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I had some car trouble yesterday, so had to get the car from the shop instead of going to water aerobics.  I was so disappointed as I knew I would not make it there on time, but I got home changed just like I always do and went to class anyway.  I was half hour late, but still managed to get half of the class done.  In the past, I would have just said forget it and moved on.  Funny thing is now I am scheduling my life around water aerobics, not scheduling exercise around life.  I am so happy to have found an activity that I love and look forward to as much as possible.  I really wish they had classes 7 days a week, but I guess I should be happy that they do have them 6 days a week. Debbie 319.4/279.3/(WNM goal 269)/150

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That is great!  I wish that I could have that attitude about going to the Y. I have tried water aerobics but I just could not get into it.  I think it had something to do with the instructor.  I should give it another try.  I wish that the Y had an intro pilates class or a beginning yoga class.  I have asked but they "don’t have time" for the beginner classes—doesn’t make sense to me when you look at their schedule.  Maybe this summer. judy in fort worth

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Judy, I thought the same thing for the water aerobics, why don’t they have beginner classes?  Well, I went to the intermediate class and have been in the advanced class and they are not much different, just depends on the intensity of the workout.  Some are more intense than others and they welcome all new people with open arms.  They are great there.  You might try the yoga or pilates that is offered and see if you really need a beginner class. Also, I have never felt this way about exercise, so this is a BIG deal for me.  But as my mom told me, you loved the pool as a kid, so it would make sense that you still love it.  It is something that I enjoyed so much as a kid, this is just bringing back happy childhood memories, of playing with my friends in the pool and all the ladies at the gym, have been so nice and friendly and the best part is they are all my age or older and also all of us need to lose weight.  So I don’t feel  like an outsider looking in the way I would in a step or spinning class. Debbie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That is great!  I wish that I could have that attitude about going to the Y. I have tried water aerobics but I just could not get into it.  I think it had something to do with the instructor.  I should give it another try.  I wish that the Y had an intro pilates class or a beginning yoga class.  I have asked but they "don’t have time" for the beginner classes—doesn’t make sense to me when you look at their schedule.  Maybe this summer. judy in fort worth

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I had some car trouble yesterday, so had to get the car from the shop instead of going to water aerobics.  I was so disappointed as I knew I would not make it there on time, but I got home changed just like I always do and went to class anyway.  I was half hour late, but still managed to get half of the class done.  In the past, I would have just said forget it and moved on.  Funny thing is now I am scheduling my life around water aerobics, not scheduling exercise around life.  I am so happy to have found an activity that I love and look forward to as much as possible.  I really wish they had classes 7 days a week, but I guess I should be happy that they do have them 6 days a week.

Debbie, That’s not an NSV ‘of sorts’ Thats a proper NSV! Congratulations. Once you love something like water aerobics you are really on track Ray — rmnsuk 273/199/182

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that’s certainly an NSV to me Deb.  Congratulations. Julie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had some car trouble yesterday, so had to get the car from the shop instead of going to water aerobics.  I was so disappointed as I knew I would not make it there on time, but I got home changed just like I always do and went to class anyway.  I was half hour late, but still managed to get half of the class done.  In the past, I would have just said forget it and moved on.  Funny thing is now I am scheduling my life around water aerobics, not scheduling exercise around life.  I am so happy to have found an activity that I love and look forward to as much as possible.  I really wish they had classes 7 days a week, but I guess I should be happy that they do have them 6 days a week. Debbie 319.4/279.3/(WNM goal 269)/150

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That’s a great NSV!! I would have had trouble going half way through!! — Cheers, Connie Walsh 241.5/194.5/155 WNM 193.5/194.5/181.5 50 lbs off 241.5/194.5/191.5 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had some car trouble yesterday, so had to get the car from the shop instead of going to water aerobics.  I was so disappointed as I knew I would not make it there on time, but I got home changed just like I always do and went to class anyway.  I was half hour late, but still managed to get half of the class done.  In the past, I would have just said forget it and moved on.  Funny thing is now I am scheduling my life around water aerobics, not scheduling exercise around life.  I am so happy to have found an activity that I love and look forward to as much as possible.  I really wish they had classes 7 days a week, but I guess I should be happy that they do have them 6 days a week. Debbie 319.4/279.3/(WNM goal 269)/150

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Finding exercise that brings you so much joy is truly a gift. That it’s also good for you is a bonus. — Linda P 232/153.6/WW goal 145 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had some car trouble yesterday, so had to get the car from the shop instead of going to water aerobics.  I was so disappointed as I knew I would not make it there on time, but I got home changed just like I always do and went to class anyway.  I was half hour late, but still managed to get half of the class done.  In the past, I would have just said forget it and moved on.  Funny thing is now I am scheduling my life around water aerobics, not scheduling exercise around life.  I am so happy to have found an activity that I love and look forward to as much as possible.  I really wish they had classes 7 days a week, but I guess I should be happy that they do have them 6 days a week. Debbie 319.4/279.3/(WNM goal 269)/150

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had some car trouble yesterday, so had to get the car from the shop instead of going to water aerobics.  I was so disappointed as I knew I would not make it there on time, but I got home changed just like I always do and went to class anyway.  I was half hour late, but still managed to get half of the class done.  In the past, I would have just said forget it and moved on.  Funny thing is now I am scheduling my life around water aerobics, not scheduling exercise around life.  I am so happy to have found an activity that I love and look forward to as much as possible.  I really wish they had classes 7 days a week, but I guess I should be happy that they do have them 6 days a week. Debbie 319.4/279.3/(WNM goal 269)/150

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I’ve been having major nightmares at work. We have a system problem and I’ve been doing all sorts of overtime and the stress is getting to me. Yesterday I insisted that I needed a break and left at 13:00. I haven’t exercised for 2 weeks and I wanted to go to the gym! I went and worked out for an hour or so. I came out totally exhausted and happy. I didn’t think about work all evening. That is the first time that exercising has been more important than work. I still can’t really believe either that I left or that I was allowed to leave, or even that exercise is now so important ! Strange NSV Ray — rmnsuk overall – 273/206/182

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That’s a great NSV, Ray!! Exercising as a stress reliever!! Connie — Cheers, Connie Walsh 241.5/205.5/155 RAFL 210.5/205.5/198.5 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been having major nightmares at work. We have a system problem and I’ve been doing all sorts of overtime and the stress is getting to me. Yesterday I insisted that I needed a break and left at 13:00. I haven’t exercised for 2 weeks and I wanted to go to the gym! I went and worked out for an hour or so. I came out totally exhausted and happy. I didn’t think about work all evening. That is the first time that exercising has been more important than work. I still can’t really believe either that I left or that I was allowed to leave, or even that exercise is now so important ! Strange NSV Ray

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Aren’t you the guy who, not too long ago, used to wash his car as his weekly (and only) exercise? Talk about a life change!!! I know what you mean about thinking it "strange"? After all, just who is that person for whom exercise is more important than work? Prairie Roots – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been having major nightmares at work. We have a system problem and I’ve been doing all sorts of overtime and the stress is getting to me. Yesterday I insisted that I needed a break and left at 13:00. I haven’t exercised for 2 weeks and I wanted to go to the gym! I went and worked out for an hour or so. I came out totally exhausted and happy. I didn’t think about work all evening. That is the first time that exercising has been more important than work. I still can’t really believe either that I left or that I was allowed to leave, or even that exercise is now so important ! Strange NSV Ray

