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BTW. Isn’t West Virginia supposed to be to most Redneck state in the Union? Just wondering. "DarkSphinx" <invisig…@burkittsville.org

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questioning his ability and the cause becomes lost (imo). Have you considered the possibility that you perhaps have too good an opinion of yourself and that this could also be part of the reason why you and your doctor don’t agree? We don’t "agree" because he’s an idiot. Last time I went he asked me "Why don’t you want to talk to people?!" so I explained to him that if I really didn’t WANT to talk to people, I wouldn’t be there in the first place asking for help. Anyway, now I just avoid talking to him about anything other than to say what med I’ll try next.

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I have been a pain in the ass as far as this goes but it bears repeating. SSRI’s, while very effective for many patient are not known (even among doctors) as the most effective drugs for SP. MAOIs (especially Parnate) are considered more effective but they are somewhat more difficult to prescribe and a GP who doesn’t want a lawsuit on his hands would never dare prescrbe these. Yet these drugs are known to be more effective and are certainly worth a try if nothing else has proved effective. Try mentionning these to your (97 years old) doctor and if he doesn’t react just give someone else a shot. This is your life and these people are not giving you all the opportunnity you deserve. You need to be more aggressive. It’s difficult but if you’re like me a fee hours of "Who the fuck do you think you are" should do it. It’s your life. Keep that in mind. "DarkSphinx" <invisig…@burkittsville.org

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You poor thing, were in Hell do you live? West Virginia. In the middle of nowhere. same problem and it is absolutely infuriating. You do your research and

one pays any kind of attention. And it’s even worse when you have SP because it makes arguing with the doctor that much more difficult. Yup! And it also has a tendency to make me sound really stupid once I get flustered, which certainly doesn’t help matters any. I can remember turning blue in the face trying to explain to doctors that, see, this

girl

I just read about has the same problem as me and this drug helped her and just getting these condescending looks. That said, I haven’t really been able

find a solution. Good luck anyways. Thanks.

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From: "Saskia" Sas…@globetrotter.net BTW. Isn’t West Virginia supposed to be to most Redneck state in the Union? Just wondering.

I thought it was Arkansas or Oklahoma?? Pam

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BTW. Isn’t West Virginia supposed to be to most Redneck state in the Union? Just wondering.

That’s simply not true. There are at least a dozen states in the U.S. vying for the redneck title and some of them are pretty far north. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

"DarkSphinx" <invisig…@burkittsville.org wrote in message news:8vcja3$c3o$1@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com… questioning his ability and the cause becomes lost (imo). Have you considered the possibility that you perhaps have too good an opinion of yourself and that this could also be part of the reason why you and your doctor don’t agree? We don’t "agree" because he’s an idiot. Last time I went he asked me "Why don’t you want to talk to people?!" so I explained to him that if I really didn’t WANT to talk to people, I wouldn’t be there in the first place asking for help. Anyway, now I just avoid talking to him about anything other than to say what med I’ll try next.

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On Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:23:29 -0500, "DarkSphinx" <invisig…@burkittsville.org

wrote: questioning his ability and the cause becomes lost (imo). Have you considered the possibility that you perhaps have too good an opinion of yourself and that this could also be part of the reason why you and your doctor don’t agree? We don’t "agree" because he’s an idiot. Last time I went he asked me "Why don’t you want to talk to people?!" so I explained to him that if I really didn’t WANT to talk to people, I wouldn’t be there in the first place asking for help. Anyway, now I just avoid talking to him about anything other than to say what med I’ll try next.

Forgetting your doctor for a moment, there is also a possibility that you’re one of the rare people for whom most meds don’t work. There’s no way to know this unless you keep trying different meds and they continue to fail after a reasonable attempt. If that turns out to be the case, you may want to lean towards tranquilizers more as a source for anxiety relief. There’s a pretty good chance that one or more of the benzos in sufficient dose can knock down your anxiety. I’m a firm believer in that if only one thing works for you, whether it’s a med or a coping mechanism, use all of it you can to provide relief for yourself. Doug

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GP’s do no get it. "DarkSphinx" <invisig…@burkittsville.org

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questioning his ability and the cause becomes lost (imo). Have you considered the possibility that you perhaps have too good an opinion of yourself and that this could also be part of the reason why you and your doctor don’t agree? We don’t "agree" because he’s an idiot. Last time I went he asked me "Why don’t you want to talk to people?!" so I explained to him that if I really didn’t WANT to talk to people, I wouldn’t be there in the first place asking for help. Anyway, now I just avoid talking to him about anything other than to say what med I’ll try next.

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Where are you located. I know that here in the US, there’s community

mental

health clinics that charge by the ability to pay. That’s what I use.

I’m in West Virginia. Where the deer and the ‘possums play. Did you have a hard time finding someone at your clinic that knew much about anxiety disorders?

And forgetting to take your thyroid pills is just irresponsible. And can

lead

to further health problems, and surely that’s more expensive than taking

the pills. I know. I may have it tested again anyway because I have my doubts about whether or not that’s my problem.

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I think you are making a mistake here. If you keep forgetting to take the pills you can’t expect a remarkable result.

I didn’t start forgetting to take them until after I’d been taking them well beyond the period that they should start working. Like three or four months. My hope that they will work keeps me from forgetting. As for the thyroid meds, I know I’m being irresponsible, and I honestly do try to remember. If I don’t get it tested again I’m going to come up with a really good memory aid. I’m one of those odd little artistic people that can be absent-minded sometimes almost to an extreme and sometimes have to be reminded that hairbrushes exist.

things you should keep in mind. There are othe drugs that work. MAOI’s work quite well for SP although it might be hard to find a GP willing to give them a try.

I know. I asked him about that awhile back and he won’t do it. But I didn’t expect him to anyway. I know that one of the biggest problems with MAOIs are the food restrictions, so I looked those up, but I forgot what they were. Isn’t red meat the biggest one? Because I’m already a vegetarian. Could that make a difference?

in combination with meds. It is difficult to get adequate mental health

care

when you are a teenager but eventually it does end. My suggestion is": do your research, be very informed and be willing to contradict your doctor if there is reason to do so.

I do. He just kind of pats me on the head if I tell him anything though. I was on the SOC-PHOB mailing list for about a year, and I do keep pretty well informed. I’m a college student, so I have access to a few journal articles, and last year I did my Psych paper on SP. I don’t like to get out of the loop.

Whith all respect due to Doug, I did not like the way he dismissed your difficulties by saying "Maybe you have too high an opinion of yourself". I don’t think this is fair. I always used to be told "This wont work"and then I tried Zoloft and it did. Now obviously this is not you case but there are so many choices availlable aside from that.

In WV the majority of people are below the poverty level and can’t afford to see a shrink, so my doc have to deal with them. Good lord. Maybe someone will get him a DSM Christmas. He doesn’t even seem to know basic information that he could easily look up. I can’t blame him for not having in-depth information, but it’s not that hard to find out the basics.

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On Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:23:29 -0500, "DarkSphinx" <invisig…@burkittsville.org

wrote: questioning his ability and the cause becomes lost (imo). Have you considered the possibility that you perhaps have too good an opinion of yourself and that this could also be part of the reason why you and your doctor don’t agree? We don’t "agree" because he’s an idiot. Last time I went he asked me "Why don’t you want to talk to people?!" so I explained to him that if I really didn’t WANT to talk to people, I wouldn’t be there in the first place asking for help. Anyway, now I just avoid talking to him about anything other than to say what med I’ll try next.

DS, You make a very strong point. If he didn’t buy that logic, then you’re probably at an impasse with him. Finding another doctor would be a good idea. I realize that since you’re sp, this may be difficult, and that there’s a possibility that it may be too much to handle. If so, can you confide in a relative or friend to make the appt. and even go with you if need be. You didn’t mention if you were being treated at a uiversity clinic and may not have any other doctor options. Is this the case? Besides the Celexa or Paxil meds, you may also want to consider benzodiazepines such as Xanax. These are very good for controlling anxiety and for preventing anxiety or panic attacks. People with sp frequently take combinations of meds. I do. Specifically I take Xanax, Paxil and Trazodone. My Trazodone dose is small and is only for eliminating insominia problems caused by the Paxil. Good luck. Doug

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Is there any way , even in West Virginia, that you could deal with some kind of decent hospital. I don’t know a whole lot about about US geography but isn’t Pennsylvania close, or Virginia. My… Maybe I’ll come up with something smart to say after I have slept. "DarkSphinx" <invisig…@burkittsville.org

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questioning his ability and the cause becomes lost (imo). Have you considered the possibility that you perhaps have too good an opinion of yourself and that this could also be part of the reason why you and your doctor don’t agree? We don’t "agree" because he’s an idiot. Last time I went he asked me "Why don’t you want to talk to people?!" so I explained to him that if I really didn’t WANT to talk to people, I wouldn’t be there in the first place asking for help. Anyway, now I just avoid talking to him about anything other than to say what med I’ll try next.

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I think you are making a mistake here. If you keep forgetting to take the pills you can’t expect a remarkable result. These drugs are not like downers or speed. They don’t have an immediate effect. It is quite possible that you have very few side effects. Most people I have spoken to on this NG have said that the results did not show up immediately, that instead, they just kind of surprised you one day. If you take the pills erratically, you are jeopatizing your chances of getting good results. Also, there are many things you should keep in mind. There are othe drugs that work. MAOI’s work quite well for SP although it might be hard to find a GP willing to give them a try. Also. it has always been my believe (and the medical establishment’s belief, BTW) that therapy is also very helpful, especially in combination with meds. It is difficult to get adequate mental health care when you are a teenager but eventually it does end. My suggestion is": do your research, be very informed and be willing to contradict your doctor if there is reason to do so.

Whith all respect due to Doug, I did not like the

way he dismissed your difficulties by saying "Maybe you have too high an opinion of yourself". I don’t think this is fair.

Saskia, I didn’t dismiss his difficulties. I tossed out that thought among others that I mentioned in the same post. He replied and I then answered back with a more supportive post as to how he might be able to help himself. I guess you and I are both quick to throw a dart sometimes. FWIW, I don’t see any harm in mentioning a potential negative in a reply to make sure all the bases get covered. Totally off topic: it’s fairly cold here in Wisconsin (USA) today, about 15 degrees F. Is Canada, where you live, having unseasonably cold temps now too? Maybe we’ll get a normal winter here for a change. Doug I always used to be told – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

"This wont work"and then I tried Zoloft and it did. Now obviously this is not you case but there are so many choices availlable aside from that. You owe it to yourself to make sure your voice is heard. And I"ll just stop on this : When I was about 7 years old. I developped a nasty ear infection. My mom took me to the doctor. The doctor said something competent doctors don’t normally say "What does she usually take for this?". My mother told him and he prescribed something like penicilin. What it turned out to be was a severe infection that required much stronger meds and while the penicilin was busy not working the infection got worse. In the end, I had to get an operation, I.V. antibiotics and I lost 50% of my hearing in my left ear. Doctors are not always right. Especially not GPs. You should stay informed and do you own research in my own opinion. "DarkSphinx" <invisig…@burkittsville.org wrote in message news:8vcgtb$cd58$1@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com… This is very important! You have to take your thyroid medication. When your thyroid is underactive, you will have increased anxiety. I don’t. I got the medication adjusted to the right dose about five months ago, took it every day for about three months, and my anxiety level didn’t changed. Or anything else. That’s why I keep forgetting to take it. why don’t you ask him for a referral to a psychiatrist, someone who specializes in anxiety disorders. They would have more info on the current meds for SP. And keep up with your thyroid meds,! Can’t afford it.

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So take Paxil, as he’s willing for you to use it. And if Paxil doesn’t

work,

try Celexa. But give the med. enough time (4-6 weeks) for it to work. Of course, you could always change your physician (?)

I probably will try Paxil. I gave all three meds enough time to work, usually 2-3 months and still got nothing.

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This is very important! You have to take your thyroid medication. When

your

thyroid is underactive, you will have increased anxiety.

I don’t. I got the medication adjusted to the right dose about five months ago, took it every day for about three months, and my anxiety level didn’t changed. Or anything else. That’s why I keep forgetting to take it.

why don’t you ask him for a referral to a psychiatrist, someone who

specializes

in anxiety disorders. They would have more info on the current meds for

SP.

And keep up with your thyroid meds,!

Can’t afford it.

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You poor thing, were in Hell do you live? I have no idea what to say. Maybe in a couple of years you can move to a city and get decent health care from a university medical center. In the mean time… I have been faced with the same problem and it is absolutely infuriating. You do your research and no one pays any kind of attention. And it’s even worse when you have SP because it makes arguing with the doctor that much more difficult. I can remember turning blue in the face trying to explain to doctors that, see, this girl I just read about has the same problem as me and this drug helped her and just getting these condescending looks. That said, I haven’t really been able to find a solution. Good luck anyways. "DarkSphinx" <invisig…@burkittsville.org

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I have a family physician. He knows I have SP. He’s an idiot. He even suggested that the SP was probably caused by my not being Christian,

because

"involvement with Satan can do that to people." No kidding. But anyway. So far he’s prescribed Zoloft and Effexor for me. Not only did they not help

SP, but they had no effect on me whatsoever. I know medications effect people differently, but is it normal to have NO reaction? No matter how

much

my doses increased, nothing happened. Incidentally, he also put me on medication for an underactive thyroid that also had no effect, since I had no symptoms to begin with other than being overweight. I had a blood test that concluded that I had an underactive thyroid, but I still find it strange, and now I can never remember to take the medication because it doesn’t have a noticeable effect. But anyway, I digress. I don’t think he believes me when I tell him nothing’s working, but then I don’t think he believes I have SP and I doubt he would know whether it’s normal for the meds to be useless or not. I have quite a bit more knowledge about psychology in general than he does (and much more about SP) and spent my last appointment trying to explain to him that I have SP and not Avoidant Personality Disorder because he didn’t know there were two separate disorders. I’m virtually certain he doesn’t believe that I have SP at all, in spite of the fact that he knows nothing about it. Whenever I try to

tell

him anything, he patronizes me and acts like I’m some stupid kid that just "got it all off the Internet." He’s apparently unaware of the fact that there are reputable sources of information on the Internet. He wants to prescribe Celexa for me next. I tried to educate him on the medications

that

seem to be more effective, and he gave he "the look" again and told me my only choices were Celexa, Effexor, Zoloft, and Paxil. I’m very tempted to come in for my next appointment armed with black candles and fake vampire blood to spread around the exam room before he comes in, but I can’t do

it.

