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find out the species of the wood; it may be the drink could cause asthma or an allergic response in a susceptible person. woods are not always benign. taxol for instance is a highly toxic product derived from the yew bark. even if a wood has medicinal uses dosages can be difficult to ascertain. treat these with as much respect as any drug, including being aware of potential adverse responses.

i agree with melynda – though on the insert i don’t remember seeing any contraindications for use – for myself anyway. even with something that people consider relatively benign like yoga asanas – which i do as warm-up flexibility exercises – – i was surprized to discover how many were contraindicated for people with hypertension and heart disease and there was a breathing exercise that was not to be done by diabetics – have no idea of the physiology behind these. if i started doing research on diabetes i would have no time left to do research for my job that’s why i love this group udita — Udita Taneja, Ph.D.                             phone: (507)-284-9640 Research Fellow                                   fax: (507)-284-1632 Medical Sciences Building, 2-145 Mayo Clinic and Foundation Rochester, MN 55905

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Actually the complete name was "Syzygium jamb" – the "jamb" sounds like Hindi to me though since i haven’t a Hindi or Sanskrit dictionary handy I have no idea what exactly it means. The whole word might not even be derived from any European language roots – just thought I would throw that in Udita ps I need to bring the package insert to work so I can post the composition of the wooden glass – tomorrow.

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writes: bottled as the homeopathic medicine "Syzygium" and That sounds like a made-up word!  "There are two ingredients working together, so we’ll call it something like ’syzygy’…"

That’s preposterous! Syzygium is a *well-known* homoeopathic remedy. Why, oh why do people make a virtue of ignorance? [snip] — IT Project Specialist      Ideas for hire.

–                     "Je dis ce que je pense et je pense ce que je dis"

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find out the species of the wood; it may be the drink could cause asthma or anallergic response in a susceptible person. woods are not always benign. taxolfor instance is a highly toxic product derived from the yew bark. even if awood has medicinal uses dosages can be difficult to ascertain. treat these withas much respect as any drug, including being aware of potential adverseresponses.

But please remember that aspirin has its origins in willow bark. Peg Shambo I’m an American.    I live in England, which is in the United Kingdom. Is there anyone out there from Davenport, Iowa?

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I suspect you’re thinking of "synergy."  "Syzygy" is when three bodies in a gravitational system line up (e.g., during an eclipse).

No, I’m not.  I’m think of the *other*, less specialised and original definition of "syzygy":         "Syzygy (n) Pair of connected or correlated things"                                       (ref: OED 6th edition)         (from the Greek "suzogos" – yoked, paired – probably by         way of the Latin "suzugia") Whereas "synergy" (commonly used in describing the action of drugs, so I can see where you might have made your mistake) derives from the Greek "syn-ergos", loosely  "working together".  Similar, but subtly different. — IT Project Specialist      Ideas for hire.

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That’s preposterous! Syzygium is a *well-known* homoeopathic remedy. Why, oh why do people make a virtue of ignorance?

I cast no aspersion upon the remedy at all.  I merely remarked that the *word* sounded distinctly "made up".   But, then, so are most brand-names. That doesn’t make then any less known.   Why, oh, why do people couch opinion within insult? — IT Project Specialist      Ideas for hire.

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= = bottled as the homeopathic medicine "Syzygium" and = =That sounds like a made-up word!  "There are two ingredients working =together, so we’ll call it something like ’syzygy’…" I suspect you’re thinking of "synergy."  "Syzygy" is when three bodies in a gravitational system line up (e.g., during an eclipse). I  try  very  hard  to say exactly what I mean.  I’d appreciate it if you’d bear that in mind and not try to "interpret"  my  posts  to  fit  your  own preconceived notions if I’m posting in a serious thread.  Remember:  If you throw a strawman into a heated debate, flames are likely to be the result.

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bottled as the homeopathic medicine "Syzygium" and

That sounds like a made-up word!  "There are two ingredients working together, so we’ll call it something like ’syzygy’…" if someone really cares i have the package insert from the wooden glass that has the biological name for the wood though the translation of the directions for use leave much to be desired – could email or post it.

I’d be interested in knowing what the cup’s made of! — IT Project Specialist      Ideas for hire.

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guess i am brave enough to drink weird red/brown water out of a wooden cup but then i grew up in the country where this came from i have been taking homeopathic and ayurvedic medicines for the past couple of months in a last ditch attempt at staying off insulin. will find out whether they really work when i go for the ha1c test in september though i have noticed a drop in my fasting glucose levels from an average of 120 to about 100. (none of this is being done in a very scientific manner and i am being the first one to admit it) other than the water from this glass – which you are supposed to drink twice a day but i only drink it at night – have to admit the last thing i want to drink when i wake up is mildly weird tasting  and definitely strange looking water – i have been taking an extract of "jamun" which is also supposed to help in niddm – have no idea of the english word for this – is a purple astringent berry that grows on trees and is a common tree in north india. this extract comes bottled as the homeopathic medicine "Syzygium" and the bottle says "made in germany" if that makes eurocentric people more comfortable don’t know where you could get it in the states though i would like to find out since right now my mom keeps sending packages with people. if someone really cares i have the package insert from the wooden glass that has the biological name for the wood though the translation of the directions for use leave much to be desired – could email or post it. well i am waiting to find out what happens with the ha1c or whether its going to be good old insulin udita — Udita Taneja, Ph.D.                             phone: (507)-284-9640 Research Fellow                                   fax: (507)-284-1632 Medical Sciences Building, 2-145 Mayo Clinic and Foundation Rochester, MN 55905

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Should I ingest this magic potion?

