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I am happy to hear that you have had a positive response to the yoga classes you have been attending. I don’t have experience taking a Bikram class, but know a bit about the style. Being an easily overheated type, I hesitate to practice asana in a heated room and stick to a more cooling practice for myself. Am curious to hear if you have tried other yoga approaches before embarking on the Bikram class? Your openness to experiencing your inner landscape during the practice of asana is a wonderful doorway. Wishing you much success as you explore.

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I began taking a Bikram yoga class about a month ago. I absolutely love what it has done for my mind and body. I thought I’d take the time to share a bit about the road I began when I started doing yoga. About 2 months ago I was extremely depressed and suicidal. I decided that I needed to made some positive changes to my life. I have a friend who takes bikram yoga and loves it, so with her encouragement, I’ve started going. Not only am I feeling physically better, but I am able to better focus now. A couple of the postures (the backwards bending ones) have been surprisingly helpful for my emotions as well… this was a shock to me when I first did them…. and I wasn’t expecting the emotional reaction I had to the postures the first few times I did them. I think somehow those poses are helping bring to the surface some of the things that were precursors to my suicidal state a couple months ago. So with the help of meds, my therapist, and yoga…. I’m working twoard healing…. from the inside out. In addition to this, I have lost 6 pounds over the past month… a *real* accomplishment for me… I had to take the last week off of class due to being very sick with stomach problems… and too weak to make it thru the class without passing out… but I’m getting better now, and am planning on returning to class tonight… =)

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60 Minutes Wednesday is doing a story on Bikram Choudhury and Bikram yoga this week. It’s airing Wed., June 8 at 8:00 (on CBS). Looks interesting.

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Bikram Yoga story on 60 Minutes Wednesday 60 Minutes Wednesday is doing a story on Bikram Choudhury and Bikram yoga this week. It’s airing Wed., June 8 at 8:00 (on CBS). Looks interesting.

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Thanks for the heads-up! Namaste

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Doing hatha yoga in 105 degree heat might be a great way of giving an elderly person quick heart attack, but there is no physical or esoteric reason to do it.  A gimmick to make money is hardly worth arguing over.  I think both sides of that case are fooling themselves.  Money is their motive, not meditation or real yoga. Christopher Calder

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So did anyone see the show, I missed it. OK, I have to admit I don’t watch tv. There I said it Anyway did anyone see it and if you did would you like to share your impression? Namaste

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So did anyone see the show, I missed it. Anyway did anyone see it and if you did would you like to share your impression?

I saw the show and had mixed feelings. The guy seems greedy. He sued a yoga instructor because she was teaching Bikram yoga without paying the $5,000 fee to learn from Bikram himself. The judge ruled that his yoga routine with 26 different yoga positions in exact order could be copyrighted just like a song. He seemed like a quack to me, however most of the people shown performing this type of yoga had extremely nice bodies, not your typical Americans. — flicknut This message originated from http://www.yoga-meditation.org

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Whatever seems to work.. generally the consensus seems to be Effexor XR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -outri…@despammed.com wrote:

What anti-depressant works best for you? All suggestions welcome please. Collecting for someone too sick to do it himself. Zee

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Has anyone tried St. John’s Wort? Did anyone try some combination of drugs? This guy has tried most of what has been suggested. Not working for him, and Paxil made him very hyper and anxious, then coming down off it was horrible. {The couch is getting worn out}. I am getting worried it won’t end and may lead to something worse…

Be careful with St. John’s Wort – it interferes with the metabolism of a number of meds, so interaction with treatment could be a concern. Doesn’t have to be, I don’t believe it has ever been tested together with IF or Riba, but it’s something to keep in mind. And except for a recent German study finding good results, most previous studies found relatively little effect on depression. What he might want to discuss with his doc is a different approach, a different class of meds. Most docs reflexively prescribe SSRIs when they hear depression, but maybe an anti-anxiety med with a different mechanism might work better in his case. Maybe even the bad old stuff like Valium. It can be a concern because of addiction, but it doesn’t have to be (and as you’ve seen with Paxil, withdrawal is a problem even with the modern meds). Thomas — To reach me, complete my last name in the address.

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Hi Zee, Canadave: Over the past ten years I’ve had good luck with Prozac and Zoloft.  Paxil made me disfunctionally sleepy.  Neurontin does have a mild calming effect. I got into too high of a dose with Zoloft and became agitated. I’m working with 10 mg of Lexapro right now.  It definitely helps with the sadness and blackness.  Don’t get twisted up about needing an antidepressant.  They can help you think more rationally and make life easier for those close to you.   Stay with it.  Kathy J.  

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Hi Zee What a rough road for you.  It sounds like your fella might be best served by benzodiazepines or a narcotic.  This is such an enormous learning experience for us all.  I so want to get well so I can show others how its done.   Compassion to you. Kathy J.

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wrote: On 1 Jun 2005 21:31:12 -0700, outri…@despammed.com wrote: Has anyone tried St. John’s Wort? Did anyone try some combination of drugs? This guy has tried most of what has been suggested. Not working for him, and Paxil made him very hyper and anxious, then coming down off it was horrible. {The couch is getting worn out}. I am getting worried it won’t end and may lead to something worse… Be careful with St. John’s Wort – it interferes with the metabolism of a number of meds, so interaction with treatment could be a concern.

St John’s Wort induces CYP3A4, one of the liver P450 enzymes.  This is a really common enzyme used to metabolize a lot of drugs and making it more active can reduce by more than half the amount of drug in your bloodstream of other drugs you’re taking, making them ineffective. Then again, there’s this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&… =Abstract&list_uids=12087352 Saying that: CONCLUSION: In patients with chronic hepatitis C, pretreatment CYP3A4 and CYP2D6 activities were significantly lower than those observed in healthy volunteers. These differences disappeared after 1 month of antiviral treatment because of the restoration of these CYP activities in about half of the patients. It’s all guesswork at this point. I’d just check for all his other medications if there’s a known or likely interaction with something he’s taking.  I’d also look for recent studies that looked at St John’s Wort in a larger group of people over a long time because I think they showed it didn’t do much of anything.

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Ahhh this just in: some doc has suggested gabapentin aka Neurontin. Any thoughts on that?

I found this interesting: http://www.psycom.net/depression.central.gabapentin.html

It’s an epilepsy med fercrissake. Sometimes used for peripheral neuropathy pain.

It seems to be one of those freaky new drugs that shows the limits of how little we know about how the brain works.   It seems to work for some people who haven’t responded to other treatments. My only experience is someone who took it for severe pain from facial shingles.  It worked amazingly well for him and was selling and moving out of his house of 15 years at the same time.  Stopped taking it when the lesions went away and has not had side effects 2 years later. G

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outri…@despammed.com wrote in news:1117755901.815191.240440 My doc put me on Lexapro. It seemed to work pretty well for me. Best Dan @f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

Ahhh this just in: some doc has suggested gabapentin aka Neurontin. Any thoughts on that? It’s an epilepsy med fercrissake. Sometimes used for peripheral neuropathy pain. Depression? I don’t get anything on google for that. Of course, I know docs are prescribing off-label in a lot of cases, but this looks like more risk than benefit. Would appreciate any comments. Zee

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> >  "pajaritaflora" <birdsp…@gmail.com> wrote: > > [...] > > > Zee, I am not very good at eating right now. I have alot of cereal. I > > > crave tomatoes. before tx I was cooking fabulous food. Now I don’t have > > > the energy or desire and am nauseous. IE MJ. > > slice an onion > > slice a piece of celery > > slice a carrot > > put olive oil in a pan and saute them for a couple of minutes > > put a can of crushed red tomatos > > simmer for a hour > > serve in a bowl over bread, or old rice, or pasta if you have the energy. > > Tomatos always made me feel better. > Well there ya go. Who needs pharmaceuticals?

Smoking a bowl before I started usually gave me the energy and desire to eat so I could pull it off.  Sometimes I couldn’t and I’d just have to tell someone else how to make it

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Zee, I am not very good at eating right now. I have alot of cereal. I crave tomatoes. before tx I was cooking fabulous food. Now I don’t have the energy or desire and am nauseous. IE MJ. Gordo replies Smoking a bowl before I started usually gave me the energy and desire to eat so I could pull it off.  Sometimes I couldn’t and I’d just have to tell someone else how to make it

Just a mouth full of nice coffee in the AM seems to clear up my nausea, I suppose just a bit.  Pot still works best, I sent Mary Ann one of my stir fry recipes that I mentioned months ago.  I still make them once or twice a week.  Lots of chopped garlic, ginger in some, flash fried in a wok on the side element of the gas barbeque outside on the deck.  I stir fry the oil, spanish onions in chunks, garlic then when that gets nice and slightly wilty looking, I add the meats which have been thin sliced cross grain, pounded thin thin thin and soaked in a bit of chinese cooking wine (tenderizer) and sesame oil (flavour and easier handling).  Meat portion is too big sometimes, so I continually resize it.  I think I did well on Wednesday, actually. I remove the meats and ginger, onions, etc after about two or three minutes, place on warm standbye in a pot on the upper shelf of the barbeque.  It does not over cook that way while I stir fry the harder veggies and get the small bit of stock ready to re-combine the two in a covered (steaming) wok very little liquid, a little goes a long way.  don’t boil it or fully steam it. I add the other fancy veggies like pea pods and green onions at various times during the veggies stage. Flash fry it. I really do think the big thin slices of ginger root really help the tummy too.  Never tried it for breakfast, though.  This is yummy stuff, I wish I could do more. cactus jammies

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> >  outri…@despammed.com wrote: > > > What anti-depressant works best for you? All suggestions welcome > > > please. Collecting for someone too sick to do it himself. > > Best drug for me during tx: mj baked into brownies.  Took care of the > > horrible yuck feeling, and erased the riba rage. > > For the crying, my doc gave me Symbyax.  Combo of Zyprexa and Prozac. > > Worked fast, worked well. > > G > Sounds wicked. I don’t think I’ve heard of that combo: one an > antidepressant the other an antipsychotic that causes weight gain and > messes with insulin levels.