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Congratulations!  That is a great NSV, Ray, and one of the best ways to handle stress. I wish I  could learn that lesson myself ;-( Elaine K – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been having major nightmares at work. We have a system problem and I’ve been doing all sorts of overtime and the stress is getting to me. Yesterday I insisted that I needed a break and left at 13:00. I haven’t exercised for 2 weeks and I wanted to go to the gym! I went and worked out for an hour or so. I came out totally exhausted and happy. I didn’t think about work all evening. That is the first time that exercising has been more important than work. I still can’t really believe either that I left or that I was allowed to leave, or even that exercise is now so important ! Strange NSV Ray

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I am one of those people who hate exercise and I guess you could say I am realatively lazy. However, I have joined jazzercise and paid up through April.  The classes are perfect for me.  One hour long and not so hard that I am spent for the rest of the day.  I woke up today and had every reason to stay in bed. i.e. too cold out, up late last night, hubby was home etc., but I didn’t  take the bait.  I got up, put my work out clothes on and before I knew it I was almost finished with the class.  I am not to the place where you are with exercise being top priority but you provide the motivation to get me there. Keep up the great work Ray and congrats on the weight loss so far.  You are amazing. Bird need to lose 45#

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been having major nightmares at work. We have a system problem and I’ve been doing all sorts of overtime and the stress is getting to me. Yesterday I insisted that I needed a break and left at 13:00. I haven’t exercised for 2 weeks and I wanted to go to the gym! I went and worked out for an hour or so. I came out totally exhausted and happy. I didn’t think about work all evening. That is the first time that exercising has been more important than work. I still can’t really believe either that I left or that I was allowed to leave, or even that exercise is now so important ! Strange NSV Ray — rmnsuk overall – 273/206/182

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Wow, amazing NSV, Ray! — Nathalie from Belgium 134.1/101.4/minigoal 99.9 Goal 68 Kg 295.6/223.5/minigoal 220.3/Goal 150 pounds RAFL 105.3/101.4/96 Kg           232/223.5/212 lbs

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been having major nightmares at work. We have a system problem and I’ve been doing all sorts of overtime and the stress is getting to me. Yesterday I insisted that I needed a break and left at 13:00. I haven’t exercised for 2 weeks and I wanted to go to the gym! I went and worked out for an hour or so. I came out totally exhausted and happy. I didn’t think about work all evening. That is the first time that exercising has been more important than work. I still can’t really believe either that I left or that I was allowed to leave, or even that exercise is now so important ! Strange NSV Ray — rmnsuk overall – 273/206/182

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You know you’re getting it when exercise becomes important. I’m so glad you took time for yourself. Sometimes it’s just the thing to make things smooth out and not look so serious. Keep it up! Lynne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’ve been having major nightmares at work. We have a system problem and I’ve been doing all sorts of overtime and the stress is getting to me. Yesterday I insisted that I needed a break and left at 13:00. I haven’t exercised for 2 weeks and I wanted to go to the gym! I went and worked out for an hour or so. I came out totally exhausted and happy. I didn’t think about work all evening. That is the first time that exercising has been more important than work. I still can’t really believe either that I left or that I was allowed to leave, or even that exercise is now so important ! Strange NSV Ray

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That is a GREAT NSV, Ray… really.  I’m very happy for you that you decided to leave work in order to work out.  Incredible! — ~Kristin O~ 272/239.4/172

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been having major nightmares at work. We have a system problem and I’ve been doing all sorts of overtime and the stress is getting to me. Yesterday I insisted that I needed a break and left at 13:00. I haven’t exercised for 2 weeks and I wanted to go to the gym! I went and worked out for an hour or so. I came out totally exhausted and happy. I didn’t think about work all evening. That is the first time that exercising has been more important than work. I still can’t really believe either that I left or that I was allowed to leave, or even that exercise is now so important ! Strange NSV Ray — rmnsuk overall – 273/206/182

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Sorry to hear about the stress at work. Going to the gym may be just the answer in helping you deal with it . I’m not sure where you work but there should be some sort of laws/policy that can restrict the amount of hours you work without a break. Glad to hear that you realised that you’d had enough and for your own health you went to the gym to work some of the stress off. This is what causes high blood pressure and heart attacks. If it continues for much longer maybe a note from your doctor restricting your hours would be helpful (as long as it does not cost you your job).

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been having major nightmares at work. We have a system problem and I’ve been doing all sorts of overtime and the stress is getting to me. Yesterday I insisted that I needed a break and left at 13:00. I haven’t exercised for 2 weeks and I wanted to go to the gym! I went and worked out for an hour or so. I came out totally exhausted and happy. I didn’t think about work all evening. That is the first time that exercising has been more important than work. I still can’t really believe either that I left or that I was allowed to leave, or even that exercise is now so important ! Strange NSV Ray — rmnsuk overall – 273/206/182

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glad it worked for you, and keep it up, seems like an employer would like the fact that you are fresher the next day, bet you solve the problem soon, Lee

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been having major nightmares at work. We have a system problem and I’ve been doing all sorts of overtime and the stress is getting to me. Yesterday I insisted that I needed a break and left at 13:00. I haven’t exercised for 2 weeks and I wanted to go to the gym! I went and worked out for an hour or so. I came out totally exhausted and happy. I didn’t think about work all evening. That is the first time that exercising has been more important than work. I still can’t really believe either that I left or that I was allowed to leave, or even that exercise is now so important ! Strange NSV Ray — rmnsuk overall – 273/206/182

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Hi there, I’m interested in talking to people with a lot of experience with doing kumbhaka’s. Fred S.

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Hi there, I’m interested in talking to people with a lot of experience with doing kumbhaka’s.

Kumbhaka has more than one meaning. In simple pranayama exercises it is simply breath retention. However in advanced stages it becomes possible to exhale and be quite comfortable not breathing at all for awhile. This is called the breathless state. And again, the breathless state itself has more than one meaning. The lack of the need to inhale after exhalation is a clear mark of progress of movement of energy in the body and can not be understood by someone beginning yoga. There are a lot of claims that sadhu’s have been burried alive for days by knowing the secret of retaining energy in the body. I believe this to be true although I can not do this myself. From chanting OM the breathless state is most easily achieved. Mike Dubbeld – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fred S.

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I’m following up my own post with a rather excellent romanized Sanskrit dictionary that I have found that may be of use to other yoga enthusiasts: _A Concise Dictionary of Indian Philosophy — Sanskrit Terms Defined in English_ by John Grimes; State University of New York Press. It is rather hard to find since the word "Sanskrit" appears only in the subtitle.  I stumbled upon it at the Vedanta Society in San Francisco. It takes me one step closer to taking a class in Sanskrit; but, I’m wondering if it is not overkill to actually study the language.  With each step into Yoga, however, Sanskrit looks more and more important. I appreciate the excellent information received in response to my initial query. Namaste – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a beginning Yoga student trying to identify the major reference works regarding Yoga in the English language.  Though specifically dictionaries and encyclopedias are what I need most, any source which contains a well indexed body of knowledge would be most appreciated. I am presently using "The Shambala Encyclopedia of Yoga," "The Yoga Tradition," and "Light on Yoga." I would very much appreciate leads to other significant works in the field. Thank you!

