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Ok (provoking me) more specific….. (let’s see) the moon is always a lady and the sun is always a gentleman (in other way) energy from the left side is more light and fresh (let’s say like in heaven…) energy from the right side is like fire when is moving! But it should move otherwise it gets blocked, and we can’t move our right side of our body. (just like men…) The better way to deal with it is the vinyasa or the ashtanga method (go with the flow…, and fly…., and get refreshed and released….) And the alternate breathing does a great job (as a complement) Moon

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Yes Moon, What you are saying makes a sense.To me that is it! Thanks a lot, it could not be explained better than yours. With compassion, Puma

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Sounds rather Ogdan Nashish to me! — Namaste Dave

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Laura wrote:

I have a manual peddler I bought from carol Wright gifts for about 12 dollars (US).  You can set the tension on it to make it easier or harder to pedal.  I will post info on ordering one when I get a

catalog

next.   I get one every month or so… I like looking at all of the cheesy cheap crap! LOL  It annoys my husband to see me panting

over

them and wanting to buy some useless piece of what he knows will be crap..

thanks, laura. the dr. leonard’s website had a link to ‘carol wright gifts’ on site. maybe the 2 of them together have the affordable/cheezy adaptive stuff market sewn up!  ;-

it looks like there’s a ton of stuff around here and there — i wonder why my google search missed what looks like the good stuff. maybe i’m getting worse at figuring out the best search terms to use… thanks again! rose

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I do not know how helpful this device would be, but it certainly

seems

to be reasonably priced.  I do not see it on the current website,but

it

was in the newest catalogue I received in the mail a couple days ago. It is an electric powered exercise machine designed for use with legs when sitting in a wheelchair or put on the table to exercise one’s

arms.

It looked very compact and small and retailed for around $150. I

suspect

it was designed more to keep our range of motion instead of providing any resistance. I have dealt with the company for numerous years http://www.rolli-moden.com/index.html

thanks very much, larry! they’ve got what sounds like a really good leg-only pedaler available currently for $179. and they’re right here locally, which makes things a snap. ask and ye shall receive, huh?  :-

thanks again, rose

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yep, that is it.  you need to have some strength/control of your legs – when my legs were really weak and bad it was of little good – too light and hard to keep in one spot.  But to get a little exercise/movement it is helpful.  The one the other person posted about looks more like the heavy duty ones they had in  rehab that I used and others in wheelchairs used.  they are nice too, if I wasn’t so I to the cheap and cheesy stuff (grin) I might spend some money on one!! — Laura "KKT" <sendme.nos…@hotpop.com

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Laura wrote: I have a manual peddler I bought from carol Wright gifts for about 12 dollars (US).  You can set the tension on it to make it easier or harder to pedal.  I will post info on ordering one when I get a catalog next.   I get one every month or so… I like looking at all of the cheesy cheap crap! LOL  It annoys my husband to see me panting over them and wanting to buy some useless piece of what he knows will be crap.. Is it this? http://tinyurl.com/avzqr Kathie PS: Yup. Cheesy, cheap crap … I read ‘em, too.

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eww.. Dr Leonard’s is my other favorite junk catalog for cheesy stuff that I can waste an hour reading..  I had no idea so many people needed support knee socks before I looked at the two of them .  I’m thinking of buying a dozen or so pairs for the kids!!LOL — Laura "rose" <rosedawn_sc…@yahoo.com

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Laura wrote: I have a manual peddler I bought from carol Wright gifts for about 12 dollars (US).  You can set the tension on it to make it easier or harder to pedal.  I will post info on ordering one when I get a catalog next.   I get one every month or so… I like looking at all of the cheesy cheap crap! LOL  It annoys my husband to see me panting over them and wanting to buy some useless piece of what he knows will be crap.. thanks, laura. the dr. leonard’s website had a link to ‘carol wright gifts’ on site. maybe the 2 of them together have the affordable/cheezy adaptive stuff market sewn up!  ;- it looks like there’s a ton of stuff around here and there — i wonder why my google search missed what looks like the good stuff. maybe i’m getting worse at figuring out the best search terms to use… thanks again! rose

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Unfortunately my son was too excited to play with it so he ripped the box. But I think they are quite common, my physical therapist had a ball kind, they are quite tricky in the sense that you need to maintain the balance. In the ball kind you have to worry of two kind of rolls. In the cylinder kind its only one direction. Its a very thick kind of balloon and you sit on it and do a few exercises like raising your legs and so on. I would think that I could find it on the net. I will try. — Quaecomque sunt vera —- "rose" <rosedawn_sc…@yahoo.com

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abdi wrote:     My wife bought me this thick balloon. Not the ball kind (its too hard for me). This is a cylinder, my problem is that after a couple of days of exercise, I become very stiff and cannot move. My wife says, you have to work through it. But I always give up. Anyway the calendar was about $20 bucks on sale. But it does help you with stability. Essentially when you are on it, you have to maintain the balance. hi abdi, i’m not sure if i know what you mean — a balloon that you, like, sit on or lay across, to work on your balance? do you know what the name of the thingie actually is? thanks, rose

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It is like this http://www.articlesgym.com/balance_ball-gym.html — Quaecomque sunt vera —- "rose" <rosedawn_sc…@yahoo.com