It didn’t cause me to gain weight and didn’t mess with my insulin levels. None of this medication is without possible side effects, and I didn’t take it because I wanted to.  I took it because I needed it.  It worked. YMMV.

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Zee, I am not very good at eating right now. I have alot of cereal. I crave tomatoes. before tx I was cooking fabulous food. Now I don’t have the energy or desire and am nauseous. IE MJ.

slice an onion slice a piece of celery slice a carrot put olive oil in a pan and saute them for a couple of minutes put a can of crushed red tomatos simmer for a hour serve in a bowl over bread, or old rice, or pasta if you have the energy. Tomatos always made me feel better.

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I’m a Zoloft kind of girl. I even chose to stay on it after tx and I really like it except for dreams I have at night. I’m always trying to gain control over situations I’m in. hc <outri…@despammed.com

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Thanks Mary Ann. He too wants to function better. He wants to ride his bike, sail his boat, but the MJ may come in handy some other time.

Hi,  If your friend is on treatment he may be too fatigued to do some of those things. being patient with myself and slowing my pace way down has been very helpful. I can actually get a few things accomplished. It was very frustrating at first…..I used to do heavy duty fighting (krav maga) and Bikram Yoga,,,,That’s not happening now.

I don’t know where you are with food.

Zee, I am not very good at eating right now. I have alot of cereal. I crave tomatoes. before tx I was cooking fabulous food. Now I don’t have the energy or desire and am nauseous. IE MJ.

He eats a very high fat, densely caloric diet. He burns it and stays very lean. Don’t deny yourself anything, if and when you can eat–just chow down. And if the MJ would help you with appetitie–why not? Zee

Good luck, Mary Ann

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I started with paxil and found out it and one other anti-depressant I tried just didn’t make me function right. So I ended up taking no anti-d and am happy I didn’t have to. But if I felt the need I would go back to paxil as I functioned better on it. It just didn’t make me feel right, wanted to sleep all the time. I tried it 3 months told my doctor and we just stopped. It made me feel better (depression is a strange thing, the mind is a strange thing). As far as pot, I agree with you, for the folks who like it, "lite up the dubie"!  It gives some people the muchies. The muchies give you a fat ass and it doesn’t do anything for me but make me sit around like a frog on a log. Oh, it’s against the law here in Kansas. Oh, but It is way kewl though!  But when in Amsterdam you can call me frogie!!!    Buster <outri…@despammed.com

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What anti-depressant works best for you? All suggestions welcome please. Collecting for someone too sick to do it himself. Zee

Celexa is what I’m using. Combine that with some tokes and I might actually eat food, and have some inspiration. Mary Ann

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I’m on Paxil. It seems to do the job. — Shawn (use the "reply feature on your browser to send a private reply via E-Mail.) <outri…@despammed.com

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That’s true but in the bizarro world of HCV combo treatment – where you’re not really depressed, you have chemically-induced symptoms of depression – marijuana works amazingly well in many people to make them feel a lot better. Gordo

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// zee outrider, you messin with this? cactus jammies strict portion control is the key to the highway, any highway going anywhere.  If you don’t know where you’re going any road will get you there. ///////////////////////////////////////////////// I found this at: http://www.swin.edu.au/victims/resources/assessment/affect/bdi.html I posted this because I often wondered what accumulation of charactersistics determine whether a person is really Clinically depressd or not.  I am not, by the way -cactus jammies- Beck Depression Inventory (BDI) The BDI questionnaire is copyrighted by The Psychological Corporation. Material presented here is for educational and reference purposes and (as stated at the footer of every page of this web and applicable to every questionnaire) should only be used by registered professionals who understand the administration and uses of the material. PLEASE READ THIS: If you want a copy of the BDI or any further information on it please direct them to The Psychological Corporation. Please don’t send me any more emails about the BDI – I currently ignore about 10 a week. Sorry to be so strict – but I put these free pages up for people’s information, not as a career move. Devised By: The original version of the BDI was introduced by Beck, Ward, Mendelson, Mock & Erbaugh in 1961. The BDI was revised in 1971 and made copyright in 1978 (Groth-Marnat, 1990). Both the original and revised versions have been found to be highly correlated (.94; Lightfoot & Oliver, 1985 cited in Groth-Marnat, 1990). Type of Instrument: The BDI is a 21 item self-report rating inventory measuring characteristic attitudes and symptoms of depression (Beck et al., 1961). The BDI has been developed in different forms including several computerized forms, a card form (May, Urquhart, Tarran, 1969, cited in Groth-Marnat, 1990); the 13-item short form and the more recent BDI-11 by Beck, Steer & Brown, 1996 (see Steer, Rissmiller and Beck , 2000 for information on the clinical utility of the BDI-11). Description: The BDI is a self-administered 21 item self-report scale measuring supposed manifestations of depression. The BDI takes approximately10 minutes to complete, although clients require a fifth – sixth grade reading age to adequately understand the questions (Groth-Marnat, 1990). Reliability   Internal consistency for the BDI ranges from .73 to .92 with a mean of .86. (Beck, Steer, & Garbin, 1988). Similar reliabilities have been found for the 13-item short form (Groth-Marnat, 1990). The BDI demonstrates high internal consistency, with alpha coefficients of .86 and .81 for psychiatric and non-psychiatric populations, respectively (Beck et al.,1988). Split-half / Cronbach’s Alpha: The BDI has a split-half reliability co-efficient of .93. Test-Retest Reliability: Beck et al., (1961) did not recommend conventional test-retest reliability for his original measures for the BDI (1961). Beck suggested that if the BDI was re-administered within a short interval then scores could be spuriously inflated due to memory factors. If the test was re-administered after a long interval then consistency would be lower due to the intensity of depression. Alternate test-retest reliability methods by Beck et al., (1961) found that regardless of whether the 2 tests were reissued at 2 or 6 weeks intervals the scores on the inventory tended to reflect changes in the clinical depth of depression. However, Groth-Marnat (1990) reported that re-test reliabilities ranged from .48 to .86, depending on the interval between re-testing and type of population. Alternate Form Reliability: Correlation’s between the 21 item and 13-item short form have ranged from .89 to .97 indicating that the short form is an acceptable substitute for the long form (Beck, Rial, & Rickels, 1974). However, readers are drawn to the possible "sins" of short form development (Smith, McCarthy & Anderson, 2000). Inter-rater Reliability: Beck, et al., (1961) reported that inter-rater reliability was not appropriate for the BDI. See Beck et al. (1961) for details. Validity & Factor Analysis   A meta-analyses of studies on the revised BDI’s psychometric properties by Richter, Werner, Heerlim, Kraus, & Sauer (1998) report advantages with the revised BDI’s high content validity, and validity in differentiating between depressed and non-depressed people. Beck, Steer and Garbin (1988) reported that the revised BDI has been found to include three to seven factors, depending on the method of factor extraction. These include factors that reflect negative attitudes towards self, performance impairment and somatic disturbances, as well as a general factor of depression (Brown, Schulberg & Madonia 1995). Criterion (or Predictive) Validity: The BDI has been able to discriminate the level of adjustment in seventh-graders (Albert & Beck, 1975 as cited in Groth-Marnat, 1990). Content Validity: The content of the BDI was obtained by consensus from clinicians regarding symptoms of depressed patients (Beck et al., 1961). The revised BDI items are consistent with six of the nine DSM-111 categories for the diagnosis of depression (Groth-Marnat, 1990). Concurrent validity: Correlations with clinician ratings of depression using the revised BDI range from .62 to .66 (Foa, Riggs, Dancu, & Rothbaum, 1993). Clinical ratings for Psychiatric patients are reported as high to moderate ranging from .55 to .96 Man r=.72 (Beck et al., 1988 cited in Groth-Marnat. 1990). Groth-Marnat (1990) reported moderate correlations between the revised BDI and other scales measuring depression such as the Hamilton Psychiatric Rating Scale for Depression (.73) and the Zung Self Reported Depression Scale (.76) and the MMPI Depression Scale (.76). Construct Validity: Groth-Marnat (1990) reported that controversy exists over whether the revised BDI is measuring state or trait variables. Furthermore, it has been suggested that the BDI is not specific to depression, unlike the DASS. Convergent and Discriminant Validity: Discriminant analysis has found that the translated version of the revised BDI highly discriminates depressive symptoms in Spanish (Bonicatto, Dew, Soria (1998) Persian (Hojat, Shapurian, Mehryar (1986) and Chinese speaking people (Skeck (1990). Groth-Marnat (1990) reports that the revised BDI discriminates Psychiatric patients from non-psychiatric patients as well as relatively higher scores for patients with major depressive disorder compared to patients with dysthymic disorders. The revised BDI has also been used to discriminate loneliness, stress and self reported anxiety (Groth-Marnat, 1990). Interpretation: 1. Sadness                              12. Social withdrawal 2. Pessimism                           13. Indecisiveness 3. Sense of failure                   14 Change in body image 4. Dissatisfaction                     15. Retardation 5. Guilt                                    16. Insomnia 6. Expectation of punishment    17. Fatigability 7. Dislike of self                       18. Loss of appetite 8. Self Accusation                    19. Loss of Weight 9. Suicidal ideation                   20. Somatic preoccupation 10. Episodes of crying              21. Low level of energy 11. Irritability Add up the score for each of the twenty-one questions and obtain the total. The highest score on each of the twenty-one questions is three, the highest possible total for the whole test is sixty-three. The lowest possible score for the whole test is zero. Only add one score per question (the highest rated if more than one is circled) Total score Levels of Depression 05 – 09   These ups and downs are considered normal 10 – 18   Mild to moderate depression 19 – 29   Moderate to severe depression 30 – 63   Severe depression Below 4  = Possible denial of depression, faking good; this is below usual scores for normals. Over 40   = This is significantly above even severely depressed persons, suggesting possible exaggeration of depression; possibly characteristic of histrionic or borderline personality disorders. Significant levels of depression are still possible (Groth-Marnat, 1990). Key References: Beck, A.T., Ward, C. H., Mendelson, M., Mock, J., & Erbaugh, J. (1961) An inventory for measuring depression. Archives of General Psychiatry 4, 561-571. Beck, A.T., Rial, W. Y., Rickets, K. (1974). Short form of Depression Inventory: Cross-validation. Psychological-Reports 34 (3), 1184-1186. Beck, A. T., Steer, R..A., Garbin, M.. G., (1988) Psychometric properties of the Beck Depression Inventory: Twenty-five years of evaluation. Clinical Psychology Review 8 (1), 77-100. Bonicatto, S. Dew, A. M., Soria, J. J., (1998). Analysis of the psychometric properties of the Spanish version of the Beck Depression Inventory in Argentina. Psychiatric Research, 79 (3), 277-285. Brown, C., Schulberg, H. C., & Madonia, M. J., (1995). Assessing depression in primary care practice with the Beck Depression Inventory and the Hamilton Rating Scale for Depression. Psychological Assessment 7 (1), 59-65. Foa, E. B., Riggs, Dancu, C. V. S., & Rothbaum B. O., (1993). Reliability and validity of a brief instrument for assessing Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. 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What anti-depressant works best for you? All suggestions welcome please. Collecting for someone too sick to do it himself.

