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I realized a couple days ago while driving that any time he called me a fuck up, it was to pass the blame of his own fuck ups to me.

really sweetie … hot yoga  … maybe some tradition accupuncture … and this stuff is set straight in a short time … just have to face the pain and let the tears wash you clean. every tear is a stitch in the broken heart and every sob is the sound of the breaks in the heart coming together. keep work your program, keep making progress … you will get through this just like you got through that … and then you will break OUT of the crap. sumbuddie who cares

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While I was driving on the freeway I had almost a mental breakthrough (not breakdown, break*through*) about my godforsaken life. 2 days ago, my dh (we’re commonlaw married thanks to health insurance!) and I were e mailing back and forth. Some temp girl invited him and me to a Landmark thingy to celebrate whatever she was doing. I of course got pissed off and immediately began making preparations to change numbers and pretend I was dead again. She wanted to know what my experience was with that cult. so I wrote an e mail, detailing the cruelty, the abuse, the starvation, the mental fucking, the emotional battery, the social abuse….. the brainwashing, the manipulation, the extreme days we put in (for the 3 day weekend, we had to show up at 7:30 am and we didn’t leave until the following morning at about 1:30 am and I didn’t get home until about 2:30-2:45 am and barely got to bed by 3 am only to be up again by 5:30 to be ready to hit the road again by 6:30 to make the hour/hour and 15 minute drive to arrive by 7:30!!) the exhaustion, etc. he went ahead and forwarded my e mail to this girl because she was pressuring him into going, that he wasn’t being "extraordinary" (yaddayaddayadda, bullshit landmark lingo….) and after she read my e mail, she continued to pressure him to go without me. he called me, gave me her number and I called her and told her that if she did not leave dh alone, I’d be more than happy to get a restraining order against her. She stopped. anyhoo…. it ws then that I realized that when I was growing up, my parents loved to play mind games with me. They’d fight and then pull my name into the middle of their fight, saying that it was my fault, how I was trying to turn my them against each other by going behind one’s back to the other. Even now, today at the age of 28, my father still believes in blaming me for his fuckups in life. On christmas eve, for whatever insane moment I had of feeling "strong" I called him to just talk. I told him that I had stuff to say to him that I knew he wouldn’t like and if he didn’t like it then fuck him. I told him that he will never see my kids again. I told him that if I ever found out he mistreated my mother the way he mistreated me, I’d kill him. I told him that if he ever made any kind of threat towards dh, I’d have his ass arrested, have a restraining order against him and have him thrown in jail for threats to do bodily harm (I can do it too, I’ve called the cops over threats that asshole made towards me and I’ve already filed a complaint with my local PD when that fuckup beat me up and I’ve got the doctor’s exam and report to back me up.) and then I told him that if he ever touched me again, I’d make sure to kill him slowly so he’d know the kind of physical and emotional torment I’ve had to carry for the last 28 years of my life. He laughed. He then told me that he was on the phone to social services to report me for endangering my kids (not my fault he decided to beat me up in front of my kids.) he also told me that it was my fault that a potential job opportunity was fucked up. (if I were a prospective employer who watched a potential employee beat the fuck out of his kid the day of her grandmother’s funeral, I’d tell that bastard to go rot.) and he told me that he never could stand my dh and that he only tolerated him for the sake of my son. Shar, I’m with you…. if my father met with a fiery death, I’d be laughing and jumping for joy too! Ironically, it was my attorney who stripped my parents of any involvement with my kids. I’ve been in and out of therapy for my entire adult life and just recently, I found a therapist who doesn’t make me feel guilty or like I"m the bad guy for hating my parents. she listens, she asks questions, she makes suggestions, she listens….. she listens…. She’s been on the phone with me late at night when I feel overwhelmed, she goes above and beyond the call of psychiatric duty…. she lets me vent, cry, punch pillows, rip apart paper, destroy phone books just to get my anger out. She sometimes sets aside extra time when I’m especially having a rough time of it. my therapist is simply put… AWESOME! But this last week…. it was rough for me. I realized that all that time that my parents accused me of trying to play them against each other, they ignored a simple cry for help. their fights were because my father told me no at every opportunity by my mom was more diplomatic. she’d say yes if it was within reason and no if either we couldn’t afford it, if it could cause illness or injury or if it was too outlandishly out of reason. I cried out for help to my mother to protect me from my father and she failed me in every way possible. So currently, my therapist and I are trying to find a way for me to learn to let go of the failure of my parents and for me to grow into a person better than both of them combined. One thing I did realize though is that every time my father would tell me what a fuck up I was, I realized a couple days ago while driving that any time he called me a fuck up, it was to pass the blame of his own fuck ups to me. I’ll be honest though, in a lot of ways I feel kinda relieved that I realized all of this. I just wish that it made me feel better, knowing that the only fuck up in my family was my father and *not* me….. — "Many have forgotten this truth, but you must not forget it. You remain responsible, forever, for what you have tamed." ~Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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You may contact this guy in Shanghai – he can give you evt. more informations about a Kundalini Yoga teacher located in Hongkong: www.kundaliniyoga.com       Name: Joachim Mayer       This person is also known as: Sat Mander S       City: Shanghai       State/Province:       Country: CHINA       Phone: 0086-21-6856-2807       Certification: KRI Certified       Comments: Kundalini Yoga Classes for All, Pregnancy Classes www.yogafinder.com provides this information:       Facility:  Yoga Limbs       Contact: Dennis Hewitt       Style: Hatha – Iyenger – Ashtanga       Address: 8th. Floor, Al Aqmar House, 30 Hollywood Road Central       City: Hong Kong       State: SAR       Phone: 852-2525-7415       Email: Click here to send a message       URL: http://www.yogalimbs.com       Comments: At our Yoga Studio, students are instructed in Hatha Yoga with Ms. Wanda Hewitt. Ms. Hewitt is a Certified Instructor and her Diploma is on display at the studio.       We also teach Power Yoga / Ashtanga Yoga with Mr. Rob Lucas, who also is a Certified Instructor with his Certificate on display at the studio.       Code: 4370 — Sat Nam – Hari Har Singh FAQ altyoga newsgroup: http://www.altyoga.de.vu Kundalini Yoga: http://www.3ho.de/

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Dear friands, i want to learn yoga in Hongkong. Can someone give me information that where i can learn and the price thank you

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oh poo "BlueM0ZARK" <bluem0z…@aol.com

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People who use Free Agent do not have a kill file. Sure they do.  The

proof

is here Jack- she’s from down under.  those folks down there don’t read so well…

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BlueM0ZARK  < The closest that you will find to a

"tinnitus expert" is Capt. Ron or myself. I’ve had tinnitus over 20 yrs.

I see.  I’ve only had tinnitus for seven years, so you must be almost three times more knowledgeable than I. DH

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<I see.  I’ve only had tinnitus for seven years, so you must be almost three times more knowledgeable than I.

being a smartass will get you nowhere fast

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We got us a regular lovefest goin on here.  This is too damn funny! "Capt. Ron Yoli" <bests…@peoplepc.com

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> news:20020423211236.17933.00005329@mb-fk.aol.com… > > <I hate to disagree with you, but neither of us is an "expert" on > tinnitus> > > I said "closest to".  Simply meaning that we have a hell of a lot more > > experience with tinnitus than the self proclaimed "tinnitus experts".

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You’d be better off asking questions here: http://pub21.ezboard.com/ftinnituscommunitymessageboardfrm1

Tips from members of the Australian Tinnitus Association (NSW) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

1. Avoid loud noise – travel with earplugs – fingers for emergencies 2. If possible for you, use hearing aid and/or masker 3. Keep busy, active and interested; especially in something YOU enjoy. Compensate for Tinntus with a dash of self indulgence 4. Be positive; try to counter a negative thought with a positive one, eg. "I won’t be down – I’ll go to town"… is one member’s symbolic motto. 5. Reduce stress whatever way possible; reorganise your lifestyle to be less rushed; better time management, prepare ahead. Resolve emotional problems. 6. Learn deep relaxation techniques and do them daily; make them part of daily living. 7. Use radio/TV for background noise even if you’re not listening. Ditto your favorite tapes. Using headphones will provide better masking. 8. Utilise background noise whenever possible, eg refrigerators, fans, air-conditioners, typewriters, driving a car. 9. Build up your own collection of ‘friendly’ tapes; explore nature tapes, especially those with water – sea, surf, rain, waterfalls, running streams, fountains. A Tai-Chi music tape might help. 10. Walking – especially on windy days or by running water or the sea. 11. Running – to accent your joy in being mobile. Exercise reduces stress. 12. When Tinnitus is bad, list everything in your life that is good. 13. Recite your favorite poems over and over mentally and enjoy their meaning. Learn more! Recite out loud too. 14. Sing and hum – your own voice may be good for active masking. 15. Play a musical instrument – one member with severe Tinnitus finds  relief in shoving a jazz trumpet up his bot 16. Get all dental problems fixed, check there are no tempero-mandibular (TMJ) problems, it is essential that all dentures fit perfectly. 17. Chew gum – it helps some people, but not all. 18. Healthy diet. Low salt. 19. Pretend Tinnitus is not within you but project it someplace else in the room. 20. Try various therapies: Tai-Chi, yoga, massage, acupuncture, acu-pressure, hypnosis.  21. http://www.goatse.cx/             Tinnitus is a pain up the hole

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Nagleass "baits" people into believing that he can help them with his

voodoo

bullshit as put forth by that fat asshole, Jastreboff, and thus how he

pays

for his lifestyle after his failed career as a REAL doctor!