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I have already browsed upon "Serpent Power" and "Shiva/Shakti" by Arthur Avalon years ago, and yes they are quite alright. Perhaps this is the reason why I was attracted to inquire about Woodruff. I’ll surely give the Garland of Letters a go. (I also happen to enjoy P.R. Sarkar and his advanced disciples’ works when it comes to Tantra.) Thank you, Mr. Dubbeld! Brother Brahman-Atmananda http://www.angelfire.com/yt/kr – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Sir John Woodruff is legendary in the scholarly world. He literally wrote the book on Tantra/is the ultimate scholarly reference. All other scholars invariably must refer to Woodruff at some point on the matter of Tantra. Woodruff was a Judge in India and British in the early part of the 20′th centrury. Woodruff worked closely with Tantrics to get it right and lays no claim to being a teacher as formally stated by him – but everyone knows Woodruff was more than a mere scholar. His books are scholarly works – not how to books at all. But Woodruff prides himself on his accuracy and I have yet to see a single author speak badly of him but Woodruff himself blasts many others that he considered bumblers and dablers in the treatment of the subject. One will not learn little more than technical details of Tantra from Woodruff. But in this there is little doubt he is the ultimate authority. Ultimate not in the guru sense of the word – only technical/scholarly. It would be very foolish to compare Woodruff to a guru. It is just that scholarly detail in yoga is hard to come by – history of Tantra may not necessarily be known to a Guru. His lineage and tradition and the more important deep mystical teaching no mere scholar can ever likely have the guru will know but not a lot of the technical details/history with dates etc. I very much advise against any attempts to read Woodruff unless you know a ton of Indian words already. Woodruff assumes you do. The only harder texts I have ever seen on yoga are by the Kashmir Shaivism Pundits – Silburn/Singh etc. Scholarly works are extremely difficult reading and very advanced and although they appear to not require knowing Sanskrit – the books more or less assume you DO know Sanskrit. Basically I have read so many other yoga books including The Yoga Tradition from cover to conver (unintentionally) I basically ‘arrived’ at these difficult texts. I am saying there is not that much deep wisdom and I highly recommend Meditation and Mantras and Yoga The Ultimate Spiritual Path and Raja Yoga by Vivekananda and if you have a lot of faith in yoga Autobiography of a Yogi. I can believe in Autobiography of a Yogi but it is questionable that someone just learning would. Or at least all of it. Subramunia’s Original Master Course with the 12 lectures he did in the 40’s and 50’s I have nearly memorized and highly recommend. All these books will take someone far in understanding yoga. A lot of books I like are out of print. Woodruff books are VERY difficult to get. They are nearly 100 years old and they keep running out on re-prints and used copies all beat up can be expensive. Contact Nataraj Books in Springfield Virginia. I know this man and recently drove there and bought 9 books from him. He has one of the largest selection of yoga and Hinduism etc books in the WORLD. The Sivananda web page also recommends it I found out the other day. Garland of Letters is all about Mantra – technical details – but those details will fall on deaf ears on the uninitiated so to speak. The descriptions offered by these books refer to things Woodruff parots but could not begin to understand as they can only be understood by people that understand things like the subtle differences between the different types of samadhi’s for instance. Woodruff in this case is more like a reporter rather than interpreter although he can relate comparisons on his own scholarly level.  I like Woodruff because he knows himself the difficulty of understanding the esoteric meanings of the transliterations and makes that known repeatedly. Garland of Letters and his other famous book The Serpent Power are for sale. However Tantra of the Great Liberation (Mahanirvana Tantra) is free on the web to download in HTML I believe) Because Woodruff was a Judge he wrote under a pseudo name of Arthur Avalon and so web searches should be done using this name for more hits. Garland of Lettes costs 15$ at Nataraj but Woodruff insists on p xii that it is necessary to have read or at least have his Serpent Power and Shakta and Shakti (28$) and The World as Power (30$) to understand Garland of Letters. (All available at Nataraj – who also promptly answers emails) If anyone wants Sanskrit info let me know. I also have heavy duty Western Philosophy information. As you can easily tell – I have karma in this direction. Same with Quantum Mechanics. Practicing concentration and meditation are infinitely more important than all this. Mike Dubbeld I agree completely, Mr. Dubbeld. All of the references you mentioned are in our Brahman-Atman Yoga

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It would absolutely be worth your time to begin yoga now. If it makes you feel any better, I’ll tell you that lots of folks who have been doing yoga for quite some time can’t sit in lotus either. Many (if not most) Hatha poses are designed to loosen the hips so as to be able to sit comfortably for meditation. The tightness in your groin that you are referring to is probably the most common place that people are locked up along with the small of the back and the shoulders. As for how quickly you will see results…. probably much sooner than you are thinking possible. Pay close attention any time you hear your instructor say things like "letting go". Remember to not force anything. Always look for the fine line between babying yourself and pushing too far. Sit on that line and breathe slowly and deeply almost as if you could imagine yourself comfortable enough to fall asleep (in whatever pose you find yourself). If any of this doesn’t make sense yet, I promise you that it will if you subject yourself to a good teacher. Have fun. I think you’ll enjoy it! Gloria – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I am 59 yrs. old, male, and while not new to physical fitness, I am new to Yoga. I have done Tai Chi for the past 6 years, calisthenics and some lifting, and stretch 3-4 times a week but I am very tight in the hips and can NOT begin to sit in Lotus Pose. I was wondering what kind of results I could expect to get beginning Hatha Yoga at my age. There are a couple of places here in Columbus, Ohio where I can get excellent instruction but would it be worth my time and the time of the instructor? Thanks, Rick

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Hello, I am 59 yrs. old, male, and while not new to physical fitness, I am new to Yoga. I have done Tai Chi for the past 6 years, calisthenics and some lifting, and stretch 3-4 times a week but I am very tight in the hips and can NOT begin to sit in Lotus Pose. I was wondering what kind of results I could expect to get beginning Hatha Yoga at my age. There are a couple of places here in Columbus, Ohio where I can get excellent instruction but would it be worth my time and the time of the instructor? Thanks, Rick

Of course, Brother. Go to either http://www.yogananda-srf.org , http://www.ananda.org , or http://www.csa-davis.org for the best body-mind equilibrium regimens including yoga asana

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Hello, I am 59 yrs. old, male, and while not new to physical fitness, I am new to Yoga. I have done Tai Chi for the past 6 years, calisthenics and some lifting, and stretch 3-4 times a week but I am very tight in the hips and can NOT begin to sit in Lotus Pose. I was wondering what kind of results I could expect to get beginning Hatha Yoga at my age. There are a couple of places here in Columbus, Ohio where I can get excellent instruction but would it be worth my time and the time of the instructor? Thanks, Rick

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Hello Richard It WILL be worth your time, yes.    Sitting in Lotus Pose is not a prerequisite to beginning yoga lessons.  You should never be asked to go beyond your limitations to the point of injury.  A good instructor will show you other things you can do that will benefit you in many ways. There are dozens, if not hundreds, of other asanas you can learn. Amy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I am 59 yrs. old, male, and while not new to physical fitness, I am new to Yoga. I have done Tai Chi for the past 6 years, calisthenics and some lifting, and stretch 3-4 times a week but I am very tight in the hips and can NOT begin to sit in Lotus Pose. I was wondering what kind of results I could expect to get beginning Hatha Yoga at my age. There are a couple of places here in Columbus, Ohio where I can get excellent instruction but would it be worth my time and the time of the instructor? Thanks, Rick