Wellbutrin.  In fact…since I am hypersensitive even off of tx I stayed on it.  All the others made me feel too unlike myself and too sleepy.  I don’t want to not be emotional…I just want to keep my emotions in perspective. Getting giddy over small things is good but getting angry because you broke a glass you bought at the local five and dime is not.   Of course on tx I didn’t need a reason to be angry but even then the wellbutrin really helped. AG

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Celexa was very good to me.  :-) Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum

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Re: suggestions for anti-depressants   Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sat, May 28, 2005, 1:46pm From: elmoemer…@webtv.net Celexa was very good to me. Elmo /////// At least until the whiskey, weed and women got the upper hand.   (yes, Elmo again) http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum

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groovy have a good time whatever  CNS depressant, bfd. cactus jammies <outri…@despammed.com

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>> news:1117287668.657964.293070@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… >> > What anti-depressant works best for you? All suggestions welcome >> > please. Collecting for someone too sick to do it himself. >> > Zee > I don’t dispute your right to use whatever you want, to achieve > whatever you want. But marijuana is a CNS depressant. > Apart from being hair of the dog. > Zee

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What anti-depressant works best for you? All suggestions welcome please. Collecting for someone too sick to do it himself.

Best drug for me during tx: mj baked into brownies.  Took care of the horrible yuck feeling, and erased the riba rage. For the crying, my doc gave me Symbyax.  Combo of Zyprexa and Prozac.   Worked fast, worked well. G

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 outri…@despammed.com wrote:

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I don’t dispute your right to use whatever you want, to achieve whatever you want. But marijuana is a CNS depressant.

That’s true but in the bizarro world of HCV combo treatment – where you’re not really depressed, you have chemically-induced symptoms of depression – marijuana works amazingly well in many people to make them feel a lot better. It’s also sort of rude to ask for information about what works for people and then tell them they’re wrong.  Maybe if you posted a list of what you would consider acceptable answers then no one would waste their or your time by posting something that’s not on it. Gordo

Apart from being hair of the dog.

Not the combo treatment dog, in my experience.

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Hi everyone, I am finding that my lack of flexibility is seriously limiting my exercising ability and restricting my range of motion during yoga.  I want to start a stretching routine with the goal of achieving maximum flexibility in my entire body, but I have some questions first: 1.  How many times per week should I stretch? 2. Is it dangerous to stretch immediately before yoga? 3. Is there a good book that gives a stretching routine for all the important muscle groups?  The more comprehensive info I have the better. Thanks for the help, Wahooka the Great

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Smile , Streech everytime you awake from a nap or sleep especialy a sleep…j

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hatha yoga is good as stretching exercises. now if hatha yoga is what you are doing stretching for, then you got a problem. that is, you can’t hatha yoga before you hatha yoga. if hatha yoga is your primary yoga, then you might want to do something like pilates. you should stretch everyday. several times a day. else, only your lazy self will get enlightened. you will become a sloth buddha. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone, I am finding that my lack of flexibility is seriously limiting my exercising ability and restricting my range of motion during yoga.  I want to start a stretching routine with the goal of achieving maximum flexibility in my entire body, but I have some questions first: 1.  How many times per week should I stretch? 2. Is it dangerous to stretch immediately before yoga? 3. Is there a good book that gives a stretching routine for all the important muscle groups?  The more comprehensive info I have the better.

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Hello Wahooka: My dear if you want to carry out yoga you have to do 3 stretching all together: 1- MIND STRETCHING  (Meditation) 2- BREATH STRETCHING (PRANAYAMA) 3- MUSCLE STRETCHING (ASANA) Do these 3 action togetheryou will see that you will be doing better and better. With compassion, Puma – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone, I am finding that my lack of flexibility is seriously limiting my exercising ability and restricting my range of motion during yoga.  I want to start a stretching routine with the goal of achieving maximum flexibility in my entire body, but I have some questions first: 1.  How many times per week should I stretch? 2. Is it dangerous to stretch immediately before yoga? 3. Is there a good book that gives a stretching routine for all the important muscle groups?  The more comprehensive info I have the better. Thanks for the help, Wahooka the Great

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Hi Wakooka, It is ok to stretch before yoga. It loosens your muscles for a better yoga. Generally a gentle jogging to warm up your body and stretching of hands, rotation of shoulders, twisting of waist and stretching of legs are fine. But the important point is you shouldn’t be tired before you start yoga. In such cases, do a ShaVaaSana to stabilize your body. Regards, -sas

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Hi everyone, I am finding that my lack of flexibility is seriously limiting my exercising ability and restricting my range of motion during yoga.

This is why many students use props in their asana practice.  If your teacher is not teaching you how to use props to get proper alignment in the poses  I would look for another teacher. It may be that you are throwing yourself out of alignment to attain asanas that more flexible people can do with no trouble.  The result is that you could do serious damage to your spine. For example, You may not be able to do a forward bend (touching hands to the floor) without straining your back.  This is because the pelvis is not flexible.  In this case it is better to do the asana with proper attention to alignment (Straight legs and straight back) but not to reach to the floor but use a window sill or a chair. With time the props can be lowered.  And eventually they will not be necessary.  I want to start a stretching routine with the goal of achieving maximum flexibility in my entire body, but I have some questions first: 1.  How many times per week should I stretch?

In the morning, afternoon and evening.  Stretching is an excellent habit.  Animals do it by instinct.  We need to be reminded.  Stretching when the muscles are cold requires some care.  But it is possible to warm up the muscles with stretching.  Stretching after at least 5 minutes of rigorous movement is better. 2. Is it dangerous to stretch immediately before yoga?

I do not understand what kind of yoga you practice.  Asanas are a form of stretching.  Your asana practice should be designed so that you get maximum benefit from the experience. You questions lead me to think you have a very poor yoga teacher.  It may be you are taking a very aerobic form of Asana practice that uses jumpings – like Astanga or Bikram yoga. If this is the case, it is advisable to get a strong foundation in asana practice from a form like Iyengar, Anasura or Pheonix Rising.   After learning alignment and how to modify the practice for your body, then you may go back to the rigorous forms.  With proper education you will know how to avoid injuries. I am forever running into people who hurt themselves practicing these more advanced forms without the benefits of the basics. 3. Is there a good book that gives a stretching routine for all the important muscle groups?  The more comprehensive info I have the better.

