schizophrenia, better pharmaco therapy and identified to environmental factors of schizophrenia. I am the member of this group over two month and i decided to ask to you something. Please answer one/or more of this questions; if you are schizophrenia patient; Please 1- What is the main problem of therapies? 2- How many month you wasted before that medicine useful for you. 3- If you don’t use medicine, why? 4- If you don’t trust your pschyatrist, why? 5- According to you what aim should be for schizophrenia project? We nearly finish the project but may be your e-mail make our project better and may be it will be mak better your therapy. If you would like to send an e-mail to private please send your e-mail to groupfly@gmail If you are not schizophrenia patients and you think you have good ideas for a huge schophrenia project, please don’t hasitate to send an e-mail to us. Thanks in advance All best wishes SbS

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Dear members of schizophrenia group; We are currently preparing a project to solve big schizophrenia problem. Our project will be funded by EU and our partners are from all over the Europe. We aimed to better understanding genetics of schizophrenia, better pharmaco therapy and identified to environmental factors of schizophrenia. I am the member of this group over two month and i decided to ask to you something. Please answer one/or more of this questions; if you are schizophrenia patient; Please 1- What is the main problem of therapies?

I’ve found antipsychotic medication pretty helpful. It was nice talking to my case manager. It probably helped to sort out problems in my mind. She tried to give me some cognitive behaviour therapy once. It didn’t really have much impact on the problems we were trying to address.

2- How many month you wasted before that medicine useful for you.

The full-blown stage of my first episode went for about three months before it was diagnosed. Medication cleared up the delusions in three weeks. With my second episode they restarted medication immediately and the delusions went away in two weeks.

3- If you don’t use medicine, why?

N/A

4- If you don’t trust your pschyatrist, why?

I didn’t trust my psychiatrist during my episode because I thought that everyone was spying on me through hidden video cameras and sending elaborately coded communications to me through various media and trying to punish me for all the bad things I’d done. Fortunately I believed the medication could help and took it regularly so after a while things were okay.

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We nearly finish the project but may be your e-mail make our project better and may be it will be mak better your therapy. If you would like to send an e-mail to private please send your e-mail to groupfly@gmail If you are not schizophrenia patients and you think you have good ideas for a huge schophrenia project, please don’t hasitate to send an e-mail to us. Thanks in advance All best wishes SbS

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Greetings Ian  :) Its a complicated one. Sure yoga cannot be sold, however those who teach do need to eat etc.

  Indeed.  In my haste to express myself I overlooked that possibility and looked mainly how people overcharge for spiritual things.  My apologies if I offended you.  I was also thinking from the perspective of people who offer healing, particulary Reiki.  There are three levels to this particular style of Reiki that I practise and one place here in Australia charges $434.50, $495, and $2200 respectively! And that’s for a total of six days of teaching with course texts.  When I was taught my three levels it cost $80 for *all three levels* over three days plus course texts.  A few years ago, Barbara McGregor charged $10000 for the third level *alone*!!! This is the differentiation that saddens me … Its not a new thing, there have always been teachers with motives less than perfect.

  Very true. Having set up and run a yoga school  ( http://mandala.ashtanga.org ) I was less than impressed by the number of people who came for teaching certificates compared with the numbers who came to learn yoga.

  Nice and simplistic site!  :)  I love that it’s W3C approved as I use Firefox and the site displays perfectly.   I also am /very/ impressed by the other things offered, these being: Cultural Programs Ayurveda Healing Organic Farm So it goes. Ian

Smile for no reason Shane-o  =]

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Its a complicated one. Sure yoga cannot be sold, however those who teach do need to eat etc. Its not a new thing, there have always been teachers with motives less than perfect. Having set up and run a yoga school  ( http://mandala.ashtanga.org ) I was less than impressed by the number of people who came for teaching certificates compared with the numbers who came to learn yoga. So it goes. Ian — homepage http://narian.org.uk —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—-

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Greetings Bothi

< Gently Snipped If money is involved that means there is a false action there. Because in YOGA there is APARIGRAHA that means no money shall be involved…And if they state YOGA and meditation then be careful,as meditation is within the yoga so that means your teacher doesn ot know what yoga is!!! :rolleyes:

This is what happens when things become Westernised …  :(  Sad but true. Everyone’s in it for the money these days.  If only people did stuff from the heart instead of from the wallet, eh? It’s like when people charge for healing; isn’t that going against the very reason you’re helping in the first place? ( selflessness )  <Sarcasm Gotta love the Western culture! </Sarcasm These are from PATANJALI SUTRAS… So be aware of false yoga teachers and sharlatans!!!!  ;) Lets be mindful,*

*I second that statement  :) Smile for no reason Shane-o  =]

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Hi everyone, In these days,false yoga schools, false yoga teachers are almost everywhere… YOGA can be read from the sutras of Great Sage PATANJALI… Any freak,any atletics, or jimnastics is not yoga, only doing asanas is not yoga either…These are easily can be seen from PATANJALI. There are 8 steps in yoga, YAMA-NIYAMA-ASANA-PRANAYAMA-PRATYAHARA-DHYANA-DHARANA-SAMADHI All these steps have to be done when an act to be called as YOGA… These days MANTRA SELLERS, YOGA CERTIFICATE ISSUERS, HEALERS, CHEATHERS,trying like yoga instructors!!!!!!!THEY ARE ALL HUMAN EATERS!! Even some of us think that these cheaters are holy people..In fact non of the holy persons sells anything!!!!! Please be aware of these type of false yoga schools and false yoga teachers… If money is involved that means there is a false action there. Because in YOGA there is APARIGRAHA that means no money shall be involved…And if they state YOGA and meditation then be careful,as meditation is within the yoga so that means your teacher doesn ot know what yoga is!!! :rolleyes: These are from PATANJALI SUTRAS… So be aware of false yoga teachers and sharlatans!!!!  ;) Lets be mindful, — Bothi This message originated from http://www.yoga-meditation.org

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Does anyone know anything about an organization called YogaFit?  They certify yoga instructors.  Has anyone become certified through them.  Thanks in advance for your responses. MRM —