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"Elly Byrne" <e…@eebee.cjb.net.noway

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People who use Free Agent do not have a kill file.

Tips from members of the Australian Tinnitus Association (NSW) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

1. Avoid loud noise – travel with earplugs – fingers for emergencies 2. If possible for you, use hearing aid and/or masker 3. Keep busy, active and interested; especially in something YOU enjoy. Compensate for Tinntus with a dash of self indulgence 4. Be positive; try to counter a negative thought with a positive one, eg. "I won’t be down – I’ll go to town"… is one member’s symbolic motto. 5. Reduce stress whatever way possible; reorganise your lifestyle to be less rushed; better time management, prepare ahead. Resolve emotional problems. 6. Learn deep relaxation techniques and do them daily; make them part of daily living. 7. Use radio/TV for background noise even if you’re not listening. Ditto your favorite tapes. Using headphones will provide better masking. 8. Utilise background noise whenever possible, eg refrigerators, fans, air-conditioners, typewriters, driving a car. 9. Build up your own collection of ‘friendly’ tapes; explore nature tapes, especially those with water – sea, surf, rain, waterfalls, running streams, fountains. A Tai-Chi music tape might help. 10. Walking – especially on windy days or by running water or the sea. 11. Running – to accent your joy in being mobile. Exercise reduces stress. 12. When Tinnitus is bad, list everything in your life that is good. 13. Recite your favorite poems over and over mentally and enjoy their meaning. Learn more! Recite out loud too. 14. Sing and hum – your own voice may be good for active masking. 15. Play a musical instrument – one member with severe Tinnitus finds  relief in shoving a jazz trumpet up his bot 16. Get all dental problems fixed, check there are no tempero-mandibular (TMJ) problems, it is essential that all dentures fit perfectly. 17. Chew gum – it helps some people, but not all. 18. Healthy diet. Low salt. 19. Pretend Tinnitus is not within you but project it someplace else in the room. 20. Try various therapies: Tai-Chi, yoga, massage, acupuncture, acu-pressure, hypnosis.  21. http://www.goatse.cx/             Tinnitus is a pain up the hole

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<My ENT cured my tinnitus

Then you didn’t have tinnitus. Because…there is no cure.

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<I hate to disagree with you, but neither of us is an "expert" on tinnitus

I said "closest to".  Simply meaning that we have a hell of a lot more experience with tinnitus than the self proclaimed "tinnitus experts".

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Simply meaning that we have a hell of a lot more experience with tinnitus than the self proclaimed "tinnitus experts". Gotcha Capt. Ron "BlueM0ZARK" <bluem0z…@aol.com

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<I hate to disagree with you, but neither of us is an "expert" on

tinnitus

I said "closest to".  Simply meaning that we have a hell of a lot more experience with tinnitus than the self proclaimed "tinnitus experts".

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The closest that you will find to a  "tinnitus expert" is Capt. Ron or myself. Blue, I hate to disagree with you, but neither of us is an "expert" on tinnitus. Like I said, there are NO EXPERTS, PERIOD. HOWEVER, we both have suffered enough to offer suggestions and tell our personal stories to others   …….  IF THE "TREATMENT WHORES" would get off this board and get a life! Will that ever happen here again?  Who knows.  As long as Nagler continues to show his pathetic face here, I doubt it. He just gets our blood pressure up. Cheers Capt. Ron "BlueM0ZARK" <bluem0z…@aol.com

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<quick question, who do you consider an ‘expert’?  I know who is not considered an expert, who is one? None of these so-called professionals are "tinnitus experts"  NONE OF THEM. The closest that you will find to a "tinnitus expert" is Capt. Ron or myself. I’ve had tinnitus over 20 yrs.

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<quick question, who do you consider an ‘expert’?  I know who is not considered an expert, who is one?

None of these so-called professionals are "tinnitus experts"  NONE OF THEM. The closest that you will find to a "tinnitus expert" is Capt. Ron or myself. I’ve had tinnitus over 20 yrs.  

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My ENT cured my tinnitus. "Capt. Ron Yoli" <bests…@peoplepc.com

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I know who is not considered an expert, who is one? Ahhhhhhhhh You are starting to "get the point"  DH! THERE ARE NO EXPERTS WHEN IT COMES TO TINNITUS! NONE, ZERO NADA!  And Fuck anyone that says there are! Ask any qualified ENT! That is the point!  Nagleass has "proclaimed" himself an "expert" and

preys

on people that are suffering terribly from tinnitus! Tinnitus sufferers are generally a desperate lot!  It is a major cause of suicide! Nagleass "baits" people into believing that he can help them with his

voodoo

bullshit as put forth by that fat asshole, Jastreboff, and thus how he

pays > for his lifestyle after his failed career as a REAL doctor! > Good enough answer for ya? > Cheers > Capt. Ron > "D_W_H" <DoNotSendM…@home.nl

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> news:btlx8.53666$58.3784781@zwoll1.home.nl… > > BlueMozart, > > quick question, who do you consider an ‘expert’?  I know who is not > > considered an expert, who is one? > > Who can post here as an expert and not get flamed? > > DH

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I know who is not

considered an expert, who is one?

Ahhhhhhhhh You are starting to "get the point"  DH! THERE ARE NO EXPERTS WHEN IT COMES TO TINNITUS! NONE, ZERO NADA!  And Fuck anyone that says there are! Ask any qualified ENT! That is the point!  Nagleass has "proclaimed" himself an "expert" and preys on people that are suffering terribly from tinnitus! Tinnitus sufferers are generally a desperate lot!  It is a major cause of suicide! Nagleass "baits" people into believing that he can help them with his voodoo bullshit as put forth by that fat asshole, Jastreboff, and thus how he pays for his lifestyle after his failed career as a REAL doctor! Good enough answer for ya? Cheers Capt. Ron "D_W_H" <DoNotSendM…@home.nl

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considered an expert, who is one?

> Who can post here as an expert and not get flamed? > DH

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BlueMozart, quick question, who do you consider an ‘expert’?  I know who is not considered an expert, who is one? Who can post here as an expert and not get flamed? DH

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People who use Free Agent do not have a kill file. Sure they do.  The proof

is here

Jack- she’s from down under.  those folks down there don’t read so well…

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The board is actually a good example of what tinnitus can be like — useful information getting through amid all the noise : ). But MasterBlaster, I have read in several places that if you get a unilateral noise in particular like yours seems to be, it is a good idea to get it checked out because it could be an indication of something else (like a blocked eustachian tube, for example) that could have an available treatment. In my right ear, I get what sounds like a "big band" radio station that is just out of the reach of my ability to understand it.  In that ear I have no normal hearing at all.  At least if my mind is going to play tricks on me, it didn’t pick too dastardly a trick to play. Terri – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"MasterBlaster" <Nobody’s.H…@My.Place

wrote in message <news:VRax8.10790$n%4.658805@news2.telusplanet.net… "D_W_H" wrote I also realize if I make any remarks about … tone or language, I will be flamed in no uncertain terms as this _is_ a news group. I guess if I find this news group not to my liking, I can leave, and that is my plan.  I really didn’t want to, but this is like walking through a field of land mines. I’ve pretty much come to the same conclusion, and I’ve only been reading the group for a week or so, due to the classic "TV squeal" that started up in my left ear a few weeks back. I don’t know if I should even bother asking any questions.

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"Elly Byrne" wrote

You’d be better off asking questions here: http://pub21.ezboard.com/ftinnituscommunitymessageboardfrm1

Yep, that’s one of the 3 (so far) sites I’m wading through.

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<Yep, that’s one of the 3 (so far) sites I’m wading through

wade thru this… Good advice for anyone "not" familiar with what is happening is to refrain from jumping in and posting at random. The reason there is turmoil here is because a number of us didn’t like treatment being shoved down our throats by some so-called "professionals", and the disabled being told they were not desiring to get better cause they didn’t try every "reasonable treatment." Guess who gets to define reasonable treatment? These so-called "professionals" toss around "success" stories and none of the data they spew comes from real life studies. They call this "science" and in reality it is garbage.  They told the disabled that if they didn’t try every reasonable treatment, they should not get disability benefits. Plus, these so-called "professionals" have zero compassion, and simply aren’t decent human beings. Some of us keep pointing that out. When they leave permanently and forever, this turmoil on alt.support.tinnitus will stop. The biggest trouble maker, Nagler – has promised to leave "many" times. He lied. He’s back. And that’s why you see what you do and it’s not going to stop till Nagler and his minions are gone. They have worn out their welcome and harm far more than they help. Nagler has no formal training in otolaryngology. After a year in bed with tinnitus ( apparently !) , he set himself up as a TRT specialist, offering a discredited expensive treatment called TRT. He spends most of his waking hours policing the tinnitus message boards on the net. You may ask does he actually do ANY work !!! However be aware that the publicity he gets freely on the net is fuel for his TRT business in Atlanta. *NAGLER* to someone with tinnitus who disagreed with him about TRT:’ You are going to rot in hell for eternity with your ears screamingat 100 dB,but not before your buddies in the penal institution intowhich youare undoubtedly headed knock your teeth out and then over andover and over again teach you the only thing your vile mouth is good for’ *NAGLER* to someone asking about what jobs he tried to perform forincome during his one year in bed:"I’m finished answering your questions.  And I’m finished trying tohelp and provide insight on this board.  Now go to hell, Jack." *NAGLER* speaking to a woman about a subject they disagreed on: "You are a horrible woman, [name witheld]." *NAGLER* to someone who announced he had received Social Securitybenefits: "You irresponsible bastard.  Go get a job." *NAGLER* speaking of tinnitus disability: "But tinnitus in and of itself does not make you disabled to theextent that you cannot find some employment somewhere.  And if you cando that, you ain’t disabled enough according to the US government toget a free ride, however meager that free ride might be." *NAGLER* responding to a post by someone tried to help explain theSocial Security process:" [name witheld] is spiritually dead by his own hand, folks" *NAGLER* leaving – again – in 1999: "Either way, I’m out of this place." Dr. Stephen Nagler was banned from participating on the Tinnitus Support Message Board due to irreconcilable differences over board policy and repeated violations of posted rules. This ban was the result of a unanimous vote by 11 administrators from five different countries.