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am in a beginning Yoga Class.  The morning after the 3rd class, I had quite a bit of neck stiffness.  Took a little less than a week to heal as I remember that I was OK for the next class (one week later).  Several weeks later, I again developed neck soreness.  Took more than a week (it is the 10th day now and it is probably about 85% back to normal).  I had an X-ray on the advice of someone I work with who is a doctor, chiropracter, acupuncturist.  As he predicted, I have narrowing between cervical vertabra 4 and 5.  No doubt age-related (I’m 39) and it made me vulnerable to something I did in Yoga. Not sure what though.  I have done neck and torso rotations in other classes and also at home to no ill effect.  Anyhow, just wondering if anyone has had (or heard of) this or a similar problem and what you might have learned about what to do, what not to do, did it get worse, etc etc. I have not yet talked to the instructor yet, but will do so soon. Thanks for any info, Dave

First of all I would tell you teacher and hopefully he/she will modify your practice to help with your neck.  It is very possible that you are straining your neck in the poses by allowing tension there. In general you want to get space in the neck and allow it to open. When practicing, breath into the neck.  Focus on your breath and imagine it bringing fresh air to the sore parts of the neck.  It may sound a bit wacko but I assure you it works. By focusing on the problem area your intuition will aid you to health. In down dog or forward bends allow the head to drop – do not make your head be somewhere.  By letting the neck fall the cervical spine experiences traction. In almost all beginner poses the neck should be loose and the supporting muscles (shoulders, shoulder blades, chest, thoracic spine) should be engaged.  Try and keep the spine in perfect alignment even when you are tied up like a pretzel. Take it easy. — ~Stu

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Stenosis is an organic process which yoga can reverse (as it self organizes the entire body/mind) when applied correctly. When I first started asana practice, I already had some neck and spinal problems. Specific asanas made things worse (especially when I had not learned the preparation for them). In other words, headstand is great for the neck, but the neck must first be aligned so pressure is not put on it that will create a further mis-alignment. Likewise shoulderstand, plow, bridge and  many others can be both curative and/or harmful depending on our unique situation and application. Yoga as well as Ayurveda recognizes that we each have unique constitutions so therefore two different people will need to do two sometimes very different variations of the same asana or even different customized asanas. Thus as we approach asana as self awareness, as getting in touch with embodiment, as getting to know self, as picking up the pieces of the previously fragmented and dissociated body/mind parts, of coming into alignment with energy and its source — directly –  then insight as to the correct alignment, variation, or selection of asanas will arise spontaneously (you will know).  So I advise exploring the asanas in your own daily practice in a kinesthetic process oriented way. At the same time, it would be wise to talk to your yoga teacher (if they are experienced) about this and maybe they can recommend something. Personally in my early days, I benefited greatly at first from chiropractic and an old time osteopath alongside the asana and meditation practice as mutual synergists), but I was a real basket case  There are many asanas that work the throat and neck and often opening up lower down in the spine or pelvis often will positively affect the neck as well. Jalandhara bandha is specific to open the energy flow between the head and heart through the neck and I recommend it, Does your neck have a natural S curve, is it flat (straight) or is their evidence of disc compression (too sharp an angle) besides the stenosis? Firstly, it normally

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am in a beginning Yoga Class.  The morning after the 3rd class, I had quite a bit of neck stiffness.  Took a little less than a week to heal as I remember that I was OK for the next class (one week later).  Several weeks later, I again developed neck soreness.  Took more than a week (it is the 10th day now and it is probably about 85% back to normal).  I had an X-ray on the advice of someone I work with who is a doctor, chiropracter, acupuncturist.  As he predicted, I have narrowing between cervical vertabra 4 and 5.  No doubt age-related (I’m 39) and it made me vulnerable to something I did in Yoga. Not sure what though.  I have done neck and torso rotations in other classes and also at home to no ill effect.  Anyhow, just wondering if anyone has had (or heard of) this or a similar problem and what you might have learned about what to do, what not to do, did it get worse, etc etc. I have not yet talked to the instructor yet, but will do so soon. Thanks for any info, Dave

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I am in a beginning Yoga Class.  The morning after the 3rd class, I had quite a bit of neck stiffness.  Took a little less than a week to heal as I remember that I was OK for the next class (one week later).  Several weeks later, I again developed neck soreness.  Took more than a week (it is the 10th day now and it is probably about 85% back to normal).  I had an X-ray on the advice of someone I work with who is a doctor, chiropracter, acupuncturist.  As he predicted, I have narrowing between cervical vertabra 4 and 5.  No doubt age-related (I’m 39) and it made me vulnerable to something I did in Yoga.  Not sure what though.  I have done neck and torso rotations in other classes and also at home to no ill effect.  Anyhow, just wondering if anyone has had (or heard of) this or a similar problem and what you might have learned about what to do, what not to do, did it get worse, etc etc. I have not yet talked to the instructor yet, but will do so soon. Thanks for any info, Dave

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These shivers have started coming only for the last 6 months after you shifted your Place. If so do the following and give feedback 1. Shift back to the place to your Downstairs or your Original Place before it is too late. 2. Intially for the First few days you shall get the shivers due to pschologically ( mentally) you believe you will be getting shivers. Tell yourself it shall not occur. 3.The shivers should not & would not reoccur. Moreover it is not a blissful condition described in various books. If all of this I say happens correct then contact me either on Phone or my email to learn the reasons of the occurences. Regards Paddy Before you buy.

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Sorry I gave the wrong link and credit from the above quote: "The following are common manifestations of the risen Kundalini: Muscle twitches, cramps or spasms. Energy rushes or immense electricity circulating the body Itching, vibrating, prickling, tingling, stinging or crawling sensations Intense heat or cold Involuntary bodily movements (occur more often during meditation, rest or sleep): jerking, tremors, shaking; feeling an inner force pushing one into postures or moving one’s body in unusual ways.  (May be misdiagnosed as epilepsy, restless legs syndrome (RLS), or PLMD.) " Rather it is  from  El Collie at http://members.aol.com/ckress/symptoms.html . His home page is http://members.aol.com/ckress/st.html and is also a good resouce. It is not from  http://web.stn.net/icr/ however that site is an incredible resource for Kundalini information!

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Go to a doctor! Seriously. You may be straining some nerve.