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hi there, i’m looking for home exercise equipment that will work with my current physical state, that’s also affordable. (dream on?) i’m losing lean muscle tissue and using supplements isn’t stopping it, I KNOW I Need to do physical activity as well, but i’m having some problems. i can walk, sort of, but when i do it causes more problems than it helps with. strength and grip issues mean i can’t use my free weights anymore. daily yoga is the only physical activity i get, it’s helping with the flexibility but no longer helping to build lean muscle mass (i’ve had to adapt my yoga program some, it’s not as active as it used to be). in the back of the U.S. NMSS mag, they have ads for adaptive exercise equipment. i have trouble with balance and can’t stay on a regular exercise bike, this ‘theracycle’ that they advertised looked really good — use your own strength as much as you can, then the ’smart motor’ kicks in and helps, big wide seat, adjustable so your feet in the cycle things are on the floor, feet strapped into pedals, very very nice!  but when i went to their website, http://www.theracycle.com  i found out the machines cost 3 grand. out of reach at the moment! the M.S. mag had another ad, for the ‘ex-n-flex.’ i went to THEIR website, http://www.exnflex.com  and couldn’t find out much of anything at all. they advertise in the U.S. national society’s mag, but are a canadian company. i wasn’t even able to find out how much they cost, but they have ads for free videos and such, and i assume that means it’s a lot of money. maybe cheaper than the theracycle, the model i was looking at was a foot ccle thing only, but i have a feeling it’ll be in the thousands, rather than the hundreds. basically, i’m looking for a foot pedal that can be used while sitting in a wheelchair (or a regular chair, either way works for me!) probably a good idea to have straps that keep feet on pedals. even if it doesn’t have a special smart motor that senses when you’re pedaling well or not! I THINK one that isn’t specifically made for disabled folks might work, but not a regular stationary bike — i’ve tried it, i slide off the seat.  =:o i’ve thought about those ‘home gym’ type things, but they’re also expensive. anyone got any ideas about how to get exercise equipment that’ll work within both abilities AND wallet?  i know abe has previously recommended e-bay as a good place to shop for used adaptive equpment, but i’ve never used e-bay, and i’m a little leery. any tips, brand names, websites, or other info will be greatly appreciated!  :- thanks, rose

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abdi wrote:

It is like this http://www.articlesgym.com/balance_ball-gym.html

thanks, abdi. wow, looks like it could be potentially a lot of fun, or a potential disaster, checking out the pics of people using the balance ball! i used to do a lot of standing balance postures in my yoga routine, but that’s gone by the wayside along with a few other things. i still do a LOT of seated balance postures. not sure if it’s anywhere near good enough for the balance ball, though! when i picture myself trying to use it, i mainly picture  myself on the floor with it rolling across the room, LOL! also abdi, nag nag nag — if the balance ball is too much for you, I STILL think you should ask your wife to show you some seated balance yoga asanas. i started doing hatha yoga when i was 12, and although my asana program has gone through several modifications over the years with M.S., it’s just about the ONLY thing i can think of that i began as a pre-teen and am still continuing with regularly. i’ve been through lots of physical changes with M.S., especially SPMS, but i know i definitely WOULD be in much worse shape without yoga. my daily yoga is much less active and pretzel-like  ;-

 than it used

to be, so i’m not getting the cardio or muscle-building benefits that i used to be able to get from it, but i’m flexible! regular ROM, stretching, benefits to the spine, no muscle contractures. i love hatha — it adapts so nicely to physical changes — but the old bod just needs a little extra these days. thanks again for everyone’s suggestions!  :-

rose

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Yes its really difficult, I am not sure if does build the muscle but it definitely is tough excursive, the looks can fool you. But my wife totally believes that the brain may come up with new paths (kind of makes sense). — Quaecomque sunt vera —- "rose" <rosedawn_sc…@yahoo.com

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abdi wrote: It is like this http://www.articlesgym.com/balance_ball-gym.html thanks, abdi. wow, looks like it could be potentially a lot of fun, or a potential disaster, checking out the pics of people using the balance ball! i used to do a lot of standing balance postures in my yoga routine, but that’s gone by the wayside along with a few other things. i still do a LOT of seated balance postures. not sure if it’s anywhere near good enough for the balance ball, though! when i picture myself trying to use it, i mainly picture  myself on the floor with it rolling across the room, LOL! also abdi, nag nag nag — if the balance ball is too much for you, I STILL think you should ask your wife to show you some seated balance yoga asanas. i started doing hatha yoga when i was 12, and although my asana program has gone through several modifications over the years with M.S., it’s just about the ONLY thing i can think of that i began as a pre-teen and am still continuing with regularly. i’ve been through lots of physical changes with M.S., especially SPMS, but i know i definitely WOULD be in much worse shape without yoga. my daily yoga is much less active and pretzel-like  ;-  than it used to be, so i’m not getting the cardio or muscle-building benefits that i used to be able to get from it, but i’m flexible! regular ROM, stretching, benefits to the spine, no muscle contractures. i love hatha — it adapts so nicely to physical changes — but the old bod just needs a little extra these days. thanks again for everyone’s suggestions!  :- rose

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basically, i’m looking for a foot pedal that can be used while sitting in a wheelchair (or a regular chair, either way works for me!) probably a good idea to have straps that keep feet on pedals. even if it doesn’t have a special smart motor that senses when you’re pedaling well or not! I THINK one that isn’t specifically made for disabled folks might work, but not a regular stationary bike — i’ve tried it, i slide off the seat.  =:o

I got a catalog the other day [am I on EVERYONE'S mailing list? Apparently so.] Anyway, they seems to have something like what you’re looking for … although I have no idea of the quality or what the company’s like. If you’d like to check it out, see http://www.drleonards.com/ and click on "Exercise." They have both a manual and an electronic foot pedal thingy … The "manual" one is only $10 [who knows what the quality is]. The electronic one is $150. Kathie

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I have a manual peddler I bought from carol Wright gifts for about 12 dollars (US).  You can set the tension on it to make it easier or harder to pedal.  I will post info on ordering one when I get a catalog next.   I get one every month or so… I like looking at all of the cheesy cheap crap! LOL  It annoys my husband to see me panting over them and wanting to buy some useless piece of what he knows will be crap.. — Laura "KKT" <sendme.nos…@hotpop.com