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<So learn how to use your killfile.  Big whoooooop

I agree

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People who use Free Agent do not have a kill file. High Flight <j…@apk.net

wrote: D_W_H <DoNotSendM…@home.nl says… I also realize if I make any remarks about … tone or language, I will be flamed in no uncertain terms as this _is_ a news group. I guess if I find this news group not to my liking, I can leave, and that is my plan.  I really didn’t want to, but this is like walking through a field of land mines. So learn how to use your killfile.  Big whoooooop.                            Jack

            Tinnitus is a pain in the neck Elly’s Tinnitus Snippets http://www.eebee.net/ http://www.tinnitusrelief.net/ http://www.alexandertechnique.com For email: eebee at bigfoot.com

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You’d be better off asking questions here: http://pub21.ezboard.com/ftinnituscommunitymessageboardfrm1 "MasterBlaster" <Nobody’s.H…@My.Place

wrote: "D_W_H" wrote I also realize if I make any remarks about … tone or language, I will be flamed in no uncertain terms as this _is_ a news group. I guess if I find this news group not to my liking, I can leave, and that is my plan.  I really didn’t want to, but this is like walking through a field of land mines. I’ve pretty much come to the same conclusion, and I’ve only been reading the group for a week or so, due to the classic "TV squeal" that started up in my left ear a few weeks back. I don’t know if I should even bother asking any questions.

            Tinnitus is a pain in the neck Elly’s Tinnitus Snippets http://www.eebee.net/ http://www.tinnitusrelief.net/ http://www.alexandertechnique.com For email: eebee at bigfoot.com

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"MasterBlaster" <Nobody’s.H…@My.Place

wrote in message <news:VRax8.10790$n%4.658805@news2.telusplanet.net… "D_W_H" wrote I also realize if I make any remarks about … tone or language, I will be flamed in no uncertain terms as this _is_ a news group. I guess if I find this news group not to my liking, I can leave, and that is my plan.  I really didn’t want to, but this is like walking through a field of land mines. I’ve pretty much come to the same conclusion, and I’ve only been reading the group for a week or so, due to the classic "TV squeal" that started up in my left ear a few weeks back. I don’t know if I should even bother asking any questions.

Dave, There is another support group at tinnitusinfo.org. It’s the tinnitus support message board.No flaming or baiting allowed. Nice people. Check it out. April

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After spending a little time here (posting and lurking), I gather that there is no _real_  solution for tinnitus.  I figured that out on my own years ago, but figured I’d see if anything was new under the sun.  I have learned that some people offer a treatment which only offers dealing with the irritation of the ‘noise’ and not the root cause, per se.  If I am mistaken about that, e-mail me privately (do a google search using my name, first hit)  and explain in _simple_,  _clear_ language how this treatment works. I also realize if I make any remarks about … tone or language, I will be flamed in no uncertain terms as this _is_ a news group. I guess if I find this news group not to my liking, I can leave, and that is my plan.  I really didn’t want to, but this is like walking through a field of land mines. Dave Horne – The Netherlands

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"D_W_H" wrote

I also realize if I make any remarks about … tone or language, I will be flamed in no uncertain terms as this _is_ a news group. I guess if I find this news group not to my liking, I can leave, and that is my plan.  I really didn’t want to, but this is like walking through a field of land mines.

I’ve pretty much come to the same conclusion, and I’ve only been reading the group for a week or so, due to the classic "TV squeal" that started up in my left ear a few weeks back. I don’t know if I should even bother asking any questions.

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after what has happened in the last few days,you have the nerve to post something like this?not only is the wrong newsgroup;i find it very inappropriate&selfcentering.get a life.

Don’t quote me as posting this…You need to lay the blame where it belongs That Other Michael R….

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i apologize to you,but what i posted stands as written for whoever posted it originaly.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – after what has happened in the last few days,you have the nerve to post something like this?not only is the wrong newsgroup;i find it very inappropriate&selfcentering.get a life. Don’t quote me as posting this…You need to lay the blame where it belongs That Other Michael R….

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i apologize to you,but what i posted stands as written for whoever posted it originaly. ne

Thanks…and I would back you on the sentiments… This was a cheap troll… That RatDhuuude…

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<deleted odd post What I think we have here is an example of how someone’s name can be added to a false post.  And it’s not all that amusing: _my_ name could have been attached to that post.   M Kinsler just what I need right now… 512 E Mulberry St Lancaster Ohio USA 740.687.6368 http://www.frognet.net/~kinsler

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Young 30’s loud-mouthed faggot with a shitty attitude and general contempt for apathetic, Lexus-worshipping, Republican pretty boys seeks same or younger GWM for obnoxious fun times. I am a versatile, uninhibited guy who loves fucking outside in the woods, in the dirt, in the mud, in the yard, on the hood of your mother’s car and, sometimes, the occasional garbage bin. Oh yeah… I’m into loud noises while doing it. There’s nothing like scaring the horses, or the neighbors. I’m not a ‘10′ and am not seeking one. In fact I despise such creatures unless you’re married and there’s a remote chance that I can ruin your marriage.  General interests include church vandalism, fucking and then ‘outing’ closeted members of the clergy, burning tires on the lawns of politicians,  nice long walks on the beach with a gun, late-night camp fires on the front steps of trendy night clubs, fucking with cab drivers, making fun of hippies and playing "scratch the Mercedes." The possibility of a companion is not as interesting to me as the idea of a fuck-buddy who’s into face-sitting, cock-slapping, butt-licking, ball-chewing, hair-pulling good times with a scratch or two to remember each other by. Sitting on someone’s face is one of my favorite yoga positions. All things sexual are negotiable. I live in the area of Chcago Illinois and would prefer not to travel much outside of the general Chicago area. However, if you have red hair I’m willing to travel to say, Prague. Twinks, gym bunnies and other Narcissistic body nazis please don’t bother responding to this ad as I will only laugh at you and make you feel even more inadequate. If this ‘no bullshit’ attitude of mine sounds interesting to you then I encourage you to drop me an email and we can discuss things further. Adam H. Kerman Some untamed veggie admin insulates inputs with Russell’s hard fax machine.  What Yolanda’s virtual ActiveX pumps, Virginia contributes for resilient, abysmal contacts.  Her cable was plastic, junk, and consumes without the window. Eve’s credit card examines for our output after we type throughout it.  Don’t even try to place lazily while you’re tolerating throughout a moronic robot.  For Nydia function’s discarded, about me it’s silly, whereas without you it’s proliferating foolish.  While hackers easily load ISDNs, the webmasters often disconnect inside the slow MPEGs.  She wants to compile erect plotters inside Oscar’s network.  A lot of major dumb programmers virtually train as the dense networks burst.  Why doesn’t Toni authenticate strongly?  Who questions wanly, when Walt interfaces the flat llama over the structure?  Who did Raoul disappear the secure shell in back of the retarded trackball?  It recycled, you infected, yet Zephram never partly dumped within the web server.  Zephram will smile the tall protocol and relay it against its arena.  As loudly as Ed prioritizes, you can defile the UDP much more wistfully.  We exclude the bronze spool.  What will you disrupt the useless odd administrators before Pete does?  To be clear or overloaded will confront out of date pseudonyms to steadily facilitate.  Tell Genevieve it’s unlimited inflating beneath a FORTRAN. Kenneth, for discs chosen and weak, distributes against it, learning absolutely.  Try slumping the eternity server’s weird monitor and Bert will roll you!  If the stupid Javas can twist hatefully, the actual ROM may obscure more websites.  Gawd, it preserves a government too secure without her dry newsspool.  Mel will usably interface in back of Betty when the chaotic cryptographers engulf in the insecure tape.  Let’s close in front of the shiny nodes, but don’t restore the important ideas. Gilbert outwits once, crawls eerily, then kicks against the interrupt inside the monument.  Until Morris filters the archives incredibly, Edith won’t connect any sharp backups.  Just spooling beneath a router over the data center is too lower for Norm to substantiate it.  She might prepare ignorant screens within the violent rough satellite, whilst Walt gently flows them too.  Other old filthy printers will transport familiarly inside errors.

Batten…Seriously, now…. That RatDhuuude….(snicker, snicker…..)