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What concerns me about your situation is the combination of the tremors and the bliss feeling.  I don’t think this is normal yoga-zoning, as some have suggested.  It doesn’t sound right, particularly as you mention the large range of involved muscles and their broad areas, including the face. It’s risky to suggest this is normal of yoga because I don’t know of anybody who reports this effect and I never have felt anything of the kind – good and happy yes, shaking and twitching, no…"

Justina, I respect your concern and yes, it’s not "normal" yoga, but NOW you know of some one who reports this effect. me. Like I reported it in my post above and I have experienced it many times over 25 years ago after starting sahaj and kundalini yoga. Of course I had a teacher close and peers (in an ashram) who were supportive and verified this process as a "NATURAL" process of awakening  the kundalini where the body goes through spontaneous kriyas (movements). This was accompanied by rapid body/mind/spirit breakthroughs (destruction of vasana, samskara, and karmic propensities). Some people call this a symptom of  a spiritual emergence syndrome and it is well known in Kundalini circles for instance in Siddha Yoga, Sahaj Yoga,and the like. The purpose of hatha yoga according to the classical texts and my past teachers is indeed to awaken the kundalini. I realize that most modern Western yogis/yoginis are not familiar with this process, but it is however WELL KNOWN in certain circles.  Again I have some very advanced friends who have been practicing yoga for over 30 years who still go through these whole body trembling and shakings. They just love it and some yell out "Jai Ma!!" when it occurs. For example this is a link to a fairly thorough advanced research organization called "Institute for Consciousness Research" at http://web.stn.net/icr/ which quotes: "he following are common manifestations of the risen Kundalini: Muscle twitches, cramps or spasms. Energy rushes or immense electricity circulating the body Itching, vibrating, prickling, tingling, stinging or crawling sensations Intense heat or cold Involuntary bodily movements (occur more often during meditation, rest or sleep): jerking, tremors, shaking; feeling an inner force pushing one into postures or moving one’s body in unusual ways.  (May be misdiagnosed as epilepsy, restless legs syndrome (RLS), or PLMD.) " The above is not some new upstart web page, but rather very well researched and sophisticated. Also at http://www.ncinter.net/~ejt/kunvega.htm Selene Vega is quoted: "Kundalini awakening can resemble many disorders, medical as well as psychiatric. The physical nature of the symptoms can bring to mind conversion disorder, and it might also lead to a misdiagnosis of epilepsy, lower back problems, incipient multiple sclerosis, heart attack or pelvic inflammatory syndrome. The emotional reaction to the awakening of Kundalini can be confused with disorders involving anxiety, depression, aggression, confusion and guilt. This is reported by MANY people in the literature of Kundalini awakening and there are MANY support groups available such a the Especially see: http://www.list-server.net/kundalini/links02.html Also see http://hmt.com/kundalini/index.html http://web.stn.net/icr/ http://hmt.com/kundalini/introduction.html http://www.renature.com/krf/ There are many other books and sites available on this subject, so now those who never heard about it, are informed, ja? Is it some thing that you want or need, maybe not, but it is none-the-less common in the classical kundalini yoga process.

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Hello there, I am a yoga teacher and practitioner from England.  I read your message stream, and although I am not a doctor of any kind I have recently been studying brain physiology for a non-yoga project for the last 2 years. Okay, before you read on DONT PANIC. What concerns me about your situation is the combination of the tremors and the bliss feeling.  I don’t think this is normal yoga-zoning, as some have suggested.  It doesn’t sound right, particularly as you mention the large range of involved muscles and their broad areas, including the face.   It’s risky to suggest this is normal of yoga because I don’t know of anybody who reports this effect and I never have felt anything of the kind – good and happy yes, shaking and twitching, no.   Also the type of tremor is not the same very localised type you would get with low calcium (although this may be involved), a thyroid problem, lack of GLAs or insufficient tissue salts (although again, maybe a factor…) The combination of the two events suggests to me that you may be experiencing some kind of mild temporal lobe seizure – a very, very mild epilepsy.  Now don’t panic!  These are very common and we often have them without realising it.  Religious ecstasies are one kind you can induce yourself, I’m led to believe.  Other sorts are non problematic and unnoticeable – it’s the brain having a tiny electrical storm in one section. Also, I may well be dead wrong – as I say, I’m _not_ a qualified medic so you must consider what I say in that light – , but I’ve read of similar things in my books and journals.  I think that if your doctor is so philistine on the matter you must look for another opinion and ask for a test to check whether or not you may be experiencing a neurological phenomenon. It could be dietary – a lack of enough substances to create good neurotransmitters, such as serotonin (chicken is the best for this, or any vegetarian food that supplies a like set of amino acids – ask a nutritionist).  It may be a tiny blood vessel expanding after the positions of yoga that supply a lot of blood to the brain, such as shoulderstand or headstand.  _Doesn’t_ sound like its something to panic over, but I’d try and get it checked all the same, just to be on the safe side.  It may be a wake up call to check that you are getting good nutrition and enough minerals, amino and fatty acids as others have said.  We used to advise fish for the brain and it wasn’t a bad idea because of its unique nutrient profile and the requirements of your nervous system, but if you don’t do fish then find a rich source of GLAs and other essential oils quick! (Evening primrose oil, pumpkin seeds – ask the health food shop). Don’t get put off by ignorant doctors.  Give yours an honest try and if he disappoints you then find someone who will take you seriously and put your mind at rest.  Even if it’s a dietary deficiency you ought to find out so that you can get some peace and sort it out.  I wouldn’t let anyone blame the yoga, although they may blame your veggie diet if you’ve been a bit thin on finding the right foods! best of luck and good health to you, Justina.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 6 months ago I began doing my exercises upstairs. I had done them in the living room for almost 12 years. I do my exercises and then just rest and relax for for about 15 minutes. The shivers start just before doing the exercises. They subside during the exercises and then begin again while I am resting. Sometimes the shivers go on for many hours afterwards. I feel OK about them now. I am not worried. If feel reassured. I don’t think I do what is described as meditation. I just rest and feel very relaxed. I am a little curious about your guess that I changed my exercise place. I wonder how you knew. You are presently doing (if I could Gues correctly the sequence !) few Physical Exercise and at the end of this sitting down in a Asana doing the Breathing exercises and Meditating. During this Meditation you are feeling the Shivering of your Whole BODY. Have you recently shifted your House to a New Place or Changed your Place of doing your Yoga. Is the sequence I had guessed is correct !!! Paddy Before you buy.

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6 months ago I began doing my exercises upstairs. I had done them in the living room for almost 12 years. I do my exercises and then just rest and relax for for about 15 minutes. The shivers start just before doing the exercises. They subside during the exercises and then begin again while I am resting. Sometimes the shivers go on for many hours afterwards. I feel OK about them now. I am not worried. If feel reassured. I don’t think I do what is described as meditation. I just rest and feel very relaxed. I am a little curious about your guess that I changed my exercise place. I wonder how you knew. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You are presently doing (if I could Gues correctly the sequence !) few Physical Exercise and at the end of this sitting down in a Asana doing the Breathing exercises and Meditating. During this Meditation you are feeling the Shivering of your Whole BODY. Have you recently shifted your House to a New Place or Changed your Place of doing your Yoga. Is the sequence I had guessed is correct !!! Paddy Before you buy.

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You are presently doing (if I could Gues correctly the sequence !) few Physical Exercise and at the end of this sitting down in a Asana doing the Breathing exercises and Meditating. During this Meditation you are feeling the Shivering of your Whole BODY. Have you recently shifted your House to a New Place or Changed your Place of doing your Yoga. Is the sequence I had guessed is correct !!! Paddy Before you buy.