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rose wrote: basically, i’m looking for a foot pedal that can be used while sitting in a wheelchair (or a regular chair, either way works for me!) probably a good idea to have straps that keep feet on pedals. even if it doesn’t have a special smart motor that senses when you’re pedaling well or not! I THINK one that isn’t specifically made for disabled folks might work, but not a regular stationary bike — i’ve tried it, i slide off the seat.  =:o I got a catalog the other day [am I on EVERYONE'S mailing list? Apparently so.] Anyway, they seems to have something like what you’re looking for … although I have no idea of the quality or what the company’s like. If you’d like to check it out, see http://www.drleonards.com/ and click on "Exercise." They have both a manual and an electronic foot pedal thingy … The "manual" one is only $10 [who knows what the quality is]. The electronic one is $150. Kathie

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Laura wrote:

I have a manual peddler I bought from carol Wright gifts for about 12 dollars (US).  You can set the tension on it to make it easier or harder to pedal.  I will post info on ordering one when I get a catalog next.   I get one every month or so… I like looking at all of the cheesy cheap crap! LOL  It annoys my husband to see me panting over them and wanting to buy some useless piece of what he knows will be crap..

Is it this? http://tinyurl.com/avzqr Kathie PS: Yup. Cheesy, cheap crap … I read ‘em, too.

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I do not know how helpful this device would be, but it certainly seems to be reasonably priced.  I do not see it on the current website,but it was in the newest catalogue I received in the mail a couple days ago. It is an electric powered exercise machine designed for use with legs when sitting in a wheelchair or put on the table to exercise one’s arms. It looked very compact and small and retailed for around $150. I suspect it was designed more to keep our range of motion instead of providing any resistance. I have dealt with the company for numerous years http://www.rolli-moden.com/index.html I would suggest giving them a telephone call.  It is a small company and the person answering the phone will probably be familiar with everything. ROLLI-MODEN DESIGNS Div. of Manfred Sauer USA, Inc. 12225 World Trade Drive, Ste. T San Diego, CA 92128 TEL 858-676-1825 FAX 858-676-0820 Customer Service: TEL 800-707-2395 It might be of interest – you never know They could probably send you an e-mail picture or a fax I hope you find something suitable Larry rather than building character,adversity tends to reveal it written with voice recognition software – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -rose wrote:-

hi there, i’m looking for home exercise equipment that will work with my current physical state, that’s also affordable. (dream on?)

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abdi wrote:

    My wife bought me this thick balloon. Not the ball kind (its too

hard

for me). This is a cylinder, my problem is that after a couple of

days of

exercise, I become very stiff and cannot move. My wife says, you have

to

work through it. But I always give up. Anyway the calendar was about

$20

bucks on sale. But it does help you with stability. Essentially when

you are

on it, you have to maintain the balance.

hi abdi, i’m not sure if i know what you mean — a balloon that you, like, sit on or lay across, to work on your balance? do you know what the name of the thingie actually is? thanks, rose

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hi there, i’m looking for home exercise equipment that will work with my current physical state, that’s also affordable. (dream on?) i’m losing lean muscle tissue and using supplements isn’t stopping it, I KNOW I Need to do physical activity as well, but i’m having some problems. i can walk, sort of, but when i do it causes more problems than it helps with. strength and grip issues mean i can’t use my free weights anymore. daily yoga is the only physical activity i get, it’s helping with the flexibility but no longer helping to build lean muscle mass (i’ve had to adapt my yoga program some, it’s not as active as it used to be). in the back of the U.S. NMSS mag, they have ads for adaptive exercise equipment. i have trouble with balance and can’t stay on a regular exercise bike, this ‘theracycle’ that they advertised looked really good — use your own strength as much as you can, then the ’smart motor’ kicks in and helps, big wide seat, adjustable so your feet in the cycle things are on the floor, feet strapped into pedals, very very nice!  but when i went to their website, http://www.theracycle.com  i found out the machines cost 3 grand. out of reach at the moment! the M.S. mag had another ad, for the ‘ex-n-flex.’ i went to THEIR website, http://www.exnflex.com  and couldn’t find out much of anything at all. they advertise in the U.S. national society’s mag, but are a canadian company. i wasn’t even able to find out how much they cost, but they have ads for free videos and such, and i assume that means it’s a lot of money. maybe cheaper than the theracycle, the model i was looking at was a foot ccle thing only, but i have a feeling it’ll be in the thousands, rather than the hundreds. basically, i’m looking for a foot pedal that can be used while sitting in a wheelchair (or a regular chair, either way works for me!) probably a good idea to have straps that keep feet on pedals. even if it doesn’t have a special smart motor that senses when you’re pedaling well or not! I THINK one that isn’t specifically made for disabled folks might work, but not a regular stationary bike — i’ve tried it, i slide off the seat.  =:o i’ve thought about those ‘home gym’ type things, but they’re also expensive. anyone got any ideas about how to get exercise equipment that’ll work within both abilities AND wallet?  i know abe has previously recommended e-bay as a good place to shop for used adaptive equpment, but i’ve never used e-bay, and i’m a little leery. any tips, brand names, websites, or other info will be greatly appreciated!  :-

thanks, rose

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I don’t know what to get either and I’ve also been looking!  We’ll hunt together Rose! TC-Tracey "rose" <rosedawn_sc…@yahoo.com