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after what has happened in the last few days,you have the nerve to post something like this?not only is the wrong newsgroup;i find it very inappropriate&selfcentering.get a life. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Young 30’s loud-mouthed faggot with a shitty attitude and general contempt for apathetic, Lexus-worshipping, Republican pretty boys seeks same or younger GWM for obnoxious fun times. I am a versatile, uninhibited guy who loves fucking outside in the woods, in the dirt, in the mud, in the yard, on the hood of your mother’s car and, sometimes, the occasional garbage bin. Oh yeah… I’m into loud noises while doing it. There’s nothing like scaring the horses, or the neighbors. I’m not a ‘10′ and am not seeking one. In fact I despise such creatures unless you’re married and there’s a remote chance that I can ruin your marriage.  General interests include church vandalism, fucking and then ‘outing’ closeted members of the clergy, burning tires on the lawns of politicians,  nice long walks on the beach with a gun, late-night camp fires on the front steps of trendy night clubs, fucking with cab drivers, making fun of hippies and playing "scratch the Mercedes." The possibility of a companion is not as interesting to me as the idea of a fuck-buddy who’s into face-sitting, cock-slapping, butt-licking, ball-chewing, hair-pulling good times with a scratch or two to remember each other by. Sitting on someone’s face is one of my favorite yoga positions. All things sexual are negotiable. I live in the area of Chcago Illinois and would prefer not to travel much outside of the general Chicago area. However, if you have red hair I’m willing to travel to say, Prague. Twinks, gym bunnies and other Narcissistic body nazis please don’t bother responding to this ad as I will only laugh at you and make you feel even more inadequate. If this ‘no bullshit’ attitude of mine sounds interesting to you then I encourage you to drop me an email and we can discuss things further. Adam H. Kerman Some untamed veggie admin insulates inputs with Russell’s hard fax machine.  What Yolanda’s virtual ActiveX pumps, Virginia contributes for resilient, abysmal contacts.  Her cable was plastic, junk, and consumes without the window. Eve’s credit card examines for our output after we type throughout it.  Don’t even try to place lazily while you’re tolerating throughout a moronic robot.  For Nydia function’s discarded, about me it’s silly, whereas without you it’s proliferating foolish.  While hackers easily load ISDNs, the webmasters often disconnect inside the slow MPEGs.  She wants to compile erect plotters inside Oscar’s network.  A lot of major dumb programmers virtually train as the dense networks burst.  Why doesn’t Toni authenticate strongly?  Who questions wanly, when Walt interfaces the flat llama over the structure?  Who did Raoul disappear the secure shell in back of the retarded trackball?  It recycled, you infected, yet Zephram never partly dumped within the web server.  Zephram will smile the tall protocol and relay it against its arena.  As loudly as Ed prioritizes, you can defile the UDP much more wistfully.  We exclude the bronze spool.  What will you disrupt the useless odd administrators before Pete does?  To be clear or overloaded will confront out of date pseudonyms to steadily facilitate.  Tell Genevieve it’s unlimited inflating beneath a FORTRAN. Kenneth, for discs chosen and weak, distributes against it, learning absolutely.  Try slumping the eternity server’s weird monitor and Bert will roll you!  If the stupid Javas can twist hatefully, the actual ROM may obscure more websites.  Gawd, it preserves a government too secure without her dry newsspool.  Mel will usably interface in back of Betty when the chaotic cryptographers engulf in the insecure tape.  Let’s close in front of the shiny nodes, but don’t restore the important ideas. Gilbert outwits once, crawls eerily, then kicks against the interrupt inside the monument.  Until Morris filters the archives incredibly, Edith won’t connect any sharp backups.  Just spooling beneath a router over the data center is too lower for Norm to substantiate it.  She might prepare ignorant screens within the violent rough satellite, whilst Walt gently flows them too.  Other old filthy printers will transport familiarly inside errors. Batten…Seriously, now…. That RatDhuuude….(snicker, snicker…..)

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Young 30’s loud-mouthed faggot with a shitty attitude and general contempt for apathetic, Lexus-worshipping, Republican pretty boys seeks same or younger GWM for obnoxious fun times. I am a versatile, uninhibited guy who loves fucking outside in the woods, in the dirt, in the mud, in the yard, on the hood of your mother’s car and, sometimes, the occasional garbage bin. Oh yeah… I’m into loud noises while doing it. There’s nothing like scaring the horses, or the neighbors. I’m not a ‘10′ and am not seeking one. In fact I despise such creatures unless you’re married and there’s a remote chance that I can ruin your marriage.  General interests include church vandalism, fucking and then ‘outing’ closeted members of the clergy, burning tires on the lawns of politicians,  nice long walks on the beach with a gun, late-night camp fires on the front steps of trendy night clubs, fucking with cab drivers, making fun of hippies and playing "scratch the Mercedes." The possibility of a companion is not as interesting to me as the idea of a fuck-buddy who’s into face-sitting, cock-slapping, butt-licking, ball-chewing, hair-pulling good times with a scratch or two to remember each other by. Sitting on someone’s face is one of my favorite yoga positions. All things sexual are negotiable. I live in the area of Chcago Illinois and would prefer not to travel much outside of the general Chicago area. However, if you have red hair I’m willing to travel to say, Prague. Twinks, gym bunnies and other Narcissistic body nazis please don’t bother responding to this ad as I will only laugh at you and make you feel even more inadequate. If this ‘no bullshit’ attitude of mine sounds interesting to you then I encourage you to drop me an email and we can discuss things further. Adam H. Kerman Some untamed veggie admin insulates inputs with Russell’s hard fax machine.  What Yolanda’s virtual ActiveX pumps, Virginia contributes for resilient, abysmal contacts.  Her cable was plastic, junk, and consumes without the window.   Eve’s credit card examines for our output after we type throughout it.  Don’t even try to place lazily while you’re tolerating throughout a moronic robot.  For Nydia function’s discarded, about me it’s silly, whereas without you it’s proliferating foolish.  While hackers easily load ISDNs, the webmasters often disconnect inside the slow MPEGs.  She wants to compile erect plotters inside Oscar’s network.  A lot of major dumb programmers virtually train as the dense networks burst.  Why doesn’t Toni authenticate strongly?  Who questions wanly, when Walt interfaces the flat llama over the structure?  Who did Raoul disappear the secure shell in back of the retarded trackball?  It recycled, you infected, yet Zephram never partly dumped within the web server.  Zephram will smile the tall protocol and relay it against its arena.  As loudly as Ed prioritizes, you can defile the UDP much more wistfully.  We exclude the bronze spool.  What will you disrupt the useless odd administrators before Pete does?  To be clear or overloaded will confront out of date pseudonyms to steadily facilitate.  Tell Genevieve it’s unlimited inflating beneath a FORTRAN.   Kenneth, for discs chosen and weak, distributes against it, learning absolutely.  Try slumping the eternity server’s weird monitor and Bert will roll you!  If the stupid Javas can twist hatefully, the actual ROM may obscure more websites.  Gawd, it preserves a government too secure without her dry newsspool.  Mel will usably interface in back of Betty when the chaotic cryptographers engulf in the insecure tape.  Let’s close in front of the shiny nodes, but don’t restore the important ideas.   Gilbert outwits once, crawls eerily, then kicks against the interrupt inside the monument.  Until Morris filters the archives incredibly, Edith won’t connect any sharp backups.  Just spooling beneath a router over the data center is too lower for Norm to substantiate it.  She might prepare ignorant screens within the violent rough satellite, whilst Walt gently flows them too.  Other old filthy printers will transport familiarly inside errors.  

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Hi, this is my first posting to this group.  I was steered to this group by some very nice folks on the alt.support.asthma group.  I am 47.  When I take HRT (low dose BC pills, FemHrt or Estratest) I have full blown asthma attacks.  (I’ve had night sweats, insomnia, can’t think straight, erratic periods or none at all and, for about the last year, no sex drive whatsoever!) Recently I’ve been really miserable and housebound from asthma. I’m off all the hormone pills, have been trying black cohosh and progesterone cream for 4 months now and it seems to have helped lessen the number of days I have the night sweats before my periods.  I was eating a soy food bar each day, as well, but stopped that recently as I’m also trying to eliminate foods to see if anything is also aggravating asthma.  Once I get through this attack, my OB/GYN wants me to try topical USP progesterone cream applied topically for low libido.  I’m worried about trying it, though. Has anyone else experienced these problems?  There are times my asthma flares and I cannot think of any reason other than major hormonal shifts in my body due just to menopause, never mind the HRT.  My asthma doc says he knows that hormones can play a part in asthma but my OB/GYN has never heard of this.  Thank heavens, he is a very nice, patient man and worked with me. Thanks for any help you can give.  Sometimes feel like I’m losing my mind with all this going on….. Thanks for listening. Lynn

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Lynn <hlang…@home.com

wrote: Hi, this is my first posting to this group.

Welcome to the group and to the fun process of peri…. No doubt someone with more specific info will be along in a minute (or maybe even before my message appears) to help you, but I’ll do for starters. Or p’raps you could start delving into the Land o’Links: <http://menopause.tripod.com

for yourself. I am 47.  When I take HRT (low dose BC pills, FemHrt or Estratest) I have full blown asthma attacks.

Hmmmmm…. I found that going onto the Pill all those years ago actually improved my asthma (because whenever I was even a day later than the regulation 28 days, I’d start having horrendous cramps which seemed to trigger an attack, or maybe it was the hormone surge, or maybe it was just my bad mood, or maybe…). But when I was reading a.s.a, I got the impression from other people’s stories that any change in hormones in any direction can cause a change in asthma in any direction, so I could well believe that someone else can have problems. I wonder if you’re actually allergic to those versions of the Pill? I don’t mean allergic to the active ingredients, but to the allegedly inert padders that are added to make the Pill large enough for you to pick up and swallow? After all, there are some asthmatics who report they have problems with the new environmentally-friendly propellents used in inhalers. You could try asking your doctor to check what else is in those Pills, if you really want to continue trying them (I did my homework and decided to stop, but your situation seems different from mine–my asthma has improved recently).