You can guess why. Anyway, anybody’s opinions on any of the above are welcome. And before you say it, no, a shrink isn’t an option. I can’t afford it. I’ve been through the usual "herbs and breathing exercises" rigmarole and that doesn’t

really

help either. Neither did yoga, exercise (My exercise increased markedly

when

the semester started, because I spent most of the day walking – but guess who has no more stamina or energy and is still over 220 lbs?), or even aromatherapy. So that’s my rant.

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You poor thing, were in Hell do you live?

West Virginia. In the middle of nowhere.

same problem and it is absolutely infuriating. You do your research and no one pays any kind of attention. And it’s even worse when you have SP

because

it makes arguing with the doctor that much more difficult.

Yup! And it also has a tendency to make me sound really stupid once I get flustered, which certainly doesn’t help matters any.

I can remember turning blue in the face trying to explain to doctors that, see, this girl

just read about has the same problem as me and this drug helped her and

just

getting these condescending looks. That said, I haven’t really been able to find a solution. Good luck anyways.

Thanks.

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questioning his ability and the cause becomes lost (imo). Have you considered the possibility that you perhaps have too good an opinion of yourself and that this could also be part of the reason why you and your doctor don’t agree?

We don’t "agree" because he’s an idiot. Last time I went he asked me "Why don’t you want to talk to people?!" so I explained to him that if I really didn’t WANT to talk to people, I wouldn’t be there in the first place asking for help. Anyway, now I just avoid talking to him about anything other than to say what med I’ll try next.

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From: "DarkSphinx" invisig…@burkittsville.org why don’t you ask him for a referral to a psychiatrist, someone who specializes in anxiety disorders. They would have more info on the current meds for SP. And keep up with your thyroid meds,! Can’t afford it.

Where are you located. I know that here in the US, there’s community mental health clinics that charge by the ability to pay. That’s what I use. My doc visit usually is under $5. And there are med programs for people that can’t afford them. And forgetting to take your thyroid pills is just irresponsible. And can lead to further health problems, and surely that’s more expensive than taking the pills. Pam Hope this helps Pam

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On 20-Nov-00 23:35:37, DarkSphinx <invisig…@burkittsville.org

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Re: Curiouser and Curiouser

So take Paxil, as he’s willing for you to use it. And if Paxil doesn’t work, try Celexa. But give the med. enough time (4-6 weeks) for it to work. Of course, you could always change your physician (?) I probably will try Paxil. I gave all three meds enough time to work, usually 2-3 months and still got nothing.

Don’t forget the _therapeutic_ range of dosages. For Paxil, it’s 20 Mg to 50 Mg. If 20 Mg doesn’t seem to work (after 4-6 weeks), try going up to 30 Mg after 2 weeks; then 40 Mg. Good luck. Sylvain. (A gentleman from London, England, UK). swa…@swalde.u-net.com

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I think you are making a mistake here. If you keep forgetting to take the pills you can’t expect a remarkable result. These drugs are not like downers or speed. They don’t have an immediate effect. It is quite possible that you have very few side effects. Most people I have spoken to on this NG have said that the results did not show up immediately, that instead, they just kind of surprised you one day. If you take the pills erratically, you are jeopatizing your chances of getting good results. Also, there are many things you should keep in mind. There are othe drugs that work. MAOI’s work quite well for SP although it might be hard to find a GP willing to give them a try. Also. it has always been my believe (and the medical establishment’s belief, BTW) that therapy is also very helpful, especially in combination with meds. It is difficult to get adequate mental health care when you are a teenager but eventually it does end. My suggestion is": do your research, be very informed and be willing to contradict your doctor if there is reason to do so. Whith all respect due to Doug, I did not like the way he dismissed your difficulties by saying "Maybe you have too high an opinion of yourself". I don’t think this is fair. I always used to be told "This wont work"and then I tried Zoloft and it did. Now obviously this is not you case but there are so many choices availlable aside from that. You owe it to yourself to make sure your voice is heard. And I"ll just stop on this : When I was about 7 years old. I developped a nasty ear infection. My mom took me to the doctor. The doctor said something competent doctors don’t normally say "What does she usually take for this?". My mother told him and he prescribed something like penicilin. What it turned out to be was a severe infection that required much stronger meds and while the penicilin was busy not working the infection got worse. In the end, I had to get an operation, I.V. antibiotics and I lost 50% of my hearing in my left ear. Doctors are not always right. Especially not GPs. You should stay informed and do you own research in my own opinion. "DarkSphinx" <invisig…@burkittsville.org

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This is very important! You have to take your thyroid medication. When your thyroid is underactive, you will have increased anxiety. I don’t. I got the medication adjusted to the right dose about five months ago, took it every day for about three months, and my anxiety level didn’t changed. Or anything else. That’s why I keep forgetting to take it. why don’t you ask him for a referral to a psychiatrist, someone who specializes in anxiety disorders. They would have more info on the current meds for SP. And keep up with your thyroid meds,! Can’t afford it.

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I have a family physician. He knows I have SP. He’s an idiot. He even suggested that the SP was probably caused by my not being Christian, because "involvement with Satan can do that to people." No kidding. But anyway. So far he’s prescribed Zoloft and Effexor for me. Not only did they not help my SP, but they had no effect on me whatsoever. I know medications effect people differently, but is it normal to have NO reaction? No matter how much my doses increased, nothing happened. Incidentally, he also put me on medication for an underactive thyroid that also had no effect, since I had no symptoms to begin with other than being overweight. I had a blood test that concluded that I had an underactive thyroid, but I still find it strange, and now I can never remember to take the medication because it doesn’t have a noticeable effect. But anyway, I digress. I don’t think he believes me when I tell him nothing’s working, but then I don’t think he believes I have SP and I doubt he would know whether it’s normal for the meds to be useless or not. I have quite a bit more knowledge about psychology in general than he does (and much more about SP) and spent my last appointment trying to explain to him that I have SP and not Avoidant Personality Disorder because he didn’t know there were two separate disorders. I’m virtually certain he doesn’t believe that I have SP at all, in spite of the fact that he knows nothing about it. Whenever I try to tell him anything, he patronizes me and acts like I’m some stupid kid that just "got it all off the Internet." He’s apparently unaware of the fact that there are reputable sources of information on the Internet. He wants to prescribe Celexa for me next. I tried to educate him on the medications that seem to be more effective, and he gave he "the look" again and told me my only choices were Celexa, Effexor, Zoloft, and Paxil. I’m very tempted to come in for my next appointment armed with black candles and fake vampire blood to spread around the exam room before he comes in, but I can’t do it. You can guess why. Anyway, anybody’s opinions on any of the above are welcome. And before you say it, no, a shrink isn’t an option. I can’t afford it. I’ve been through the usual "herbs and breathing exercises" rigmarole and that doesn’t really help either. Neither did yoga, exercise (My exercise increased markedly when the semester started, because I spent most of the day walking – but guess who has no more stamina or energy and is still over 220 lbs?), or even aromatherapy. So that’s my rant.

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From: "DarkSphinx" invisig…@burkittsville.org I have a family physician. He knows I have SP. He’s an idiot. He even suggested that the SP was probably caused by my not being Christian, because "involvement with Satan can do that to people." No kidding.

My last employer was like that, to sum it up they told me that if I would give my life over to the lord, then I wouldn’t need medication, God would take of it. yeah, no kidding! But anyway. So

far he’s prescribed Zoloft and Effexor for me. Not only did they not help my SP, but they had no effect on me whatsoever. I know medications effect people differently, but is it normal to have NO reaction?

Zoloft did nothing for me either, effexor was ok as an AD, but not for panic or anxiety. No matter how much

my doses increased, nothing happened. Incidentally, he also put me on medication for an underactive thyroid that also had no effect, since I had no symptoms to begin with other than being overweight. I had a blood test that concluded that I had an underactive thyroid, but I still find it strange, and now I can never remember to take the medication because it doesn’t have a noticeable effect.

This is very important! You have to take your thyroid medication. When your thyroid is underactive, you will have increased anxiety. I’m going through the same thing. BTW, it can take up to 7 weeks for the thyroid medication to feel any difference. Did you doctor take another test after 7 weeks? But anyway, I digress. I don’t think he – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

believes me when I tell him nothing’s working, but then I don’t think he believes I have SP and I doubt he would know whether it’s normal for the meds to be useless or not. I have quite a bit more knowledge about psychology in general than he does (and much more about SP) and spent my last appointment trying to explain to him that I have SP and not Avoidant Personality Disorder because he didn’t know there were two separate disorders. I’m virtually certain he doesn’t believe that I have SP at all, in spite of the fact that he knows nothing about it. Whenever I try to tell him anything, he patronizes me and acts like I’m some stupid kid that just "got it all off the Internet." He’s apparently unaware of the fact that there are reputable sources of information on the Internet. He wants to prescribe Celexa for me next. I tried to educate him on the medications that seem to be more effective, and he gave he "the look" again and told me my only choices were Celexa, Effexor, Zoloft, and Paxil. I’m very tempted to come in for my next appointment armed with black candles and fake vampire blood to spread around the exam room before he comes in, but I can’t do it. You can guess why.

why don’t you ask him for a referral to a psychiatrist, someone who specializes in anxiety disorders. They would have more info on the current meds for SP. And keep up with your thyroid meds,! Pam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

Anyway, anybody’s opinions on any of the above are welcome. And before you say it, no, a shrink isn’t an option. I can’t afford it. I’ve been through the usual "herbs and breathing exercises" rigmarole and that doesn’t really help either. Neither did yoga, exercise (My exercise increased markedly when the semester started, because I spent most of the day walking – but guess who has no more stamina or energy and is still over 220 lbs?), or even aromatherapy. So that’s my rant.

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From: "DarkSphinx" invisig…@burkittsville.org I’m in West Virginia. Where the deer and the ‘possums play. Did you have a hard time finding someone at your clinic that knew much about anxiety disorders?

I’m in Arkansas : ) Only time I ever see a possum, it’s already roadkill. ewwww. Yes, at the clinic I go to they tend to want to treat the depression more than the anxiety. But I have a new p-doc now who is more knowledgeable about anxiety than the old one.

I know. I may have it tested again anyway because I have my doubts about whether or not that’s my problem.

I’m not saying that your thyroid is the main problem, I’m just saying that if you forget your meds, it can make anxiety worse. And it’s very gradual too, so you won’t notice it over night. But it you haven’t had it tested in a year, you probaly should have it done. They told me that once my thyroid stabilizes, I will only have to have it tested once a year. Right now while they are trying to get it right, it’s being tested every 7 weeks. Pam

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On 20-Nov-00 11:01:21, DarkSphinx <invisig…@burkittsville.org

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I have a family physician. He knows I have SP. He’s an idiot. He even suggested that the SP was probably caused by my not being Christian, because "involvement with Satan can do that to people." No kidding. But anyway. So far he’s prescribed Zoloft and Effexor for me. Not only did they not help my SP, but they had no effect on me whatsoever. I know medications effect people differently, but is it normal to have NO reaction? No matter how much my doses increased, nothing happened. Incidentally, he also put me on medication for an underactive thyroid that also had no effect, since I had no symptoms to begin with other than being overweight. I had a blood test that concluded that I had an underactive thyroid, but I still find it strange, and now I can never remember to take the medication because it doesn’t have a noticeable effect. But anyway, I digress. I don’t think he believes me when I tell him nothing’s working, but then I don’t think he believes I have SP and I doubt he would know whether it’s normal for the meds to be useless or not. I have quite a bit more knowledge about psychology in general than he does (and much more about SP) and spent my last appointment trying to explain to him that I have SP and not Avoidant Personality Disorder because he didn’t know there were two separate disorders. I’m virtually certain he doesn’t believe that I have SP at all, in spite of the fact that he knows nothing about it. Whenever I try to tell him anything, he patronizes me and acts like I’m some stupid kid that just "got it all off the Internet." He’s apparently unaware of the fact that there are reputable sources of information on the Internet. He wants to prescribe Celexa for me next. I tried to educate him on the medications that seem to be more effective, and he gave he "the look" again and told me my only choices were Celexa, Effexor, Zoloft, and Paxil. I’m very tempted to come in for my next appointment armed with black candles and fake vampire blood to spread around the exam room before he comes in, but I can’t do it. You can guess why. Anyway, anybody’s opinions on any of the above are welcome. And before you say it, no, a shrink isn’t an option. I can’t afford it. I’ve been through the usual "herbs and breathing exercises" rigmarole and that doesn’t really help either. Neither did yoga, exercise (My exercise increased markedly when the semester started, because I spent most of the day walking – but guess who has no more stamina or energy and is still over 220 lbs?), or even aromatherapy. So that’s my rant.

Hello. You can only find out if a med. will work for you by _trying_ it. I believe that another doctor would have prescribed Paxil or Celexa _first._ So take Paxil, as he’s willing for you to use it. And if Paxil doesn’t work, try Celexa. But give the med. enough time (4-6 weeks) for it to work. Of course, you could always change your physician (?) Sylvain. (A gentleman from London, England, UK). swa…@swalde.u-net.com

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On Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:01:21 -0500, "DarkSphinx" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<invisig…@burkittsville.org

wrote: I have a family physician. He knows I have SP. He’s an idiot. He even suggested that the SP was probably caused by my not being Christian, because "involvement with Satan can do that to people." No kidding. But anyway. So far he’s prescribed Zoloft and Effexor for me. Not only did they not help my SP, but they had no effect on me whatsoever. I know medications effect people differently, but is it normal to have NO reaction? No matter how much my doses increased, nothing happened. Incidentally, he also put me on medication for an underactive thyroid that also had no effect, since I had no symptoms to begin with other than being overweight. I had a blood test that concluded that I had an underactive thyroid, but I still find it strange, and now I can never remember to take the medication because it doesn’t have a noticeable effect. But anyway, I digress. I don’t think he believes me when I tell him nothing’s working, but then I don’t think he believes I have SP and I doubt he would know whether it’s normal for the meds to be useless or not. I have quite a bit more knowledge about psychology in general than he does (and much more about SP) and spent my last appointment trying to explain to him that I have SP and not Avoidant Personality Disorder because he didn’t know there were two separate disorders. I’m virtually certain he doesn’t believe that I have SP at all, in spite of the fact that he knows nothing about it. Whenever I try to tell him anything, he patronizes me and acts like I’m some stupid kid that just "got it all off the Internet." He’s apparently unaware of the fact that there are reputable sources of information on the Internet. He wants to prescribe Celexa for me next. I tried to educate him on the medications that seem to be more effective, and he gave he "the look" again and told me my only choices were Celexa, Effexor, Zoloft, and Paxil. I’m very tempted to come in for my next appointment armed with black candles and fake vampire blood to spread around the exam room before he comes in, but I can’t do it. You can guess why. Anyway, anybody’s opinions on any of the above are welcome. And before you say it, no, a shrink isn’t an option. I can’t afford it. I’ve been through the usual "herbs and breathing exercises" rigmarole and that doesn’t really help either. Neither did yoga, exercise (My exercise increased markedly when the semester started, because I spent most of the day walking – but guess who has no more stamina or energy and is still over 220 lbs?), or even aromatherapy. So that’s my rant.