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hi there, i’m looking for home exercise equipment that will work with my current physical state, that’s also affordable. (dream on?) i’m losing lean muscle tissue and using supplements isn’t stopping it, I KNOW I Need to do physical activity as well, but i’m having some problems. i can walk, sort of, but when i do it causes more problems than it helps with. strength and grip issues mean i can’t use my free weights anymore. daily yoga is the only physical activity i get, it’s helping with the flexibility but no longer helping to build lean muscle mass (i’ve had to adapt my yoga program some, it’s not as active as it used to be). in the back of the U.S. NMSS mag, they have ads for adaptive exercise equipment. i have trouble with balance and can’t stay on a regular exercise bike, this ‘theracycle’ that they advertised looked really good — use your own strength as much as you can, then the ’smart motor’ kicks in and helps, big wide seat, adjustable so your feet in the cycle things are on the floor, feet strapped into pedals, very very nice!  but when i went to their website, http://www.theracycle.com  i found out the machines cost 3 grand. out of reach at the moment! the M.S. mag had another ad, for the ‘ex-n-flex.’ i went to THEIR website, http://www.exnflex.com  and couldn’t find out much of anything at all. they advertise in the U.S. national society’s mag, but are a canadian company. i wasn’t even able to find out how much they cost, but they have ads for free videos and such, and i assume that means it’s a lot of money. maybe cheaper than the theracycle, the model i was looking at was a foot ccle thing only, but i have a feeling it’ll be in the thousands, rather than the hundreds. basically, i’m looking for a foot pedal that can be used while sitting in a wheelchair (or a regular chair, either way works for me!) probably a good idea to have straps that keep feet on pedals. even if it doesn’t have a special smart motor that senses when you’re pedaling well or not! I THINK one that isn’t specifically made for disabled folks might work, but not a regular stationary bike — i’ve tried it, i slide off the seat.  =:o i’ve thought about those ‘home gym’ type things, but they’re also expensive. anyone got any ideas about how to get exercise equipment that’ll work within both abilities AND wallet?  i know abe has previously recommended e-bay as a good place to shop for used adaptive equpment, but i’ve never used e-bay, and i’m a little leery. any tips, brand names, websites, or other info will be greatly appreciated!  :- thanks, rose

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KKT wrote:

Anyway, they seems to have something like what you’re looking for … although I have no idea of the quality or what the company’s like. If you’d like to check it out, see http://www.drleonards.com/ and click on "Exercise."

hi kathie, thanks very much for the link — i’d never heard of this place before. they do seem to have a couple things that look interesting in the ‘exercise’ section. i’ve also been dorking around all morning, exploring some of the other sections. adaptive veggie slicer, EZ grip knife set, magnifying tweezers…LOL, i’m a kid in a candy store!  ;-

i might end up ordering a pedaling machine from this place — if so, i’ll be sure to report back on the quality! rose

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Rose,     A while ago some one on TV was saying you can buy it cheap at garage sales. I have not found one but that’s what it was.     My wife bought me this thick balloon. Not the ball kind (its too hard for me). This is a cylinder, my problem is that after a couple of days of exercise, I become very stiff and cannot move. My wife says, you have to work through it. But I always give up. Anyway the calendar was about $20 bucks on sale. But it does help you with stability. Essentially when you are on it, you have to maintain the balance. — Quaecomque sunt vera —- "rose" <rosedawn_sc…@yahoo.com

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hi there, i’m looking for home exercise equipment that will work with my current physical state, that’s also affordable. (dream on?) i’m losing lean muscle tissue and using supplements isn’t stopping it, I KNOW I Need to do physical activity as well, but i’m having some problems. i can walk, sort of, but when i do it causes more problems than it helps with. strength and grip issues mean i can’t use my free weights anymore. daily yoga is the only physical activity i get, it’s helping with the flexibility but no longer helping to build lean muscle mass (i’ve had to adapt my yoga program some, it’s not as active as it used to be). in the back of the U.S. NMSS mag, they have ads for adaptive exercise equipment. i have trouble with balance and can’t stay on a regular exercise bike, this ‘theracycle’ that they advertised looked really good — use your own strength as much as you can, then the ’smart motor’ kicks in and helps, big wide seat, adjustable so your feet in the cycle things are on the floor, feet strapped into pedals, very very nice!  but when i went to their website, http://www.theracycle.com  i found out the machines cost 3 grand. out of reach at the moment! the M.S. mag had another ad, for the ‘ex-n-flex.’ i went to THEIR website, http://www.exnflex.com  and couldn’t find out much of anything at all. they advertise in the U.S. national society’s mag, but are a canadian company. i wasn’t even able to find out how much they cost, but they have ads for free videos and such, and i assume that means it’s a lot of money. maybe cheaper than the theracycle, the model i was looking at was a foot ccle thing only, but i have a feeling it’ll be in the thousands, rather than the hundreds. basically, i’m looking for a foot pedal that can be used while sitting in a wheelchair (or a regular chair, either way works for me!) probably a good idea to have straps that keep feet on pedals. even if it doesn’t have a special smart motor that senses when you’re pedaling well or not! I THINK one that isn’t specifically made for disabled folks might work, but not a regular stationary bike — i’ve tried it, i slide off the seat.  =:o i’ve thought about those ‘home gym’ type things, but they’re also expensive. anyone got any ideas about how to get exercise equipment that’ll work within both abilities AND wallet?  i know abe has previously recommended e-bay as a good place to shop for used adaptive equpment, but i’ve never used e-bay, and i’m a little leery. any tips, brand names, websites, or other info will be greatly appreciated!  :- thanks, rose

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do as much as you have time for. Some in the morning a bit more at night will work fine. Worked great for me when I began. While it may be nice to follow a video, they tend to originate from a one size fits all mentality. Many traditions do not teach pranayama to beginners; often several years of daily asana practice is considered necessary to get the body and mind focussed enough to get proper benefit from pranayama. Best to find what works for you, what your body and mind need, then practice that. You might need a live teacher for that. I think a balanced approach, practicing meditation, quigong and asanas would be best, with emphasis on asanas since that seems to be what you are needing right now.