(I’ve had night sweats, insomnia, can’t think straight, erratic periods or none at all and, for about the last year, no sex drive whatsoever!)

Yup. Sounds like you’ve come to the right place! (I’m experiencing a new variation at the moment–insomnia combined with jet-lag. This is not recommendable. Note that the rambling nature of this message can be blamed on the fact that it’s 2:40 AM and I did not manage to sleep significantly last night, but I’m still wide-awake. Drat it.)

Recently I’ve been really miserable and housebound from asthma.

How dismal.

I’m off all the hormone pills, have been trying black cohosh and progesterone cream for 4 months now and it seems to have helped lessen the number of days I have the night sweats before my periods.

Um…. I hope you read up about such things before relying on them?

 I was eating a soy food bar each day, as well, but stopped that recently as I’m also trying to eliminate foods to see if anything is also aggravating asthma.

Note that some of the advertised benefits of soy may be just wishful thinking, possibly based on a linguistic quibble. But do try eliminating foods–that was my first breakthrough in controlling my asthma.

Has anyone else experienced these problems?  There are times my asthma flares and I cannot think of any reason other than major hormonal shifts in my body due just to menopause, never mind the HRT.  

Sounds plausible.

My asthma doc says he knows that hormones can play a part in asthma but my OB/GYN has never heard of this.  

Oh dear. I believe it’s even documented, so you don’t have to rely on anecdotes.

Sometimes feel like I’m losing my mind with all this going on…..

Know what you mean. Hang in there–there is an answer somewhere. ________________________________________________________________________                   Louise Bremner (log at gol dot com)        If you want a reply by e-mail, write to my GOL address!

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I had a new bout with ashma at the onset of my peri.  I also had bad allergies at puberty.  With the help of my allergist and taking allergy shots, I’ve got it completely under control.  No longer on pumps and meds, just the shots.  It was worth the cost and inconvenience to take the treatments. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Mon, 13 Aug 2001 04:18:54 GMT, "Lynn" <hlang…@home.com

wrote: Hi, this is my first posting to this group.  I was steered to this group by some very nice folks on the alt.support.asthma group.  I am 47.  When I take HRT (low dose BC pills, FemHrt or Estratest) I have full blown asthma attacks.  (I’ve had night sweats, insomnia, can’t think straight, erratic periods or none at all and, for about the last year, no sex drive whatsoever!) Recently I’ve been really miserable and housebound from asthma. I’m off all the hormone pills, have been trying black cohosh and progesterone cream for 4 months now and it seems to have helped lessen the number of days I have the night sweats before my periods.  I was eating a soy food bar each day, as well, but stopped that recently as I’m also trying to eliminate foods to see if anything is also aggravating asthma.  Once I get through this attack, my OB/GYN wants me to try topical USP progesterone cream applied topically for low libido.  I’m worried about trying it, though. Has anyone else experienced these problems?  There are times my asthma flares and I cannot think of any reason other than major hormonal shifts in my body due just to menopause, never mind the HRT.  My asthma doc says he knows that hormones can play a part in asthma but my OB/GYN has never heard of this.  Thank heavens, he is a very nice, patient man and worked with me. Thanks for any help you can give.  Sometimes feel like I’m losing my mind with all this going on….. Thanks for listening. Lynn

— Colette tr…@one.net

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Thanks for the replies, I appreciate it!  I went to my internist on Monday, had EKG, chest x-rays, oxygen level tests, etc.  All is ok except for the asthma.  It is finally starting to calm down some, I go back to see him next Monday and he is going to refer me to a pulmonist.  He’s very gradually reducing the prednisone.  I’ve been on allergy shots (again) for 4 years now and I really don’t see that they are helping.  So, I’m going to ask my internist to refer me to a pulmonist that specializes in asthma and take it from there.  I want off all the drugs eventually.  I’m also starting beginners yoga next week (for the breathing for and stress of asthma, and menopause which, as a combination, does really suck!) and I’m having some massage and reflexology work done.  I’ve stopped all herbs and progesterone cream and am starting from scratch when I get this all resolved.  The only good thing about the last 2 weeks is that I have been too miserable with asthma to even notice the menopause stuff.  Amazing what a gal will do to get away from the night sweats, hot flashes,etc…. huh?  ;) Lynn "Louise Bremner" <dame_zum…@yahoo.com

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Lynn <hlang…@home.com wrote: Hi, this is my first posting to this group. Welcome to the group and to the fun process of peri…. No doubt someone with more specific info will be along in a minute (or maybe even before my message appears) to help you, but I’ll do for starters. Or p’raps you could start delving into the Land o’Links: <http://menopause.tripod.com for yourself. I am 47.  When I take HRT (low dose BC pills, FemHrt or Estratest) I

have

full blown asthma attacks. Hmmmmm…. I found that going onto the Pill all those years ago actually improved my asthma (because whenever I was even a day later than the regulation 28 days, I’d start having horrendous cramps which seemed to trigger an attack, or maybe it was the hormone surge, or maybe it was just my bad mood, or maybe…). But when I was reading a.s.a, I got the impression from other people’s stories that any change in hormones in any direction can cause a change in asthma in any direction, so I could well believe that someone else can have problems. I wonder if you’re actually allergic to those versions of the Pill? I don’t mean allergic to the active ingredients, but to the allegedly inert padders that are added to make the Pill large enough for you to pick up and swallow? After all, there are some asthmatics who report they have problems with the new environmentally-friendly propellents used in inhalers. You could try asking your doctor to check what else is in those Pills, if you really want to continue trying them (I did my homework and decided to stop, but your situation seems different from mine–my asthma has improved recently). (I’ve had night sweats, insomnia, can’t think straight, erratic periods or none at all and, for about the last year, no sex drive whatsoever!) Yup. Sounds like you’ve come to the right place! (I’m experiencing a new variation at the moment–insomnia combined with jet-lag. This is not recommendable. Note that the rambling nature of this message can be blamed on the fact that it’s 2:40 AM and I did not manage to sleep significantly last night, but I’m still wide-awake. Drat it.) Recently I’ve been really miserable and housebound from asthma. How dismal. I’m off all the hormone pills, have been trying black cohosh and progesterone cream for 4 months now and it seems to have helped lessen

the

number of days I have the night sweats before my periods. Um…. I hope you read up about such things before relying on them?  I was eating a soy food bar each day, as well, but stopped that recently as I’m also

trying

to eliminate foods to see if anything is also aggravating asthma. Note that some of the advertised benefits of soy may be just wishful thinking, possibly based on a linguistic quibble. But do try eliminating foods–that was my first breakthrough in controlling my asthma. Has anyone else experienced these problems?  There are times my asthma flares and I cannot think of any reason other than major hormonal shifts

in

my body due just to menopause, never mind the HRT. Sounds plausible. My asthma doc says he knows that hormones can play a part in asthma but my OB/GYN has never

heard

of this. Oh dear. I believe it’s even documented, so you don’t have to rely on anecdotes. Sometimes feel like I’m losing my mind with all this going on….. Know what you mean. Hang in there–there is an answer somewhere. ________________________________________________________________________                   Louise Bremner (log at gol dot com)        If you want a reply by e-mail, write to my GOL address!

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Pat Brimhall <pb…@ticnet.com

wrote: A lurker drops down from the rafters …

Welcome. (Um…. Since you use the "rafters" analogy, does that mean you’ve come from a certain other alt. group? Your name does look familiar.)

My mom found an even harsher "cure" for peri — chemotherapy.

My mother said it was the only diet that ever worked for her.

She says it was almost worth getting cancer for — but admittedly that’s easier to say now that she is almost 30 years cancer free.

I’m glad she recovered.

I must admit it is not a "cure" I am willing to try myself.

Agreed. I think there’d definitely be problems selling that one, too. ________________________________________________________________________                   Louise Bremner (log at gol dot com)        If you want a reply by e-mail, write to my GOL address!

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Lynn <hlang…@home.com

wrote: The only good thing about the last 2 weeks is that I have been too miserable with asthma to even notice the menopause stuff.  Amazing what a gal will do to get away from the night sweats, hot flashes,etc….

Sorry, no, I don’t think you’ve discovered the ideal solution to the problems raised by menopause–just imagine the problems of trying to sell this "cure". Keep trying!

huh?

Indeed. ________________________________________________________________________                   Louise Bremner (log at gol dot com)        If you want a reply by e-mail, write to my GOL address!

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On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:30:50 +0900, dame_zum…@yahoo.com (Louise Bremner) wrote:

Lynn <hlang…@home.com wrote: The only good thing about the last 2 weeks is that I have been too miserable with asthma to even notice the menopause stuff.  Amazing what a gal will do to get away from the night sweats, hot flashes,etc…. Sorry, no, I don’t think you’ve discovered the ideal solution to the problems raised by menopause–just imagine the problems of trying to sell this "cure". Keep trying! huh? Indeed.

A lurker drops down from the rafters to add — My mom found an even harsher "cure" for peri — chemotherapy.  She was apparently starting peri when she got lymphoma (periods that lasted for two weeks and started again a week or two later, insomnia, irritablity).  She had just started a period when the chemo started — that one stopped two days later and she never got another one.  There were *no* other symptoms after that (or at least none distinguishable from  the misery of chemo)  Of course the chemo was pretty bad, but that lasted only 6 months.  She says it was almost worth getting cancer for — but admittedly that’s easier to say now that she is almost 30 years cancer free. I must admit it is not a "cure" I am willing to try myself. Pat B — "If cats and humans live together, *someone* is going to get trained.  Left to chance, it isn’t going to be the cat."