"Yoga the Path to Holistic Health" by BKS Iyengar.  It has all the stretches as well as an excellent guide to using props. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0789471655/qid=11049856… Thanks Thanks for the help, Wahooka the Great

I hope this helps. — ~Stu

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I figured I would receive the best advise here ) I’m a newbie to this board and it’s been awhile since I posted on Google. I’m in the process of loosing weight (I have already lost 20 lbs, another 25 lbs to go!), but I am in a quandry in what to do.  In the past, I’ve practised hatha yoga and running.  Needless to say, (silly me) I took five years off from health eating and exercising, hence my current weight problem.  I’m currently a member of Weight Watchers. Although WW has worked very well for me so far, I know I do need to start incorporating exercising to excel my efforts in loosing my remaining 25 lbs. I’ve been reading many articles about Bikram Yoga and there is a Bikram Yoga Center where I live (Westchester County NY).  However, my research had found that those who tried Bikram either swore by this method or hated it. I’m also concerned about staying a very warm room for 90 minutes. However, several articles I read had noted Bikram to be very effective for weight loss and a good form of aerobic exercise. I was also a member of NYSC a few years back.  NYSC offers several yoga and pilates classes.  So here is my dilema:  what would be best for me to join?  A gym which also offers yoga, or join a yoga center which strictly dedicates itself to yoga and meditation?  Can one receive an aerobic workwout from yoga alone? Do instructors hired by gyms who teach yoga really know what they are doing? I would appreciate some thoughts and opinions from those who may belong to gyms and are yoga enthusiasts. Thanks in advance. Cheers, Tess

Howdy Tess! You never made a direct statement re: your objectives. If you are taking yoga class just for exercise than I’d say do whichever is cheapest and/or most convenient.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The advantage of the gym is that you can take advantage of the many forms of aerobics offered.  Classes, stair climbers, swimming.   Sometimes having a variety is good because it is less boring.  Don’t forget the benefits of free weights practiced mindfully. Gentle Hatha yoga of course will nicely compliment rigourous exercise programs. Stu: Thank you for taking the time in reading my post and posting a reply. I’ve read a couple of your posts in the past when I was trying to find more information regarding Bikram.  I have to ask, what are the risks in studying this method of yoga? I have heard some stories and warning with respect to the heated rooms used during Bikram’s sessions.  What other risks are involved?  I’m curious in trying Bikram, however, the more I read, the more I think I should stay clear. Thanks again. Tess

I can offer a personal experience.  I’m 28 years old, a reasonably healthy creature, a beginner at yoga, but not too out of shape.  I had chest pains for two days after taking a Bikram yoga class.  And it wasn’t that the exercises were so strenuous – I can handle a normal yoga class with no ill effects – it was just the heat.  For what it’s worth. LM

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have taken classes from Bikram himself in Beverly Hills many  years ago. His classes are rigourous and one size fits all.  The vast majority of the  people who took the classes were fit young people with no ailments and loved his style.  I know several people who have been practicing this routine for 15 years or more with no problems. I, however have a back condition.  Bikram insisted I work through the pain.  The pain got worse.  I quit taking from Bikram.  I am glad I was given good advice on how to modify asanas for my own condition from a yoga therapist.  Since taking his class I have been taking classes from Iyengar certified instructors.  It is almost a monthly event now to meet new students who come away from Bikram or Power yoga classes with injuries. One of the problem with Bikram’s method is the scant training the teachers get.  Bikram’s teacher training is for two months.   http://www.bikramyoga.com/training.htm  The teachers are not required to be able to do all the asanas they teach.  Compare that to Iyengar Certification that takes 2 years, requires anatomy and pathology classes, for begining teachers.  After the two years the teacher is then supervised for another year, and required to meet with senior teachers at regular intervals for the rest of their career.   http://www.iyengar-yoga.com/Teacher_Training/ The Senior Iyengar teachers have more rigourous training and if you get a chance to take a workshop  with these people, believe me it is a wonderful experience.

I’ve come to Iyengar yoga for the same reason.  I actually take classes at the teacher-training institute in the area, and they are wonderful.  In all the other styles of yoga I’ve tried, the teacher never corrected me – even when I was doing the asana absolutely wrong.  In fact, no actual instruction took place (as in "your arm should be here, your leg should be here, your other leg should be bent like that, etc.")  The Iyengar teacher actually showed us the asana before telling us to do it, explained how to do it, what it does to the body, how to modify it if you’re not too flexible or have a problem of some kind, etc.  It’s great. LM

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I figured I would receive the best advise here ) I’m a newbie to this board and it’s been awhile since I posted on Google. I’m in the process of loosing weight (I have already lost 20 lbs, another 25 lbs to go!), but I am in a quandry in what to do.  In the past, I’ve practised hatha yoga and running.  Needless to say, (silly me) I took five years off from health eating and exercising, hence my current weight problem.  I’m currently a member of Weight Watchers. Although WW has worked very well for me so far, I know I do need to start incorporating exercising to excel my efforts in loosing my remaining 25 lbs. I’ve been reading many articles about Bikram Yoga and there is a Bikram Yoga Center where I live (Westchester County NY).  However, my research had found that those who tried Bikram either swore by this method or hated it. I’m also concerned about staying a very warm room for 90 minutes. However, several articles I read had noted Bikram to be very effective for weight loss and a good form of aerobic exercise. I was also a member of NYSC a few years back.  NYSC offers several yoga and pilates classes.  So here is my dilema:  what would be best for me to join?  A gym which also offers yoga, or join a yoga center which strictly dedicates itself to yoga and meditation?  Can one receive an aerobic workwout from yoga alone? Do instructors hired by gyms who teach yoga really know what they are doing? I would appreciate some thoughts and opinions from those who may belong to gyms and are yoga enthusiasts. Thanks in advance. Cheers, Tess

Tess, the answer to your question depends on what you want to accomplish. If you are only interested in stretching exercises, then the gym is your answer as it will be more cost effective and you can come and go as you like. However, if you are really interested in yoga and the change of lifestyle that comes with a different way of approaching your daily life, then find a good yoga studio. You might have to search around a bit, but it will be worth it in the long run. I’d suggest looking in to Anusara studios. David

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The advantage of the gym is that you can take advantage of the many forms of aerobics offered.  Classes, stair climbers, swimming.   Sometimes having a variety is good because it is less boring.  Don’t forget the benefits of free weights practiced mindfully. Gentle Hatha yoga of course will nicely compliment rigourous exercise programs. Stu: Thank you for taking the time in reading my post and posting a reply. I’ve read a couple of your posts in the past when I was trying to find more information regarding Bikram.  I have to ask, what are the risks in studying this method of yoga? I have heard some stories and warning with respect to the heated rooms used during Bikram’s sessions.  What other risks are involved?  I’m curious in trying Bikram, however, the more I read, the more I think I should stay clear. Thanks again. Tess

I have taken classes from Bikram himself in Beverly Hills many  years ago. His classes are rigourous and one size fits all.  The vast majority of the  people who took the classes were fit young people with no ailments and loved his style.  I know several people who have been practicing this routine for 15 years or more with no problems. I, however have a back condition.  Bikram insisted I work through the pain.  The pain got worse.  I quit taking from Bikram.  I am glad I was given good advice on how to modify asanas for my own condition from a yoga therapist.  Since taking his class I have been taking classes from Iyengar certified instructors.  It is almost a monthly event now to meet new students who come away from Bikram or Power yoga classes with injuries. One of the problem with Bikram’s method is the scant training the teachers get.  Bikram’s teacher training is for two months.   http://www.bikramyoga.com/training.htm  The teachers are not required to be able to do all the asanas they teach.  Compare that to Iyengar Certification that takes 2 years, requires anatomy and pathology classes, for begining teachers.  After the two years the teacher is then supervised for another year, and required to meet with senior teachers at regular intervals for the rest of their career.   http://www.iyengar-yoga.com/Teacher_Training/ The Senior Iyengar teachers have more rigourous training and if you get a chance to take a workshop  with these people, believe me it is a wonderful experience. So does that mean that Bikram style yoga is bad?  No.  Different teachers bring different gifts to the table.  And because his training is so weak, many of his teachers rely on other schools to fill the gaps. My recommendation is that you take a Bikram class, or more, from different teachers and see if it is something you like. And just like any thing else, use healthy skepticism to evaluate your progess with the program.  And if you are having any pains of feel you are doing something that may be causing damage, take it to a third party for evaluation. _____ ~Stu

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I figured I would receive the best advise here ) I’m a newbie to this board and it’s been awhile since I posted on Google. I’m in the process of loosing weight (I have already lost 20 lbs, another 25 lbs to go!), but I am in a quandry in what to do.  In the past, I’ve practised hatha yoga and running.  Needless to say, (silly me) I took five years off from health eating and exercising, hence my current weight problem.  I’m currently a member of Weight Watchers. Although WW has worked very well for me so far, I know I do need to start incorporating exercising to excel my efforts in loosing my remaining 25 lbs. I’ve been reading many articles about Bikram Yoga and there is a Bikram Yoga Center where I live (Westchester County NY).  However, my research had found that those who tried Bikram either swore by this method or hated it. I’m also concerned about staying a very warm room for 90 minutes. However, several articles I read had noted Bikram to be very effective for weight loss and a good form of aerobic exercise. I was also a member of NYSC a few years back.  NYSC offers several yoga and pilates classes.  So here is my dilema:  what would be best for me to join?  A gym which also offers yoga, or join a yoga center which strictly dedicates itself to yoga and meditation?  Can one receive an aerobic workwout from yoga alone? Do instructors hired by gyms who teach yoga really know what they are doing? I would appreciate some thoughts and opinions from those who may belong to gyms and are yoga enthusiasts. Thanks in advance. Cheers, Tess

You can ask the instructors at the gym what their credentials are. At my local Y, there are numerous yoga teachers who have been teaching outside the Y for many years, while some are staff fitness instructors who have picked up a yoga teachers certificate because of yogas recent popularity. bonus of a gym is opportunity to experience a variety of yoga styles. make sure to try some Iyengar style classes.