Thanks for your reply. I have just discovered a yoga center here in town, which seems to have quite well qualified teachers. Unfortuneately, they don’t appear to start another course until the autumn, so until then I’ll stick to your advice of balancing qigong, meditation and yoga (by VHS). Are there any particular asanas or group of asanas, that will be specially suited for morning/evening practice? rgds, ole k

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do as much as you have time for. Some in the morning a bit more at night will work fine. Worked great for me when I began. While it may be nice to follow a video, they tend to originate from a one size fits all mentality. Many traditions do not teach pranayama to beginners; often several years of daily asana practice is considered necessary to get the body and mind focussed enough to get proper benefit from pranayama. Best to find what works for you, what your body and mind need, then practice that. You might need a live teacher for that. I think a balanced approach, practicing meditation, quigong and asanas would be best, with emphasis on asanas since that seems to be what you are needing right now. Thanks for your reply. I have just discovered a yoga center here in town, which seems to have quite well qualified teachers. Unfortuneately, they don’t appear to start another course until the autumn, so until then I’ll stick to your advice of balancing qigong, meditation and yoga (by VHS). Are there any particular asanas or group of asanas, that will be specially suited for morning/evening practice?

That is entirely dependent and varible upon one’s condition, mental/physical. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – rgds, ole k

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – To be more precise: I have been drifting in and out of yoga (asanas) for a few years, tending to have spent more time doing (zen) meditation and qigong. These days I have been sort of drifting in again, doing a program that I’ve got on an VHS recording. Thing is, that this program takes almost one hour (including pranayama and relaxation), and I often find it hard to set that much time aside for a yoga program in the evening (when I do have more time available than in the mornings). So now I’m curious if this is about the average time a yoga program will take for a beginner, if I can split it, find a compressed program or whatever. Any helpful hints will do. These last few weeks I’ve been having a physical condition that has convinced me that I am willing to put qigong – and perhaps also meditation – aside for some time, to give yoga a fair chance to work on my system. Thanks a lot in advance, ole k

Do as much as you have time for. Some in the morning a bit more at night will work fine. Worked great for me when I began. While it may be nice to follow a video, they tend to originate from a one size fits all mentality. Many traditions do not teach pranayama to beginners; often several years of daily asana practice is considered necessary to get the body and mind focussed enough to get proper benefit from pranayama. Best to find what works for you, what your body and mind need, then practice that. You might need a live teacher for that. I think a balanced approach, practicing meditation, quigong and asanas would be best, with emphasis on asanas since that seems to be what you are needing right now.

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To be more precise: I have been drifting in and out of yoga (asanas) for a few years, tending to have spent more time doing (zen) meditation and qigong. These days I have been sort of drifting in again, doing a program that I’ve got on an VHS recording. Thing is, that this program takes almost one hour (including pranayama and relaxation), and I often find it hard to set that much time aside for a yoga program in the evening (when I do have more time available than in the mornings). So now I’m curious if this is about the average time a yoga program will take for a beginner, if I can split it, find a compressed program or whatever. Any helpful hints will do. These last few weeks I’ve been having a physical condition that has convinced me that I am willing to put qigong – and perhaps also meditation – aside for some time, to give yoga a fair chance to work on my system. Thanks a lot in advance, ole k

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I want to learn yoga asanas and specifically nauli and uddiyana. How do I find a right studio/teacher? I am in LongIsland,NY. Please help me with any information. thanks

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I want to learn yoga asanas and specifically nauli and uddiyana. How do I find a right studio/teacher? I am in LongIsland,NY. Please help me with any information. thanks

You may want to start by looking in you local yellow pages under yoga.   Generally if you find one studio you can talk to students there about others.  I would try to find an Iyengar certified teacher, in that they tend to be consistently well trained.  Shop around, take classes from a variety of teachers. In my experience nauli and uddiyana are not taught until the student has mastered more fundamental practices.  It would be easy to cause nerve damage if they are not practiced with care. — ~Stu

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I want to learn yoga asanas and specifically nauli and uddiyana. How do I find a right studio/teacher? I am in LongIsland,NY. Please help me with any information. thanks You may want to start by looking in you local yellow pages under yoga.   Generally if you find one studio you can talk to students there about others.  I would try to find an Iyengar certified teacher, in that they tend to be consistently well trained.  Shop around, take classes from a variety of teachers. In my experience nauli and uddiyana are not taught until the student has mastered more fundamental practices.  It would be easy to cause nerve damage if they are not practiced with care.

I have never heard of nerve damage from uddiyana or nauli. How does that happen?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I want to learn yoga asanas and specifically nauli and uddiyana. How do I find a right studio/teacher? I am in LongIsland,NY. Please help me with any information. thanks You may want to start by looking in you local yellow pages under yoga.   Generally if you find one studio you can talk to students there about others.  I would try to find an Iyengar certified teacher, in that they tend to be consistently well trained.  Shop around, take classes from a variety of teachers. In my experience nauli and uddiyana are not taught until the student has mastered more fundamental practices.  It would be easy to cause nerve damage if they are not practiced with care. I have never heard of nerve damage from uddiyana or nauli. How does that happen?