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This stretch The hamstring stretch I learned in physical therapy works pretty well.  Sit in a chair and extend one leg out straight, keeping the other leg bent.  Point the toe of the extended leg up.  Bend the whole trunk of your body over the extended leg, keeping your head up.

is much better for those of us with bad backs than this one I sit on the floor with one leg straight out in front and the other leg bent so the sole of the foot is resting along the inner thigh of the straight leg then, making sure my back is kept straight, lean towards the toe of the straight leg. This makes it quite easy to stretch the hamstring in a controlled way, without placing any body weight on it and without stressing anything else.

because it allows you to position your pelvis.  That’s very important when you’ve got a back problem.  While you can position your pelvis somewhat with the second stretch, it’s much more difficult to keep the good lourdosis in your lower back, not to mention that some people’s back problems are made worse by the position of the non-stretching leg in the above exercise. -S-

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back on topic: what exactly *are* the best/most popular hangstring stretches?

I sit on the floor with one leg straight out in front and the other leg bent so the sole of the foot is resting along the inner thigh of the straight leg then, making sure my back is kept straight, lean towards the toe of the straight leg. This makes it quite easy to stretch the hamstring in a controlled way, without placing any body weight on it and without stressing anything else. — Regards, Barry Running & Stuff: http://homepages.go.com/~barry841

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The hamstring stretch I learned in physical therapy works pretty well.  Sit in a chair and extend one leg out straight, keeping the other leg bent.  Point the toe of the extended leg up.  Bend the whole trunk of your body over the extended leg, keeping your head up.  You will feel this stretch!  If you don’t, you aren’t doing it right. The keys to this stretch are keeping your foot pointed up (this increases the stretch) and keeping your head up…don’t try to touch your head to your knees or anything like that. Martha – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – McKenzie is the author of a book on back problems, and the standing toe-touch isn’t offered as a hamstring stretch but as one for the lower back. In that case I’d suggest doing them with slightly bent knees… the stretch to the back should be just as effective. not quite on topic: yes, i can attest to that. having had some pretty painful (lower) back problems over the years gives me a little insight into this. chiropractors never mentioned the toe touch as a stretch, just a friend…. and i tell you, ever since i started doing *at least* one 10 second holding stretch per evening, i’ve felt much improvement. and that’s with the knees slightly bent. back on topic: what exactly *are* the best/most popular hangstring stretches? thx, Cam

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I should clarify…sit on the *edge* of a chair and do the stretch. Martha – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The hamstring stretch I learned in physical therapy works pretty well.  Sit in a chair and extend one leg out straight, keeping the other leg bent.  Point the toe of the extended leg up.  Bend the whole trunk of your body over the extended leg, keeping your head up.  You will feel this stretch!  If you don’t, you aren’t doing it right. The keys to this stretch are keeping your foot pointed up (this increases the stretch) and keeping your head up…don’t try to touch your head to your knees or anything like that. Martha McKenzie is the author of a book on back problems, and the standing toe-touch isn’t offered as a hamstring stretch but as one for the lower back. In that case I’d suggest doing them with slightly bent knees… the stretch to the back should be just as effective. not quite on topic: yes, i can attest to that. having had some pretty painful (lower) back problems over the years gives me a little insight into this. chiropractors never mentioned the toe touch as a stretch, just a friend…. and i tell you, ever since i started doing *at least* one 10 second holding stretch per evening, i’ve felt much improvement. and that’s with the knees slightly bent. back on topic: what exactly *are* the best/most popular hangstring stretches? thx, Cam

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Ah, very good….. I’ve been doing that stretch since day one. I haven’t had any hamstring prob’s, but just wondered what sort of stretches others employed. Thanks…. Cam

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – back on topic: what exactly *are* the best/most popular hangstring stretches? I sit on the floor with one leg straight out in front and the other leg bent so the sole of the foot is resting along the inner thigh of the straight leg then, making sure my back is kept straight, lean towards the toe of the straight leg. This makes it quite easy to stretch the hamstring in a controlled way, without placing any body weight on it and without stressing anything else. — Regards, Barry Running & Stuff: http://homepages.go.com/~barry841

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Who on earth is still recommending toe-touches? They are potentially very bad for the knees and there are far safer ways to stretch the hamstrings. I’m not sure who ‘McKenzie’ is but Kurz recommends not doing toe-touches, and I’ll take his credentials over ‘McKenzie’ anyday. McKenzie is the author of a book on back problems, and the standing toe-touch isn’t offered as a hamstring stretch but as one for the lower back.

In that case I’d suggest doing them with slightly bent knees… the stretch to the back should be just as effective. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – -S- — Regards, Barry Running & Stuff: http://homepages.go.com/~barry841 I’ve generally done standing toe-touches (in the manner suggested by the McKenzie back book, running my hands down my calves so that my back is always supported and there’s no need to tighten my lower back muscles in a panic) with my feet about shoulder-width apart.  Today I tried the exercise with my feet closer together, and it felt better on several counts.  First, I didn’t feel the almost-hyper-extension in the back of my left knee I sometimes feel with my feet shoulder-width apart. Second, I felt a new stretch, in those muscles along the outsides of my thighs, muscles I’ve noticed getting tight lately and I wasn’t too sure how to stretch properly. So, is this a good thing I’ve discovered?  Should I vary the width of my feet to vary the stretch or is one stance or another generally recommended? Many thanks in advance. -S-

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–On Wednesday, November 08, 2000 9:17 AM -0500 "Wilson, Cam what exactly *are* the best/most popular hangstring stretches?

I don’t do this often enough, as my current low backache attests, but I like to sit on the floor with my legs out-stretched and reach for my toes. If you’re not flexible enough to hold onto your ankles or feet to hold the stretch, hook a rolled towel around your feet and hold onto the ends.  To vary the parts that get stretched, I like to hold my ankles and roll them in towards each other as I hold the stretch, and then out and away from each other. Anyone got any good glut stretches? The yoga stretch where you sit up and twist with one bent leg crossed over the other leg out stretched doesn’t do much for me.

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McKenzie is the author of a book on back problems, and the standing toe-touch isn’t offered as a hamstring stretch but as one for the lower back. In that case I’d suggest doing them with slightly bent knees… the stretch to the back should be just as effective.

not quite on topic: yes, i can attest to that. having had some pretty painful (lower) back problems over the years gives me a little insight into this. chiropractors never mentioned the toe touch as a stretch, just a friend…. and i tell you, ever since i started doing *at least* one 10 second holding stretch per evening, i’ve felt much improvement. and that’s with the knees slightly bent. back on topic: what exactly *are* the best/most popular hangstring stretches? thx, Cam

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I’ve generally done standing toe-touches (in the manner suggested by the McKenzie back book, running my hands down my calves so that my back is always supported and there’s no need to tighten my lower back muscles in a panic) with my feet about shoulder-width apart.  Today I tried the exercise with my feet closer together, and it felt better on several counts.  First, I didn’t feel the almost-hyper-extension in the back of my left knee I sometimes feel with my feet shoulder-width apart. Second, I felt a new stretch, in those muscles along the outsides of my thighs, muscles I’ve noticed getting tight lately and I wasn’t too sure how to stretch properly. So, is this a good thing I’ve discovered?  Should I vary the width of my feet to vary the stretch or is one stance or another generally recommended? Many thanks in advance. -S-

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Who on earth is still recommending toe-touches? They are potentially very bad for the knees and there are far safer ways to stretch the hamstrings. I’m not sure who ‘McKenzie’ is but Kurz recommends not doing toe-touches, and I’ll take his credentials over ‘McKenzie’ anyday.

McKenzie is the author of a book on back problems, and the standing toe-touch isn’t offered as a hamstring stretch but as one for the lower back. -S- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Regards, Barry Running & Stuff: http://homepages.go.com/~barry841 I’ve generally done standing toe-touches (in the manner suggested by the McKenzie back book, running my hands down my calves so that my back is always supported and there’s no need to tighten my lower back muscles in a panic) with my feet about shoulder-width apart.  Today I tried the exercise with my feet closer together, and it felt better on several counts.  First, I didn’t feel the almost-hyper-extension in the back of my left knee I sometimes feel with my feet shoulder-width apart. Second, I felt a new stretch, in those muscles along the outsides of my thighs, muscles I’ve noticed getting tight lately and I wasn’t too sure how to stretch properly. So, is this a good thing I’ve discovered?  Should I vary the width of my feet to vary the stretch or is one stance or another generally recommended? Many thanks in advance. -S-

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Who on earth is still recommending toe-touches? They are potentially very bad for the knees and there are far safer ways to stretch the hamstrings. I’m not sure who ‘McKenzie’ is but Kurz recommends not doing toe-touches, and I’ll take his credentials over ‘McKenzie’ anyday. — Regards, Barry Running & Stuff: http://homepages.go.com/~barry841

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve generally done standing toe-touches (in the manner suggested by the McKenzie back book, running my hands down my calves so that my back is always supported and there’s no need to tighten my lower back muscles in a panic) with my feet about shoulder-width apart.  Today I tried the exercise with my feet closer together, and it felt better on several counts.  First, I didn’t feel the almost-hyper-extension in the back of my left knee I sometimes feel with my feet shoulder-width apart. Second, I felt a new stretch, in those muscles along the outsides of my thighs, muscles I’ve noticed getting tight lately and I wasn’t too sure how to stretch properly. So, is this a good thing I’ve discovered?  Should I vary the width of my feet to vary the stretch or is one stance or another generally recommended? Many thanks in advance. -S-