You may want to consider getting a new doctor. If for whatever reason, that’s not possible, Celexa or Paxil is a good choice for trying to treat sp. BTW, debating with your doctor is a losing proposition if you can’t reach agreement within a couple of visits. Much time spent beyond that just tends to make the doctor irritable because you’re questioning his ability and the cause becomes lost (imo). Have you considered the possibility that you perhaps have too good an opinion of yourself and that this could also be part of the reason why you and your doctor don’t agree? Doug

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Hi DarkSphinx, Your family physician was wrong when he said that SP was caused by not being a Christian. I know, because I am a Christian and have lived with this condition for 36 years. I doubt that this problem will ever go away for me, but I’ve noticed that my SP seems to be getting easier to handle as the years pass. Take care! Geoff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -DarkSphinx wrote:

I have a family physician. He knows I have SP. He’s an idiot. He even suggested that the SP was probably caused by my not being Christian, because "involvement with Satan can do that to people." No kidding. But anyway. So far he’s prescribed Zoloft and Effexor for me. Not only did they not help my SP, but they had no effect on me whatsoever. I know medications effect people differently, but is it normal to have NO reaction? No matter how much my doses increased, nothing happened. Incidentally, he also put me on medication for an underactive thyroid that also had no effect, since I had no symptoms to begin with other than being overweight. I had a blood test that concluded that I had an underactive thyroid, but I still find it strange, and now I can never remember to take the medication because it doesn’t have a noticeable effect. But anyway, I digress. I don’t think he believes me when I tell him nothing’s working, but then I don’t think he believes I have SP and I doubt he would know whether it’s normal for the meds to be useless or not. I have quite a bit more knowledge about psychology in general than he does (and much more about SP) and spent my last appointment trying to explain to him that I have SP and not Avoidant Personality Disorder because he didn’t know there were two separate disorders. I’m virtually certain he doesn’t believe that I have SP at all, in spite of the fact that he knows nothing about it. Whenever I try to tell him anything, he patronizes me and acts like I’m some stupid kid that just "got it all off the Internet." He’s apparently unaware of the fact that there are reputable sources of information on the Internet. He wants to prescribe Celexa for me next. I tried to educate him on the medications that seem to be more effective, and he gave he "the look" again and told me my only choices were Celexa, Effexor, Zoloft, and Paxil. I’m very tempted to come in for my next appointment armed with black candles and fake vampire blood to spread around the exam room before he comes in, but I can’t do it. You can guess why. Anyway, anybody’s opinions on any of the above are welcome. And before you say it, no, a shrink isn’t an option. I can’t afford it. I’ve been through the usual "herbs and breathing exercises" rigmarole and that doesn’t really help either. Neither did yoga, exercise (My exercise increased markedly when the semester started, because I spent most of the day walking – but guess who has no more stamina or energy and is still over 220 lbs?), or even aromatherapy. So that’s my rant.

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Abdomen/Tummy

Question:

Firstly, sorry that this is sightly off topic. Can anyone recommend one single exercise that I can do each morning and/or evening to shift this gut. Preferably not sit-ups. I know I’m inviting ridicule but its starting to get me down especially as I cannot run at the moment due to shin problems. TIA( I hope ) Harry

One half hour of running and walking.

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There is a yoga exercise known as "Greeting the Sun". It’s a progression of twelve postures (some systems use ten rather than twelve) connected by smooth movements of the body. It’s an excellent exercise in that it involves both stretching and strength work. A ten-position version is shown at http://www.catpress.com/planet/fuoco/oeyoga.htm. The twelve-position version has a slight back bend with the arms stretched overhead just after position 1 and just before position 10 in the ten-position version. Twelve cycles through the poses will go a long, long way. You may have to work up to twelve cycles, though.

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There is NO exercise that reduces fat in a specific area. There is simply no such thing. However, there are many things you CAN do to reduce fat overall. I’m sure others in the NG will post many great ideas. David (in Ontario) — — :*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. "Nunc scio quid sit amor." .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Speaking of those ab gadgets… Have you ever seen one of those ab rollers (not what you were talking about). You basically kneel on your knees and then roll this thing with a wheel on the bottom out as far as you can. Sort of illustrated by the little pictures below although now that I look at them they look kind of perverted… o |- _o _| . _/ _. Anyway, I’ve found you can do this with a glass Snapple bottle on carpet. Works great. Although nothing beats the normal crunches and variations there of.

Good deal! And great illustration, too! Certainly cheaper than buying one. They now sell this kind with a spring in it, which basically makes it a little easier to use – you get a little extra resistance on the way out, but then a little less on the way back in as the spring helps you. My problem with these, as I mentioned in my original posting, is that they also work your shoulders and other upper body muscles and I don’t want to do that. Otherwise, I think you’ve found the cheapest ab "gadget" there is! -S- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And I agree that no matter how strong you get your abs it won’t matter much unless you lose the fat that hides them. Of course if you get your abs strong, it will take less time for them to be uncovered once you start running again.

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Speaking of those ab gadgets… Have you ever seen one of those ab rollers (not what you were talking about). You basically kneel on your knees and then roll this thing with a wheel on the bottom out as far as you can. Sort of illustrated by the little pictures below although now that I look at them they look kind of perverted… o |- _o _| . _/ _. Anyway, I’ve found you can do this with a glass Snapple bottle on carpet. Works great. Although nothing beats the normal crunches and variations there of. And I agree that no matter how strong you get your abs it won’t matter much unless you lose the fat that hides them. Of course if you get your abs strong, it will take less time for them to be uncovered once you start running again. -jeff

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Firstly, sorry that this is sightly off topic. Can anyone recommend one single exercise that I can do each morning and/or evening to shift this gut. Preferably not sit-ups. I know I’m inviting ridicule but its starting to get me down especially as I cannot run at the moment due to shin problems. Lots of things will work to help your stomach muscles, but don’t think that doing ab exercises is going to make you look a whole lot different – fat held in is still fat. I have great abs hidden under my extra pounds. The first thing I’d try is a gadget – get any ab gadget that you like. I use an ab roller at my gym, which lets you do crunches without much of the discomfort and neck strain often associated with situps. This kind basically allows you to do a situp, working your abs in isolation, which for me is a good thing since the rest of me is getting plenty of exercise already. If you get the kind of gadget where you roll yourself out along the floor and back in again, you’ll also be working your shoulders, back, and arms, which could be a good thing if that’s what you’re after. There are also lots of variations on the basic exercise. Try laying on your back and doing a small bicycle-like motion with your legs, heels just off the floor, knees returning to straight each time. You can also point your toes and do a scissors motion with your legs, again keeing the knees straight and heels very close to the floor. Anything that focuses on posture will help your abs as well – yoga, for instance. Working on good running form, standing tall and relaxed, works your abs. -S-

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Lots of things will work to help your stomach muscles, but don’t think that doing ab exercises is going to make you look a whole lot different – fat held in is still fat. I have great abs hidden under my extra pounds. The first thing I’d try is a gadget – get any ab gadget that you like. I use an ab roller at my gym, which lets you do crunches without much of the discomfort and neck strain often associated with situps. This kind basically allows you to do a situp, working your abs in isolation, which for me is a good thing since the rest of me is getting plenty of exercise already. If you get the kind of gadget where you roll yourself out along the floor and back in again, you’ll also be working your shoulders, back, and arms, which could be a good thing if that’s what you’re after. There are also lots of variations on the basic exercise. Try laying on your back and doing a small bicycle-like motion with your legs, heels just off the floor, knees returning to straight each time. You can also point your toes and do a scissors motion with your legs, again keeing the knees straight and heels very close to the floor. Anything that focuses on posture will help your abs as well – yoga, for instance. Working on good running form, standing tall and relaxed, works your abs. -S-

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Newbie–tinnitus and TMJ

Question:

You are the second person in a few weeks to describe the problem of trying to quit smoking increases the tinnitus aggravation. Both of you used one of the drugs to quit smoking. The first question would be whether or not the drug is ototoxic or tinnitus aggravating. Let’s assume the answer is no. Could it be that the typical withdrawal symptoms a smoker experiences really and truly aggravate tinnitus? I would think so, even if you did not use one of the popular drugs to do stop smoking. Just a little excitement aggravates my tinnitus so I can only imagine what the hell I went through when I quit smoking would do to tinnitus… I assume, without experience, that as your body completes its withdrawal from tobacco, the aggravation of our tinnitus will be lessened. One side issue is that now you are once again bothered and obsessed by the tinnitus and have to learn to adapt to it all over, just like you did once before. I find that standing in front of the air handler and focusing on its sound helps me break away from focusing on the loudness of tinnitus. If you inventory your muscles and your stress level, you will most likely find that the muscles are tense and your stress is high. Work only relaxing. You’ll make it. — Jack Rodgers There is a cure for tinnitus. Will someone please find it.

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I feel that one reason for my t might be TMJ. I had five teeth pulled when I was a teenager, and then braces put on. I read in a book by a dentist (_Whole Body Dentistry_) that taking out a lot of teeth and crowding all the rest of the teeth together, without any knowledge to how they should best be positioned (most orthodontists just think that as long as they’re straight and pretty, that’s all that counts, according to my dentist), can cause TMJ. As I got older, the teeth started to drift apart (hmm, I guess those other teeth were there for a *reason*), so in December of last year, I got braces put on again. I think this could have aggravated my jaw or condyle (the jaw joint) enough to rachet up the tinnitis. Or maybe it was the fact that he pulled them together so fast. Or maybe I’m allergic to the material that the braces are made of :-! Also, I chewed exclusively on one side of my mouth for the last forty years, and that was another factor that could have thrown my manible out of whack. So, anyhoo, now I’m wearing a little bite guard on my two front teeth. ‘Course, I had to take the brackets off those teeth (I got the wires off, too, in case all that pulling was aggravating the t), so *that* looks lovely, and I get a lot of curious looks, like "why are your brackets like that?" I’ve been wearing the bite guard since August, and I do feel like I’ve improved since then, but I not sure if it’s the bite guard or the changed diet better posture improved attitude praying acupuncture osteopathy meditation yoga exercise massage castor oil packs herbs vitamins chelation mercury removal less days working relaxation techniques blood pressure reduction cranial sacral therapy none or all or some of the above . So, in answer to your question: no tengo la menor idea (I have no idea :-J). But I do support you in whatever you do, and wish you every success! Peace, Faith ******* "j. gingold" <j…@bestweb.net

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Hi-I’ve been lurking for a while but think this is my first posting here. I’ve had tinnitus for years–and also TMJ. For years I thought the sound

was

traffic noise from the highway about a mile away–it’s low-pitched. Saw an ENT a few months ago, who said the T. was caused by a sinus infection

caused

by smoking. So I quit smoking with the help of wellbutrin. The wellbutrin sent me completely around the bend–couldn’t eat, sleep, lost 10lb in one week, so my doctor took me off it and put me on Prozac–same story, so I quit antidepressants and concentrated on

Nicorette

gum. It’s 2 months now since my last cigarette, but now my T. has gotten much worse, and I have incredibly itchy ears. Yesterday saw the same ENT, who

now

says the T. is caused by the TMJ and advised me to take Advil and use a

hair

dryer to apply heat to my ears. He also gave me an exercise for the TMJ–stick my tongue out as far as it will go and hold for 20 seconds a couple of times a day. I’m seeing a stress-medicine specialist, an ammatherapist, and have just started yoga in an attempt to deal with it

all.

Finally started wearing my mouthguard at night for the TMJ, and am kicking myself that I didn’t start doing it years ago when the dentist first gave

to me. The T is much worse in the house where it’s quiet and is especially bad at night. My Radio Shack sound machine helps a little, but I’ve found the T doesn’t bother me at all in rooms where there’s the hum of AC units–like the library or the supermarket. What ticked me off most was

the

ENT’s casual attitude about tinnitus. He actually said, "Some people have freckles; some have tinnitus"–the old You-just-have-to-live-with-it line. I’ve joined ATA and am waiting for some info (hopefully) on New York area doctors or dentists who are a little more sympathetic. The ENT gave me a hearing test, but no other tests or MRI. I feel pretty down today and am going to my shrink tonite to get my spirits back up to grapple with this thing. Sorry to hit you with my whole life story, but needed to vent to a sympathetic (I hope) audience. Does anyone have any input on the effect of yoga on TMJ or tinnitus? TIA, jeanette

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in article B61B81D9.1739%jrodg…@bellsouth.net, Jack Rodgers at jrodg…@bellsouth.net wrote on 10/24/00 6:13 PM:

You are the second person in a few weeks to describe the problem of trying to quit smoking increases the tinnitus aggravation. Both of you used one of the drugs to quit smoking.