It happens when one thinks they can get better results by working harder. — ~Stu

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Most of you know I still remain mildly affected, much less than most in here but that from time to time it all flares up and I shake like a wet dog for anything from 30 minutes to a few days and then it disappears, when done, for sometimes 24 hours but mostly months on end. Certain things cause me to flare up and for the most part I can avoid all that by forcing calm on myself because it is definite that if I get extremely upset, laugh too hard or get "emotional" for any reason, it’s all back again. Living like "Spock" has it’s advantages. Anyway, yesterday a woman driver near hit my car when she should have given way. Only a hard application of my brakes avoided an accident and of course I beeped her for being an idiot. She slams on the brakes in the intersection and yells obscenities, gesticulates and wouldn’t move. I happened to be going her direction and when it was clear she wasn’t moving and had blocked the entire intersection, I beeped at her to get her moving. She finally did and so did I, watching out for a small kid about 2 who looked like she was about to run out in front of me – but fortunately didn’t. In the time I was distracted, the fool woman who had cut me off and was suffering road rage slammed her brakes on in front of me AGAIN and of course I rear ended her. So I get out of the car and say to her to pull over as we now have to exchange particulars. She did that and my wife, who I had dropped off up the street to go to work and who had heard me beeping the horn walks to the corner where she hears one guy ask another what happened, both white guys. One says to the other "Some white guy just rear ended a woman. I am waiting here to see if she needs help if he looks like he is about to bash her". WHAT? It wasn’t ME who was gesticulating and screaming in rage. It was HER and suddenly, apparently because I am white, I am the bad guy. I have to pay the excess to get my car fixed and her car because SHE did the wrong thing, now simply because I had no witnesses. In the meantime, in the south-western suburbs of Sydney, kids about 18 and younger are throwing things at cops and not getting arrested unless they are stupid enough to get close to the cops and are then grabbed. When did is start that 50 year old white guys are the sole cause of everything bad and that if you are young, you can do what you like? Is political correctness the cause for all this? There is no doubt that had I gotten out of the car using a cane I would have been viewed differently but now I am up for $500 plus her excess (which, depending on her accident record may be anything up to $2500) which I don’t have because SHE did the wrong thing. So what happened to society that people like me are automatically in the wrong? I get home after working and am shaking the whole day because of this. I am definitely worse off as expected but apparently because I look "normal" for my age, I am apparently one of the evils of society. Is it like this in America? Canada? Britain? Any other country of the western world?

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You know about 15 years ago, I was in the same boat except my ms was cp from the start. My ms was so mild I could not get my GP to send me to the specialist. But the neuro got it immediately. In retrospect I wish I had kept more active all along. MS creeps on you so slowly that you compromise all along, but you need to be disciplined, MS to me acts more like boiling lobster, you realize the deficits only when its too late. I am very impressed with my wife’s yoga exercises but they are too hard and require time. — Quaecomque sunt vera —- "Gut-buster" <donot-st…@me.privateparts.or.else

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Most of you know I still remain mildly affected, much less than most in here but that from time to time it all flares up and I shake like a wet dog for anything from 30 minutes to a few days and then it disappears, when done, for sometimes 24 hours but mostly months on end. Certain things cause me to flare up and for the most part I can avoid all that by forcing calm on myself because it is definite that if I get extremely upset, laugh too hard or get "emotional" for any reason, it’s all back again. Living like "Spock" has it’s advantages. Anyway, yesterday a woman driver near hit my car when she should have given way. Only a hard application of my brakes avoided an accident and of course I beeped her for being an idiot. She slams on the brakes in the intersection and yells obscenities, gesticulates and wouldn’t move. I happened to be going her direction and when it was clear she wasn’t moving and had blocked the entire intersection, I beeped at her to get her moving. She finally did and so did I, watching out for a small kid about 2 who looked like she was about to run out in front of me – but fortunately didn’t. In the time I was distracted, the fool woman who had cut me off and was suffering road rage slammed her brakes on in front of me AGAIN and of course I rear ended her. So I get out of the car and say to her to pull over as we now have to exchange particulars. She did that and my wife, who I had dropped off up the street to go to work and who had heard me beeping the horn walks to the corner where she hears one guy ask another what happened, both white guys. One says to the other "Some white guy just rear ended a woman. I am waiting here to see if she needs help if he looks like he is about to bash her". WHAT? It wasn’t ME who was gesticulating and screaming in rage. It was HER and suddenly, apparently because I am white, I am the bad guy. I have to pay the excess to get my car fixed and her car because SHE did the wrong thing, now simply because I had no witnesses. In the meantime, in the south-western suburbs of Sydney, kids about 18 and younger are throwing things at cops and not getting arrested unless they are stupid enough to get close to the cops and are then grabbed. When did is start that 50 year old white guys are the sole cause of everything bad and that if you are young, you can do what you like? Is political correctness the cause for all this? There is no doubt that had I gotten out of the car using a cane I would have been viewed differently but now I am up for $500 plus her excess (which, depending on her accident record may be anything up to $2500) which I don’t have because SHE did the wrong thing. So what happened to society that people like me are automatically in the wrong? I get home after working and am shaking the whole day because of this. I am definitely worse off as expected but apparently because I look "normal" for my age, I am apparently one of the evils of society. Is it like this in America? Canada? Britain? Any other country of the western world?