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Namaskar http://pi.org.au/meditation/meditation-practice_Index.htm This is preliminary preview for the 100 lessons/posting course below. Greetings This online meditation course will commence on 1 January 2005.  What a great way to start the New Year and to make a New Years’ resolution. Learn the Science of Meditation. Online. Please tell all your friends. Sing the Song of the Soul! These online classes are a unique combination of practice, philosophy and music. Yes, you do get beautiful MP3 files with this course, plus wonderful slide shows and numerous other enlightening material – from articles to graphics. This is a comprehensively structured course that goes for a year. Next intake is now open and course commences 1 January 2005. Last semester (September 2004) attracted over 150 students. All materials are free and for the keeping, which you can use in your own classes as well. This is a free community service, provided in the spirit of service. It is best to have a good email account which accepts large files of approximately 1-2 Mb. The larger files can be downloaded though. Subscribe by sending a message to: The course covers Meditation and Yoga – Practices and Philosophy Vision and Purpose: 1.    Learning the deeper aspects of the science of meditation & yoga as they relate to our daily lives, including philosophy and practical application. 2.    Learning valuable skills for discovery and cultivation of the wholistic relationship between body, mind and spirit essential for meditation & yoga. 3.    Understanding the experiences, challenges and triumphs in deep meditation & yoga practice. 4.    To develop a healthy body, mind and spirit and become more aware through your practice of meditation, yoga asanas (postures) and healthy lifestyle practices and outlook. 5.    To appreciate the importance of a nurturing environment to assist in spiritual awareness, mental expansion and service to the world. E-mail (course co-ordinator):     or Yoga philosophy.  Based on the 8-limbed system of Yoga * Yama – external moral / ethical discipline * Niyama  - internal moral / ethical strength * Asana    - yogic postures * Pranayama     – proper breathing * Pratyahara      - withdrawal of senses from the external world to internalise your consciousness for meditation * Dharana         – concentration, or extended mental focusing, fundamental to yogic meditation * Dhyana          - process of meditation, the principal practice of bringing your mind to ideate on Oneness * Samadhi         – experience of unitive consciousness so as to feel inwardly one with the feeling of Infinite Peace Also teachings and practice of basic support tools and skills for growth on all levels:  physical, mental and spiritual. Help address  http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Meditation2005-1/about Namaskar Dharmadeva (Course Coordinator)

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Does anyone know anything about an organization called YogaFit?  They certify yoga instructors.  Has anyone become certified through them.   Thanks in advance for your responses. MRM

YogaFit is a hybrid form of yoga as taught in Health clubs as an alternative to aerobics or jazzercise.  If your really serious about teacher training you should pursue other venues. — ~Stu

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Does anyone know the classes they are currently offering on RCL and the costs??? I’m going on the Sovereign 6/11/04 for a 3 nighter. Robert

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Does anyone know the classes they are currently offering on RCL and the costs??? I’m going on the Sovereign 6/11/04 for a 3 nighter.

Robert, don’t know if it’s the same on 3-night cruises, but typically, yoga, pilates and spin are offered at a cost of $10 per.  There are also usually step, sculpt and aerobics, and sometimes kickboxing and stretch classes at no additional charge. ~ Peri

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What does it mean when it says ShipShape Dollars are given out for certain activities? Robert

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What does it mean when it says ShipShape Dollars are given out for certain activities? Robert

If you participate in certain organized fitness activities (eg. morning walks around deck, aerobics classes, etc),  you get credits that allow you to obtain things like cruise line t-shirts. Howie

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Robert, don’t know if it’s the same on 3-night cruises, but typically, yoga, pilates and spin are offered at a cost of $10 per.  There are also usually step, sculpt and aerobics, and sometimes kickboxing and stretch classes at no additional charge.

I can’t help be surprised that there is an extra charge for this sort of thing, especially for yoga, which typically requires less equipment than sculpt or step. Does anyone have a full class price list?  or know how much a trainer costs? — bicker

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Hello good people of alt.yoga! I am doing some research for a friend of mine who is currently without internet access while overseas. She has been practising Iyengar yoga

I never come across this word (Iyengar yoga) though I am not a serious practitioner of yoga. I heard of Asthanga yoga, hata yoga etc which is more known. for over 4 years now and while she is travelling she has indicated a desire to visit an Ashram in the mountains outside of Delhi for a couple of weeks for some Asana practice and meditation. I have asked some of the more experienced yoga instructors who take my classes, but sadly none of them have ever been to India themselves and consequently don’t really have any suggestions.

Out side Delhi, then search for the word Isha yoga in the google. I am sure they have some web sites. The ashram is in south India (Tamil Nadu, Coimbatore). But there are Lots in India other than that. If anyone knows of a couple of good places I could look into, or web resources that might be able to help me in my search I would be most appreciative. Namaste hazchem

NOTE: If you want to visit any Ashram in India then you must be very careful from those money-making fellows. Because people are become more money minded in my country. Good luck.

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The obvious place to go is Rishikesh. This is where the river Ganges flows out of the Himalayas and is a very beautiful spot. It is an overnight train trip north from Delhi.Ignore all the negative posts you have recieved. There are a few different Hatha yoga teachers and many ashrams in this area. Usually someone from Iyengar’s ashram in Pune (Pune is south of Bombay) will be teaching. I was there a few years ago and there was a functioning Iyenga school. At that time I understood that the only other main place to go was Pune itself. There are loads of Internet Cafes in India so not quite sure why your friend cannot do a search there. Rishikesh is a small place so just turn up. Tashi Delek Kalki Links Iyengar web site http://www.bksiyengar.com/modules/Iyoga/iyoga.htm Teachers in India addresses http://www.bksiyengar.com/modules/Teacher/teacher.asp?Country=India&S… Teacher in Rishikesh address and contact Name Usha Devi Institute Patanjala Yoga Kendra Address Omkaranda Ganga Sadan, Muni-ki-Reti, P.O. Shivanandnagar Dist. Tehri Garwal, , Rishikesh , Uttaranchal – 249 192 Phone 91-135-2430763 / 2431473

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I have never heard of an Ashram in the Iyengar tradition.  Most ashrams are led by Holy men representing some form of Vedic or Tantric tradition. However you can write, call or email the RIMYI institute.  They offer classes and take foriegn students. http://www.bksiyengar.com/modules/Institut/RIMYI/rimyi.htm  Here it is possible to take classes with Mr. Iyengar or his two children.  I suppose if the administrators there could point you in the direction of an ashram that would be compatable with Mr. Iyengar’s teachings. I have known many people who have gone there and found the experience to be inspiring and fruitful. — ~Stu

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Hello good people of alt.yoga! I am doing some research for a friend of mine who is currently without internet access while overseas. She has been practising Iyengar yoga for over 4 years now and while she is travelling she has indicated a desire to visit an Ashram in the mountains outside of Delhi for a couple of weeks for some Asana practice and meditation. I have asked some of the more experienced yoga instructors who take my classes, but sadly none of them have ever been to India themselves and consequently don’t really have any suggestions. If anyone knows of a couple of good places I could look into, or web resources that might be able to help me in my search I would be most appreciative. Namaste hazchem

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Go to: http://www.SIVANANDADLSHQ.ORG WWW.DLSMD.ORG

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www.sivananda.org

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The object is to increase bliss. The more bliss you feel, the more energy you move and vice versa.