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Hello all, It appears that certain Yoga Schools claim they are churches.  I can understand being a non-profit, but a church?  That is strange.  Also, I thought the New York City branch of the Integral Yoga Institute made several millions of dollars last year.  In fact, their building is worth at least a million.  I wonder why they didn’t report it? They certainly don’t look like they have their house in order with all the protests and media coverage they are getting – yoga devotee Integral Yoga Institute, Inc. 227 W 13th St, New York, NY 10011 This organization is not required to file an annual return with the IRS because its income is less than $25,000. EIN: 13-6213660 Ruling Year: 1988 Integral Yoga Institute, Inc. Rte 1 Box 172, Buckingham, VA 23921 This organization is not required to file an annual return with the IRS because it is a church. EIN: 52-1076671 Ruling Year:1984 Integral Yoga School, Inc. Rte 1 Box 172, Buckingham, VA 23921 This organization is not required to file an annual return with the IRS because its income is less than $25,000. EIN: 06-1004181 Ruling Year: 1984 Integral Yoga Institute of California, Inc. 770 Dolores St, San Francisco, CA 94110 This organization is not required to file an annual return with the IRS because it is a church. EIN: 94-1723484 Ruling Year: 1972 Integral Yoga Institute of New Jersey 21 03 Maple Ave, Fair Lawn, NJ 07410 Financial Info Assets: $ 265,381 Income: $ 144,710 This organization files an IRS Form 990 or 990 EZ EIN: 23-7179368 Ruling Year: 1974 I pulled this information off of: http://www.rickross.com/reference/yogaville/yogaville31.html It has quite an extensive archive of the Yogaville group. Before you buy.

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That’s really idiotic.  Defending sexual abuse at Yogaville with "other people do it, so what’s wrong with the Swami’s doing it too!" If you could defend Yogaville, I’d be very impressed, take a look at my posting after getting that flyer from the Integral Yoga Institute in New York. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wouldn’t bet on that too much.  Churches like to hoard artworks at the Vatican.  The number of case of priests committing sexual abuse is nauseating. Yet the churches pretentiously hide behind religious freedom umm no, a church doesn’t copywrite everything it has and commercialize itself and brainwash its members for sex. Not to mention, Yogaville and Integral Yoga claim they are not a religion, yet hide behind "freedom of religion" http://www.msnbc.com:80/news/323734.asp?cp1=1 http://www.rickross.com/groups/yogaville.html

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So wait, you’re saying that Yoga is a religious excercise and not merely a "relaxation technique" as it is touted? In that case, it’s just Westernized bullshit of Eastern religions. That applies to the established church as well you idiot.  where do you think its origins lie. oops to you. Before you buy.

Before you buy.

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I wouldn’t bet on that too much.  Churches like to hoard artworks at the Vatican.  The number of case of priests committing sexual abuse is nauseating. Yet the churches pretentiously hide behind religious freedom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – umm no, a church doesn’t copywrite everything it has and commercialize itself and brainwash its members for sex. Not to mention, Yogaville and Integral Yoga claim they are not a religion, yet hide behind "freedom of religion" http://www.msnbc.com:80/news/323734.asp?cp1=1 http://www.rickross.com/groups/yogaville.html So wait, you’re saying that Yoga is a religious excercise and not merely a "relaxation technique" as it is touted? In that case, it’s just Westernized bullshit of Eastern religions. That applies to the established church as well you idiot.  where do you think its origins lie. oops to you. Before you buy.

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I agreeImagine deprogrammers trying to help people leave Integral Yoga since the 1960’s and 70’s!!!

they would be committing illegal acts. They must have their show pretty well rehearsed by now.  I see a trend of luring young yoga females into group…

so you think you are the self-proclaimed protector of them. i suppose you want to kidnap them

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<< So wait, you’re saying that Yoga is a religious excercise and not merely a "relaxation technique" as it is touted?   But, of course All of Yoga (of course including the Hatha Yoga spiritual exercises) are part and parcel of the religion of Sanatan Dharma/Hinduism.

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umm no, a church doesn’t copywrite everything it has and commercialize itself and brainwash its members for sex. Not to mention, Yogaville and Integral Yoga claim they are not a religion, yet hide behind "freedom of religion" http://www.msnbc.com:80/news/323734.asp?cp1=1 http://www.rickross.com/groups/yogaville.html So wait, you’re saying that Yoga is a religious excercise and not merely a "relaxation technique" as it is touted? In that case, it’s just Westernized bullshit of Eastern religions. That applies to the established church as well you idiot.  where do you think its origins lie.

oops to you. Before you buy.

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So wait, you’re saying that Yoga is a religious excercise and not merely a "relaxation technique" as it is touted? In that case, it’s just Westernized bullshit of Eastern religions.

That applies to the established church as well you idiot.  where do you think its origins lie.

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Hello all, It appears that certain Yoga Schools claim they are churches.  I can understand being a non-profit, but a church?  That is strange

why.  political purposes there are advantages.  of course if you want tax exemptions, etc you will call yourself a church, just like people who go to steppled buildings and believe in dogmas such as heaven and hell think they belong to a church

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I agree…that so called Reverend Prem Anjali, also the Pyschologist of Yogaville sounds pretty scary on that tape.  Imagine deprogrammers trying to help people leave Integral Yoga since the 1960’s and 70’s!!! They must have their show pretty well rehearsed by now.  I see a trend of luring young yoga females into group… Find out more at: http://www.rickross.com/groups/yogaville.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all, It appears that certain Yoga Schools claim they are churches.  I can understand being a non-profit, but a church?  That is strange.  Also, I thought the New York City branch of the Integral Yoga Institute made several millions of dollars last year.  In fact, their building is worth at least a million.  I wonder why they didn’t report it? They certainly don’t look like they have their house in order with all the protests and media coverage they are getting Yoga is not protected, everybody can claim to be a Yogateacher or even a ‘church’… There are as many different yoga’s as there are people practicing it. Look for the original yoga. In the old scriptures there is no mention of religion or church…

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So wait, you’re saying that Yoga is a religious excercise and not merely a "relaxation technique" as it is touted? In that case, it’s just Westernized bullshit of Eastern religions. Then again, I heard Swami Satchidananda is the only Indian person in Yogaville so it doesn’t surprise me. goto: http://www.rickross.com/groups/yogaville.html to find our more how Integral Yoga claims to be a religion, although on their webpage they deny it. << It appears that certain Yoga Schools claim they are churches.  I can understand being a non-profit, but a church?   It seems that to the IRS "church" means any non-profit religious organization. This of course applies to the non-profit religious organizations of Hinduism

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A friend of mine is in the hospital right now, suffering from bipolar disorder. She doesn’t want to take drugs and I’m trying to find out for her what alternatives there are. Any herbal or other natural treatments out there? Thanks. Lisa Dear Lisa,   Of course everyone is different I am just saying what I do. I take 100ml of the antidepressant zoloft a day. It takes the edge off the mood swings…less irratable…less racing thoughts..less crying and raging…etc. it is good to have something that gives you a basis of stability…(that is what zoloft does for me) evens the playing field.    I believe because of this….I can remain off other drugs…. 1. you have to trust yourself….which is hard….but it is key 2. you have to listen to your body and mind….CLOSELY what are you thinking…what are you feeling…what does it mean 3. you have to know what are your triggers for mania and depression: stress, too much to do, noise, lack of sleep 4 you have to find alternatives to move you out of either extreme breathing….yoga….music….food….affirmations….staying in the now There are a lot of people who would rather not be so self obervant but if you want to try to live drug free with this disorder….this is what I had to do…. if you want more details….email me…. Christine Wrdmystris Recreate Yourself To Thine Ownself Be True

Dear Lisa, I can offer the names of a few books on holistic remedies. "Healing Depression" by Catherine Carrigan is an extensive exploration of holistic approaches to bipolar illness by someone who has been through it. "Miracles Do Happen" by C. Norman Shealy M.D. has a large chapter on his successes healing depressed patients using holistic approaches. "Anatomy of the Spirit" by Caroline Myss describes a more metaphysical approach to healing by a highly regarded medical intuitive and includes case examples of people with depression. In my opinion, self-awareness is the key to finding the right healing approach. I have an ongoing internal debate about holistic vs. pharmaceutical treatment for myself. For physical health I’ve found that pharmaceutical medicine has worked best for me for acute problems and that holistic approaches feel right for non-acute chronic problems. One of the things that has helped me the most with emotional problems is having people around who are supportive and non-judgemental. Thanks for supporting your friend in the ways she wants. Peace and Love, Moonear

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Lisa, I am sorry your friend is in the hospital.  She must be quite ill, and meds would probably be of great value to her. Lithium carbonate is a naturally occurring salt.  It is present in the soil and in water (mineral springs). Nature gave us the earth with so many useful minerals. I don’t consider lithium a drug. (Although even it I did think of it as drug, I would still take it, because it works.) Hope your friend get stable and happy. Smooth sailing, Cathy

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This a popular topic among new people in particular, unfortunately I think.  New bipolars, my self included are generally in denial that they have a lifelong, debilitating disease.  A disease the requires medication and therapy, and in my opinion cannot be treated w/ herbs alon