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lobster, you realize the deficits only when its too late. I am very impressed with my wife’s yoga exercises but they are too hard and

require

time.

abdi, do you know what style of yoga your wife does? one of several things i did in a former life  ;-

 was teaching hatha yoga. there are

several different ’styles,’ some more active than others. long ago, after i was dx’d with M.S., but before i was disabled by it, i got together with an R.P.T. and the two of us designed an ‘adaptive yoga’ program which we presented to a local HIV/AIDS group whose focus was on using as many natural means as possible to feel better, and it was very well-received. the yoga asanas can be adapted so that what are usually standing postures can be performed from a wheelchair. when i was an instructor, i never liked iyengar yoga, in part because i found the style too rigid, and in part because of their extensive use of props — the way i was taught was NOT to use things to ‘help’ you get into the asanas, it’s getting into them gradually by working up to it. however, for disabled folks, this is actually a plus — enables you to get into the poses when you wouldn’t be able to otherwise. i’m not sure how much your abilities have been affected, but if you can still move at all, there are asanas that you can do, and if there’s an iyengar instructor nearby, you could ask for a consult — seriously! if your wife is very experienced with yoga, you might could also ask her for her opinions on how the asanas could be adapted — that might serve double-duty, if she gets frustrated by feeling that there’s nothing she can do to help you. i know dennis is like that, and i have to ‘let’ him help me with things sometimes, just so he doesnt start feeling bad about not being ‘useful’ enough. you can feel free to write me off list if you want as well, if you’d like to talk about yoga and the kinds of asanas you might be able to do. i never liked it when people dismissed hatha yoga as ‘only stretching,’ because it’s so much more — builds strength and endurance as well, can be aerobic, can be many things. but for those of us with limited mobility, there’s no ‘just’ about stretching — keeps contractures and such at bay! i reckon you’ve guessed, i’m a bg fan of yoga.  ;-

rose

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Unfortunately she never practiced it with a real yogi, she has picked it up from various videotapes and a psychologist. So it is really a mish mash but when I try to do it I see how much balance it requires. She also gets a lot of calmness from the concentration of it and because I am trying not to fall, I really cannot concentrate. — Quaecomque sunt vera —- "rose" <rosedawn_sc…@yahoo.com

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abdi wrote: lobster, you realize the deficits only when its too late. I am very impressed with my wife’s yoga exercises but they are too hard and require time. abdi, do you know what style of yoga your wife does? one of several things i did in a former life  ;-  was teaching hatha yoga. there are several different ’styles,’ some more active than others. long ago, after i was dx’d with M.S., but before i was disabled by it, i got together with an R.P.T. and the two of us designed an ‘adaptive yoga’ program which we presented to a local HIV/AIDS group whose focus was on using as many natural means as possible to feel better, and it was very well-received. the yoga asanas can be adapted so that what are usually standing postures can be performed from a wheelchair. when i was an instructor, i never liked iyengar yoga, in part because i found the style too rigid, and in part because of their extensive use of props — the way i was taught was NOT to use things to ‘help’ you get into the asanas, it’s getting into them gradually by working up to it. however, for disabled folks, this is actually a plus — enables you to get into the poses when you wouldn’t be able to otherwise. i’m not sure how much your abilities have been affected, but if you can still move at all, there are asanas that you can do, and if there’s an iyengar instructor nearby, you could ask for a consult — seriously! if your wife is very experienced with yoga, you might could also ask her for her opinions on how the asanas could be adapted — that might serve double-duty, if she gets frustrated by feeling that there’s nothing she can do to help you. i know dennis is like that, and i have to ‘let’ him help me with things sometimes, just so he doesnt start feeling bad about not being ‘useful’ enough. you can feel free to write me off list if you want as well, if you’d like to talk about yoga and the kinds of asanas you might be able to do. i never liked it when people dismissed hatha yoga as ‘only stretching,’ because it’s so much more — builds strength and endurance as well, can be aerobic, can be many things. but for those of us with limited mobility, there’s no ‘just’ about stretching — keeps contractures and such at bay! i reckon you’ve guessed, i’m a bg fan of yoga.  ;- rose

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Hi HB, I appreciate the flavor of your donuts,How come I could not get that up to now!!!It is a shame on me! puma

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Hi HB, I appreciate the flavor of your donuts,How come I could not get that up to now!!!It is a shame on me! puma

Hey Puma, Do not heap too much shame on yourself. I am seeing the connection between those characters because many years ago I was a fringe member of that same fringe cult and so can recognize their buzz words and catch-phrases. While I derived much benefit from the various yogic practices, asana, meditation techniques, pranayam, that I learned there, I could never embrace their "save the world" mentality.

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These people are not talking about LITERATURE,They are talking about MEDITATION but apperantly they do not know it, so it is our duty to show the right way Mice.Why are you so nervous? Do not eat very heavy meals !!! With compassion Puma

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These people are not talking about LITERATURE,They are talking about MEDITATION but apperantly they do not know it, so it is our duty to show the right way Mice.Why are you so nervous? Do not eat very heavy meals !!! With compassion Puma

Hi Puma, My bag of donuts is telling me that, "Learn the Science of Meditation" and "Mice In the Cupboard" are the same person, also known as Dharmadeva, That, or they are boosom members of the same cult.

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First of all you should learn what YOGA is… It can easily be seen that you have no idea regarding YOGA. If you knew it, you would not  separate them as YOGA &MEDITATION. So without knowing what it is ,how can you teach it!! Please do not act like this. this action of yours clearly indicates that you know nothing about yoga… So first you yourselve should learn it then may be you may teach… Puma Learn the Science of Meditation. Sing the Song of the Soul! Yoga Philosophy and Practice Vision and Purpose: 1.    Learning the deeper aspects of the science of meditation & yoga

as they relate to our daily lives, including philosophy and practical application. 2.    Learning valuable skills for discovery and cultivation of the

wholistic relationship between body, mind and spirit essential for meditation & yoga. 3.    Understanding the experiences, challenges and triumphs in deep

meditation & yoga practice. 4.    To develop a healthy body, mind and spirit and become more

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internalise your consciousness for meditation * Dharana     – concentration, or extended mental focusing,

fundamental to yogic meditation * Dhyana      - process of meditation, the principal practice of

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Hey, you go on with your fanatical semantics all the type.  People are interested in rationality and sentiment, at the same time. Proper elevating sentiments.  Language is a flexible tool.  Stop being such a sectarian fanatic.  Go back to the dark ages.