I’m reminded of an old saying of me guru, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi: Bliss is not blissful. When you arrive at great skill at doing this you will discover a fairly incredible thing.

Great skill? Any "skill" at all is "great skill" in this case. It is not you at all that is doing this. It is more of you getting out of the way at the appropriate times.

There’s no appropriate or inappropriate time for getting out of the way.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I live in an area void of certified Yoga instructors. Any suggestions? You do not need a yoga instructor unless you would also like to share your yoga experiences with new friends that like to talk about their yoga experiences. For a guru – you don’t really need one unless Snip Mike Dubbeld Mike, Great post, well stated and a real "keeper". Isn’t it great to have the ability to be helpful?

Oh yes, also it is pretty simple if you keep your stuff updated. Mine got so far dispersed I had to re-group. Now if anyone wants some links I like it is very simple to copy them in. But I always test my links first. Just sent a long winded one on yoga misc. Hittleman is one of my all time favorites. I have his YOGA: The 8 Steps to Health and Peace

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Hey ElvenCat, i feel like your situation mirrors mine in alot of similar ways. i just turned 30 about 3months ago… i’m a regular lurker… i have MS symptoms bad, but not THAT bad, so i won’t complain… i’m single and feel that "love" is not for me… i don’t like people telling me "oh your young still, you’ll find someone when you least expect it" what does that mean? when i’m gray and toothless? this currently is my biggest MS problem, being single and unemployed. Those of you who have an understanding partner, embrace them. i feel like i wake up some days, and my duties are done. have nothing to accomplish. jamie

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I am not sure where you live, but Yoga has been great for me. If you find an enlightened instructor (the others think they can cure everything if you try), you may find it helpful. — Quaecomque sunt vera —- "ElvenCat" <moonst…@DIESPAMDIEstraycat.net

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Hello from a most often lurker, who occasionally feels the urge to jump in for a few days.  Great way to get to know about people; terrible way to actually know anyone.  Feel so familiar in this group, yet when I do post I feel so random.  But here I am, and in a very random mood.  Just been wanting someone to talk to, or someone to listen, or something. Well, it’s after midnight here, so I guess I’m officially 30.  No big deal really, just another day on top of a long string of other days. Still, I remember when 16 seemed so far away and out of reach. Actually, I didn’t think I would reach it.  Pretty moody teenager. Heh, pretty moody now, but at least I have an excuse.  Ah well, I’ve hated birthdays since I was a teenager.  They just don’t live up to the hype.  Always know what not to expect, people are busy with the holidays, but I get depressed anyway.  My mom doesn’t even call.  Then again, I haven’t spoken to her since I told her ’bout my diagnosis of MS.  That was in March of… 2001?  But she used to call, anyway. What really gets me down now is here I am, alone, ‘cept for my furry four-footed critters, don’t know what I’d do without them.  Would be living at my grandparents, can’t afford to live on my own ’cause the docs like to get paid, but my grandparents rent me a duplex cheap. *Really* don’t know what I’d do without them.  That worries me a lot too.  Anyway, socially awkward to begin with, horrible with small talk, terrible even at keeping in contact with the friends I do have. Want to meet someone and settle down, don’t feel like that is ever going to happen.  Ya, ya, I’ve got lots and lots and lots of years and time left yet.  Yet I want to be a mother, feel the time ticking down on that.  Not so sure if that would be such a good idea for me anyway, now, not so sure I could handle it.  The two dogs I can put in the yard when I’m not feeling well, the two cats I can shut out of the room (well, usually… one has figured out how to pop open the door occasionally).  Certainly can not do that with a child.  Besides, I know I don’t want to raise a child alone, and I’m afraid anyone I met would grow weary of they ups and downs of my body and emotions anyway. I know I am!  But that’s ahead of myself… I’m afraid there isn’t anyone who’d want to put up with it to begin with. Ok, I feel like I’m being very selfish now, because I know I’ve got it good.  Good living situation, no major physical problems.  I’m thankful for that, but it’s still not any easier.  I know I’m not the only one with these problems.  But I just feel so drained and so wiped out and so alone.  Was looking at that Heuga workshop, and it includes a program for the support partners.  Found myself wondering just who that would be.  My grandma is really my only support, but I can’t even get *her* to go to the doctor, and she’s been having a lot of probs lately  Who then?  My German Shepherd?  She’s not trained, but she’s awfully useful for getting up when I hit the ground.  Even she is going grey <sigh.  The dog I had since the 8th grade (well, she continued living at my grandparents after I moved out) just had to be put to sleep a couple months ago.  Poor ol’ girl, I really miss her. Think I’ll go try and get some sleep now.  Experiencing a new sensation tonight.  I’m used to being numb in some parts all the time, and all parts some of the time (and it really bothers me that it’s something I’ve grown used to), but tonight it’s numb and tingly.  Plus the sensation of lots of little ticks just under the skin.  Nothing actually moving, as far as I can tell.  Feel like I’m crawling out of my skin.  Yeeze, the things we put up with. Thanks fer letting me gripe fer a bit — ElvenCat

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To add to what Keven said (below), also remember that when you’re under stress (which it sounds like you are tonight . . ), numbness/tingly can get worse and spread.  At least it does for me. Still scares me a little (even after 30 years). And venting helps – so vent away! L8r, Shirley B. #6, ASMS Lists http://come.to/ASMS-Lists http://jumi-shirley-butler.com "Making a way out of no way is sometimes the only way." Dr. Johnnetta Cole On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:14:35 -0600, BigTall <bigtallb…@netscape.net

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ElvenCat wrote: Hello from a most often lurker, who occasionally feels the urge to jump in for a few days.  Great way to get to know about people;

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Kevin wrote:   Gripe away!  That’s one of the things this place is good for. It’s also a good place to let you know that no matter how you might feel at any given time….you aren’t the only one.  There are lots of people that have been where you are, some that are where you are and (unfortunately) some that will be where you are. When I was 16 I felt much the same way that you did and damned if I didn’t make it to 49!  Most days I can’t believe that I have made it this long. Just remember, it will get better and you have to just stay in there and keep swinging.  You can’t let the MFing MS get you down.  FIGHT!  It’s the best thing you can do. Go hug on your furkids and let them help you in whatever way they do. Kevin