I think I’d prefer to know what’s in it, first! (But, then, I’m a cynical old engineer who likes to take things apart.) There *are* a number of vegetable-derived materials which will make a difference to your blood chemistry – Karela juice has been shown to improve glucose tolerance, for instance – but I think I’d be inclined to consult with your diabetic specialist first, and make efforts to find out just what the cup is made from.  Your specialist may be interested in learning more, too! It’s quite possible that the wood of the cup contains some kind of naturally occurring hypoglycaemic but, as an insulin-dependent diabetic, you need   to be very careful of the *amount* of any such substance that you ingest, otherwise your control could be wrecked.  Tight diabetic control requires more accuracy than "some water" steeped in "some wood".  Like it or not, as an IDDM sufferer, you’re in a delicate balance, and your target is to keep it that way… If you find out any more, would you post your findings here?  I, for one, am fascinated…. regards, IanP — IT Project Specialist      Ideas for hire.

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This Ayurvedic regimen calls for one to put water in the glass before bed, then drink it the following morning upon waking. I’ve not drank it yet, but I have noticed that the water turns a putred brown after sitting there for the night. …. Anyone ever hear of this? Does it help? Should I ingest this magic potion? guess I would at least try to find out what kind of wood the cup is made of first.

in a book on the hazards of artists materials, full title below, dr. michael mccann lists in table 11.2 the hazards of wood dusts. it is critical to comprehend that some woods can be quite toxic. for example, ipe from which the herb pau d’arco is taken can cause head-aches, respiratory irritation, drowsiness, weakness, heart irregularities, and even a few fatalities when inhaled. find out the species of the wood; it may be the drink could cause asthma or an allergic response in a susceptible person. woods are not always benign. taxol for instance is a highly toxic product derived from the yew bark. even if a wood has medicinal uses dosages can be difficult to ascertain. treat these with as much respect as any drug, including being aware of potential adverse responses. Artist Beware by Michael McCann, Ph.D. c.1979 by Watson-Guptill Publications pages 260-265      a more recent edition was published in the early nineties; my page      numbers are from the first edition. for those who are working with artists’      materials this manual can show how to work with toxic materials or how      to substitute less toxic ones without compromising the integrity of the art      or the health of the fabricator. it reads a lot like a physicians desk      reference.                  melynda p.s. yes i realise that my table lists dangers from inhalation and that compounds      soluble in water may have different properties from aerosols but it provides      a readily available first resource from which to learn further. melynda reid   who wears hats but does not type caps   snail: p o box 378 greensboro, florida 32330

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My wife’s father, from India, has a mild case of Adult-Onset diabetes. I am   an insulin-dependent diabetic. He has recently given me a cup, made of wood, which he claims has some effect in controlling diabetes. This Ayurvedic regimen calls for one to put water in the glass before bed, then drink it the following morning upon waking. I’ve not drank it yet, but I have noticed that the water turns a putred brown after sitting there for the night. He does not claim that the cup has any *cure* effect, just that it happens to help in stabilizing blood sugars. Anyone ever hear of this? Does it help? Should I ingest this magic potion?

Well, is the cup made of clay/mud? That may explain the strange colour. Clay will leach into the water in small amounts. It used to be the only way i could drink water in india, when it was flavored with the mineral/whatever contents of the clay water jugs from my grandmother’s house. It certainly wont kill you, and may have something like all the strange minerals/herbs/vitamins everyone seems to take here in the US. But if the colour puts you off, certainly don’t try it. Part of ayurvedic healing (as far as I know) is that you have to believe in it as well as use it. Or it wont work. Gayathri

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It is definitely leaching something out of the wood.  Also, was there any mention of how long this cup would last? Jeff McSpadden

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This Ayurvedic regimen calls for one to put water in the glass before bed, then drink it the following morning upon waking. I’ve not drank it yet, but I have noticed that the water turns a putred brown after sitting there for the night. …. Anyone ever hear of this? Does it help? Should I ingest this magic potion?

I will admit to using ayurvedic herbs, exercise etc to help with complications of diabetes, but even I, I am quite sure, would not be able to bring myself to try putrid brown stuff out of a cup of unknown origins! Makes me feel kind of nauseated just to think about it…  If you are brave enough to try it, let us know what happens. I assume it’s not immediately lethal since your father-in-law is still alive.  I guess I would at least try to find out what kind of wood the cup is made of first. Jan, who is pretty brave but not *that* brave

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My wife’s father, from India, has a mild case of Adult-Onset diabetes. I am   an insulin-dependent diabetic. He has recently given me a cup, made of wood, which he claims has some effect in controlling diabetes. This Ayurvedic regimen calls for one to put water in the glass before bed, then drink it the following morning upon waking. I’ve not drank it yet, but I have noticed that the water turns a putred brown after sitting there for the night. He does not claim that the cup has any *cure* effect, just that it happens to help in stabilizing blood sugars. Anyone ever hear of this? Does it help? Should I ingest this magic potion? Michael Runge // Help Desk Consultant // Western Michigan Univ.              No tolerance for the intolerant!

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