: First of all you should learn what YOGA is… : : It can easily be seen that you have no idea regarding YOGA. If you knew : it, you would not  separate them as YOGA &MEDITATION. : So without knowing what it is ,how can you teach it!! : : Please do not act like this. this action of yours clearly indicates : that you know nothing about yoga… : : So first you yourselve should learn it then may be you may teach… : : Puma : Learn the Science of Meditation. : : Sing the Song of the Soul! : : Yoga Philosophy and Practice : : Vision and Purpose: : : 1.    Learning the deeper aspects of the science of meditation & yoga : as they relate to our daily lives, including philosophy and practical : application. : : 2.    Learning valuable skills for discovery and cultivation of the : wholistic relationship between body, mind and spirit essential for : meditation & yoga. : : 3.    Understanding the experiences, challenges and triumphs in deep : meditation & yoga practice. : : 4.    To develop a healthy body, mind and spirit and become more : aware through your practice of meditation, yoga asanas (postures) and : healthy lifestyle practices and outlook. : : 5.    To appreciate the importance of a nurturing environment to : assist in spiritual awareness, mental expansion and service to the : world. : : Subscribe: : : E-mail (course co-ordinator): : : Basic yoga philosophy.  Based on the 8-limbed system of Yoga : : * Yama        - external moral / ethical discipline : * Niyama      - internal moral / ethical strength : * Asana       – yogic postures : * Pranayama   – proper breathing : * Pratyahara  - withdrawal of senses from the external world to : internalise your consciousness for meditation : * Dharana     – concentration, or extended mental focusing, : fundamental to yogic meditation : * Dhyana      - process of meditation, the principal practice of : bringing your mind to ideate on Oneness : * Samadhi     – experience of unitive consciousness so as to feel : inwardly one with the feeling of Infinite Peace : : Also teachings and practice of basic support tools and skills for : growth on all levels: :  physical, mental and spiritual. : : Help address: :  http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Meditation2005-2/about : : Subscription address: : : Unsubscription address: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : BIreFFloNE0oPEqxFDmn1Dywkrq8×30covPdI1gMnnosoH1Z11 :

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(Top posted in the same retarded way) It is when it is no longer mindful that it becomes yoga.  It is not this not that.  When we become identical with the subject.  That is yoga. — ~Stu – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Dharmadeva: If what you are saying is correct,then take your brain out,and see your SPIRITUAL ACTION if it is there!!!!!!! If no BRAIN , nothing will be remain…. In yoga there are 8 STEPS, all of them make it yoga , be mindfull… With compassion, Puma Meditation is spiritual.  So that is what would be referred to.  What you say below is merely that a physical vehicle is required. Yoga is meditation and meditation is yoga. If yoga has 8 limbsthen why you separate YOGA and MEDITATION? When you say meditationwhich type of meditation you are referring to? Because one is the type that BUDISTS are doing VIPASSANA which is made on CORTEX of the BRAIN the otherswithin the sub-brain/ So please be specic next time. With compassion, Puma

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If no mindfull no yoga at all, to see the reality take your brin out, and be together with the object or subject, if you can find any… Awake my friend ,do not try to sell others ideas to me. If you have any original then it is well accepted by myself…. With compassion, Puma

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If yoga has 8 limbsthen why you separate YOGA and MEDITATION? When you say meditationwhich type of meditation you are referring to? Because one is the type that BUDISTS are doing VIPASSANA which is made on CORTEX of the BRAIN the otherswithin the sub-brain/ So please be specic next time. With compassion, Puma

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Meditation is spiritual.  So that is what would be referred to.  What you say below is merely that a physical vehicle is required. Yoga is meditation and meditation is yoga. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If yoga has 8 limbsthen why you separate YOGA and MEDITATION? When you say meditationwhich type of meditation you are referring to? Because one is the type that BUDISTS are doing VIPASSANA which is made on CORTEX of the BRAIN the otherswithin the sub-brain/ So please be specic next time. With compassion, Puma

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Hi Dharmadeva: If what you are saying is correct,then take your brain out,and see your SPIRITUAL ACTION if it is there!!!!!!! If no BRAIN , nothing will be remain…. In yoga there are 8 STEPS, all of them make it yoga , be mindfull… With compassion, Puma – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Meditation is spiritual.  So that is what would be referred to.  What you say below is merely that a physical vehicle is required. Yoga is meditation and meditation is yoga. If yoga has 8 limbsthen why you separate YOGA and MEDITATION? When you say meditationwhich type of meditation you are referring to? Because one is the type that BUDISTS are doing VIPASSANA which is made on CORTEX of the BRAIN the otherswithin the sub-brain/ So please be specic next time. With compassion, Puma

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We are very pleased to announce the posting of the new issue of The Inner Traveler, the newsletter of the Meditation Society of America. Thanks to the "best in the world" quality artists and authors who have contributed to it, it is so full of wisdom, beauty and love that we will soon start using this issue as our sample. Our web master has posted the URL for the whole issue (4.7MB, 40 pages), and also has posted 4 separate parts of about 10 pages and 1.2MB each, to make the download less long for those who don’t have broadband. Here’s the URL: http://www.meditationsociety.com/itv229064/index.html We feel that one of the best things that you can do is to share things that help others deal with stress, and gain self knowledge and self control, and that is our aim with The Inner Traveler. We are suggesting that a good way to help others would be to print up copies of The Inner Traveler and pass them out to your friends, family, coworkers, and all those who you think could benefit from reading this work of consciousness evolving concepts and methods. We hope you will enjoy and benefit from this collaberative effort that points to Truth from many different perspectives. Peace and blessings, Bob Rose, President, Meditation Society of America Web Site: http://meditationsociety.com

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