<snip

Thanks, Jack, for your support and suggestions. I’m reading a book on

self-hypnosis by Alman and am wondering if anyone has had success with self-hypnosis and T. Peace to you and others who responded.–Jeanette

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Hi-I’ve been lurking for a while but think this is my first posting here. I’ve had tinnitus for years–and also TMJ. For years I thought the sound was traffic noise from the highway about a mile away–it’s low-pitched. Saw an ENT a few months ago, who said the T. was caused by a sinus infection caused by smoking. So I quit smoking with the help of wellbutrin. The wellbutrin sent me completely around the bend–couldn’t eat, sleep, lost 10lb in one week, so my doctor took me off it and put me on Prozac–same story, so I quit antidepressants and concentrated on Nicorette gum. It’s 2 months now since my last cigarette, but now my T. has gotten much worse, and I have incredibly itchy ears. Yesterday saw the same ENT, who now says the T. is caused by the TMJ and advised me to take Advil and use a hair dryer to apply heat to my ears. He also gave me an exercise for the TMJ–stick my tongue out as far as it will go and hold for 20 seconds a couple of times a day. I’m seeing a stress-medicine specialist, an ammatherapist, and have just started yoga in an attempt to deal with it all. Finally started wearing my mouthguard at night for the TMJ, and am kicking myself that I didn’t start doing it years ago when the dentist first gave it to me. The T is much worse in the house where it’s quiet and is especially bad at night. My Radio Shack sound machine helps a little, but I’ve found the T doesn’t bother me at all in rooms where there’s the hum of AC units–like the library or the supermarket. What ticked me off most was the ENT’s casual attitude about tinnitus. He actually said, "Some people have freckles; some have tinnitus"–the old You-just-have-to-live-with-it line. I’ve joined ATA and am waiting for some info (hopefully) on New York area doctors or dentists who are a little more sympathetic. The ENT gave me a hearing test, but no other tests or MRI. I feel pretty down today and am going to my shrink tonite to get my spirits back up to grapple with this thing. Sorry to hit you with my whole life story, but needed to vent to a sympathetic (I hope) audience. Does anyone have any input on the effect of yoga on TMJ or tinnitus? TIA, jeanette

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YOGA/EXERCISE

Question:

but am i fooling myself? — read and post daily, it works! rosie http://www.algore2000.com/byoc/campaign/39ac3eb7b527b.html

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but am i fooling myself?

No. It’s quite effective as exercise. As for the rest, it’s there when and if you want it. -Ed

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I just found that because of my body type – I should do no more exercise than a light bicycle ride as a daily exercise, but a good bout of Yoga is quite acceptable..(for me) I thought I was kidding myself with my diet, and felt that I ought to pre-empt getting fatter as I get older and made my diet much more "healthy" (less fast, salt and sugars). This has made me even more sick and weak – even to the point of low nutrition which lead to IBS kind of symptoms Some people need lots of heavy exercise and some only a bit – but regularity seems to be the key (again I can only speak for my own experience so far) Sue – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – but am i fooling myself? No. It’s quite effective as exercise. As for the rest, it’s there when and if you want it. -Ed

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Falling out of love…

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As cruel as my husband has been to me during our divorce (ongoing now)… I am feeling much as you are. It is so hard to forget the good times we had together and we had a lot. In my case, half my life was spent with my stbx and the memories don’t go away. But as I reflect on the past, I see that maybe I overlooked many signs of trouble and imagined so much more than there was. Some of us invest our hearts and souls into a marriage because we meant it to last a lifetime. The larger the investment, the greater the pain. Best wishes to you. Barb * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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But whatever you do, please do not try to heal that hole in your heart by trying to have someone else fill it for you. Any attempt to find your happiness *in someone else* will only hurt you more in the long run.

I had a long talk with my sister-in-law (s2bx’s sister) about this and she made me understand how silly this would be! Like you, she said I would probably end up falling for this person and end up getting hurt even worse. She is going through a divorce also (don’t ask!) and we have started talking to each other quite a bit. She gives me insight about how a woman feels and I give her insight into how a man feels while we are going through this. We are both starting to feel a lot better about ourselves and it always feels good to be able to cry on each other’s shoulder once in a while. We made an agreement the other day that we would start trying to go out together when we are feeling lonley. We used to do this all the time when we were married and always had fun together. Hopefully we can help each other get through this a little better and quicker, you never know. Don’t worry, I have always been the brother she didn’t have and she is more like a sister to me than my real sister. Dustin P.S. I just got a call from my s2bx, she finally let the lawyer get a court date, June 30 at 10:00 am. WooHoo, one more hurdle down, about a bagillion to go:-)

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Sometimes I think I am going crazy because I hate her and love her at the same time! How can you have such opposite emotions for someone?

Those emotions aren’t as far apart as they seem. Love and hate are such strong, overpowering emotions that there seems to be a fine line between. When done (or become).

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I agree Completely with this one.. I have been married for a year and a half. My wife and I love each other deeply, but she has problems along with a family that hates me. Over the last 18 months, I have been placed in jail, had a restraining order placed against me, had my car stolen by her, had it impounded as well. Had to pay for a bus ticket from Florida to New Hampshire, just to have her end up in another state. She returned after our anniversary for one night, and gone again for 6 months. Now I have just spent the most wonderful two days with my wife, just to see her go back to her new Boyfriend, with whom she’s pregnant with twins. And through all this I still love her, and am not mad at her or hate her, just sad. My wife and I have started over as friends, it will be hard for me, we are working at the same company. (I am a fool, of course. At least thats what everyone here’s tellin me.) But I know eventually, I will have my wife back again, if even for a few days or weeks. Without her, my life is quite boring now. Well guess thats enough carrining on.. — Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sometimes I think I am going crazy because I hate her and love her at the same time! How can you have such opposite emotions for someone? Those emotions aren’t as far apart as they seem. Love and hate are such strong, overpowering emotions that there seems to be a fine line between. When they’ve done (or become).

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I agree Completely with this one.. I have been married for a year and a half. My wife and I love each other deeply, but she has problems along with a family that hates me. Over the last 18 months, I have been placed in jail, had a restraining order placed against me, had my car stolen by her, had it impounded as well. Had to pay for a bus ticket from Florida to New Hampshire, just to have her end up in another state. She returned after our anniversary for one night, and gone again for 6 months. Now I have just spent the most wonderful two days with my wife, just to see her go back to her new Boyfriend, with whom she’s pregnant with twins. And through all this I still love her, and am not mad at her or hate her, just sad. My wife and I have started over as friends, it will be hard for me, we are working at the same company. (I am a fool, of course. At least thats what everyone here’s tellin me.) But I know eventually, I will have my wife back again, if even for a few days or weeks. Without her, my life is quite boring now. Well guess thats enough carrining on..

Johhny: Have you begun a new career as a professional DOOR MAT! Where is that cast iron frying pan, hmm…., lets see… Ah yes, here it is! Stand real still…. KABONG! (Damn, you bent the pan!) AHA! That’s your problem! There is ROCKS IN YOUR HEAD! I heard ‘em! Your wife disappears into the sunset, carries on with GOD knows how many strange men, gets knocked up by one of them with twins….. and YOU are willing to take her back??? Do you realize that if you take her back, the courts will invoke the "Presumption of Paternity" laws and MAKE YOU PAY FOR THE OTHER MAN’S CHILDREN FOR THE NEXT 18+ YEARS! Have you LOST YOUR &^$*&$^%$ MIND? IMHO, you need to seek professional councelling – RIGHT NOW! Only someone with REAL SERIOUS ISSUES would do what you are doing! This woman does not give damn about her vows, and probably not about YOU either! GET HELP & GET OUT — NOW! Before you suffer a cuckold’s fate! Unless that is what you REALLY WANT! Lloyd – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ Sometimes I think I am going crazy because I hate her and love her at the same time! How can you have such opposite emotions for someone? Those emotions aren’t as far apart as they seem. Love and hate are such strong, overpowering emotions that there seems to be a fine line between. When what they’ve done (or become).

Before you buy.

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Soon enough you will stop hating her. When you do, you

will realize that she wasn’t good enough for you, she was only holding you back, and that you will do better.<< I cannot stand being on such a rollercoaster of emotions. Depending on what hour you talk to me, you get a different person. I can’t WAIT to get past the hate and the hurt and to be able to really focus on the fact that he wasn’t good enough for me… that I want and deserve more. I try to think of it the same way as listening to a storm. You see the flash of lightening and start counting until you hear the thunder. If the numbers climb higher than you know the storm is moving away. I count, now, every time I hit the floor. I count until the next time that I hit the floor. If the numbers climb, than I know that I am doing better. Instead of focusing on the fact that I have been brought to my knees, yet again, I try to remember that I got a little farther this time, before I fell. And one day, not soon, but one day, I know that I won’t even have to count anymore. I cannot fathom that, but I know it’s true. Colleene * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful

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How on earth do you fall out of love with your spouse?

Well not that I was ever IN Love with my spouse, but HE made it very easy to not only NOT love him but to NOT like him! I know this was not your case, and I know there is some part of you that will doubtless always love him, but I think you need to put that part of you deep inside and try and move on, as hard as it may be.

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", how the heck do you fall out of love with the person you promised to spend the rest of your life with? The pain is horrible." Love has nothing to do with commitment they are two separate issues.

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What you’re feeling now isn’t permanent. It’s grieving, and it’s as real as if your your spouse had died. Because either by way of death or divorce, in many ways, it amounts to the same thing — the loss of a relationship. And so as ironic as it sounds, it’s quite natural and healthy that you would feel this way right now. And I would be more concerned for you if you didn’t feel this way now. Just as you are faithful that a wound on your body would heal, know too that this pain of loss you are feeling right now will heal itself with time as well. In the mean time, just as you would do with a bodily wound, be kind to yourself, and go easy with yourself. This will best help the healing process along; most efficiently help the current pain subside. C.J.

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Even though I hate her for cheating on me I still have this empty place in my heart where she used to be.

Soon enough you will stop hating her. When you do, you will realize that she wasn’t good enough for you, she was only holding you back, and that you will do better. I never hated her, so I got through those other steps fairly quickly.

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Half the time I feel like I’m about to snap, I’m so mad, and the other half, I just plain miss her. I feel like I need to meet someone to help me move on and fill in that empty spot in my

heart, I know exactly how you feel. These feelings almost destroyed me. I thought for certain that they would eventually kill me. But it DOES get better with time. I can’t say that I never hurt anymore, but I can say that even in down times I KNOW I will survive them. I’ve even found times with real joy, much to my surprise, without her. But whatever you do, please do not try to heal that hole in your heart by trying to have someone else fill it for you. Any attempt to find your happiness *in someone else* will only hurt you more in the long run. While you would be trying to make room in your heart for another, you would still fail at filling THAT hole. Another person can not fill it for you. You must first repair the damage, accept the loss, and GROW from this experience before you can properly accept another into your heart. Believe it or not, this is an OPPORTUNITY to really discover yourself and to really grow stronger and more capable of love. It can hopefully lead to an even better love based solely on desire instead of on need. The temptations to "replace" what once filled that empty spot in your heart will be great. But resist them so that you can heal first. Don’t fool yourself into thinking "I’m ready", until you are comfortable with who you are as a single person first. The only thing I’ve found that immediately can help to fill that hole is God. Rushing into filling the hole with another person will prevent you from every healing and ever getting completely past this.

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Colleene, Love makes us all a little blind. Love makes us all a little crazy. When we love someone, it is so easy to overlook so many faults. I did for too long. I loved my fiancee so much…even though he did drugs behind my back, went to a 17-year-old girl’s house all the time behind my back, and then there were the things that he didn’t do behind my back…like looking me dead in the eye and lying about it. Yet, I still loved him, blindly and was willing to forgive all this. Then we rushed into a marriage and then after it was all over, it just hit me! BAM! I had married a jerk. The things he did to me were inexcusable. I was used and I was taken advantage of…what’s more is that I’ve discovered I’m too good for him and I’m getting out of it. He is hurt, now, of course. He doesn’t want me to leave, but you know why? It’s because he will never find someone else to take his sh*t again. What’s more, right as I’m starting this divorce, I had fate deal me another big thing to handle…I have always been a skeptic. Never believed in fate and all that other such bullsh*t, but then a guy comes along whose likeness to me is so powerful it’s about knocked me flat on my rear. Yet, I’m keeping him at bay for a long time, till my heart is over ‘the jerk’. It just made me realize that there is a whole big, world out there and life is too beautiful to waste on someone who makes you unhappy. Don’t stare upon the door that has closed, just look at the one that’s opened for you. A cheater is always a cheater. If he sees you happy and full of life again, yeah, he’ll be back, but slam that door shut in his face, girl…the world is yours!!!! Adopt a theme song, adopt a mantra…those are the pills that worked best for me. Watch the movie ‘Sliding Doors’. It’s great…and it shows how fate can work with romance…I guarantee it will shed some light on what I’m talking about. You are too good for him, don’t forget that! – Kelly * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Colleene, your forgeting something here… your husband fell out of love a long time back. He has had a long time to rationalize his behavior. If he seems cool and withdrawn, it because he moved on a long time ago. us part really meant something to me. My greatest fear is going to my grave still holding him in my heart. Not that

Planning on dying soon? The truth is that in time, you will look back and he will no longer hold that special place. promised to spend the rest of your life with? The pain is horrible.

The pain is horrible, but it will get better, I swear it.

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", how the heck do you fall out of love with the person you promised to spend the rest of your life with? The pain is horrible." Love has nothing to do with commitment they are two separate issues. For my own part, I find them very much connected.

A person can be in love with someone but not be committed to them; as in the case of being in love with a former spouse but no longer being committed to them or the relationship. A person can be committed to someone out of obligation but not be in love with them. Commitment is the foundation for any genuinely loving

relationship. I grant you that commitment does not guarantee the success of a

relationship, but it is a most significant factor to help assure it.

Ah, but if both parties are truly committed to the relationship is will most certainly guarantee the success of the relationship because BOTH parties will work toward solutions to keep the relationship healthy and in tact. Whether consciously or instinctively, anyone who is truly concerned about the

emotional or spiritual growth of another individual knows that he or she can

significantly foster that growth only through a relationship of constancy.

Commitment to the person only will ultimately doom the relationship. In times of stress, illness, tragedy, etc. one spouse may not feel any love toward the spouse. These times pass and the feeling of love returns. At these moments of difficulty if all they have to hang on to is commitment to someone they feel no love for they simply will not stay. But if they are committed to the marriage they have a firm foundation that will keep them in the relationship. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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", how the heck do you fall out of love with the person you promised to spend the rest of your life with? The pain is horrible." Love has nothing to do with commitment they are two separate issues.

For my own part, I find them very much connected. Commitment is the foundation for any genuinely loving relationship. I grant you that commitment does not guarantee the success of a relationship, but it is a most significant factor to help assure it. Whether consciously or instinctively, anyone who is truly concerned about the emotional or spiritual growth of another individual knows that he or she can significantly foster that growth only through a relationship of constancy. Children, for example, can’t grow to psychological maturity in an atmosphere of unpredictablity whether they are constantly concerned about the specter of abandonment. Likewise, couples can’t confront the problems of their marriages in any healthy way without the security of knowing that the act of struggling over these issues will not itself destroy the relationship. As bedrock is to a building, commitment is to love. And a love relationship without a component of commitment is likely to crumble, or at the very least become sickly or chronically frail. C.J.

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Is there a special pill I could swallow?! Seriously, how the heck do you fall out of love with the person you promised to spend the rest of your life with? The pain is horrible.