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I want to thank all of you who replied to my post. I probably do not get essential fatty acids. I don’t eat flax seed or salmon. My tremors/shivers are not the result of  straining. I have had those little stretching tremors since beginning yoga. This is something different. It runs through much of my body. It is not confined to one area. It even affects my face muscles. I have not given a very complete description of what is happening to me. It is somewhat embarrassing. However, I feel pretty safe here. When I get these shivers, I feel so good that it brings tears to my eyes. I have to go upstairs or to the garage because it would upset my wife to see me like that.  Maybe Jack is right and I should just enjoy it. But the shivers are something I have never read about as being expected  with yoga. I finally figured out a way to try and help explain how this feels. When I am having the shivers, I feel like I am in love with everyone I meet.  I realize this sounds awfully bizarre, but that is what is happening to me. I would like to tell my doctor but I know that he would feel that this was too weird for him.  If anyone else has any thoughts about this, I would sure appreciate them. I am some surprised that this would suddenly happen after 12 years of yoga. I work in computer coding and electronic design. Sharing this with my colleagues is not something I can do. It frightens my wife. But, it feels so damn good I will not give it up. We all have some small vices in our life. I appreciate your thought too greenlight. I feel like maybe I can just ignore the shivers and go with feeling good. I will continue here as a lurker. Maybe I can learn something about yoga. I will post if there are any significant changes. Now I am off for more yoga. God Bless you all

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tremors can be he result of pre-existing holding contractions of muscles and its constriction of body/mind energies that are now being re-educated, freed, and letting go. In  body work shaking is many times a good sign of "unwinding". Also in sahaj and some brands of kundalini yoga it is a positive sign of new energy coming through the body/mind complex (actually you seem to be describing a very common kundlaini flow experience).  I know a few very advanced yogis who go into this often and find it quite beneficial. From your description, I wouldn’t worry, but if you have become so then check out a therapist that does therapy utilizng a method that you believe in. MDs are good for certian types of illness, but they are not trained insuch things as yoga or kundalini. Craniosacral or osteopathy however do often take more of a energetic and wholistic approach to the body/mind and may be better able to help if this is in any way related to your yoga practice (as you seem to intuit).

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Are you getting enough Essential Fatty Acids, through flax seed, salmon etc.?   That might help / j

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Tremors can be he result of pre-existing holding contractions of muscles and its constriction of body/mind energies that are now being re-educated, freed, and letting go. In  body work shaking is many times a good sign of "unwinding". Also in sahaj and some brands of kundalini yoga it is a positive sign of new energy coming through the body/mind complex (actually you seem to be describing a very common kundlaini flow experience).  I know a few very advanced yogis who go into this often and find it quite beneficial. From your description, I wouldn’t worry, but if you have become so then check out a therapist that does therapy utilizng a method that you believe in. MDs are good for certian types of illness, but they are not trained insuch things as yoga or kundalini. Craniosacral or osteopathy however do often take more of a energetic and wholistic approach to the body/mind and may be better able to help if this is in any way related to your yoga practice (as you seem to intuit).

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A newbie to this group so please have patience with me. I have developed a problem. At least it seems like a problem. I have developed tremors during and for about 12 hours after doing yoga. I feel really good during this time but the tremors trouble me. I have been doing yoga about 12 years and this is first time I have had this problem. It seems really weird and I feel like I couldn’t go to a doctor about it. When I am having the tremors is when I am feeling really really good. When the tremors go away I still feel OK. I don’t have anyone to ask about this. I learned how to do yoga from a book. Maybe it has nothing to do with yoga and I am having some health problem just related to exercise. Any ideas?

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        Perhaps the way you are breathing during yoga is contributing to this sense of shivering/tremor. I can understand you not wanting to give up yoga, however it may be time to modify your practice. Some suggestions. 1. Pay attention to your breath. Are you holding it as you concentrate? Can you breath easily through your nose? Do you inhale as you come up from forward bending? 2. Are you an achiever? In other words if a little feels good do you think more will be better? In yoga that isn’t always so. peace, sandra

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It CALLED BLISS, I am not suppressed that no one here could answer your question, Don’t tell you Doctor or anyone else, just enjoy this very high feeling of consciousness. — Jack Williams

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Perhaps the way you are breathing during yoga is contributing to this sense of shivering/tremor. I can understand you not wanting to give up yoga, however it may be time to modify your practice. Some suggestions. 1. Pay attention to your breath. Are you holding it as you concentrate? Can you breath easily through your nose? Do you inhale as you come up from forward bending? 2. Are you an achiever? In other words if a little feels good do you think more will be better? In yoga that isn’t always so. peace, sandra

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I don’t have a yoga teacher. I got a book 12 years ago because I had arthritis and was told that yoga would help. After the first year I had no more symptoms of arthritis. I realize that my arthritis is not cured. I must continue the yoga to keep my joints well. My doctor would just tell me to stop yoga. I appreciate your response. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A newbie to this group so please have patience with me. I have developed a problem. At least it seems like a problem. I have developed tremors during and for about 12 hours after doing yoga. I feel really good during this time but the tremors trouble me. I have been doing yoga about 12 years and this is first time I have had this problem. It seems really weird and I feel like I couldn’t go to a doctor about it. When I am having the tremors is when I am feeling really really good. When the tremors go away I still feel OK. I don’t have anyone to ask about this. I learned how to do yoga from a book. Maybe it has nothing to do with yoga and I am having some health problem just related to exercise. Any ideas? Sounds like it wouldn’t hurt to talk to a Doctor.  It may not not be related to Yoga at all.  Also what does your yoga teacher say about this? — ~stu

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Thanks for the reply Sandra. I am hesitant to talk to my doctor about this. He feels that yoga is something only space cadets do. Other exercise or activities do not provoke this. I am sure my doctor would just say stop doing yoga if that gives you tremors. I do not want to give up yoga because I started it for arthritis and I have had no symptoms for 11 years. What is really strange about this is that the tremors are accompanied by a very strong feeling of well being. I do not really no how to describe this feeling but it feels good enough that I would accept the tremors if there is no pathology involved. Actually, the tremors are not quite like the medical definition of tremors. They are more like shivering running through me.    Write down what you just posted to us. Then send it to your MD. Ask if your doctor would like to see you to discuss this.    I have a feeling your doctor will want to see you. If this problem has developed recently as you say it’s of concern. Do you have this trembling after other activities?    If not it might have to do with your breathing during yoga practice. Better be conservative and consult the doctor. peace, sandra

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        Write down what you just posted to us. Then send it to your MD. Ask if your doctor would like to see you to discuss this.         I have a feeling your doctor will want to see you. If this problem has developed recently as you say it’s of concern. Do you have this trembling after other activities?         If not it might have to do with your breathing during yoga practice. Better be conservative and consult the doctor. peace, sandra

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A newbie to this group so please have patience with me. I have developed a problem. At least it seems like a problem. I have developed tremors during and for about 12 hours after doing yoga. I feel really good during this time but the tremors trouble me. I have been doing yoga about 12 years and this is first time I have had this problem. It seems really weird and I feel like I couldn’t go to a doctor about it. When I am having the tremors is when I am feeling really really good. When the tremors go away I still feel OK. I don’t have anyone to ask about this. I learned how to do yoga from a book. Maybe it has nothing to do with yoga and I am having some health problem just related to exercise. Any ideas?