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Hey, ElvenCat; I hope yesterday went OK for you.  I haven’t liked birthdays since I was about 10. You and I have somethng else in common besides this lousy disease; I didn’t think I was going to make it to 16, either.  I had no idea of why; just a feeling I got from somewhere. I know it’s a cliche and I know you don’t want to hear it, but relationships happen when you’re not expecting anything.  Just live your life, and see who comes your way. Just some advice from an old bat!  But, look beyond the conventions when you’re getting into hte romance thing.  I call it the "Who sez?" rule. Like, who sez he has to be: older, taller, more educated, weathier, more experieniced than you? I went beyond those boundaries. . .and had a 14 year relationship with a guy 9 years younger than I.  When it started up, I thought it was going ro be just a short term fling. And you’re smart to want to have kids with a man who is going to be there for you and them. You’re only 30.  There;s still plenty of time.  Nice to see you didn’t do the "OMG! I’m 30!" freakout so many people do.  It’s just a number. Concentrate on the things that are important to you. You’re lucky to have furry friends; they’re the greatest!  Hug them for me today. Sylvia

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Elvencat makes the not so unusual statement…"Plus the sensation of lots of little ticks just under the skin." — — Hey, don’t feel like the Lone Ranger, I get under a lot of people’s skin.  :-) Tis the season for depression for much of the populace.  Don’t be such a stranger, jump in a little more often, that’s what this place is all about.  We are all, in our own fashion, a great bunch of unlicensed therapists. Sounds to me like you have your life pretty much under control, you just need some reassurance…and chocolate. Here it is, REASSURANCE & CHOCOLATE!!!!!  Happy Birthday and Merry, Merry.  Happy, Happy and Season’s Greetings!!!! Tick <workin’ hard at gettin’ under folks skin

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LOL Well, that explains a lot  Hey, chocolate… shoulda thought of that sooner.  Almost feel bouncy now.  Thanks! So far as the season goes… well, I’ve been on a medical leave through it, and will be ’til 3rd o’ January, I think.  Didn’t plan it that way, but, given that I work in retail… (not the path I chose, I’ll get through school someday)… it’s the first Holiday season I haven’t absolutely hated.  Most days I haven’t even cared how I feel, ’cause I’m not getting trampled by rude, overstressed, obnoxious people who think common courtesy and human doesn’t apply to them, just because they are in a hurry.   For once I can pretend people are nice in general, and it’s been great!  (I reaaaaly need to get out of retail, if I wanna keep liking the human race, I think) — ElvenCat "GT Tick" <OLT…@webtv.net

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news:12299-41CAEC66-83@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net… : Elvencat makes the not so unusual statement…"Plus the sensation of : lots of little ticks just under the skin." : — : — : Hey, don’t feel like the Lone Ranger, I get under a lot of people’s : skin.  :-) : : Tis the season for depression for much of the populace.  Don’t be such a : stranger, jump in a little more often, that’s what this place is all : about.  We are all, in our own fashion, a great bunch of unlicensed : therapists. : : Sounds to me like you have your life pretty much under control, you just : need some reassurance…and chocolate. : : Here it is, REASSURANCE & CHOCOLATE!!!!!  Happy Birthday and Merry, : Merry.  Happy, Happy and Season’s Greetings!!!! : : Tick <workin’ hard at gettin’ under folks skin

: : *****Don’t Cry Because It’s Over…Smile Because It Happened.***** : : Visit Me At Tick’s Place… : http://community-2.webtv.net/OLTICK/TICKSPLACE/ :

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news:QtCdnQL86o81oFXcRVn-rg@texas.net… : : Gripe away!  That’s one of the things this place : is good for. : : It’s also a good place to let you know that no : matter how you might feel at any given time….you : aren’t the only one.  There are lots of people : that have been where you are, some that are where : you are and (unfortunately) some that will be : where you are. : : When I was 16 I felt much the same way that you : did and damned if I didn’t make it to 49!  Most : days I can’t believe that I have made it this long. : : Just remember, it will get better and you have to : just stay in there and keep swinging.  You can’t : let the MFing MS get you down.  FIGHT!  It’s the : best thing you can do. : : Go hug on your furkids and let them help you in : whatever way they do. : : Kevin I swing away, most days.  One thing I wanna know is… how come this thing doesn’t come with a pause button?  Would be nice to have a break sometimes.  Get up, stretch, get a drink.  Just a little rest break would make it easier to come back ready to face things stronger — ElvenCat

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You know, I have to laugh when I read something that says that stress may worsen symptoms, but  includes the disclaimer that no studies have been done, so nothing is proven.  I don’t need studies, I know it does!  On a good day, when I’m feeling ok for the most part, all I have to do is walk into work and I go numb up to my knees.  Whether it stays there or spreads further just depends on how threatening the store manager feels he needs to be in the morning meeting, what is expected when, and how screwed up my department got overnight or over the weekend. — ElvenCat "Shirley Butler" <twobutl…@charter.net

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news:idsgs0td6r94rvnei0fdms0q6hrp98o4tn@4ax.com… : To add to what Keven said (below), also remember that when you’re : under stress (which it sounds like you are tonight . . ), : numbness/tingly can get worse and spread.  At least it does for me. : Still scares me a little (even after 30 years). : : And venting helps – so vent away! : : L8r, Shirley B. : #6, ASMS Lists : : http://come.to/ASMS-Lists : : http://jumi-shirley-butler.com : : "Making a way out of no way is sometimes the only way." Dr. Johnnetta : Cole : : : : On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:14:35 -0600, BigTall <bigtallb…@netscape.net

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ElvenCat wrote:

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Hello from a most often lurker, who occasionally feels the urge

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jump in for a few days.  Great way to get to know about people;

: : SNIP   SNIP : : :

Kevin wrote:

: :

Gripe away!  That’s one of the things this place

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is good for.

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It’s also a good place to let you know that no

:

matter how you might feel at any given time….you

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aren’t the only one.  There are lots of people

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that have been where you are, some that are where

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you are and (unfortunately) some that will be

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where you are.

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When I was 16 I felt much the same way that you

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did and damned if I didn’t make it to 49!  Most

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days I can’t believe that I have made it this long.

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Just remember, it will get better and you have to

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just stay in there and keep swinging.  You can’t

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let the MFing MS get you down.  FIGHT!  It’s the

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best thing you can do.

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Go hug on your furkids and let them help you in

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whatever way they do.