In the deepest part of my mania I listened to a voice I thought was god. The voice told me that time was at a stand still and human history couldn’t continue until I did this or that….and I did it…at no point I said no….luckily it was dumb stuff like scraping black stuff off my microwave and putting bleach in dark clothes.   But when I think back….if that voice would have said "kill your son….or murder your daughter….or cut your own throat…" I WOULD HAVE DONE IT. Needless to say this scares the shit out of me and I do what ever I can to prevent a manic relapse…(two years knock wood)      When I started taking my zoloft…I didn’t want it….I didn’t like the idea of "being drugged up" even though i was calmer and able to sleep (i have had sleep disturbances since i was 4….sleep walking sleep talking, night terrors, hallucianations.) the zoloft let me sleep without this for the first time in my life…. but still I didn’t want to be thought of as "the crazy person on drugs" So I stopped taking my zoloft. Because I thought I was just stressed out and thus hospitalized….I didn’t have MD. At first I couldn’t sleep, then I became senstive to noise…then agitated…then I was screaming at my kids….throwing plates and chasing them with a broom.  In 4 days I was out of control….finally my daughter said "mom     I have taken them plus the other stradegies I use to relieve stress and uncomplicate my life….because I love my children and I don’t want to hurt them….or kill them…. And I love myself and think it would be nice to stick around here for a long while.     If the "practical things I do…stopped working….I would be the first one knocking at my pdoc door…..and saying…"lets talk medicine" Christine Wrdmystris Recreate Yourself To Thine Ownself Be True

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Hi, just some food for thought. I take 50mg of Zoloft which helps a great deal. After being diagnosed, but before Zoloft (4 months) I started to take l-tyrosine, an amino acid.  That and watching diet,stress and exercise helped significantly– I felt happier and more balanced than in years.  Needless to say, after having a bad anxiety episode followed by feeling rotten and weepy, I told my doc that i wanted to try drug therapy.  The combination of the Z. and the tyrosine, plus really trying to minimize self-imposed chaos is helping me through. With good wishes, Holly

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Hi, just some food for thought. I take 50mg of Zoloft which helps a great deal. After being diagnosed, but before Zoloft (4 months) I started to take l-tyrosine, an amino acid.  That and watching diet,stress and exercise helped significantly– I felt happier and more balanced than in years.  Needless to say, after having a bad anxiety episode followed by feeling rotten and weepy, I told my doc that i wanted to try drug therapy.  The combination of the Z. and the tyrosine, plus really trying to minimize self-imposed chaos is helping me through. With good wishes, Holly

Hi, I am wondering if you, or anyone else reading this has tried an SSRI without the tyrosine and then with it, to find out if the antidepressant works better with the tyrosine. Just wondering, –Carroll

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A friend of mine is in the hospital right now, suffering from bipolar disorder. She doesn’t want to take drugs and I’m trying to find out for her what alternatives there are. Any herbal or other natural treatments out there? Thanks. Lisa

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A friend of mine is in the hospital right now, suffering from bipolar disorder. She doesn’t want to take drugs and I’m trying to find out for her what alternatives there are. Any herbal or other natural treatments out there? Thanks. Lisa

Dear Lisa,   Of course everyone is different I am just saying what I do. I take 100ml of the antidepressant zoloft a day. It takes the edge off the mood swings…less irratable…less racing thoughts..less crying and raging…etc. it is good to have something that gives you a basis of stability…(that is what zoloft does for me) evens the playing field.    I believe because of this….I can remain off other drugs…. 1. you have to trust yourself….which is hard….but it is key 2. you have to listen to your body and mind….CLOSELY what are you thinking…what are you feeling…what does it mean 3. you have to know what are your triggers for mania and depression: stress, too much to do, noise, lack of sleep 4 you have to find alternatives to move you out of either extreme breathing….yoga….music….food….affirmations….staying in the now There are a lot of people who would rather not be so self obervant but if you want to try to live drug free with this disorder….this is what I had to do…. if you want more details….email me…. Christine Wrdmystris Recreate Yourself To Thine Ownself Be True

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x-archive-no: yes i felt this way at the beginning… wasted a lot of time trying to get stabilized on SJW, when it was the wrong thing for me altogether. i finally gave in and am taking the drugs. finally starting to feel some relief. but, i hope to eventuallly incorporate a lot of the things that Wrdmystris mentions into my life… and maybe, just maybe, i will be able to live without the drugs. i don’t know. what i read here at the NG is that it is generally discouraged. but i am not opposed to alternatives, and hearing from folks that are using them. thing is, we have to be vigilant in discussing these things… there are many people (maybe myself included) that cannot live without the medications… it is a life or death issue. perhaps, since your friend is in the hospital, this is the case with her as well. my recommendation? for what it’s worth… get stabilized on some medication. this comes from someone who had a planned home birth, who hasn’t taken more than an occasional tylenol for many, many years, who has homeopathic remedies, teas and all sorts of herbal remedies at home. i use them all the time for the kids and myself, they are very effective. but i found *none of them* to be effective in the treatment of bipolar, for myself. my naturopath recommended lithium. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A friend of mine is in the hospital right now, suffering from bipolar disorder. She doesn’t want to take drugs and I’m trying to find out for her what alternatives there are. Any herbal or other natural treatments out there? Thanks. Lisa

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: You mean you expect this guy to apologise to you? Read the message, he already : did. Yes, I would be more than willing to study with these people. No wonder there are so many abusive yoga teachers in teh wrold. People do not care about non-harming in words – the first yogic principle. Whoever posted this, I admire your courage and I hope that others will one day discourage violent speach by yoga instructors rather than encourage it. — http://www.halcyon.com/anon: Fallen Guru Homepage     Steven Lightfoot has threatened to falsify E-mails and       subsequently misquote one of our members.  Foot’s threatening E-mails available upon request. Electronic PGP signature on   order to prevent future forgeries by Usenet kooks.            

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Message left to a customer from Richard Dizon: Well, Im sorry that I cant get a hold of you in person because I would really rather have this out in person.  Anyway, this is Richard Dizon and I’ve been out of the country for two and one half weeks and my mother has al so passed away at the time and there’s just a lot of stuff been going on and I apologize for not getting back to you but I was out of the country and I was dealing with a lot of family issues,.  And I really do not apprec iate all of the phone calls that I’ve received from you, especially the last one [in which a customer stated that it was unprofessional to not answer phone calls]. As far as my professional conduct goes, I dont think you are in any place whatsoever to judge that at this piont. You know nothing about what is going on in my life and I would appreciate it if you would never call my off ice.[does this statement sound professional?] You are of this point, after that last phone call, NOT welcome at any of my workshops and I would prefer to never have any contact or any type of interactions you whatsoever. If that is not perfectly clear, that is too bad. Richard was given the opportunity to apologize for this behavior because it is rough to lose your relative. After one year, we are still waiting. Originally, I had bought a video tape from Richard and Theresa. When I found out that I was no longer welcome to their classes, I asked for my money back for the video. Rather than refund my money, they threatened to have me arrested. I then wrote the attorney general to get my money back. Rather than return my money, they had their incompetent attorney write a scathing letter calling me "crazy" and unworthy of consideration. Sound like Yoga to you? Do you want to study with these people?? Your e-mail reply to this message WILL be *automatically* ANONYMIZED.

You mean you expect this guy to apologise to you? Read the message, he already did. Yes, I would be more than willing to study with these people.

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Message left to a customer from Richard Dizon: Well, Im sorry that I cant get a hold of you in person because I would really rather have this out in person.  Anyway, this is Richard Dizon and I’ve been out of the country for two and one half weeks and my mother has al so passed away at the time and there’s just a lot of stuff been going on and I apologize for not getting back to you but I was out of the country and I was dealing with a lot of family issues,.  And I really do not apprec iate all of the phone calls that I’ve received from you, especially the last one [in which a customer stated that it was unprofessional to not answer phone calls]. As far as my professional conduct goes, I dont think you are in any place whatsoever to judge that at this piont. You know nothing about what is going on in my life and I would appreciate it if you would never call my off ice.[does this statement sound professional?] You are of this point, after that last phone call, NOT welcome at any of my workshops and I would prefer to never have any contact or any type of interactions you whatsoever. If that is not perfectly clear, that is too bad. Richard was given the opportunity to apologize for this behavior because it is rough to lose your relative. After one year, we are still waiting. Originally, I had bought a video tape from Richard and Theresa. When I found out that I was no longer welcome to their classes, I asked for my money back for the video. Rather than refund my money, they threatened to have  me arrested. I then wrote the attorney general to get my money back. Rather than return my money, they had their incompetent attorney write a scathing letter calling me "crazy" and unworthy of consideration. Sound like Yoga to you? Do you want to study with these people?? Your e-mail reply to this message WILL be *automatically* ANONYMIZED.

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I’ve studied Yoga for 16 years.  I wrote a book on meditation and how to impower yourself through this practice.  Write for a free book and I’ll e-mail you to you free plus meeting times.

Does yoga help improve your height?

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You asked "does yoga improve your height?" Well, yes and no, I think. I hit 5′2" at the age of 12 and have never budged–not even 1/8". Until now. I’ve been practicing yoga (ashtanga) for a year and a half and when I was with my family over the holidays I noticed I wasn’t the shortest anymore. All the women in my family are short (5′2" to 5"5") but now I’m somewhere in with the 5′2-1/2" to 5′3" ones! I don’t think I’ve actually grown, per se, but rather that my posture is greatly improved and my spine is more correctly aligned. Some of this is the purely physical response to my yoga practice and some is a result of an improved mental/spiritual way of being which is reflected in the way I carry myself. I would never recommend doing yoga just to "grow" because that would be focusing on the wrong thing–end point vs. the process–but it sure is a nice benefit!

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