Sounds like it wouldn’t hurt to talk to a Doctor.  It may not not be related to Yoga at all.  Also what does your yoga teacher say about this? — ~stu

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A newbie to this group so please have patience with me. I have developed a problem. At least it seems like a problem. I have developed tremors during and for about 12 hours after doing yoga. I feel really good during this time but the tremors trouble me. I have been doing yoga about 12 years and this is first time I have had this problem. It seems really weird and I feel like I couldn’t go to a doctor about it. When I am having the tremors is when I am feeling really really good. When the tremors go away I still feel OK. I don’t have anyone to ask about this. I learned how to do yoga from a book. Maybe it has nothing to do with yoga and I am having some health problem just related to exercise. Any ideas?

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Yes Joseph, the reduction in emotion is a great benefit to yoga.  You gain a more clear perspective and have a greater sense of how your energy is affected by others. Enjoy. Colette  Le Fort

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello,     Since I started a daily yoga practice I have noticed that I don’t get as emotional as before. Fear seems to have vanished. Along with anger, hate, rage, whatever you want to call it. I also no longer see myself as the center of the universe as well. I seem to be able to focus on tasks better than before. And am less forgetfull.     Has this been the experience of anyone else?

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This has been my experience too, the first weeks I practiced. Now I’ve been practicing kundalini yoga for 1 year and a half, and sometimes, for some periods of time, I’ve noticed that it makes me feel not always really fine as before.

To me it suggests that you’re overdoing it – and your body can’t keep up and is hurting. Slow down! Sometimes I can’t sleep well, and feel a bit tense or tired… Are these things common too?

These are clear signs of overexhaustion, typically caused by practicing gymnastics/sports and calling it Yoga. Early in my life my boxing instructor told me: "If you can’t sleep well after the training session, you’ve overdone it." So if yor Yoga takes as much energy from you as my boxing used to, IMHO something is wrong with that approach. Again, slow down. Possibly even reevaluate the whole approach. Consider Iyengar, for example. — Regards, Uri <Disclaimer

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Stefano,         Yes, they are. It’s like when we don’t realize how tense we are until we get a massage, then sometimes we feel pain from the tight muscles.         Our unconscious releases it’s stored angst as we become able to handle it. In this way we evolve safely. You can see these reactions as messages and choose. Adjusting your practice is one choice. Meditating on the feelings as you practice is another. There isn’t any ‘right’ way. peace, sandra

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Hello, Since I started a daily yoga practice I have noticed that I don’t get as emotional as before. Fear seems to have vanished [...] Has this been the experience of anyone else? These are natural steps in an evolutionary process.  Welcome to the club. ~Stu

This has been my experience too, the first weeks I practiced. Now I’ve been practicing kundalini yoga for 1 year and a half, and sometimes, for some periods of time, I’ve noticed that it makes me feel not always really fine as before. Sometimes I can’t sleep well, and feel a bit tense or tired… Are these things common too? Stefano

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Hello, Since I started a daily yoga practice I have noticed that I don’t get as emotional as before. Fear seems to have vanished. Along with anger, hate, rage, whatever you want to call it. I also no longer see myself as the center of the universe as well. I seem to be able to focus on tasks better than before. And am less forgetfull. Has this been the experience of anyone else?

These are natural steps in an evolutionary process.  Welcome to the club. ~Stu

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Hello,     Since I started a daily yoga practice I have noticed that I don’t get as emotional as before. Fear seems to have vanished. Along with anger, hate, rage, whatever you want to call it. I also no longer see myself as the center of the universe as well. I seem to be able to focus on tasks better than before. And am less forgetfull.     Has this been the experience of anyone else?

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Re: Voice Exercises  

I teach Nada Yoga inside of my regular Hamsa Yoga classes. Could you please explain more about Nada Yoga? I do know Brahma Nada exercise, so to speak. But I found it difficult at first to teach this to others. How do you do this? How about practicing the exercise you know with others? The best teaching is the experience. Brahma Nada exercise is not exactly a ‘voice exercise’… That’s where the ‘problem’ lies! OM Shanti Namaste, That’s where the ‘problem’ lies! <snip a one liner above Ya see its like the old pinball games verse the new video games.JD Aum is too ask for Om

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I teach Nada Yoga inside of my regular Hamsa Yoga classes. Could you please explain more about Nada Yoga? I do know Brahma Nada exercise, so to speak. But I found it difficult at first to teach this to others. How do you do this? How about practicing the exercise you know with others? The best teaching is the experience. Brahma Nada exercise is not exactly a ‘voice exercise’… That’s where the ‘problem’ lies! OM Shanti

So, what is Brahma Nada? I only now Naad Yoga – and this can be experienced. Do you practice brahma nada in some way? Or is it an special energy that is only given to some ppl, that’s in their genes? If it can be practiced in some way and this practice makes you experience it – than I think it can be thaught. Maybe the experience can’t be guarranteed to everybody – but how else should it be thaught than through giving the students the opportunity to make the experience themself? — Sat Nam – Hari Har Singh

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I teach Nada Yoga inside of my regular Hamsa Yoga classes. Could you please explain more about Nada Yoga? I do know Brahma Nada exercise, so to speak. But I found it difficult at first to teach this to others. How do you do this? How about practicing the exercise you know with others? The best teaching is the experience.

Brahma Nada exercise is not exactly a ‘voice exercise’… That’s where the ‘problem’ lies! OM Shanti

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I teach Nada Yoga inside of my regular Hamsa Yoga classes. Could you please explain more about Nada Yoga? I do know Brahma Nada exercise, so to speak. But I found it difficult at first to teach this to others. How do you do this?

How about practicing the exercise you know with others? The best teaching is the experience. — Sat Nam – Hari Har Singh

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Namaste, I confess sound is outta my area (smile) cause of its externalness. The ears measure external sound they are designed not to pick up all frequencies of sound cause the internal body makes too much noise and one can not meditate if they measured internal sounds.Intenal sound is hard to explain they are based nitrogen and knowing (intellectual features) the music of the spheres. So OM is but the sensualness of bloodpressure against the inner organ and minds screen. Now i was taught or came to understand that AUM was (1) inhale (2) hold (3) exhale kinda like haa saa but missing is this one point in H/S . Now the reflexology as the oxygen/nitrogen is aeordynamicly inhaled held shaped then exhaled is simple . But what i think is going on here is the emotional body and the mental body (aggregate inner organ) not the chackra cause its thought action deed and the manipuraka chackra doesnt think it responds (solar plexus). Other points below the diaphram  emotion-mental- then nuero muscle commanded to raise the diaphrapm (tan tien consider this neuro muscular point external systems) to speak true (para point and final aspect pointed tongue)(some know para) but thats thought action deed so its deeper connected yet huh. Thoughts are emotion or mental forms expressed with intellect facilties or vittris.These are stored as samskaras mental impressions of previous action and knowledge within the inner organ*** the atomic hench call air is not.They (karmic package) arise then execute the functions the drawing up of responses is basicly neuro muscular but the reflex is hooked to the manipuraka (navel ctr) somewhat i can feel it reflex (gentle).But i know the exact pattern of light that it contains and it spreads across more than it spreads upwards,Its a lifting but it’s seperate from the anahata that suttle matter manipuraka is more spinal nuero muscular than emotional/mental i feel after observing both various methods.But the actual air is but mechanics. So we have three levels one deep then one not so deep then the final deed (para revealed). The inner organ heart *to/distance* head then the command to the manipuraka et. al.  then the mechanics of atom atmospheric movements throught tunnels of flesh.Thought action deed. But theres hundreds of other points that play aspect to.Since the sound echos back to the ears it furture stimulates the emotional mental bodies resulting in massage. Sound is massage as i first mentioned the body hears no inner sound to reach these avenues are but knowing not hearing (advanced intellect). Maybe this helps the pearls on a string view. These lower points chackra or plexus points (nerve bundles) are sequential (time/space) in action arising later in the course of action the heart comes first then brain with emotions not all bio function a exhaled sound is a response a typical emotional response, There is a actual banda (lock) here cause they are that seperate.The neuro muscular verse the emotional mental and this banda (diaphram lift/roll/etc).This lock is a key focus.Cause the light contained within manipuraka and the light contained within anahata are not realized by the same trance samadhi (various trances reveal manipuraka).The actual storehouse of infintismal celluar nuero tubes and plasma is used OOBE etc (synaptic interruptions) The wind samana or a churning aspect is also considered with sound at this level or body errected height.A fascinating patterned light to observe. Because of the sensitive nature and position of this grand plexus (solar) with regards to inner light /energy it is a distant evolved feature of the axial skeleton yet held in the area lower/mid of the appendicular skeleton this lower position of the inferior regions (lower extremities) yet very well build and strong denoted by many extensions on all three body levels. Levels for neuro muscular actions are inherently skeletionial this plexus is representative of the physical organ area solar plexus or rama the store house of neuro vital forces. hari om Hari om (RAMA/ KHRISNA)