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news:1103741321.417905.230320@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com… : Hey, ElvenCat; : I hope yesterday went OK for you.  I haven’t liked birthdays since I : was about 10. It went well, for once actually, thanks  Probably because I’ve finally learned not to expect much of anything.  Got to go out to eat with my grandma, and a few family members actually called me!  It’s silly, I know, but it’s just nice to know someone out there is thinking ’bout me. : You and I have somethng else in common besides this lousy disease; I : didn’t think I was going to make it to 16, either.  I had no idea of : why; just a feeling I got from somewhere. I think there must be a lot of teenagers who feel that way. : I know it’s a cliche and I know you don’t want to hear it, but : relationships happen when you’re not expecting anything.  Just live : your life, and see who comes your way. I know that’s what they say, but it gets kinda hard to believe when you go a few years not expecting anything.  Was just recently that I woke up thinking that wow, I’ve been alone a long time.  Maybe I’d do better if I was expecting something, just a little : Just some advice from an old bat!  But, look beyond the conventions : when you’re getting into hte romance thing.  I call it the "Who sez?" : rule. : : Like, who sez he has to be: older, taller, more educated, weathier, : more experieniced than you? : : I went beyond those boundaries. . .and had a 14 year relationship with : a guy 9 years younger than I.  When it started up, I thought it was : going ro be just a short term fling. Hey, I’ve got a friend who married a guy… 16?… 17?… years younger than her.  They’ve been together for years.  Only one thing I’m goin w/the "who sez"… I sez he’s gotta be smart.  Was with a guy for a while who… er… wasn’t the brightest crayon in the box, and it got the point I wanted to scream whenever he opened his mouth. Could not have a decent conversation with him.  Not that I’m any great conversationalist myself, but he was just so dense. : And you’re smart to want to have kids with a man who is going to be : there for you and them. : : You’re only 30.  There;s still plenty of time.  Nice to see you didn’t : do the "OMG! I’m 30!" freakout so many people do.  It’s just a number. : Concentrate on the things that are important to you. Hey, I’m not a decade older, or even a year older.  I am a day older than I was yesterday.  If I ever age more than that overnight, then I’ll freakout : You’re lucky to have furry friends; they’re the greatest!  Hug them for : me today. Hugs given. : Sylvia Thanks for all you had to say, it really did make me smile

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news:-eqdnfJgOePdzVXcRVn-og@rogers.com… : Hey ElvenCat, : : i feel like your situation mirrors mine in alot of similar ways. : : i just turned 30 about 3months ago… i’m a regular lurker… i have MS : symptoms bad, but not THAT bad, so i won’t complain… i’m single and feel : that "love" is not for me… Well, I wouldn’t say that love is not so much not for me… as some guy out there just need to figure out that it is for me.  Dunno where to meet him, either.  Not a bar, don’t want a barfly.  Not religious, there goes church activites.  And I don’t believe that meeting in the produce department at the grocery store ever happens.  Go to a lot of Lord of the Rings related activities.  Unfortunately a disporportionate amount of that niche of fandom is girls sqealing over Legolas.  Ah for a man in a cloak <g

: i don’t like people telling me "oh your young still, you’ll find someone : when you least expect it" what does that mean? when i’m gray and toothless? lol! : this currently is my biggest MS problem, being single and unemployed. Those : of you who have an understanding partner, embrace them. i feel like i wake : up some days, and my duties are done. have nothing to accomplish. Tired of being single, lucky enough to be employed.  Actually, I often feel trapped there, don’t know how I’d get into anything else now, and I don’t want to lose my medical insurance, which lets me go to just about any doc I want, when I want, so <shrug

.  I probably should step

down from my department manager position, but I’ve been doing it for so long, I don’t think I could stand having no say-so in what I was doing, even if it did mean less stress. ‘Course all I am now is a peon with accountablity : jamie Hey, thanks for delurking fer a bit Lurkers unite!  Hello?  Oh, over there, in the corner, behind the one-way glass…  quiet, shhhh…

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I haven’t really looked into Yoga instructors in this area (Utah… somewhere between SLC and Provo), but I’ve seen DVDs and had thought about checking one out.  I know it’s not the same thing, but I can keep really weird hours sometimes, even when I’m working on the same schedule. — ElvenCat "abdi" <a…@yahoo.com

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news:bkZxd.64384$Uf.36249@twister.nyroc.rr.com… :I am not sure where you live, but Yoga has been great for me. If you find an : enlightened instructor (the others think they can cure everything if you : try), you may find it helpful. : : — : Quaecomque sunt vera —- : "ElvenCat" <moonst…@DIESPAMDIEstraycat.net

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: news:32q3gvF3p2b4bU1@individual.net… :

Hello from a most often lurker, who occasionally feels the urge to

:

jump in for a few days.  Great way to get to know about people;

:

terrible way to actually know anyone.  Feel so familiar in this

group, :

yet when I do post I feel so random.  But here I am, and in a very

:

random mood.  Just been wanting someone to talk to, or someone to

:

listen, or something.

:

:

Well, it’s after midnight here, so I guess I’m officially 30.  No

big :

deal really, just another day on top of a long string of other

days. :

Still, I remember when 16 seemed so far away and out of reach.

:

Actually, I didn’t think I would reach it.  Pretty moody teenager.

:

Heh, pretty moody now, but at least I have an excuse.  Ah well,

I’ve :

hated birthdays since I was a teenager.  They just don’t live up

to :

the hype.  Always know what not to expect, people are busy with

the :

holidays, but I get depressed anyway.  My mom doesn’t even call.

Then :

again, I haven’t spoken to her since I told her ’bout my diagnosis

of :

MS.  That was in March of… 2001?  But she used to call, anyway.

:

:

What really gets me down now is here I am, alone, ‘cept for my

furry :

four-footed critters, don’t know what I’d do without them.  Would

be :

living at my grandparents, can’t afford to live on my own ’cause

the :

docs like to get paid, but my grandparents rent me a duplex cheap.

:

*Really* don’t know what I’d do without them.  That worries me a

lot :

too.  Anyway, socially awkward to begin with, horrible with small

:

talk, terrible even at keeping in contact with the friends I do

have. :

Want to meet someone and settle down, don’t feel like that is ever

:

going to happen.  Ya, ya, I’ve got lots and lots and lots of years

and :

time left yet.  Yet I want to be a mother, feel the time ticking

down :

on that.  Not so sure if that would be such a good idea for me

anyway, :

now, not so sure I could handle it.  The two dogs I can put in the

:

yard when I’m not feeling well, the two cats I can shut out of the

:

room (well, usually… one has figured out how to pop open the

door :

occasionally).  Certainly can not do that with a child.  Besides,

I :

know I don’t want to raise a child alone, and I’m afraid anyone I

met :

would grow weary of they ups and downs of my body and emotions

anyway. :

I know I am!  But that’s ahead of myself… I’m afraid there isn’t

:

anyone who’d want to put up with it to begin with.