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I figured I would receive the best advise here ) I’m a newbie to this board and it’s been awhile since I posted on Google. I’m in the process of loosing weight (I have already lost 20 lbs, another 25 lbs to go!), but I am in a quandry in what to do.  In the past, I’ve practised hatha yoga and running.  Needless to say, (silly me) I took five years off from health eating and exercising, hence my current weight problem.  I’m currently a member of Weight Watchers. Although WW has worked very well for me so far, I know I do need to start incorporating exercising to excel my efforts in loosing my remaining 25 lbs. I’ve been reading many articles about Bikram Yoga and there is a Bikram Yoga Center where I live (Westchester County NY).  However, my research had found that those who tried Bikram either swore by this method or hated it. I’m also concerned about staying a very warm room for 90 minutes. However, several articles I read had noted Bikram to be very effective for weight loss and a good form of aerobic exercise. I was also a member of NYSC a few years back.  NYSC offers several yoga and pilates classes.  So here is my dilema:  what would be best for me to join?  A gym which also offers yoga, or join a yoga center which strictly dedicates itself to yoga and meditation?  Can one receive an aerobic workwout from yoga alone? Do instructors hired by gyms who teach yoga really know what they are doing? I would appreciate some thoughts and opinions from those who may belong to gyms and are yoga enthusiasts. Thanks in advance. Cheers, Tess

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I figured I would receive the best advise here ) I’m a newbie to this board and it’s been awhile since I posted on Google. I’m in the process of loosing weight (I have already lost 20 lbs, another 25 lbs to go!), but I am in a quandry in what to do.  In the past, I’ve practised hatha yoga and running.  Needless to say, (silly me) I took five years off from health eating and exercising, hence my current weight problem.  I’m currently a member of Weight Watchers. Although WW has worked very well for me so far, I know I do need to start incorporating exercising to excel my efforts in loosing my remaining 25 lbs. I’ve been reading many articles about Bikram Yoga and there is a Bikram Yoga Center where I live (Westchester County NY).  However, my research had found that those who tried Bikram either swore by this method or hated it. I’m also concerned about staying a very warm room for 90 minutes. However, several articles I read had noted Bikram to be very effective for weight loss and a good form of aerobic exercise. I was also a member of NYSC a few years back.  NYSC offers several yoga and pilates classes.  So here is my dilema:  what would be best for me to join?

I would stay away from Bikram classes because  the teachers are not well trained in pathology.  However it doesn’t hurt to take a few classes and see if it works for you. There is an aerobic benefit to Bikram’s classes.  And you may be in that group that likes this style.   A gym which also offers yoga, or join a yoga center which strictly dedicates itself to yoga and meditation?

More often then not yoga teachers in a gym are not that well trained.   You are more likely to find better trained teachers in a dedicated studio.  But there are exceptions to the rule. The advantage of the gym is that you can take advantage of the many forms of aerobics offered.  Classes, stair climbers, swimming.   Sometimes having a variety is good because it is less boring.  Don’t forget the benefits of free weights practiced mindfully. Gentle Hatha yoga of course will nicely compliment rigourous exercise programs.   Can one receive an aerobic workwout from yoga alone?

Yes.  In my experience though the disipline of yoga is best done at home alone.  And I find it difficult to push myself to practice as hard as one does in a Power Yoga or Bikram class. For aerobic benefits I prefer running, nordic track and swimming.  Do instructors hired by gyms who teach yoga really know what they are doing?

There is no certification required.  Much like Bikram’s teachers.  In fact, the only rigorous certification required for yoga teachers comes from Pheonix Rising and Iyengar organizations.  I would appreciate some thoughts and opinions from those who may belong to gyms and are yoga enthusiasts.

My best advise is to separate yoga from sport.  Sport is all about loosing weight, toning up, and cardiovascular health.  Yoga is a discipline designed to enliven the spirit and quelle the chatter of the mind.  The health benefits are a side effect. You may want to look for Iyengar certified hatha yoga teachers at http://www.iynaus.org/search/index.asp.  They are generally well trained. Thanks in advance. Cheers, Tess

– _____ ~Stu

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The advantage of the gym is that you can take advantage of the many forms of aerobics offered.  Classes, stair climbers, swimming.   Sometimes having a variety is good because it is less boring.  Don’t forget the benefits of free weights practiced mindfully. Gentle Hatha yoga of course will nicely compliment rigourous exercise programs.

Stu: Thank you for taking the time in reading my post and posting a reply. I’ve read a couple of your posts in the past when I was trying to find more information regarding Bikram.  I have to ask, what are the risks in studying this method of yoga? I have heard some stories and warning with respect to the heated rooms used during Bikram’s sessions.  What other risks are involved?  I’m curious in trying Bikram, however, the more I read, the more I think I should stay clear. Thanks again. Tess

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Hi Tess, Join the gym. Take as many yoga classes as you can. I take 3 a week at my gym. Actually at a gym it tends to be more active. It is like an ashtanga/iyengar style with lots of sun salutations and downward dogs so i have gotten pretty strong from it. i used to do curves and i’m doing much better in terms of developing physical strength, flexibility, and balance with the yoga. Now I have one yoga instructor on Friday who I really love. She’s very knowledgable, dedicated. The other two aren’t so great but ya know the yoga speaks for itself. I lost close to 80 lbs in 2003 and it’s been wonderful to be a normal weight. I couldn’t do yoga so well when I was heavier. It’s much easier for me. Now curves kind of helped me to lose the weight in the right places. I was forced to admit i was powerless over food so I joined food addicts in recovery. see I was all dieted out. nothing worked so i have greatly benefitted from this great 12-step fellowship and it has complemented my yoga very nicely. ref: http://www.foodaddicts.org/ i wouldn’t do the bikram yoga. it may be too hard on your body. also it’s more repetitive than i like. i feel i get a good workout with the yoga i take  at the gym plus it’s more affordable and i can take more classes. seeking

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It is not like this has been explained before. The people who set up this group felt that there were already enough diet group out there. This group was intended as a place where fat people could talk about the issues of getting on with life as a fat person-not encouraging weight gain as the idiots claim. There are support groups for all kinds of issues-even illegal ones, yet the fat people are denied the right to have an unmoderated groups of their own. That is where I come in. I jump in and treat the trolls with as vile retaliation as I can come up with so they know that there is at least one person who is not afraid to call them and their intentions for what they are-verbal diarrhea. Note that only the idiots will insult me back and that is OK. They have been identified an that other idiots and the good lurkers who watch the battle will see them for what they are…fecal material. LV Lady Veteran "I rode a tank and held a general’s rank when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank…" – -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil People who hide behind anonymous remailers and ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no motive but malice. "To Do Is To Be" Socrates "To Be Is To Do" Plato "Do Be Do Be Do" Sinatra —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: PGP 8.0 – not licensed for commercial use: www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBQH/kmukoPZAZfLgsEQK6swCg0ENlVmCV8oeL8cTsatcEt2qXlYIAoPOs FK2gIhXlr1qV9vyircTPEPW1 =o2xT —–END PGP SIGNATURE—–

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10 friendly reminders for the low-carb dieter   By Susan Woodward Considering entering The Zone? Tempted by the shiny cover and celebrity of The South Beach Diet? Going low-carb to lose weight and get healthy is working for many. Here?s what you should know. 1. Research your options "Controlled carb is not for everyone," says Colette Heimowitz, a spokeswoman for Atkins Nutritionals, Inc. "It?s for those who have failed at low fat, low calorie. It should be a viable, healthy option, not the only option." Enough said.

Those who have failed at low-fat/low-calorie are approx. 98% of those who try to lose weight that way. LC is a viable, healthy option. It is also pretty much the only option that has been shown to work. TC

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ——BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 spewed forth: —–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 will somebody make my day – undoubtedly – by cluing me in to what SSFA stands for ….. I recognize I might regret asking. Sioc.support.fat.acceptance. The people in this group are not bothering anyone. An idiot has decided to include us in your weight loss discussion. We are not interested in any weight loss articles. Wow.  One would think fat people would *definitely* be interested. No, I’m not just flaming here, I am sincerely curious.  Why would someone be more interested in "fat acceptance" at terrible cost to their health than actually losing it ? It is not like this has been explained before. The people who set up this group felt that there were already enough diet group out there. This group was intended as a place where fat people could talk about the issues of getting on with life as a fat person-not encouraging weight gain as the idiots claim. There are support groups for all kinds of issues-even illegal ones, yet the fat people are denied the right to have an unmoderated groups of their own.

This ain’t a civil rights movement Dumbass. Fat people aren’t an oppressed minority you deluded idiot. It’s freaking usenet. All kinds of groups get overrun by trolls. The fact that this one is devoid of any discussion of fat acceptance is two fold: A – It’s a mornonic concept, that many find bizarre and amusing B – You never learned to shut up. Thank yourself for running off anyone interested in conversation. That is where I come in. I jump in and treat the trolls with as vile retaliation as I can come up with so they know that there is at least one person who is not afraid to call them and their intentions for what they are-verbal diarrhea.

All you’ve taught them is that there is one big mouthed dumbass that can always be counted on for a laugh. They come here *because* of your hilarious attempts at flaming. Note that only the idiots will insult me back and that is OK. They have been identified an that other idiots and the good lurkers who watch the battle will see them for what they are…fecal material. LV

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA! Man, you have to be a really good troll. Nobody is this stupid. Bro

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I will remind people that if they wish to discuss fat-acceptance without the intrusion of idiots like the one quoted below, newsgroup soc.support.fat-acceptance.moderated was created for precisely that purpose. Priscilla – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – —–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 spewed forth: —–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 will somebody make my day – undoubtedly – by cluing me in to what SSFA stands for ….. I recognize I might regret asking. Sioc.support.fat.acceptance. The people in this group are not bothering anyone. An idiot has decided to include us in your weight loss discussion. We are not interested in any weight loss articles. Wow.  One would think fat people would *definitely* be interested. No, I’m not just flaming here, I am sincerely curious.  Why would someone be more interested in "fat acceptance" at terrible cost to their health than actually losing it ? It is not like this has been explained before. The people who set up this group felt that there were already enough diet group out there. This group was intended as a place where fat people could talk about the issues of getting on with life as a fat person-not encouraging weight gain as the idiots claim. There are support groups for all kinds of issues-even illegal ones, yet the fat people are denied the right to have an unmoderated groups of their own. This ain’t a civil rights movement Dumbass. Fat people aren’t an oppressed minority you deluded idiot. It’s freaking usenet. All kinds of groups get overrun by trolls. The fact that this one is devoid of any discussion of fat acceptance is two fold: A – It’s a mornonic concept, that many find bizarre and amusing B – You never learned to shut up. Thank yourself for running off anyone interested in conversation. That is where I come in. I jump in and treat the trolls with as vile retaliation as I can come up with so they know that there is at least one person who is not afraid to call them and their intentions for what they are-verbal diarrhea. All you’ve taught them is that there is one big mouthed dumbass that can always be counted on for a laugh. They come here *because* of your hilarious attempts at flaming. Note that only the idiots will insult me back and that is OK. They have been identified an that other idiots and the good lurkers who watch the battle will see them for what they are…fecal material. LV HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA! Man, you have to be a really good troll. Nobody is this stupid. Bro

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LC is a viable, healthy option. It is also pretty much the only option that has been shown to work. You could have fooled me.  I’ve lost 108 lbs. on a low calorie diet.