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I teach Nada Yoga inside of my regular Hamsa Yoga classes.

Could you please explain more about Nada Yoga? I do know Brahma Nada exercise, so to speak. But I found it difficult at first to teach this to others. How do you do this? Few folk realize that vocal intonation is very much a part of a hatha yoga class.  But then, look at the initial chanting of OM. Most Western studies simply say "Oooooommmmm."  The true intonation is "AaaaaaaOoooooMmmmm." One for each aspect of self, Self & the gods.

Yes. The Sound is created/begins in Manipura cakra (Aaaaa sound), While rising, passing through Heart cakra the quality changes to Oooooo, becoming audible when passing through throat cakra, ending in Mmmmmmm. This process can be  felt very well. OM Shanti

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Hi, Does anyone know any voice exercises? Thanks -Nicolas

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Hi, Does anyone know any voice exercises?

Here are some exercises I use before I start singing Mantra’s, or overtone singing: Take a full breath, then; -Relax your lips and make a humming sound. Or: -Sing the sounds "aaaaaaa" (like in ‘father’), "ai", "ee", "uuuuu" and back in one sliding ‘pronunciation. -Sing the sounds "aaaaaaa", "o"(french o in ‘bon’), "o" (as in ‘pole’), "oe" ("oo") and back in one sliding ‘pronunciation. -Sing both after each other, taking a new breath at "aaaaa" Hope this helps! OM Shanti.

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I teach Nada Yoga inside of my regular Hamsa Yoga classes. Few folk realize that vocal intonation is very much a part of a hatha yoga class.  But then, look at the initial chanting of OM. Most Western studies simply say "Oooooommmmm."  The true intonation is

"AaaaaaaOoooooMmmmm."  One for each aspect of self, Self & the gods. Either way, there are voice, throat & nose exercises within a more traditional hatha yoga class. Om Shanti .. Sakti Lalita

I am a beginning yoga student and interested in learning the OM Chant. Is there a good book or web site that can explain these basics? Before you buy.

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I teach Nada Yoga inside of my regular Hamsa Yoga classes. Few folk realize that vocal intonation is very much a part of a hatha yoga class.  But then, look at the initial chanting of OM. Most Western studies simply say "Oooooommmmm."  The true intonation is "AaaaaaaOoooooMmmmm."  One for each aspect of self, Self & the gods. Either way, there are voice, throat & nose exercises within a more traditional hatha yoga class. Om Shanti .. Sakti Lalita

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Ask for a (free) introduction lesson. Try to feel how it is, use your instinct, your intuition, whatever you may call it. Yogateacher is not protected, anyone may call himself a tacher of Yoga (at least in holland). I hope you have read some books on yoga? make it clear what you expect from a yogalesson. What do you want to gain? About prices i cannot advice you unless you live in Holland as well… Here I have an idea about (hour)prices. But in the USA they might ask twice as much or more, i don’t know about the acceptable fares there, or anywhere else… Namaste – Paul.     My daughter and I are interested in beginning yoga practice.  We live in     a small town without  a lot of options…there are two teachers.     So I ask, what should we look for in a teacher?  What questions should     be ask?  As beginners is there something important we should look for?     What is a fair price to pay for lessons…on teacher works at a rather     exclusive spa the other out of his home?       Any advice is appreciated.  I want this to be a positive experience for     both of us…..     Please email me…     thank you     Julie

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Finally, a thoughful inquiry about "yoga." The many aspects of yoga are part and parcel of the Hindu, Buddhist, Jain and Sikh religions. So, the (ethical) teacher must be a qualified member of one of these religions, and they will not charge

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Just to let everybody know–The devilbabie is feeling great!! I just had a little (well, a lot) of muscle soreness that went away in a couple of days. I am walking with great posture and no effort–pain is diminishing. I feel younger!! robyn

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Robyn, "Normal pain?" From my perspective in teaching yoga, there isn’t any. Some minor discomfort is felt at times. This is the sort of soreness that will respond to gentle stretching and a warm shower/bath. If you are experiencing more than this it would be good for you to show a teacher what you are doing and learn some modification to use in your practice. You don’t tell us your age or general health, but perhaps you are the energetic type who moves vigorously into new things. In yoga a little is good, more isn’t necesarily better. The idea is to enjoy the practice and let the benefits come gently. peace, sandra

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Robyn – I have to say your post has made me squirm a bit, concerned that something might have been already pushed a bit too far. Pain is the body’s way to tell us that something potentially unhealthy is going on that we should be paying attention to.  Your question seems focused more on pain which comes after practicing, rather than during practice.  For beginners (and anyone else for that matter), I think the only "normal" post-practice pain — the kind of pain that means nothing unhealthy is being done — is probably muscle fatigue/soreness; like when you go on a hike up a mountain and the next day your quads definitely remember what they did the day before. In my own experience, any other type of pain is a potential warning sign that should be taken seriously.  Think back on your practice of the past week and the poses which you did involving your shoulder.  When did the pain start?  Were you pushing to try a new pose that was perhaps too challenging at this time or to hold a pose for a certain period?  I often find when I get those aches and pains (or real injuries, which I’ve had), its usually from my mind trying to get my body to go farther than it was comfortable going. Try to find a good teacher to talk to, but first and foremost listen to your own body.  While you are practicing and afterwards, pay attention if your body is really telling you that it does not want to go as fast as your mind would like.  Be gentle with yourself, particularly in these early days. While yoga can potentially have enormous restorative/rehabilitative benefits, it all depends on how we practice. And remember the slow road sometimes gets you there faster. Tim

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I, like so many others, am beginning yoga as a rehabilitative exercise. I was tired of always having tendinitis from anything I tried to do. After a week, though, I am so darn sore. I am not sure this necessarily bad. I mean I can feel things shifting around with my left shoulder, for instance, hurting for a change rather than my chronically ailing right one. What is normal pain as a beginner? Robyn

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