:

:

Ok, I feel like I’m being very selfish now, because I know I’ve

got it :

good.  Good living situation, no major physical problems.  I’m

:

thankful for that, but it’s still not any easier.  I know I’m not

the :

only one with these problems.  But I just feel so drained and so

wiped :

out and so alone.  Was looking at that Heuga workshop, and it

includes :

a program for the support partners.  Found myself wondering just

who :

that would be.  My grandma is really my only support, but I can’t

even :

get *her* to go to the doctor, and she’s been having a lot of

probs :

lately  Who then?  My German Shepherd?  She’s not trained, but

:

she’s awfully useful for getting up when I hit the ground.  Even

she :

is going grey <sigh.  The dog I had since the 8th grade (well,

she :

continued living at my grandparents after I moved out) just had to

be :

put to sleep a couple months ago.  Poor ol’ girl, I really miss

her. :

:

Think I’ll go try and get some sleep now.  Experiencing a new

:

sensation tonight.  I’m used to being numb in some parts all the

time, :

and all parts some of the time (and it really bothers me that it’s

:

something I’ve grown used to), but tonight it’s numb and tingly.

Plus :

the sensation of lots of little ticks just under the skin.

Nothing :

actually moving, as far as I can tell.  Feel like I’m crawling out

of :

my skin.  Yeeze, the things we put up with.

:

:

Thanks fer letting me gripe fer a bit

:

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ElvenCat

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Hello from a most often lurker, who occasionally feels the urge to jump in for a few days.  Great way to get to know about people; terrible way to actually know anyone.  Feel so familiar in this group, yet when I do post I feel so random.  But here I am, and in a very random mood.  Just been wanting someone to talk to, or someone to listen, or something. Well, it’s after midnight here, so I guess I’m officially 30.  No big deal really, just another day on top of a long string of other days. Still, I remember when 16 seemed so far away and out of reach. Actually, I didn’t think I would reach it.  Pretty moody teenager. Heh, pretty moody now, but at least I have an excuse.  Ah well, I’ve hated birthdays since I was a teenager.  They just don’t live up to the hype.  Always know what not to expect, people are busy with the holidays, but I get depressed anyway.  My mom doesn’t even call.  Then again, I haven’t spoken to her since I told her ’bout my diagnosis of MS.  That was in March of… 2001?  But she used to call, anyway. What really gets me down now is here I am, alone, ‘cept for my furry four-footed critters, don’t know what I’d do without them.  Would be living at my grandparents, can’t afford to live on my own ’cause the docs like to get paid, but my grandparents rent me a duplex cheap. *Really* don’t know what I’d do without them.  That worries me a lot too.  Anyway, socially awkward to begin with, horrible with small talk, terrible even at keeping in contact with the friends I do have. Want to meet someone and settle down, don’t feel like that is ever going to happen.  Ya, ya, I’ve got lots and lots and lots of years and time left yet.  Yet I want to be a mother, feel the time ticking down on that.  Not so sure if that would be such a good idea for me anyway, now, not so sure I could handle it.  The two dogs I can put in the yard when I’m not feeling well, the two cats I can shut out of the room (well, usually… one has figured out how to pop open the door occasionally).  Certainly can not do that with a child.  Besides, I know I don’t want to raise a child alone, and I’m afraid anyone I met would grow weary of they ups and downs of my body and emotions anyway. I know I am!  But that’s ahead of myself… I’m afraid there isn’t anyone who’d want to put up with it to begin with. Ok, I feel like I’m being very selfish now, because I know I’ve got it good.  Good living situation, no major physical problems.  I’m thankful for that, but it’s still not any easier.  I know I’m not the only one with these problems.  But I just feel so drained and so wiped out and so alone.  Was looking at that Heuga workshop, and it includes a program for the support partners.  Found myself wondering just who that would be.  My grandma is really my only support, but I can’t even get *her* to go to the doctor, and she’s been having a lot of probs lately  Who then?  My German Shepherd?  She’s not trained, but she’s awfully useful for getting up when I hit the ground.  Even she is going grey <sigh.  The dog I had since the 8th grade (well, she continued living at my grandparents after I moved out) just had to be put to sleep a couple months ago.  Poor ol’ girl, I really miss her. Think I’ll go try and get some sleep now.  Experiencing a new sensation tonight.  I’m used to being numb in some parts all the time, and all parts some of the time (and it really bothers me that it’s something I’ve grown used to), but tonight it’s numb and tingly.  Plus the sensation of lots of little ticks just under the skin.  Nothing actually moving, as far as I can tell.  Feel like I’m crawling out of my skin.  Yeeze, the things we put up with. Thanks fer letting me gripe fer a bit

Gripe away!  That’s one of the things this place is good for. It’s also a good place to let you know that no matter how you might feel at any given time….you aren’t the only one.  There are lots of people that have been where you are, some that are where you are and (unfortunately) some that will be where you are. When I was 16 I felt much the same way that you did and damned if I didn’t make it to 49!  Most days I can’t believe that I have made it this long. Just remember, it will get better and you have to just stay in there and keep swinging.  You can’t let the MFing MS get you down.  FIGHT!  It’s the best thing you can do. Go hug on your furkids and let them help you in whatever way they do. Kevin