Well, you have me beat.  I only lost about 80 pounds… — jmk in NC

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I will remind people that if they wish to discuss fat-acceptance without the intrusion of idiots like the one quoted below, newsgroup soc.support.fat-acceptance.moderated was created for precisely that purpose. Priscilla

Bobbi is not wanted there and she knows it. Bro

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And me.. -65lbs on low cal/carb Susan 260/195/140

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – LC is a viable, healthy option. It is also pretty much the only option that has been shown to work. You could have fooled me.  I’ve lost 108 lbs. on a low calorie diet. Well, you have me beat.  I only lost about 80 pounds… — jmk in NC

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Everyone? Are you really that stupid?

Everyone fails at "low calorie low fat" diets even if they lose weight because they push blood lipids and many other metabolic indicators in the wrong direction and increase heart attack risk factors.  Here’s a good example of a study showing this:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – stract&list_uids=9094889 — Jenny  - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.4. Cut the carbs to respond to my  email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit  http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm 10 friendly reminders for the low-carb dieter By Susan Woodward Considering entering The Zone? Tempted by the shiny cover and celebrity of The South Beach Diet? Going low-carb to lose weight and get healthy is working for many. Here’s what you should know. 1. Research your options "Controlled carb is not for everyone," says Colette Heimowitz, a spokeswoman for Atkins Nutritionals, Inc. "It’s for those who have failed at low fat, low calorie. It should be a viable, healthy option, not the only option." Enough said. 2. Understand your plan Translation: read the book. Most low-carb diets champion a balance of healthy foods. Yes, meat and fats are among them. But people who go it alone and consume high levels of these foods at the expense of other foods eventually endanger their health. 3. Eat high-quality proteins There’s no question that non-factory beef and chicken are healthier protein products. They’re also more costly. At the very least, avoid fast food. "You don’t want to eat this mystery meat road kill that’s in McDonald’s – you really don’t," says Jonny Bowden, clinical nutritionist and author of Living the Low Carb Life. 4. Don’t forget your vegetables Let’s shatter a myth: Low-carb equals high protein, which means meat, not vegetables. Uh-uh. Sorry, vegetables are a great source of.guess what? Low carbs. "Vegetables, vegetables, vegetables," says Georgia Kostas, director of nutrition at The Cooper Institute, for their incredible disease-fighting sources of phytonutrients, antioxidants, vitamins, minerals and fiber. Again, go for organic if you can afford it. 5. Drink water Lots and lots and lots of it. Protein breaks down into byproducts that should be flushed from your body for good health. Take your weight, divide it by two, and that’s the number of ounces you need to consume per day, advises Bowden. 6. Be aware of electrolytes Got leg cramps? If you’re in the middle of the early, especially restrictive stages of a low-carb regiment you may well be depleted of vital minerals, such as potassium, calcium and magnesium. The simple solution: Take a couple of potassium supplements with your meals. Or, if your diet permits, down a banana. 7. Check your weight-loss expectations You may lose a significant chunk of mass in the first couple of weeks of a low-carb plan. But no diet worth its reputation promises the same speedy rate will continue. Experts agree paring one to two pounds per week is a reasonable expectation. 8. Move your body Exercise is not a significant focus in many low-carb plans, yet its benefits for weight loss and as a cancer and heart disease deterrent are undisputed. "I’ve never known anyone who can keep the weight off if they don’t exercise," says Kostas. 9. Keep up your commitment The key to success is the ability to embrace low-carb as a lifestyle. Remember, you’re not committing to a quick-fix way to zip up your jeans. The goal is to replace your old eating habits with the permanent consumption of whole foods. And that equates to a healthy weight for life. 10. Do you need your doc? A physician’s green light is not necessary for the average, disease-free person before embarking on a low-carb diet, assures Dr. Louis Aronne, director of the Comprehensive Weight Control Program at Weill Medical College. Susan Woodward is a native Australian who traded netball and surfing for Bikram yoga and snowboarding when she moved to the United States 10 years ago. She has written extensively for MSN, WebMD and the Los Angeles Times.

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LC is a viable, healthy option. It is also pretty much the only option that has been shown to work.

You could have fooled me.  I’ve lost 108 lbs. on a low calorie diet. Chris 262/154/ (145-150)

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spewed forth: —–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 will somebody make my day – undoubtedly – by cluing me in to what SSFA stands for ….. I recognize I might regret asking. Sioc.support.fat.acceptance. The people in this group are not bothering anyone. An idiot has decided to include us in your weight loss discussion. We are not interested in any weight loss articles.

Wow.  One would think fat people would *definitely* be interested. No, I’m not just flaming here, I am sincerely curious.  Why would someone be more interested in "fat acceptance" at terrible cost to their health than actually losing it ? —  Pink Floyd on Video   –   http://pfov.frostwarning.com/  To e-mail me, nevermind the BOLLOCKS    |    Yar.  FOAD. "What are you! Acting like a friend but really being a spy!" Floyd Code : v1.2a r FU 0/0/r FD 0- 0 Animals/WYWH 49 407 28.3% <11jan04

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Everyone? Are you really that stupid? Everyone fails at "low calorie low fat" diets even if they lose weight because they push blood lipids and many other metabolic indicators in the wrong direction and increase heart attack risk factors.  Here’s a good example of a study showing this:

<snip Want the short answer, JC? Yes.  She is that stupid. — Nani

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Everyone? Are you really that stupid? Everyone fails at "low calorie low fat" diets even if they lose weight because they push blood lipids and many other metabolic indicators in the wrong direction and increase heart attack risk factors.  Here’s a good example of a study showing this: <snip Want the short answer, JC? Yes.  She is that stupid.

It’s hard to believe anyone could be that stupid, but there you have it.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Everyone? Are you really that stupid? Everyone fails at "low calorie low fat" diets even if they lose weight because they push blood lipids and many other metabolic indicators in the wrong direction and increase heart attack risk factors.  Here’s a good example of a study showing this: <snip Want the short answer, JC? Yes.  She is that stupid. It’s hard to believe anyone could be that stupid, but there you have it.

Yes, there it is.  Staring us all in the face.  Like a big, fat, stinky turd in the toilet bowl of life when it’s clogged…. — Nani

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 10 friendly reminders for the low-carb dieter   By Susan Woodward Considering entering The Zone? Tempted by the shiny cover and celebrity of The South Beach Diet? Going low-carb to lose weight and get healthy is working for many. Here?s what you should know. 1. Research your options "Controlled carb is not for everyone," says Colette Heimowitz, a spokeswoman for Atkins Nutritionals, Inc. "It?s for those who have failed at low fat, low calorie. It should be a viable, healthy option, not the only option." Enough said. 2. Understand your plan Translation: read the book. Most low-carb diets champion a balance of healthy foods. Yes, meat and fats are among them. But people who go it alone and consume high levels of these foods at the expense of other foods eventually endanger their health. 3. Eat high-quality proteins There?s no question that non-factory beef and chicken are healthier protein products. They?re also more costly. At the very least, avoid fast food. "You don?t want to eat this mystery meat road kill that?s in McDonald?s ? you really don?t," says Jonny Bowden, clinical nutritionist and author of Living the Low Carb Life. 4. Don?t forget your vegetables Let’s shatter a myth: Low-carb equals high protein, which means meat, not vegetables. Uh-uh. Sorry, vegetables are a great source of?guess what? Low carbs. "Vegetables, vegetables, vegetables," says Georgia Kostas, director of nutrition at The Cooper Institute, for their incredible disease-fighting sources of phytonutrients, antioxidants, vitamins, minerals and fiber. Again, go for organic if you can afford it. 5. Drink water Lots and lots and lots of it. Protein breaks down into byproducts that should be flushed from your body for good health. Take your weight, divide it by two, and that?s the number of ounces you need to consume per day, advises Bowden. 6. Be aware of electrolytes Got leg cramps? If you?re in the middle of the early, especially restrictive stages of a low-carb regiment you may well be depleted of vital minerals, such as potassium, calcium and magnesium. The simple solution: Take a couple of potassium supplements with your meals. Or, if your diet permits, down a banana. 7. Check your weight-loss expectations You may lose a significant chunk of mass in the first couple of weeks of a low-carb plan. But no diet worth its reputation promises the same speedy rate will continue. Experts agree paring one to two pounds per week is a reasonable expectation. 8. Move your body Exercise is not a significant focus in many low-carb plans, yet its benefits for weight loss and as a cancer and heart disease deterrent are undisputed. "I’ve never known anyone who can keep the weight off if they don’t exercise," says Kostas. 9. Keep up your commitment The key to success is the ability to embrace low-carb as a lifestyle. Remember, you?re not committing to a quick-fix way to zip up your jeans. The goal is to replace your old eating habits with the permanent consumption of whole foods. And that equates to a healthy weight for life. 10. Do you need your doc? A physician?s green light is not necessary for the average, disease-free person before embarking on a low-carb diet, assures Dr. Louis Aronne, director of the Comprehensive Weight Control Program at Weill Medical College.