Colleene, This may sound silly, but there is a book called, "How To Fall Out of Love" I think the author is Debra Phillips, but I’m not sure. Anyway, I’ve used the book several times to help me get over a lost love. It uses behavior based exercises, like thought stopping. The author’s premise is falling in love is partly a learned behavior. It’s worth reading even if you decide you’re not interested in trying her techniques because she gives lots of case studies which show you CAN get over someone you once loved! She has examples of both marriages and relationships which have ended because one partner left, as well as loss through death.

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This may sound silly, but there is a book called, "How To

Fall Out of Love"<< If that book gives me even one good idea, then it will be worth it. Thought stopping is exactly what I need to do. My mind wanders way too much. There are moments when I get so caught up in the ‘what if’s’. Really, thankyou for telling me about the book. I’m going to the bookstore in the morning! Colleene * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful

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Till death do us part really meant something to me. My greatest fear is going to my grave still holding him in my heart.

One thing that always amazes me about this list is how many times someone else writes exactly what I’m feeling or thinking! Even though I hate her for cheating on me I still have this empty place in my heart where she used to be. Every time I hear a sad song or think about her while I’m laying awake in bed, I start to cry because I miss her! Sometimes I think I am going crazy because I hate her and love her at the same time! How can you have such opposite emotions for someone? Half the time I feel like I’m about to snap, I’m so mad, and the other half, I just plain miss her. I feel like I need to meet someone to help me move on and fill in that empty spot in my heart, but I don’t know where to begin. I just want to meet a woman I can hang out with and go dancing and do other fun (cheap) stuff with. I’m not sure that, or anything, will ever let me forget the love. Like the song says, "Her voice is in my soul." I think she will always have a piece of my heart no matter what. I think, as time goes by, that piece will get smaller, but I somehow think it will never go away. Hopefully, the pain that goes along with that piece of my heart will shrink as well. Dustin

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How on earth do you fall out of love with your spouse? Obviously, my husband had no problem doing so, but I just can’t fathom not loving him anymore. I try to focus on the affair, but I’m so willing to forgive that and get past it, that it doesn’t help much. I’ve been living with this mess since January, and it doesn’t seem to be getting any easier. I KNOW that I have to move on, alone, and I will do that, but no matter where my life takes me, it seems like I will always be in love with him. I KNOW I have to let go of my hope that he’ll come back, but letting go of the hope doesn’t mean I let go of the love. Till death do us part really meant something to me. My greatest fear is going to my grave still holding him in my heart. Not that I’m at all interested in another relationship at this time, but how on earth do I give myself to someone else if my heart still belongs to him? This just sucks big time.

Hope is a wonderful thing. *False* hope isn’t. All humans need to differentiate between the two. It’s not easy to do so, when we want it so to be what we want. But, the world has a way of not listening at all to such requests. You start by letting go of the fears. When someone is too wrapped up in a fear, the thing that they fear most has great power over them. Take that power back, for yourself. Again, it’s not easy. But, the important things in life rarely are. Is there a special pill I could swallow?! Seriously, how the heck do you fall out of love with the person you promised to spend the rest of your life with? The pain is horrible.

In my case, a small part of me still loves the woman that my ex once *was*. But, as I *know*, on every level that she is not that woman, and that she, by her choice, will never again *be* that woman, I can feel that, and it doesn’t hold me back from anything. And, for the record, if my ex were to come to me and say " Andre, I made a horrid mistake in leaving you. I now want to apologise for what I did to you, and to make it right with you ", it would mean nothing, as I would not believe her, based on her record of the last five years. I would say " sign this decree, and give me back the stuff that yoy stole from me ". Colleene, there is no easy way, no happy pill, no yoga exercise that will guarantee your feeling differently. All that there is, is that *you* have to choose to no longer be in love with someone who did what he did to you. The love that you offer, means nothing to him. Why would you offer something of value, to you, to someone who doesn’t place any value on it ? Your promise is abrogated, by his actions. No one makes a 100% unconditional promise to be with someone, come *anything*. *Some* things are beyond the pale, and their commission by one spouse, frees the other spouse, legally and morally, from said promise. I understand that your promise means much to *you*. But, it doesn’t, to *him*. And, you know what we say here about the success rates of marriages where only one spouse works to maintain the marraige. Let it *go*. It only affects you, at this time. And, not for your own good. Let it go. In time. Colleene

Andre — " The noblest achievement of the imagination is to make time run some other way, and terminate in beauty and forgivness " David Gelernter, " 1939 "

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Is there a special pill I could swallow?! Seriously, how the heck do you fall out of love with the person you promised to spend the rest of your life with? The pain is horrible.

Hi Colleene, There is indeed a special pill you can take to fall out of love with someone who has hurt you. It’s called Time, and is available without a prescription. Seriously, you are doing exactly what you need to be doing. Time will do the rest. I read all of your posts here, and I can see that you are having a hard time, but you are surviving. You are still in the "first phase" of the process, the one where you are angry and hurt, but still miss the person, the relationship, etc. In time, your attachment to him will become less and less, and you’ll actually reach a point where you can’t even imagine him being a part of your life! (trust me on this one). You may always love him. Despite how terrible my wife was to me, I will probably always love her. I would never want her to be a part of my life again, but she played such an important role in my life for so long that I will always remember the good times fondly. By helping people here (which I notice you do), you will continue to discover things about yourself. It is this self-realization that will help you move on and will help you find a better relationship next time (no rush!). My guess is that you have a touch of co-dependence you’re battling against. That’s very common, I have it too. A good book recommendation, if you’re into reading, is Codependence No More by Melanie Beattie. Take it day by day, continue helping others, and seek counseling of your own. Each person is on their own timetable. For me, it’s been since October, and I am a completely different person. I’m finally happy for the first time in my life. For you, it may take longer to feel happiness (with yourself). Hang in there, we’re here for you! Michael Before you buy.

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Colleene I have several years behind me and my ex’s affair so maybe I can help. My experience has been in the last 3 years that I still love the man that I married. However my ex is not that man. You have to do a lot of reflection on the kind of man that he was and now has become. It is very painful sometimes because we had 16 good (not always great but good) years together and 2 beautiful girls who are now 13 and 8. I have also given myself permission to still have part of my heart belong to him. He was a very big part of my life for a very long time and we do share the girls so it is OK to still love who he was then. It took me over 2 years to get to that point and realize that it was normal to still have feelings for this man who broke my heart. You are a very strong woman and have handled this situation very well so far. I think that you will do just fine. You don’t have to stop loving him if you don’t want to. You do have to realize that he has changed to the point that he can hurt you this way – I’m sure that the man you married would not have been capable of inflicting this kind of pain on anyone especially you. Just take things slowly and keep reminding yourself that he is the one with the problem not you. Unfortunately some people get very self-centered and selfish when they get older and the rest of us end up paying the price for their selfishness. Good luck to you, and keep up the good work. Debbie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How on earth do you fall out of love with your spouse? Obviously, my husband had no problem doing so, but I just can’t fathom not loving him anymore. I try to focus on the affair, but I’m so willing to forgive that and get past it, that it doesn’t help much. I’ve been living with this mess since January, and it doesn’t seem to be getting any easier. I KNOW that I have to move on, alone, and I will do that, but no matter where my life takes me, it seems like I will always be in love with him. I KNOW I have to let go of my hope that he’ll come back, but letting go of the hope doesn’t mean I let go of the love. Till death do us part really meant something to me. My greatest fear is going to my grave still holding him in my heart. Not that I’m at all interested in another relationship at this time, but how on earth do I give myself to someone else if my heart still belongs to him? This just sucks big time. Is there a special pill I could swallow?! Seriously, how the heck do you fall out of love with the person you promised to spend the rest of your life with? The pain is horrible. Colleene * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find

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How on earth do you fall out of love with your spouse?

Mine made it very easy for me!!! Obviously, my husband had no problem doing so, but I just can’t fathom not loving him anymore. I try to focus on the affair, but I’m so willing to forgive that and get past it, that it doesn’t help much. I’ve been living with this mess since January, and it doesn’t seem to be getting any easier. I KNOW that I have to move on, alone, and I will do that, but no matter where my life takes me, it seems like I will always be in love with him. I KNOW I have to let go of my hope that he’ll come back, but letting go of the hope doesn’t mean I let go of the love. Till death do us part really meant something to me. My greatest fear is going to my grave still holding him in my heart. Not that I’m at all interested in another relationship at this time, but how on earth do I give myself to someone else if my heart still belongs to him?

You shouldn’t become seriously involved until you can let go of him… It wouldn’t be fair to the new person, or to yourself… That’s why so many people say to wait a long time… Others are ready right away… Only YOU will know when YOU are ready….. This just sucks big time.

yep, it does…. Is there a special pill I could swallow?! Seriously, how the heck do you fall out of love with the person you promised to spend the rest of your life with? The pain is horrible.

I’m so sorry for you, but you will get over this pain…. Have faith… Take a day at a time, and keep moving forward… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Colleene * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful

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How on earth do you fall out of love with your spouse? Obviously, my husband had no problem doing so, but I just can’t fathom not loving him anymore. I try to focus on the affair, but I’m so willing to forgive that and get past it, that it doesn’t help much. I’ve been living with this mess since January, and it doesn’t seem to be getting any easier. I KNOW that I have to move on, alone, and I will do that, but no matter where my life takes me, it seems like I will always be in love with him. I KNOW I have to let go of my hope that he’ll come back, but letting go of the hope doesn’t mean I let go of the love. Till death do us part really meant something to me. My greatest fear is going to my grave still holding him in my heart. Not that I’m at all interested in another relationship at this time, but how on earth do I give myself to someone else if my heart still belongs to him? This just sucks big time. Is there a special pill I could swallow?! Seriously, how the heck do you fall out of love with the person you promised to spend the rest of your life with? The pain is horrible. Colleene * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful

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How on earth do you fall out of love with your spouse?

You don’t. Or at least you don’t do it on a certain timetable. I think that the best you can do in the short term is just to accept the fact that the relationship is no longer. And maybe in the long-term, too. For example, there’s a man out there somewhere that I still love. Was all set to marry him and, due to things that we couldn’t control, we ended up not marrying. I still love him (or, more accurately, I love the man that he was *then*. I have no idea if I would love the man that he is *now*,) but I have no desire to look him up or find out if he’s married or what because the relationship just isn’t possible. It doesn’t detract from the fact that I still have feelings for him, it doesn’t affect my marriage, it doesn’t have anything to do with anything other than I do still care about him. But that doesn’t happen overnight and it certainly didn’t happen because of anything in particular that I did. It was more of a ‘Well, we’re not getting married, I’ll probably never see him again, being together is not an option’ acceptance that came over a long period of time. — Tracey —– "All a parent, *any* parent, can do is give it their best shot, right or wrong. The actual outcome rests on so many variables, no single person can assume responsibility, blame or praise for whatever happens…. We’ve got to remember not to try to shoulder the blame for what other people do…." –Aahz–

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It seems like I’m always tired and fatigued. I really have to work hard at staying motivated. I force myself to do everything. I wake up and drink a cup of coffee, trying to get going. I can’t drink more than 2 cups of 1/2 strength coffee or I’ll end up with heart palpitations. If I drink to much coffee, I’ll defeat my purpose because it causes me to feel like a zoned-out-hyped-up moron. Then I’ll have to sit around trying to wait for this densed-out feeling to pass. If I don’t drink coffee, I’m still at point one, too tired to lift my head off the pillow. I probably need to start an exercise program. As I have said before, I weigh as much as I did when I was pregnant with my twins in the 9th month (They weighed a little over 12 lbs together.) or as much as my last daughter (Who weighed 10 lbs 6 ozs.). Needless to say, my lack of energy is not helping me get motivated to exercise. I have never gotten back to my pre-pregnancy weight. Like I have said many times, I’m a tired mother. What is helping increase your drive to get up and go? Or not? Maybe, I should give up the caffeine, but then what?? Mel To email me remove "nocrap" from my email address.

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Hi, Mel. I sometimes feel really zonked during the day. It was bad this summer, then my doc adjusted my meds (added wellbutrin), and things have been better for me since then. I wouldn’t give up the cup of coffee if it helps you, but I DEFINITELY recommend that you exercise daily. I work out everyday. It helps me to feel less depressed, less anxious, and it gets my heart pumping so that I’m more awake. You don’t have to do some god-awful killer exercise. Just go for a morning walk- even if it’s early, you’ll feel better the rest of the day. If you don’t want to or can’t get outside, walk around in the house. My 82 year old grandfather walks 40 minutes everyday- when it’s too cold, hot, or rainy, he just does it inside. What a guy! Anyway- I think that exercise will make you feel good about yourself, make you healthier (mentally and physically), and will perk you up a little more for the rest of your day. IMO, of course! jb

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Hi Mel, I have to force myself to do everything also, only way to do it as activity is about the best for anyone, IMHO. Go to your library and get a book on ’stretching exercises’, they are easy to do and can be done on the bed and they do relax you, and you also kill some time doing them. Just be careful and start off slowly and do the easy ones from the start. I have been on Zoloft for about 6 weeks now and one of the common side effects of an anti-depressent is anxiety so I gave up on coffee about 3 weeks ago and I think it has lowered my anxiety somewhat. I did not need anymore anxiety what with the normal anxiety and the medication anxiety so I just stopped the coffee. YMMV Gene in New Jersey – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -It seems like I’m always tired and fatigued. I really have to work hard at staying motivated. I force myself to do everything. I wake up and drink a cup of coffee, trying to get going. I can’t drink more than 2 cups of 1/2 strength coffee or I’ll end up with heart palpitations. If I drink to much coffee, I’ll defeat my purpose because it causes me to feel like a zoned-out-hyped-up moron. Then I’ll have to sit around trying to wait for this densed-out feeling to pass. If I don’t drink coffee, I’m still at point one, too tired to lift my head off the pillow. I probably need to start an exercise program. As I have said before, I weigh as much as I did when I was pregnant with my twins in the 9th month (They weighed a little over 12 lbs together.) or as much as my last daughter (Who weighed 10 lbs 6 ozs.). Needless to say, my lack of energy is not helping me get motivated to exercise. I have never gotten back to my pre-pregnancy weight. Like I have said many times, I’m a tired mother. What is helping increase your drive to get up and go? Or not? Maybe, I should give up the caffeine, but then what?? Mel To email me remove "nocrap" from my email address.