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Hello from a most often lurker, who occasionally feels the urge to jump in for a few days.  Great way to get to know about people; terrible way to actually know anyone.  Feel so familiar in this group, yet when I do post I feel so random.  But here I am, and in a very random mood.  Just been wanting someone to talk to, or someone to listen, or something. Well, it’s after midnight here, so I guess I’m officially 30.  No big deal really, just another day on top of a long string of other days. Still, I remember when 16 seemed so far away and out of reach. Actually, I didn’t think I would reach it.  Pretty moody teenager. Heh, pretty moody now, but at least I have an excuse.  Ah well, I’ve hated birthdays since I was a teenager.  They just don’t live up to the hype.  Always know what not to expect, people are busy with the holidays, but I get depressed anyway.  My mom doesn’t even call.  Then again, I haven’t spoken to her since I told her ’bout my diagnosis of MS.  That was in March of… 2001?  But she used to call, anyway. What really gets me down now is here I am, alone, ‘cept for my furry four-footed critters, don’t know what I’d do without them.  Would be living at my grandparents, can’t afford to live on my own ’cause the docs like to get paid, but my grandparents rent me a duplex cheap. *Really* don’t know what I’d do without them.  That worries me a lot too.  Anyway, socially awkward to begin with, horrible with small talk, terrible even at keeping in contact with the friends I do have. Want to meet someone and settle down, don’t feel like that is ever going to happen.  Ya, ya, I’ve got lots and lots and lots of years and time left yet.  Yet I want to be a mother, feel the time ticking down on that.  Not so sure if that would be such a good idea for me anyway, now, not so sure I could handle it.  The two dogs I can put in the yard when I’m not feeling well, the two cats I can shut out of the room (well, usually… one has figured out how to pop open the door occasionally).  Certainly can not do that with a child.  Besides, I know I don’t want to raise a child alone, and I’m afraid anyone I met would grow weary of they ups and downs of my body and emotions anyway. I know I am!  But that’s ahead of myself… I’m afraid there isn’t anyone who’d want to put up with it to begin with. Ok, I feel like I’m being very selfish now, because I know I’ve got it good.  Good living situation, no major physical problems.  I’m thankful for that, but it’s still not any easier.  I know I’m not the only one with these problems.  But I just feel so drained and so wiped out and so alone.  Was looking at that Heuga workshop, and it includes a program for the support partners.  Found myself wondering just who that would be.  My grandma is really my only support, but I can’t even get *her* to go to the doctor, and she’s been having a lot of probs lately  Who then?  My German Shepherd?  She’s not trained, but she’s awfully useful for getting up when I hit the ground.  Even she is going grey <sigh

.  The dog I had since the 8th grade (well, she

continued living at my grandparents after I moved out) just had to be put to sleep a couple months ago.  Poor ol’ girl, I really miss her. Think I’ll go try and get some sleep now.  Experiencing a new sensation tonight.  I’m used to being numb in some parts all the time, and all parts some of the time (and it really bothers me that it’s something I’ve grown used to), but tonight it’s numb and tingly.  Plus the sensation of lots of little ticks just under the skin.  Nothing actually moving, as far as I can tell.  Feel like I’m crawling out of my skin.  Yeeze, the things we put up with. Thanks fer letting me gripe fer a bit — ElvenCat

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I just went for my first jog/fast walk tonight and experienced extremely bad lower back cramping. I am reasonably fit and do heavy weights in the gym 2 times a week which involves dead lifts and squats using a belt I might add. Wonder if the deadlifts are causing the back cramp? Anyone who has any ideas or has maybe exprienced this themselves when first running could you please post a message. Cheers in advance. T pennington UK

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Wonder if the deadlifts are causing the back cramp? Anyone who has any ideas or has maybe exprienced this themselves when first running could you please post a message.

Yep! Give up any leg exercises except for running, give it 6 months or a year, and if you still feel the need, start up again. My experience has been that running gives my legs everything they need, and squats and other leg/back exercises really crippled me running. "Make no mistake about it! Without humor, freedom would drive you insane." Bill               I am so cool, that sheep count ME before they go to sleep. http://hometown.aol.com/mrrobottow/

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I just went for my first jog/fast walk tonight and experienced extremely bad lower back cramping. I am reasonably fit and do heavy weights in the gym 2 times a week which involves dead lifts and squats using a belt I might add. Wonder if the deadlifts are causing the back cramp? Anyone who has any ideas or has maybe exprienced this themselves when first running could you please post a message. Cheers in advance. T pennington UK

If the belt keeps your pelvis from tilting forward, then running without a belt might be pulling your pelvis forward especially if the quads are tight. Also the way you sit during the day, if you slouch, the psoas is shortened and that could be the cause of the pain in the lower back. If the psoas is holding on, that could mean that if it doesnt’ relax it would be pulling along the area of its origin which is on either side of T-12 and L-1 to L-5 of your lower back.   In health and on the run, Ozzie Gontang Maintainer – rec.running FAQ Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic, est. 1975 Mindful Running:   http://www.mindfulness.com/mr.asp http://www.faqs.org/faqs/running-faq/

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(no firsthand experience w. lower back cramps and do not do dead lifts or full squats regularly, and no credentials) Running does seem to tighten muscles, esp. in back of legs, hams, glutes, piriformis, psoas, and lower back.  Tight legs also increase tension on the lower back. There are some great stretches, if you can get someone to show you how to do them without injury.  Warm up first, avoid forcing things, precede each stretch with a contraction to help the target muscles relax, work into each stretch gradually without any hint of plyometrics, do leg stretches one at a time to help protect the back, and continue breathing with the stretch to promote relaxation and evenness. Some hatha yoga instructors can help, but do not enter an advanced class by mistake. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just went for my first jog/fast walk tonight and experienced extremely bad lower back cramping. I am reasonably fit and do heavy weights in the gym 2 times a week which involves dead lifts and squats using a belt I might add. Wonder if the deadlifts are causing the back cramp? Anyone who has any ideas or has maybe exprienced this themselves when first running could you please post a message. Cheers in advance. T pennington UK

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Has Anyone tried http://pattstrap.com/achilles.htm the Achilles Healer for Achilles tendons?

i’d like to try it for my ITBS  but it seems way to cheap. at $36 i’d be taking advantage of you and that’s just not right. your fine product deserves a much steeper price. get back to me when you’re charging 30 times what it’s worth rather than just 10 times. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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achilles tendonitis wont go away!! 10 months

There is no hope, suicide is probably the only answer left.

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Has Anyone tried http://pattstrap.com/achilles.htm the Achilles Healer for Achilles tendons?

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Has Anyone tried http://pattstrap.com/achilles.htm the Achilles Healer for Achilles tendons?

No.  Why should I when they employ a newsgroup spammer to promote their product? Tim

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Has Anyone tried http://pattstrap.com/achilles.htm the Achilles Healer for Achilles tendons?

Looks like a simple tape job for me…….taping would be a lot cheaper and easier to customize.

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Has Anyone tried http://garbage.com/achilles.htm the Achilles Healer for Achilles tendons?