thank you for this article! (: Lynn

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Please ignore Lady Veteran, aka bLobbi, since she is a fat lesbian troll bent on spreading her vile venom across Usenet.  SSFA welcomes ALL weight loss talk and we would love to read your weight loss success stories. Please include SSFA in all of your weight loss postings.  SSFA used to be inhabited by feeders*, but they have all been sent packing with their fat tails between their thunder thighs. *people who engage in intentional weight gain for sexual gratification. NR http://www.pat-acceptance.org/kookrant.html http://www.pat-acceptance.org/kookrant2.html If I catch you busting into a mass and vilifying a church, the last thing you’ll hear in your entire life, will be the ratatatatat of an automatic. – –Steve Chaney to Mark Ira Kaufman Young Mr. Chaney, the man who has told me that he wants to murder me and sodomize women in my family, has said, repeatedly, that advocates for choice had vandalized churches. – –Mark Ira Kaufman she probably has to have her picture taken by satellite because no normal camera can fit all that whale blubber into one picture. – –Steve Chaney Excessively fat women look ugly. It is impractical to try and have sex when she’s 100lbs overweight and the weight is all fat – but most women ain’t that big. – –Steve Chaney You of course do know what a lot of Asian women prefer, right? Besides, after fucking a cute asian chick, experience tells me it isn’t all that except that she looks good on your arm. In bed it ain’t much at all. If the lights go out, any guy whose hormones are more fixed on performance than looks, is going to go to sleep right there and then. – –Steve Chaney Clarice and Allisson were well beyond a BMI of 25 in their pictures where they were called cows. – –Steve Chaney If Dutton knocked on Steve’s door and Steve shot him in the face, I would really not care. – –Crash Street Kidd about Steve Chaney Stephen A Chaney admits to sodomizing his daughter if he forges me now. —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: N/A iQA/AwUBQH8geTL3IlvsWvnjEQLQawCfVOahxASPWaqHvNgnAln4chPa6GEAniLI zYOXqGqYUZkJrhTmgX7TG7qy =Sz4v —–END PGP SIGNATURE—–

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10 friendly reminders for the low-carb dieter   By Susan Woodward Considering entering The Zone? Tempted by the shiny cover and celebrity of The South Beach Diet? Going low-carb to lose weight and get healthy is working for many. Here

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10 friendly reminders for the low-carb dieter   By Susan Woodward Considering entering The Zone? Tempted by the shiny cover and celebrity of The South Beach Diet? Going low-carb to lose weight and get healthy is working for many. Here

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:::: I’ve still got 14lbs to go according to my target, but….. I’m :::: feeling = comfortable now. I’ve got to the size I wanted – US :::: 8-10(UK12) and the = losing is pretty imperceptible now. ::: ::: If you’re comfortable with your size, I suggest you forget about the ::: magic number on the scale. ::: ::: Many people find that after losing on LC, they reach a size they ::: once were at 10 to 15 pounds heavier than before (presumably ::: because of ::: less loss of muscle mass). :: :: Really?  Can anyone else back this up?  I noticed I am fitting into :: smaller sizes than I expected to at my current weight — but I :: thought that sizes were more generous than they were a couple of :: years ago, when I weighed a lot less. :: Yes…..same thing happened to be when I got to 260lbs…I had been at that weight before after losing 100 lbs on LF…so I had clothes for that size. However, this time, once I got to 260 lbs on LC, those same clothes were too big.  I think I retained more (and increased) muscle mass this time, and even those I weighed the same as before, the denser muscle just takes up lesser space than the less dense fat.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Many people find that after losing on LC, they reach a size they once were at 10 to 15 pounds heavier than before (presumably because of less loss of muscle mass). Really?  Can anyone else back this up?  I noticed I am fitting into smaller sizes than I expected to at my current weight — but I thought that sizes were more generous than they were a couple of years ago, when I weighed a lot less. hmmm…  I dunnno but I find myself fitting into some of my old clothes much more comfortably than I used to back in 3 years ago.  and now i still weight about 3 kilos heavier than I used to be back in 3 years ago (I lost 14 kilos in the last 14 months).  hmmm… interesting!!! Forgive me — how many pounds are in a kilo (and if you tell me, finally all

2.2lbs in a kilo

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<snip http://www.onlineconversion.com/

Thanks for this.  My SOGP & I are looking at property, and people are talking in acres.  I needed a translation to square feet.  What’s so great about this site is that I can put in the number of acres and it will give me the total number of square feet.  Yay![1] April. Put out the cat. [1] – I’m a fluffy-bunny arts major – I took the easy science and the easy math.  I like my technical information with training wheels on it.   — "Things that try to look like things often do look more like things than things.  Well known fact." Esmerelda Weatherwax  (Pratchett 1988)

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I have a little freebie program that will convert almost anything to anything, called Versaverter. http://pawprint.net/vv/ Thanks for this.  My SOGP & I are looking at property, and people are talking in acres.  I needed a translation to square feet.  What’s so great about this site is that I can put in the number of acres and it will give me the total number of square feet.  Yay![1] April. Put out the cat. [1] – I’m a fluffy-bunny arts major – I took the easy science and the easy math.  I like my technical information with training wheels on it.   — "Things that try to look like things often do look more like things than things.  Well known fact." Esmerelda Weatherwax  (Pratchett 1988)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Many people find that after losing on LC, they reach a size they once were at 10 to 15 pounds heavier than before (presumably because of less loss of muscle mass). Really?  Can anyone else back this up?  I noticed I am fitting into smaller sizes than I expected to at my current weight — but I thought that sizes were more generous than they were a couple of years ago, when I weighed a lot less. hmmm…  I dunnno but I find myself fitting into some of my old clothes much more comfortably than I used to back in 3 years ago.  and now i still weight about 3 kilos heavier than I used to be back in 3 years ago (I lost 14 kilos in the last 14 months).  hmmm… interesting!!!

Forgive me — how many pounds are in a kilo (and if you tell me, finally all those illegal drug seizure stories will make sense to me!)? — nimue "Because the thing about the Nerds, what made them so appealing, was that not only are they underdogs, they are underdogs who accept other underdogs unconditionally. And that speaks volumes to people." Curtis Armstrong "I don’t understand why you don’t want to see more of Spike.  More Spike makes everything better.  Spike, Spike, Spike, wonderful Spike." Clairel "There are things I will not tolerate: students loitering on campus after school, horrible murders with hearts being removed… and also smoking." Principal Snyder

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Many people find that after losing on LC, they reach a size they once were at 10 to 15 pounds heavier than before (presumably because of less loss of muscle mass). Really?  Can anyone else back this up?  I noticed I am fitting into smaller sizes than I expected to at my current weight — but I thought that sizes were more generous than they were a couple of years ago, when I weighed a lot less. hmmm…  I dunnno but I find myself fitting into some of my old clothes much more comfortably than I used to back in 3 years ago.  and now i still weight about 3 kilos heavier than I used to be back in 3 years ago (I lost 14 kilos in the last 14 months).  hmmm… interesting!!! Forgive me — how many pounds are in a kilo (and if you tell me, finally all those illegal drug seizure stories will make sense to me!)?

http://www.onlineconversion.com/

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Plenty of Pec exercises!!! and the best bras money can buy! How tall are you?

I’m, 5′6 and i don’t know what my shoe size is in US sizes but it’s 4.5 here in the UK – Used to be a 6 but they shrank along with the rest of me!! The ‘flab’ isn’t actually fat anymore but loose skin – gross!! I think it’s shrinking – not because of any toning but I do have good elasticity and plenty of cocoa butter and vitamin-E cream. I was dreading getting wrinkly on my face as it is no longer plumped out but that hasn’t happened. My boyfriend’s quite happy with the way I am now as well but he does keep making comments about bony bits – so I think that may be a subtle hint that he doesn’t want me to go too far as well. I’m just going to keep my carbs to around 50-60 a day and see how it goes. If I keep losing then I’ll stick on another 5. Problem is now I’ve got used to a low carb existence I’m finding it hard to add them in .LOL — Elise 223/154/140 Atkins since 27/03/03 UK http://uk.photos.yahoo.com/elisebutt

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve still got 14lbs to go according to my target, but….. I’m feeling comfortable now. I’ve got to the size I wanted – US 8-10(UK12) and the losing is pretty imperceptible now. I’ll never get smaller on top – there’s just boobs and ribs there now. My arms are still a little flabby but they can be toned with exercise not diet. I’ll never be satisfied with the flabbiness of my tummy, but again exercise should whittle that down over time. I’m going to stay a low-carber for life anyway so it shouldn’t be a problem staying this size. Also I have a feeling my weight is going to go up, from muscle gain. You try climbing 10-11 flights of stairs several times a day, 3 days a week and see if your thighs don’t start to enlarge!!!!( I can’t be bothered to wait for the lift when I have a lecture to get to) So what do you reckon – shall I call it a day for the losing and just concentrate on toning???