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Dear Mel, I would suggest trying yoga. I love it. It’s not strenuous and you feel incredibly invigorated afterward. It doesn’t cause anxiety like my stepper or aerobics. I first tried books but found to get the safest and proper pose instruction, pick up a video. I started with one by Lilia? Sorry, I can’t be more specific. The video by Kathy Smith called New Yoga is good. She does the pose at the advanced level and their are also examples of what to do if you are a beginner. Honestly, I’m still doing the beginner poses. They are just as good as the advanced ones. I also can not give up my one cup of coffee a day. I tend to make it very, very strong so my husband insists I’m actually drinking two cups a day. I like it black and hot. I know I would probably have less anxiety without it but I know some people who drink pots a day so I figure one or two cups is not the root of my anxiety problem. Give them kids of yours a hug for me and give yourself the biggest one, you need it, you sound pooped my friend!! Tell your husband you need a hug and that I said so!!! <vbg Love, Annette

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It seems like I’m always tired and fatigued. I really have to work hard at staying motivated. I force myself to do everything. I wake up and drink a cup of coffee, trying to get going. I can’t drink more than 2 cups of 1/2 strength coffee or I’ll end up with heart palpitations. If I drink to much coffee, I’ll defeat my purpose because it causes me to feel like a zoned-out-hyped-up moron. Then I’ll have to sit around trying to wait for this densed-out feeling to pass. If I don’t drink coffee, I’m still at point one, too tired to lift my head off the pillow. I probably need to start an exercise program. As I have said before, I weigh as much as I did when I was pregnant with my twins in the 9th month (They weighed a little over 12 lbs together.) or as much as my last daughter (Who weighed 10 lbs 6 ozs.). Needless to say, my lack of energy is not helping me get motivated to exercise. I have never gotten back to my pre-pregnancy weight. Like I have said many times, I’m a tired mother. What is helping increase your drive to get up and go? Or not? Maybe, I should give up the caffeine, but then what?? Mel To email me remove "nocrap" from my email address.

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I agree with Gene and Annette on the stretching/yoga exercise. It’s very low-impact and doesn’t have to involve tying yourself into a pretzel (unless you’re into that sort of thing ; ) hehehe – sounds like it could have its merits! lol I went through a terrible bout of fatigue earlier this year. I was positively narcoleptic half the time. I don’t drink coffee – I’m hooked on diet sodas again – echh – so coffee just won’t quench my thirst. I was WAY too tired to exercise, so what Idid was change what I ate. I started eating a lot of brown rice, yogurt, pasta, fruit – and taking a vitamin supplement, and after a while of this it really helped me. I’m a strict vegetarian, so you could also throw in lean bits of chicken or something to make it more of a meal for you. After eating like this for a while and decreasing my weight, I felt well enough to start walking. : ) Good luck Mel, and just do what you can! That’s all anyone can ask, and demanding more of yourself will only make you feel bad – and there’s no need for that! Love, Parker

<"I have to force myself to do everything also, only way to do it as activity is about the best for anyone, IMHO. Go to your library and get a book on ’stretching exercises’, they are easy to do and can be done on the bed and they do relax you, and you also kill some time doing them. Just be careful and start off slowly and do the easy ones from the start. "

<" I would suggest trying yoga. I love it. It’s not strenuous and you feel incredibly invigorated afterward. It doesn’t cause anxiety like my stepper or aerobics. I first tried books but found to get the safest and proper pose instruction, pick up a video. I started with one by Lilia? Sorry, I can’t be more specific. The video by Kathy Smith called New Yoga is good. She does the pose at the advanced level and their are also examples of what to do if you are a beginner. Honestly, I’m still doing the beginner poses. They are just as good as the advanced ones." ***[That Lilias Yoga show still comes on PBS too, I believe.]

<"It seems like I’m always tired and fatigued. I really have to work hard at staying motivated. I force myself to do everything…. What is helping increase your drive to get up and go? " homepage link: http://profiles.yahoo.com/evenaive

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Mel, I have to tell you that I’ve only been drinking water for the past 2 months and just eating normal foods… Junk food too, but not as often…But even those diet soda’s like parker was saying , and any other crappy soda or stuff like that is terrible for your body… For like the last 8 years I have always felt like all I want to do is sleep, and getting up and doing things seemed to be so hard…. Water flushes everything out… And you need a good month or so of JUST water to see these results…I can go with just 5 hours of sleep a night now and feel good in the morning… Usually I would always have these highs and lows all day…Probably because all that sugar, sweetener crap that has been in my body for so long… But just drinking water and decent foods has helped me a ton….. Also , stay away from sugar….. I tested myself yesterday…. I ate a nice big dinner and then couldnt resist these chocolate chip cookies …After I ate them , I felt crappy and tired…… Also , I’m taking vitamin b12 , vitamin C , and folic acid…. I’m sure they also have a good effect on fatigue…..try it, I know its hard but it is the only thing that has ever worked for me….

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try to cut out the coffee too….thats another high and low……

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Mel, I am also very tired all the time, sometimes it even keeps me home from work. I was home yesterday on a vacation day and didn’t get up until 1:30 PM and that was because I had to! I could’ve slept all day with no problem. At work, I am always having to fight the incredible urge to go out to my car and take a nap. I exercise moderately every day, and take vitamin supplements, but it hasn’t helped me much. I’m thinking mine is the depression that accompanies my PD. I’ve never been through so much or been as depressed as I am at this time in my life. I separated from my husband a little over a year ago, and it has been a HARD one, and I just recently (within the last 3 months) changed meds from Prozac to Paxil (although the fatigue began long before that). I know I haven’t helped, I just wanted you know that you’re not alone. Michelle

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10 best things to say if you get caught sleeping

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Hi, I used Liquid Paper (White Out) for years while I worked as a secretary until that correcting ribbon and then computers were invented. Now my son uses it as a freshman in high school to correct errors on his papers. Thank goodness it’s water-based now! Mary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

LOL!!! White out is correction fluid that is used to correct typing mistakes. Some say it gets you high sort of like paint fumes. mary th Stephen George wrote: Mary wrote: 8. "Whew! Guess I left the top off the white-out…. you probably got here just in time." I don’t get number 8! Can someone please explain? (Isn’t a "white-out" a very heavy snowfall?) Steve

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LOL!!! White out is correction fluid that is used to correct typing mistakes. Some say it gets you high sort of like paint fumes. mary th – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Stephen George wrote:

Mary wrote: 8. "Whew! Guess I left the top off the white-out…. you probably got here just in time." I don’t get number 8! Can someone please explain? (Isn’t a "white-out" a very heavy snowfall?) Steve

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Mary wrote:

LOL!!! White out is correction fluid that is used to correct typing mistakes. Some say it gets you high sort of like paint fumes.

LOL! Sometimes I wonder about my brain. Like, for example, do I have one? I reckon it’s being English that does it. Anyway, that’s my excuse and I’m sticking to it! :) Kind regards, Steve

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also known as tippex. Brian In article <LXhE3.16075$1E2.118…@ozemail.com.au

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"Trevor Lampre" <tlam…@camtech.net.au

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news:7rs9be$2mf$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk… Mary wrote: 8. "Whew! Guess I left the top off the white-out…. you probably got here just in time." I don’t get number 8! Can someone please explain? (Isn’t a "white-out" a very heavy snowfall?) It might be called Liquid Paper in the UK, it is here in Oz but I’m

aware of

the American name too. You know, the smelly white stuff you paint

onto paper

to correct mistakes and contains a strong solvent. It was invented by Michael Nesmiths’ (of the Monkeys pop group fame) mother. Regards, Trevor

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(((LOL))) mary th – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Scott C." wrote:

x-no-archive: yes Haha Mary, good one !! We had to ban the good white-out in the prisons years ago…now we can only use the water-based variety and it works like cr*p…not to mention that I don’t smile as much when using it Take care, Scott Mary wrote: LOL!!! White out is correction fluid that is used to correct typing mistakes. Some say it gets you high sort of like paint fumes. mary th Stephen George wrote: Mary wrote: 8. "Whew! Guess I left the top off the white-out…. you probably got here just in time." I don’t get number 8! Can someone please explain? (Isn’t a "white-out" a very heavy snowfall?) Steve — *********************************************************************** To reply: Remove .nospam from the above. Scott C. @——-

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Trevor Lampre wrote:

It might be called Liquid Paper in the UK, it is here in Oz but I’m aware of the American name too. You know, the smelly white stuff you paint onto paper to correct mistakes and contains a strong solvent.

Thanks Trevor! In the UK it’s commonly known as Tippex. I don’t think that it’s an excuse for falling asleep that I’d want to use myself – your employer might leap to the incorrect conclusion that you were a solvents’ abuser!

It was invented by Michael Nesmiths’ (of the Monkeys pop group fame) mother.

Nice one – the score is now 1-1 on the trivia front! Regards, Steve

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Mary wrote:

8. "Whew! Guess I left the top off the white-out…. you probably got here just in time."

I don’t get number 8! Can someone please explain? (Isn’t a "white-out" a very heavy snowfall?) Steve

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Mary wrote: 8. "Whew! Guess I left the top off the white-out…. you probably got here just in time." I don’t get number 8! Can someone please explain? (Isn’t a "white-out" a very heavy snowfall?)

It might be called Liquid Paper in the UK, it is here in Oz but I’m aware of the American name too. You know, the smelly white stuff you paint onto paper to correct mistakes and contains a strong solvent. It was invented by Michael Nesmiths’ (of the Monkeys pop group fame) mother. Regards, Trevor

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10 best things to say if you get caught sleeping at your desk 10. " They told me at the blood bank this would happen." 9. "This is just a 15 minute power nap like they raved about in that time management course you sent me to." 8. "Whew! Guess I left the top off the white-out…. you probably got here just in time." 7. "I wasn’t sleeping. I was meditating on the mission statement and envisioning a new paradigm." 6. "I was testing my keyboard for drool resistance." 5. "I was doing a highly specific yoga exercise to relieve work-related stress. Are you discriminating against people who practice yoga?" 4. "Why did you interrupt me? I had almost figured out a solution to our company’s biggest problem." 3. "The coffee machine is broken…" 2. "Someone must’ve put decaf in the wrong pot…." And the #1 best thing to say if you get caught sleeping at your desk……. 1. "…..And, finally, let us pray for the future of our company. Amen."

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KB chassis support kit

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First, an update on the strut tower brace. The hood seems to close normally as long as I don’t drop it. If I lower it gently all the way, then push on the top to close it, it does fine. Ken, is this how you close your hood now? Ok, I’ve got the subframe connectors on my car. I sanded the rails last night, bolted them on while the car was on the ground (reminds me of yoga exercise), then took the car in this morning to get them welded in. Now I’m wondering if they can be used as supports for jackstands? Speaking of jackstands, where are safe places to jack my car up besides the notch by each wheel? The manual specifically says not to use the rear differential. Where are safe places to use jackstands? The subframes, the axles, what? And should I get a 4 ton floor jack? Now to the lower chassis brace. The KB instructions seem backwards. They seem to be saying that the long black bolts should be inserted into the short front mounting points, and the shorter bolts into the longer rear mounting points. I believe this is wrong. Also, what socket(s) do I need to remove the bar in front of the tranny? TIA. — Jonathan, ‘99 GT Best ET: 14.71 (sucks for my car) Best MPH: 95.87 Best RT: .476 (oh, you meant legal?) Best 60′: 2.2xx (ouch) Best finish: 1st (out of 32 in True Street) Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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I don’t know that answer to all your questions but I do know that you don’t want jack the car up on the subframes. You also do not want to support the car with the jack stands on the subframes. If you need an example just try it one time and watch as they start to bend / flex and you will get the idea. I would just jack it up on the points reccomnded by ford or by the rear axle. Just my two cents..:-) — Lynn (Houston TX) 97 Mustang GT (5-Speed) March Underdrive Pulleys Home Made Ram Air K&N Air Filter Mac Off-Road H-Pipe 2 Chamber FlowMasters BBK Upper Control Arms Motorsport SubFrames SVO 70MM Throttle Body Ported Mass Air Meter Kenne Bell Fan Switch / 180 Thermostat http://home.swbell.net/shelly1/cars.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First, an update on the strut tower brace. The hood seems to close normally as long as I don’t drop it. If I lower it gently all the way, then push on the top to close it, it does fine. Ken, is this how you close your hood now? Ok, I’ve got the subframe connectors on my car. I sanded the rails last night, bolted them on while the car was on the ground (reminds me of yoga exercise), then took the car in this morning to get them welded in. Now I’m wondering if they can be used as supports for jackstands? Speaking of jackstands, where are safe places to jack my car up besides the notch by each wheel? The manual specifically says not to use the rear differential. Where are safe places to use jackstands? The subframes, the axles, what? And should I get a 4 ton floor jack? Now to the lower chassis brace. The KB instructions seem backwards. They seem to be saying that the long black bolts should be inserted into the short front mounting points, and the shorter bolts into the longer rear mounting points. I believe this is wrong. Also, what socket(s) do I need to remove the bar in front of the tranny? TIA. — Jonathan, ‘99 GT Best ET: 14.71 (sucks for my car) Best MPH: 95.87 Best RT: .476 (oh, you meant legal?) Best 60′: 2.2xx (ouch) Best finish: 1st (out of 32 in True Street) Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Ok, I’ve got the subframe connectors on my car. I sanded the rails last night, bolted them on while the car was on the ground (reminds me of yoga exercise), then took the car in this morning to get them welded in. Now I’m wondering if they can be used as supports for jackstands?

I put jackstands under mine, *HOWEVER* I put the jackstands under the sections at the end of subframe connector, that is welded to the subframe. I do not put the jack stands under the center of the connectors, beneath the floorpans. I think this would be bad. Speaking of jackstands, where are safe places to jack my car up besides the notch by each wheel? The manual specifically says not to use the rear differential. Where are safe places to use jackstands? The subframes, the axles, what? And should I get a 4 ton floor jack?

Hmmm… The manual says don’t jack up the car using the differential housing? That’s where I always jack my car up at. As a matter of fact, that’s where I placed the jack on every rear drive car I have ever owned. I’ve been doing that for 13 years and never had a problem. Oh well, go by the manual I suppose. Might as well, since it’s a brand new car. Jared Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Hip pain…

Question:

Hip pain here, too. Thought it was an aging thing (and it may well be). Don’t notice it except at 2am-ish. I find that good old-fashioned hard narcotics work pretty well to get me through the night. Best regards, Meg

Gerry McCready wrote: Has anyone ever had an episode of hip pain and

dislocation related to their MS? I have just gone through 5 days of awful discomfort and don’t wish it on anyone. <

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Kathi Matthews wrote:

(major surgery performed)

Can you explain this standing wheelchair? I saw this incredible one on Dateline that actually *climbs stairs* — but there’s only ONE of them now

If anyone missed that when it was shown on tv, there’s a pic & small article about it in this month’s "We Magazine". It was developed by Johnson & Johnson, of all people! It’s pretty cool! Haven’t checked to see if they show it on their website, but you might check: http://www.wemagazine.com Lin ~~ You can tune a piano, but you can’t tuna fish ~~ My header never changes…..look carefully & don’t be fooled by forgeries!