I certainly won’t now! Fake "re:" messages to spam a ng and pretenting to be a "customer" turns everyone off you product. cheers, — David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org www.absolutelyaccurate.com

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Dave:  I agree with you and Mike.  The combination of strengthening, stretching, ice, and very slow resumption of running worked for my Achilles tendons too.  Your advice also matches the Achilles tendon advice in Tim Noakes’ Lore of Running book and www.AchillesTendon.com, which I found helpful.  Murph

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That is the strategy that has worked for me as well.  I probably iced more than you – I would put my heel in a bucket of ice water for as long as I could stand, let it warm up, then repeat.  Ozzie’s advice on preventing shortening of the soleus is essential in prevention and treatment too. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The pain isn’t that bad but my real concern is that if I have intermittent pain doing basic walking around the house, then I’ll be doomed trying to exercise. And you may be wrong. I’ve had bouts with AT in the past and have found that not exercising is the correct initial response, but just rest does nothing to get it better. The las time,  I was successful with active recovery.  I acted, more or less, like a new runner. Walk/jog/walk/jog. No speed work, no hills for two or three weeks. And I’d ice it religiously after every "run." Gradually, I increased the duration and intensity. Over a three month period, the pain slowly subsided and went away. It may not work for you, but it’s clear that doing nothing isn’t working either. Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman USA, 4 months & Counting

– Regards, Dave

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The pain isn’t that bad but my real concern is that if I have intermittent pain doing basic walking around the house, then I’ll be doomed trying to exercise.

And you may be wrong. I’ve had bouts with AT in the past and have found that not exercising is the correct initial response, but just rest does nothing to get it better. The las time,  I was successful with active recovery.  I acted, more or less, like a new runner. Walk/jog/walk/jog. No speed work, no hills for two or three weeks. And I’d ice it religiously after every "run." Gradually, I increased the duration and intensity. Over a three month period, the pain slowly subsided and went away. It may not work for you, but it’s clear that doing nothing isn’t working either. Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman USA, 4 months & Counting

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    I have followed Ozzie’s advice and I have healed.  I can’t say if Ozzie’s advice did it, but it sure did not hurt.  He makes sense.  He never claims to have all the answers, which is good as only God has all the answers and we will have to wait a while before we learn them. — Joseph E. Meehan 26 + 6 = 1  It’s Irish Math

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I can’t get rid of my achilles tendonitis problem.

Try heavy eccentric training for Achilles tendonitis. Search with Googles for these words.  I

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If you ever salute anyone, youl salute only the Supreme One and no one else." The rule is, if you pay salutations to a human being, you should say "Namaskar", but if you pay salutations to the Supreme Consciousness (Parama Purus’a), you say "Namaste." Namaste means "I salute Thee." Human beings are greeted with the word "Namaskar" —

And "namaskar" means "I salute…" what?

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Mar 2002 07:10:01 GMT, If you ever salute anyone, youl salute only the Supreme One and no one else." The rule is, if you pay salutations to a human being, you should say "Namaskar", but if you pay salutations to the Supreme Consciousness (Parama Purus’a), you say "Namaste." Namaste means "I salute Thee." Human beings are greeted with the word "Namaskar" — And "namaskar" means "I salute…" what?

To be pedantic, namaskaar isn’t even Sanskrit. namaskaara (masc) ’saltutatio’ is the action noun corresponding to namaskaromi, exactly same as namaskRti, namaskaraNa (neut).

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I do not understand how one word (Namaste) can mean so much in Sanskrit. I have heard various translations in English, and they are all at least a sentence long. For example: "I honour that divine place within you, the place of peace, the place of love, the place where we are all one." Does namaste really mean all this, or does it mean something more basic like "Peace!" or "God inside you!" and yoga instructors add all the extra fluff to ritualize the word? — Christian Richard French-English Translator www.thetranslator.ca PS: There is no turnip in my e-mail.

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The Monier-Williams Sanskrit-English Dictionary has this definition: http://www.uni-koeln.de/phil-fak/indologie/tamil/mwd_search.html namas Meaning  n. bow , obeisance , reverential salutation , adoration (by gesture or word ; often with dat. e.g. [rAmAya namaH] , salutation or glory to Rama ; to utter a salutation , do homage ; {-mas-kR4tya} worshipped , adored ; In the cultural context, the adoration is meant for the Divine, and is implied rather than ‘translated’

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I do not understand how one word (Namaste) can mean so much in Sanskrit. I have heard various translations in English, and they are all at least a sentence long. For example: "I honour that divine place within you, the place of peace, the place of love, the place where we are all one." Does namaste really mean all this, or does it mean something more basic like "Peace!" or "God inside you!" and yoga instructors add all the extra fluff to ritualize the word?

namah = I salute; te = to you; namaste = I salute you ( h# — s / _C ) See "http://sanskrit-sanscrito.tripod.com/sanscritoargentingles.html". Greg Shenaut

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If you ever salute anyone, youl salute only the Supreme One and no one else." The rule is, if you pay salutations to a human being, you should say "Namaskar", but if you pay salutations to the Supreme Consciousness (Parama Purus’a), you say "Namaste." Namaste means "I salute Thee." Human beings are greeted with the word "Namaskar" because they are considered to be the expressions of the Supreme Being. They should not be greeted with "Namaste." In the case of Parama Purus’a either "Namaste" or "Namaskar" is permissible. Namaste may be used for starting meditation, but namaskar is a better use as then one only needs to use namaskar for both people as expressions of the Divine and for the Supreme as the Divine. As per yoga and Tantra, to Parama Purus’a (Supreme Consciousness) one is to do namaste. Namah plus te — "I pay respect to You" — Namaste. And Namaska’ra means, "I am paying my respects." And that is why you may use the word namaste only for Parama Purus’a, but namaska’ra for both Parama Purus’a and the jiiva [unit being]. Tadekam’ jagatsa’ks’iirupam’ namamah. "If I am to pay respect to anybody, I am to pay respect to You only." Mryumrtyu namamyaham: If salutation is to be done, it is to be done to Him. He is the death of death because death fears him as much as you fear death. As death is dangerous to living beings, so Parama Purusa is to death. If salutation is to be given, it is to be given to Him alone–Tamekam Namamah. How to salute Paramapurusa? Namastuhuam or Namaste. Namah plus Tubhyam meke Namastubhyam and Namah plus Te make Namaste–we do Namah to you. For Jiivas (unit) it is Namaskara – Namah Karomi – I greet, I salute – here there is no Tubhyam or Te, i.e. you. For Jiivas, Namaste or Namastubhyam is not to be said, Namaskara is to be said. But for Parama Purusa you can say anything you like – Namaste, Namastubhyam, Namaskara. And if you do not wish to say Namaste or Namaskara, it does not matter. After all He is only a member of your family. — ‘The main characteristic of PROUT-based socioeconomic movements is that they aim to guarantee the comprehensive, multifarious liberation of humanity.’  P R Sarkar PROUT – PROgressive Utilisation Theory http://www.proutworld.org http://www.prout.org New Renaissance: A Journal for Social and Spiritual Awakening: http://www.ru.org

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