Elise, it sounds to me like you’ve already made your decision. It sounds to me like you’re saying I don’t really want to do this anymore, I’m happy where I am, I’m done! However, there are couple of things you might consider. First, even though you’re planning to be a low carber for life, you don’t know if it’s going to be a problem staying your current size until you’ve tried it. Second, I know people say muscle weighs more than fat. But I think I read that, unfortunately, this statement is highly overrated. I’m not sure that climbing the stairs a few times a day is going to up your weight as your leg fat turns into muscle. (It might, so if I’m wrong, I apologize.) Finally, you say you can’t get any smaller on top. Trust me. You can. At one point I thought I couldn’t and then I lost a few more pounds and I did. I was really suprised. I actually liked the smaller shoulders and arms too! Why don’t you ease into maintenance instead of just closing the door to dieting? It’s just a word difference really. Add a few carbs and see what happens. Find out what makes you gain. Find out what makes you sick. Add a few more carbs. Watch the scale. Gauge your energy level. See if you cravings. Maintenance is hard work. Harder than dieting. You’ve worked so hard Elise. I know, becuase I’ve stood in the same doorway you’re in right now. I also know how easy it is for all that work to evaporate. Don’t let that happen. Take a few days off if you must. Then come back to maintenance, sensibly and, well, ploddingly. Add carbs back ever so slowly. You might find you want to go down some more. You might not. Leave the door open. Just my two cents (or pence in your case!) Duffy 182/124 since 12-01-01

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I’ve still got 14lbs to go according to my target, but….. I’m feeling = comfortable now. I’ve got to the size I wanted – US 8-10(UK12) and the = losing is pretty imperceptible now.

If you’re comfortable with your size, I suggest you forget about the magic number on the scale. Many people find that after losing on LC, they reach a size they once were at 10 to 15 pounds heavier than before (presumably because of less loss of muscle mass). —                 "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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I’ve still got 14lbs to go according to my target, but….. I’m feeling = comfortable now. I’ve got to the size I wanted – US 8-10(UK12) and the = losing is pretty imperceptible now. If you’re comfortable with your size, I suggest you forget about the magic number on the scale. Many people find that after losing on LC, they reach a size they once were at 10 to 15 pounds heavier than before (presumably because of less loss of muscle mass).

Really?  Can anyone else back this up?  I noticed I am fitting into smaller sizes than I expected to at my current weight — but I thought that sizes were more generous than they were a couple of years ago, when I weighed a lot less. — nimue "Because the thing about the Nerds, what made them so appealing, was that not only are they underdogs, they are underdogs who accept other underdogs unconditionally. And that speaks volumes to people." Curtis Armstrong "I don’t understand why you don’t want to see more of Spike.  More Spike makes everything better.  Spike, Spike, Spike, wonderful Spike." Clairel "There are things I will not tolerate: students loitering on campus after school, horrible murders with hearts being removed… and also smoking." Principal Snyder

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve still got 14lbs to go according to my target, but….. I’m feeling = comfortable now. I’ve got to the size I wanted – US 8-10(UK12) and the = losing is pretty imperceptible now. If you’re comfortable with your size, I suggest you forget about the magic number on the scale. Many people find that after losing on LC, they reach a size they once were at 10 to 15 pounds heavier than before (presumably because of less loss of muscle mass). Really?  Can anyone else back this up?  I noticed I am fitting into smaller sizes than I expected to at my current weight — but I thought that sizes were more generous than they were a couple of years ago, when I weighed a lot less.

After LC, I fit into *old* clothes at ten pounds heavier than when I wore them before gaining. —                 "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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Many people find that after losing on LC, they reach a size they once were at 10 to 15 pounds heavier than before (presumably because of less loss of muscle mass). Really?  Can anyone else back this up?  I noticed I am fitting into smaller sizes than I expected to at my current weight — but I thought that sizes were more generous than they were a couple of years ago, when I weighed a lot less.

hmmm…  I dunnno but I find myself fitting into some of my old clothes much more comfortably than I used to back in 3 years ago.  and now i still weight about 3 kilos heavier than I used to be back in 3 years ago (I lost 14 kilos in the last 14 months).  hmmm… interesting!!!

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I’m going to stay a low-carber for life anyway so it shouldn’t be a problem staying this size. Also I have a feeling my weight is going to go up, from muscle gain. You try climbing 10-11 flights of stairs several times a day, 3 days a week and see if your thighs don’t start to enlarge!!!!( I can’t be bothered to wait for the lift when I have a lecture to get to) So what do you reckon – shall I call it a day for the losing and just concentrate on toning???

10-11 flights of stairs… I used to do it once or twice a day, 3 days a week, days when I wasn’t teaching.  But that was for training up my lungs – I just started teaching tutorials then and I knew I need that extra bit of stamina to shout loudly, for hours. But climbing stairs won’t do much to your body other than your legs. I suggest that you go swimming (I am a swimming addict).  People says yoga and pilates help to tone the body up, but I haven’t really tried those.  Watch out that you warm up yourself very well before you do yoga, because apparently if you don’t you’ll end up hurting yourself. My friend says bikram yoga is the best.  You do it in a very hot room (37-38c) so no warm up is needed.  The only set back is that the room smells like a wet dog and the heat can be quite intolerable.  If you live near or in London, they do a introductory offer for everyone who has never done yoga before.  For

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Any runners tried Bikram(hot) yoga? They crank the temp to around 105…I tried sat and my hams are still sore…think I will stick with regular yoga…

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Any runners tried Bikram(hot) yoga?

What are you, mental or something? Bill R. 00

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no not too mental…not any more than any other marathoner anyway…

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prozac

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clown

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Any runners tried Bikram(hot) yoga? They crank the temp to around 105…I tried sat and my hams are still sore…think I will stick with regular yoga…

My wife does it and loves it and swears by it. — Josh Steinberg, Syracuse

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And folks say Jacko is weird…..

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Any runners tried Bikram(hot) yoga? They crank the temp to around 105…I tried sat and my hams are still sore…think I will stick with regular yoga…

In what other ways did Bikram differ, other than a higher room temperature?

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similar to Ashtanga.

Ohh that’s nasty one! Get to a Dr right away! Bill R. 00

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No, Bikram is not a flow style. 2 or 3 breaths between each asanas. There’s less upper body work than in a typical Ashtanga class but more balancing asanas. The basic series has also less contortionist stuff than what you do in Ashtanga. I used to practice regularly for 10 months.  I really enjoyed  it but I kept experiencing knee problems when I was running  and doing Bikram yoga 4-5 times a week. Ultimately I found that the 8-10 weeks teacher training and certification process gives them a certain confidence that far outreaches their qualification. Your mileage may vary.   Yves. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In what other ways did Bikram differ, other than a higher room temperature? I could be wrong, but as well as being a hot yoga, I think it is also a flow style… similar to Ashtanga.

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Gimmick!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any runners tried Bikram(hot) yoga? They crank the temp to around 105…I tried sat and my hams are still sore…think I will stick with regular yoga…

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Any runners tried Bikram(hot) yoga? They crank the temp to around 105…I tried sat and my hams are still sore…think I will stick with regular yoga…

To answer your question; no, I’ve never tried it. I have done other types of yoga, though – mainly ashtanga. Maybe since you were trying something new, you did something differently. Did you stretch further than normal? BTW, what is "regular" yoga, in your case? — Harold

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hatha…power or piyo

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The bikram i did had 26 asanas, each one done twice…and held. some where similar like camel, eagle, and such. but definitely not a flow style. finally on wednesday my soreness is gone and i am sure its from streching deeper than normal since your muscles are so warm you can do this.

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hatha…power or piyo

I thought power yoga was a derivation of ashtanga, not hatha. Even though, strictly speaking, ashtanga is a derivation of hatha, I think. What’s piyo yoga? — Harold

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The bikram i did had 26 asanas, each one done twice…and held. some where similar like camel, eagle, and such. but definitely not a flow style. finally on wednesday my soreness is gone and i am sure its from streching deeper than normal since your muscles are so warm you can do this.

I was going to suggest the "heat lets you stretch deeper" idea. Then I realized that I don’t have any proof of this. I know that being warmed up, as in doing something physical to prepare myself for exercise, helps with flexibility, but I don’t know that just being in a hot room is enough. — Harold

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piyo merges pilates with yoga…

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Hi, I am very new to yoga, having viewed the "Basic Yoga For Dummies" DVD a couple times.  I am now doing the Rodney Yee Power Yoga workout DVD (stamina, strength, flexibility workouts) which I borrowed from a co-worker.  I like it a lot, and would like to expand my yoga library.  My main goals are weight loss and general fitness, not so much flexibility.  I am more into aerobic and cardiovascular workouts (running, Tae-Bo, Tae Kwon Do), so I would think that Power Yoga is

Not DVD’s but you could try http://www.whitelotus.org/books/index.html Wade

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Hi birddogger, Sounds like you haven’t been to a live class yet. I’d suggest that as your next step. Videos are best as an adjunct to class not a replacement. Without a teacher you might never know what you are doing incorrectly. Also, without a teacher you might not progress beyond physical practice, which is just the tip of the iceburg of yoga.  Try ashtanga or Bikram yoga classes they are quite athletic. Good luck.

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Hi, I am very new to yoga, having viewed the "Basic Yoga For Dummies" DVD a couple times.  I am now doing the Rodney Yee Power Yoga workout DVD (stamina, strength, flexibility workouts) which I borrowed from a co-worker.  I like it a lot, and would like to expand my yoga library.  My main goals are weight loss and general fitness, not so much flexibility.  I am more into aerobic and cardiovascular workouts (running, Tae-Bo, Tae Kwon Do), so I would think that Power Yoga is the one that would fit most nicely with my goals.  Does anyone have any suggestions as to which videos would be best to get next?  Is Bryan Kest any good? Any Sarah Ivanhoe videos would be great, as I find her quite easy on the eyes.  ;)

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