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I have hip pain on my right side. It’s a deep burning pain that makes it difficult to sleep. I don’t know about the dislocation though, I think I would see my Dr. about that. Best of luck to you, barb

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On 18 Aug 1999 23:01:21 GMT, kamatth…@aol.com (Kathi Matthews) wrote:

First floors for me from now on! I now live on the first floor of what is called a "garden apt." (But there’s sure no room for gardens!) Kathi

Kathi, I had a garden apartment once with a little patio. Most of my gardens now are in pots on my deck. I’ve got a huge old geranium that lives inside in the winter and outside in the summer. It’s almost a tree. I also planted a spreading rose in a barrel this year which is lovely. I’ve got some small lilies in pots and pansies, as well as lots of geraniums and petunias. Kate

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Cleodemko wrote:

I suffer from horrible hip pain. My neuro says it’s from demylenation of the sciatic nerve. It’s always my right hip. It gets so painful sometimes, I can’t walk or even stand.

Rachelle OOPS! As one of my docs reminded me when I was having some back pain the other day, not everything is caused by MS. And sometimes it is a secondary MS symptom (Sx). It could be a disc problem in the spine, bursitis, arthritis of one sort or another, from walking *funny* and stressing the lower spine or leg joints and some other stuff. Reckon it’s time to see an orthopedic doc to have it checked out. There are seldom lesions on the sciatic nerve itself. Most of the sciatic nerve is outside the CNS and it’s usually considered a peripheral nerve. If there are lesions on peripheral nerves, it’s not MS but some other sort of demylinating disease. The nerves of the CNS and the peripheral nervous system communicate with each other to make your body work BUT the nerve cells are different and the myelin that coats the two kinds of nerves is different. You can get into researching this if you want but I don’t want to go into the complicated stuff here and I’m not sure I remember it all accurately anyhow. I don’t want to do the research so you can, if you have the interest in the technicalities. Sometimes docs will just tell you something plausable to pacify you. Don’t let them do that to you. Happens too often? Find a new doc. Educate yourself as much as possible. You don’t have to take a lot of technical courses to do it. There is a coloring book about the anatomy that is great for it’s pics. (if it’s still in print). Go to your library or local book store and get an anatomy book for teens if you haven’t done any study on this before. Get the rudiments so you can understand what the doc is telling you and when he/she is feeding you something to make you go away. L

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yes…i sure do understand…i have been suffering from the hip pain, and also that shooting burning leg pain..tried all the traditional treatments….recently my neur prescribed mexitil (oral drug), along with Lidocaine infusions….yea, a cardiac drug, with neurological effects….still have the pain occasionally, but able to function more effectively….i have to say, it did take my infusion company to provide up to date literature to my insurance company for approval, but after reading the lastest info on this therapy…they are now paying….i do feel for you, as only the people who experience this can understand this….i do wish you well….diane

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I too totally understand the hip pain. When I first experienced it I could barely walk. I went into the emergency room (where the dr. asked if I had been out rollerblading – my good laugh of the day!) He took X-rays and sent me home with pain meds. Two days later he called to say that the x-rays did show something abnormal and they wanted me to go in for a MRI of my hip. (what a long week that was not knowing ANYTHING) SO after the MRI I met with a highly recommended Orthopedic doctor. Her the MRI revealed that I had 3 holes in my left hip! Deterioration from all the steriods that I had been given to treat my MS exacerbations! My neuorologist had never mention this was a possible side effect. I have the pain under control with a drug called Ultram. Expensive, no side effects I can tell of and at least I can walk! But I can tell if I don’t take it regularily. The Orthopedic doctor has told me I will need a hip replacement eventually – basically when the drugs don’t take care of the pain. I’m putting this off as long as possible, I’m only 37 and have been told that it will need to be re-done in another 20 years. If I were you, DEFINATELY go see an orthopedic doctor, he’ll probably have more answers than your neorologist for this. At least you can get some answers, not knowing what your dealing with always seems to be more stressful than knowing. Best of luck! Let me know how your doing! Kelli

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My hips don’t hurt at all. As one of those who prefers natural methods (diet, colostrum, acupuncture, yoga, exercise, bee venom therapy, grape seed extract, pycnogenol, magnetic therapy, etc.), I say, "And you ‘anti-quacks’ think I’m crazy????"

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Beverley Flavell wrote:

I have had the worse pain in my left hip that I have ever had for the

last two days. I went to the emergency room and after x-rays and tests was told that I had a uti! I was shocked to say the least. I hadn’t had any burning, urgency, blood etc….just unbelievable pain in the hip to the point that I couldn’t walk. When I asked why this time was so different from other uti’s that I have had the doctor told me "different infections do different things." Does this make sense to anyone? I’d be very interested in learning if anyone else has had this happen to them.

Could be you just had the pain at the same time as the UTI. I just went through one (UTI) and had no pain but LOADS of blood in the urine. I can’t see it causing hip pain though. The bladder is in the centre of your body and if it was something like, say a kidney stone….believe you me that doesn’t feel anything like hip pain…had two kidney stone attacks and the UTI within 3 months of each other….kidney stone pain is comapared to the pain of a gun shot wound (got that description from a kidney stone prevention site). The pain is indescribable….thank the powers that be for morphine! I truly felt like I would die from the pain! Debbie in Canada ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Klement Family "Education is what survives when Darryl, Debbie,Kathleen, what has been learned has been Nathan & Samantha forgotten" e-mail klem…@icom.ca B.F. Skinner in "New Scientist". Canadian homeschool page: http://www.flora.org/homeschool-ca/ Ont. Federation of Teaching Parents: http://www.flora.org/oftp/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Kathi Matthews wrote:

In article <37BA8A0C.633D6…@worldnet.att.net, John <jvanV…@worldnet.att.net writes: Denise used to have hip pain. But now that she is able to stand and sit at will….she has a Permobil wheel chair….she no longer complains of pain in the hip. Can you explain this standing wheelchair?

(((((((((((((((SNIP)))))))))))))))

Kathi

Well Kathi, Denise’s Permobil is a front wheel drive power chair. It has motors that also allow her to stand, elevate in a sitting position, and recline. It is expensive when compared to aspirin, but cheap when compared to the cost of staying in a nursing home. This last cost comparisom is how we convinced the insurance people to pay for it. Permobil.com is the web site to visit if you want to see one. John the wheelchair advocate Denise the devotee

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Does it feel like it is running from your hip down into your thigh???? I’ve been having this lately and my legs in general have been doing very well lately so I couldn’t figure out was has bee the root cause. Debbie in Canada

Hi Debbie, It’s a sharp shooting pain from the hip straight down the leg. Do you know if you have any plaques in your spinal cord? That’s how we figured out what was causing my hip pain. Rachelle

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I have hip pain that’s been there for years. It stops me walking sometimes, and I can’t lie on that side. Doctors can’t find an explanation. Recently it’s been much worse than usual, following a cystoscopy that revealed a lot of bladder inflammation, that was diagnosed as interstitial cystitis – an autoimmune condition. The Doc said my increased pain could have been due to the hard operating table. But after reading your post, I wonder if it might be caused by the bladder inflammation itself. It has always felt to me like pressure from inside my abdomen. It feels now like a torn muscle in there. Carmel Beverley Flavell wrote:

I have had the worse pain in my left hip that I have ever had for the last two days. I went to the emergency room and after x-rays and tests was told that I had a uti! I was shocked to say the least. I hadn’t had any burning, urgency, blood etc….just unbelievable pain in the hip to the point that I couldn’t walk. When I asked why this time was so different from other uti’s that I have had the doctor told me "different infections do different things." Does this make sense to anyone? I’d be very interested in learning if anyone else has had this happen to them.

— " Don’t wait for a light to appear at the end of the tunnel. Stride down there and light the bloody thing yourself."

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In article <37BC6069….@icom.ca

, D Klement <klem…@icom.ca writes: My neuro says it’s from demylenation of the sciatic nerve. It’s always my right hip. It gets so painful sometimes, I can’t walk or even stand. Rachelle Does it feel like it is running from your hip down into your thigh????

Mine wasn’t ever really in my hip, just my leg. I woke up in the middle of the night and thought the bed was on fire and my leg was actually burning. Now this is the really bizarre part to me…you can’t feel them to get them to behave properly…but you can feel pain in them that originates elsewhere. Mine also is from demylenation, and if I don’t take the meds for a few days I can see it is progressing further down my leg. I don’t just stop taking my meds as a general rule…but had the flu so couldn’t take them for a week or so. Margaret "You are braver than you believe, and stronger than you seem, and smarter than you think." Christopher Robin to Pooh in "Pooh’s Grand Adventure" to reply directly to me remove nojunk from my email address

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Has anyone ever had an episode of hip pain and dislocation related to their MS? I have just gone through 5 days of awful discomfort and don’t wish it on anyone.

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Gerry McCready wrote:

Has anyone ever had an episode of hip pain and dislocation related to their MS? I have just gone through 5 days of awful discomfort and don’t wish it on anyone.

Denise used to have hip pain. But now that she is able to stand and sit at will….she has a Permobil wheel chair….she no longer complains of pain in the hip. In fact the only pain she complains about is the pain in her neck, and that would be me. Hope this helps. Remember the human body is meant to move. John the houseboy

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In article <37BA8A0C.633D6…@worldnet.att.net

, John

<jvanV…@worldnet.att.net

writes: Denise used to have hip pain. But now that she is able to stand and sit at will….she has a Permobil wheel chair….she no longer complains of pain in the hip.

Can you explain this standing wheelchair? I saw this incredible one on Dateline that actually *climbs stairs* — but there’s only ONE of them now, and the cost when it eventually comes out will be around $20,000. I guess it would better than having to move from a two-story house you been in forever, I don’t know. In my old house, in Boston (Cambridge), I could not go upstairs at all the last six months I lived there! First floors for me from now on! I now live on the first floor of what is called a "garden apt." (But there’s sure no room for gardens!) Kathi

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I suffer from horrible hip pain. My neuro says it’s from demylenation of the sciatic nerve. It’s always my right hip. It gets so painful sometimes, I can’t walk or even stand. Rachelle

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In a message dated 08/18/1999 9:38:21 AM Central Daylight Time, gmcc…@KOS.NET writes:

<< Has anyone ever had an episode of hip pain and dislocation related to their MS?

I have had hip pain and feel it is due to too much steroids, solu-medral in particular. The last time I had solu-medral was july ‘94 1 month after I had my right hip pinned after falling and fx it. The hip bone died ( avascular necrosis) and I had to have a total hip 6 mo.later. After my solu-medral tx, my left hip became very painful, as did both my shoulders. I still have left hip,pain from time to time. Avascular necrosis of hip and shoulder joints can be a complication of solu-medral tx. and I will never again use it. Edee

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Gerry McCready wrote: Has anyone ever had an episode of hip pain and dislocation related to their MS? I have just gone through 5 days of awful discomfort and don’t wish it on anyone. Not dislocation, but I do have hip pain a lot. It makes it very difficult to get comfortable to sleep. Michele

My experience: I finally went to my P.C. Dr. who said it was trochanteric bursitis. I am on Naproxen till 9/14 and, if at that time, not better I will get a cortisone shot. I was like you, Michele, difficult to sleep, also my left leg not working well. As of this writing, leg moving better; pain diminishing; even pain in back of thigh. Janet Hrabak #180

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I didn’t see the original post, but someone wrote:

<< Has anyone ever had an episode of hip pain and dislocation related to their MS?

I thought I was having hip pain from the MS, as I also have chronic nerve pain in that leg…but it turned out to be osteoarthritis in my back. The pain just felt like it was in my hip. Margaret "You are braver than you believe, and stronger than you seem, and smarter than you think." Christopher Robin to Pooh in "Pooh’s Grand Adventure" to reply directly to me remove nojunk from my email address

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Gerry McCready <gmcc…@KOS.NET

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Has anyone ever had an episode of hip pain and dislocation related to

their

MS? I have had the worse pain in my left hip that I have ever had for the

last two days. I went to the emergency room and after x-rays and tests was told that I had a uti! I was shocked to say the least. I hadn’t had any burning, urgency, blood etc….just unbelievable pain in the hip to the point that I couldn’t walk. When I asked why this time was so different from other uti’s that I have had the doctor told me "different infections do different things." Does this make sense to anyone? I’d be very interested in learning if anyone else has had this happen to them.

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It hurts much more when I stand or try to walk, although the pain is now running down my leg as I sit typing. I try to deal with it by stretching and/or water exercise, but it doesn’t seem to help. Kate

Yep, that’s it. Once it starts hurting, there’s nothing I can do for it. Even sitting or laying down hurts. It’s difficult to treat nerve pain. I haven’t found anything that works yet. Let me know if you do. Rachelle

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Cleodemko wrote:

I suffer from horrible hip pain. My neuro says it’s from demylenation of the sciatic nerve. It’s always my right hip. It gets so painful sometimes, I can’t walk or even stand. Rachelle

Does it feel like it is running from your hip down into your thigh???? I’ve been having this lately and my legs in general have been doing very well lately so I couldn’t figure out was has bee the root cause. Debbie in Canada — ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Klement Family "Education is what survives when Darryl, Debbie,Kathleen, what has been learned has been Nathan & Samantha forgotten" e-mail klem…@icom.ca B.F. Skinner in "New Scientist". Canadian homeschool page: http://www.flora.org/homeschool-ca/ Ont. Federation of Teaching Parents: http://www.flora.org/oftp/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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On 18 Aug 1999 23:08:18 GMT, cleode…@aol.com (Cleodemko) wrote:

I suffer from horrible hip pain. My neuro says it’s from demylenation of the sciatic nerve. It’s always my right hip. It gets so painful sometimes, I can’t walk or even stand.

Rachelle, For years I’ve blamed the severe pain I have just at the top of my left hip (for a while it was the right one) on muscles that were weak in my legs and trunk causing me to wobble unsteadily and hurt my back. Now I wonder if your neuro hasn’t got something there. It hurts much more when I stand or try to walk, although the pain is now running down my leg as I sit typing. I try to deal with it by stretching and/or water exercise, but it doesn’t seem to help. Kate

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Kathi, They have a mass produced (non power) standing wheelchair. I don’t think it’s real expensive. It’s called the Levo LAE Stand-Up Wheelchair. It’s from: Levo USA, Inc.; PO Box 3869; Peachtree City, GA 30269-7869; Toll Free Phone-1-888-538-6872; Fax-1-770-486-6096; Website http://www.levo.ch E-mail jamespa…@msn.com I saw a ad for it in MS Focus which is put out by the MSF-Multiple Sclerosis Foundation Kip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Kathi Matthews wrote:

In article <37BA8A0C.633D6…@worldnet.att.net, John <jvanV…@worldnet.att.net writes: Denise used to have hip pain. But now that she is able to stand and sit at will….she has a Permobil wheel chair….she no longer complains of pain in the hip. Can you explain this standing wheelchair? I saw this incredible one on Dateline that actually *climbs stairs* — but there’s only ONE of them now, and the cost when it eventually comes out will be around $20,000. I guess it would better than having to move from a two-story house you been in forever, I don’t know. In my old house, in Boston (Cambridge), I could not go upstairs at all the last six months I lived there! First floors for me from now on! I now live on the first floor of what is called a "garden apt." (But there’s sure no room for gardens!) Kathi

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GUY What, no wine cellar? Just joking Ps Keep a case under the bed

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So far, I’m getting a real kick outta all of these! Keep ‘em coming! -G roflmao

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For everyone fighting Exhaustion Best excuses if you get caught sleeping at your desk: 1. "They told me at the blood bank this might happen." 2. "This is just a 15 minute power-nap like they raved about in the last time management course you sent me to." 3. "Whew! Guess I left the top off the liquid paper" 4. "I wasn’t sleeping! I was meditating on the mission statement and envisioning a new paradigm!" 5. "This is one of the seven habits of highly effective people !" 6. "I was testing the keyboard for drool resistance" 7. "Actually doing a "Stress Level Elimination Exercise Plan" (SLEEP) you learned at the last mandatory seminar your boss made you attend. 8. "I was doing a highly specific Yoga exercise to relieve work-related stress. Are you discriminatory towards people who practice Yoga?" 9. "Darn! Why did you interrupt me? I had almost figured out a solution to our biggest problem." 10. "The coffee machine is broke…." 11. "Someone must’ve put decaf in the wrong pot." 12. "Boy, that cold medicine I took last night just won’t wear off!" 13. "Ah, the unique and unpredictable circadian rhythms of the workaholic!" 14. "Wasn’t sleeping. Was trying to pick up contact lens without hands."

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A newly married man asks his wife, "Would you have married me if my father hadn’t left me a fortune?" "Darling," the woman replies sweetly," I’d have married you no matter who left you a fortune." A guy in a bar leans over to the guy next to him and says, "Wanna hear a Polish joke?" The guy next to him replies, "Well, before you tell that joke, you should know something. I’m 6′ tall, 200 lbs, and I’m Polish. The guy sitting next to me is 6′2" tall, weighs 225, and he’s Polish. The fella next to him is 6′5" tall, weighs 250, and he’s Polish. Now, you still wanna tell that joke?" The first guy says, "Nah, not if I’m gonna have to explain it three times!" Note: Before you e-mail saying that the Polish joke was in bad taste — read the joke again. It’s target is the personal telling the joke, *not* the polish men at the bar. Just cma. Mary (QoOTBS)

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Guy..a man after my own heart…..(but alas another maiden falls….to your charm) Out of wine??..Out of wine?? That would be cause for alarm… Im just thankfull it doesnt..(wine) trigger outbreaks..

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yep yep yep…….keep em coming! oh yeah, if a cannibal eats a clown, does it taste funny?

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writes: Not humor this time folks, just something I did today that brought me back to my (misguided?) youth. I mopped the kitchen floor, then realized that I forgot to get a drink for myself. As thirsty as all get out, I went into the bathroom, turned on the tap, and drank straight from the faucet. I don’t think I’ve done that since I was thirteen. Just felt like sharing.

Thanks for sharing, Mary!!! (????) Imagine… not having a cup in the bathroom! Honestly! Who sets up these houses to be lived in, anyway?? A worse scenario is to fix a delightful repast and discover you’re out of good wine. Now there! There is cause for alarm!!!!! -G ;-)

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Not humor this time folks, just something I did today that brought me back to my (misguided?) youth. I mopped the kitchen floor, then realized that I forgot to get a drink for myself. As thirsty as all get out, I went into the bathroom, turned on the tap, and drank straight from the faucet. I don’t think I’ve done that since I was thirteen. Just felt like sharing. Mary QoOTBS

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I *love* that stuff!!! LOLSTC April

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Top Ten Things That Sound Dirty At The Office But Aren’t: 10. I need to whip it out by 5. 9. Mind if I use your laptop? 8. Just stick it in my box. 7. If I have to lick one more, I’ll gag! 6. I want it on my desk, NOW!!! 5. HMMMMMMMM….I think it’s out of fluid! 4. My equipment is so old, it takes forever to finish. 3. It’s an entry-level position. 2. When do you think you’ll be getting off today? 1. It’s not fair…I do all the work while he just sits there! Mary QoOTBS

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Some more of the garbage that my sister sends to me (does anyone else think that most of these should be attributed to Steven Wright?) ONE LINERS I used to work in a fire hydrant factory. You couldn’t park anywhere near the place. I stayed up all night playing poker with tarot cards. I got a full house and four people died. Last week, I went to a furniture store to look for a decaffeinated coffee table. When I get real bored, I like to drive downtown and get a great parking spot, then sit in my car and count how many people ask if I’m leaving. When I was a kid, I bought some batteries, but they weren’t included. So I had to buy them again. For my birthday I got a humidifier and a dehumidifier. I put them in the same room and let them fight it out. I have a switch in my apartment that doesn’t do anything. Every once in a while I turn it on and off. One day I got a call from a woman in France who said, "Cut it out!" I replaced the headlights on my car with strobe lights. Now it looks like I’m the only one moving. I wrote a song, but I can’t read music. Now, every time I hear a new song on the radio, I think "Hey, maybe I wrote that." I went to a general store, they wouldn’t let me buy anything specific. I turned my air conditioner the other way around, and it got cold out. The weatherman said, "I don’t understand it. It was supposed to be 80 degrees out today. I put contact lenses in my dog’s eyes. They had little pictures of cats on them. Then I took one out and he ran around in circles. I spilled Spot remover on my dog. Now he’s gone. My neighbor has a circular driveway. He can’t get out. I bought some powdered water, but I didn’t know what to add. I put instant coffee in a microwave and almost went back in time. I have an answering machine in my car. It says, "I’m home now, but leave a message and I’ll call when I’m out." I bought a house on a one-way dead-end road. I don’t know how I got there. A friend of mine is into Voodoo Acupuncture. You don’t have to go. You’ll just be walking down the street and…oohh, that’s much better. I have a hobby. I have the world’s largest collection of sea shells. I keep it scattered on beaches all over the world. Maybe you’ve seen some of it. I Xeroxed a mirror. Now I have an extra Xerox machine. Last week I forgot how to ride a bicycle. My school colors were clear. I stayed in a really old hotel last night. They sent me a wakeup letter. I’m taking La Maze classes. I’m not having a baby, I’m just having trouble breathing. When I was in high school, I got in trouble with my girlfriend’s Dad. He said, "I want my daughter back by 8:15." I said, "the middle of August?" My girlfriend’s weird. One day she asked me, "If you could know how and when you were going to die, would you want to know?" I said, "No." She said, "Okay, forget it." I went for a walk last night and she asked me how long I was going to be gone. I said, "The whole time." My buddy got busted for counterfeiting. He was making pennies. They caught him because he was putting the heads and tails on the wrong sides. He’s in a minimum security prison now; he’s on a whiffle-ball and chain. Hermits have no peer pressure. Whenever I think of the past, it brings back so many memories There’s a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot. How much deeper would the ocean be if sponges didn’t live there? Did Washington just flash a quarter for his ID? I just got skylights put in my place. The people who live above me are furious. Imagine if birds were tickled by feathers… I remember when the candle shop burned down. Everyone stood around singing "Happy Birthday". I accidentally installed the deer whistles on my car backwards. Now everywhere I go, I’m chased by a herd of deer. I got stopped by a cop the other day. He said, "Why’d you run that stop sign?" I said, "Because I don’t believe everything I read." It doesn’t matter what temperature a room is, it’s always room temperature. Yesterday, my eyeglass prescription ran out. I was hitchhiking the other day, and a hearse stopped. I said, "No thanks – I’m not going that far." I played a blank tape on full volume. The mime who lived next door complained. So I shot him with a gun with a silencer. I’m a peripheral visionary. I make my own water – two glasses of H, one glass of O. Ballerinas are always on their toes. Why don’t they just get taller ballerinas? The other day, I went to a tourist information booth and asked, "Tell me about some of the people who were here last year." What a nice night for an evening. Why in a country of free speech, are there phone bills? When a man talks dirty to a woman, it’s sexual harassment. When a woman talks dirty to a man, it’s $3.95 a minute. I do what my Rice Krispies tell me to do. Before they invented drawing boards, what did they go back to? Does the Little Mermaid wear an algebra? Do infants enjoy infancy as much as adults enjoy adultery? How do I set my laser printer on stun? How is it possible to have a civil war? If all the world is a stage, where is the audience sitting? If God dropped acid, would he see people? If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? If one synchronized swimmer drowns, do the rest have to drown too? If the #2 pencil is the most popular, why is it still #2? If work is so terrific, how come they have to pay you to do it? If you’re born again, do you have two bellybuttons? If you ate pasta and antipasta, would you still be hungry? If you try to fail, and succeed, which have you done? Is a castrated pig disgruntled? Why are hemorrhoids called "hemorrhoids" instead of "asteroids"? Why is it called tourist season if we can’t shoot at them? Why is the alphabet in that order? Is it because of that song? What happens when none of your bees wax? Where are we going? And what’s with this handbasket? Mary, QoOTBS

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ROFLAO!!!! That’s so *cruel*…I *love* it!!!! HUG – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hercules, Snow White and Quasi Moto were all having lunch together. Hercules said, "I have always thought that I’m the strongest man in the world, but how can I be sure?" Snow White agreed. "I’m told I’m the fairest of them all, but sometimes wonder." Quasi Moto said, "I’m pretty sure I’m the ugliest human alive but I’ve never had it confirmed." They all decided that the best way to find out if their beliefs were true was to pray about it that night and ask God to confirm for them whether Hercules was the strongest, Snow White was the fairest and Quasi Moto was the ugliest. They agreed to meet again the next day for lunch to discuss their findings. The next day Hercules walked up with a smile. "Well, it’s true. God told me that I am the strongest man in the world." Snow White perked up and said, "And I now know for sure that I’m the fairest, for God confirmed it." But Quasi Moto lifted his sad face and said, "Who the heck is Linda Tripp?" Typing With One Hand, Mary Elizabeth Dana (5-3-95) Jennifer Nicole (9-21-97) John Carlon (2/15/99)

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ROFLOL. I will be sure to e-mail this to Linda Tripp. :) Hmm, now I just got to figure out what her e-mail address is….I think it is

Hercules, Snow White and Quasi Moto were all having lunch together. Hercules said, "I have always thought that I’m the strongest man in the world, but how can I be sure?" Snow White agreed. "I’m told I’m the fairest of them all, but sometimes wonder." Quasi Moto said, "I’m pretty sure I’m the ugliest human alive but I’ve never had it confirmed." They all decided that the best way to find out if their beliefs were true was to pray about it that night and ask God to confirm for them whether Hercules was the strongest, Snow White was the fairest and Quasi Moto was the ugliest. They agreed to meet again the next day for lunch to discuss their findings. The next day Hercules walked up with a smile. "Well, it’s true. God told me that I am the strongest man in the world." Snow White perked up and said, "And I now know for sure that I’m the fairest, for God confirmed it." But Quasi Moto lifted his sad face and said, "Who the heck is Linda Tripp?" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Typing With One Hand, Mary Elizabeth Dana (5-3-95) Jennifer Nicole (9-21-97) John Carlon (2/15/99)

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LOL HUG, April – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ROFLOL. I will be sure to e-mail this to Linda Tripp. :) Hmm, now I just got to figure out what her e-mail address is….I think it is Hercules, Snow White and Quasi Moto were all having lunch together. Hercules said, "I have always thought that I’m the strongest man in the world, but how can I be sure?" Snow White agreed. "I’m told I’m the fairest of them all, but sometimes wonder." Quasi Moto said, "I’m pretty sure I’m the ugliest human alive but I’ve never had it confirmed." They all decided that the best way to find out if their beliefs were true was to pray about it that night and ask God to confirm for them whether Hercules was the strongest, Snow White was the fairest and Quasi Moto was the ugliest. They agreed to meet again the next day for lunch to discuss their findings. The next day Hercules walked up with a smile. "Well, it’s true. God told me that I am the strongest man in the world." Snow White perked up and said, "And I now know for sure that I’m the fairest, for God confirmed it." But Quasi Moto lifted his sad face and said, "Who the heck is Linda Tripp?" Typing With One Hand, Mary Elizabeth Dana (5-3-95) Jennifer Nicole (9-21-97) John Carlon (2/15/99)

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Hercules, Snow White and Quasi Moto were all having lunch together. Hercules said, "I have always thought that I’m the strongest man in the world, but how can I be sure?" Snow White agreed. "I’m told I’m the fairest of them all, but sometimes wonder." Quasi Moto said, "I’m pretty sure I’m the ugliest human alive but I’ve never had it confirmed." They all decided that the best way to find out if their beliefs were true was to pray about it that night and ask God to confirm for them whether Hercules was the strongest, Snow White was the fairest and Quasi Moto was the ugliest. They agreed to meet again the next day for lunch to discuss their findings. The next day Hercules walked up with a smile. "Well, it’s true. God told me that I am the strongest man in the world." Snow White perked up and said, "And I now know for sure that I’m the fairest, for God confirmed it." But Quasi Moto lifted his sad face and said, "Who the heck is Linda Tripp?" Typing With One Hand, Mary Elizabeth Dana (5-3-95) Jennifer Nicole (9-21-97) John Carlon (2/15/99)

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